Bulls trade James Johnson to Toronto for Miami's 1st

Per the Bulls official press release:

The
Chicago Bulls announced today that the team has assigned the contract
of forward James Johnson to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Miami's
2011 regular first-round draft choice held by Toronto. 

Johnson
(6-9, 245) appeared in 13 games this season and averaged 3.2 ppg, 1.8
rpg,1.1 apg, 9.5 mpg, and shot .415 from the field.  Last season, during
his rookie campaign, Johnson played in 65 games (11 starts) and posted
averages of 3.9 ppg and 2.0 rpg in 11.6 mpg and shot .452 from the floor
and .729 from the free throw line.   

Johnson played two seasons at Wake Forest and was selected by Chicago in the first round (16th overall) of the 2009 NBA Draft.

First, great trade for Chicago.  They clearly had no room to play Johnson and weren't doing so.   Getting a 1st round pick for him is nice value given the relatively little he's shown in the league, lack of room to give him minutes to develop. 

Besides getting a 1st rounder, they also get some cap room back to help facilitate another trade.   I believe the Bulls are now around 3 million under the cap, so they can absorb a larger salary back in trade if they make a follow up move.

This trade also opens up the possibility of trading for Courtney Lee, Aaron Afflalo, or Anthony Parker by flipping the pick or including it with the Bulls own 2011 pick.   At this point, a follow up trade seems more likely to me than before this deal as the Bulls don't really have a need of two 1sts.   The Bulls can now absorb any of these players without sending back any other players.

If they hang on to both picks, look for the Bulls to potentially flip them on draft night or use them to move up higher in the draft.  

Finally, as for James Johnson, I still think he can become a quality player in the league, not a star, but someone who can help a team and become a rotation player.  It wasn't going to happen here, and I wish him the best in Toronto. 

Thanks for the couple times you helped lead the Bulls from behind JJ, we appreciate it.

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  • NOTE:

    I got the candles.

    7:30 pm vigil out in front of Doug's house.

    lol.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    No vigil, I'm just changing the blog to Raptors Confidential.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    : )

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If that is what it takes to make Mappy disappear, I'm in.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    LOL : ) I had a hunch this would be the first comment.

  • I agree. I think a trade is coming now that they have two 1st Round Picks.

    * If it was a 2nd Rnd pick, they might be targeting a certain player in the draft.

  • I am excited to see what he does in toronto with playing time!!

    That was my feeling, a followup trade is coming... because why now?

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    If a follow up trade is coming, I say bring it on, the Knicks wont be contenders but can't be overlooked. Bulls need that scoring 2 guard.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Trade both firsts to the Knicks for Fields

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I believe James Johnson is Dorell Wright 2.0. Once he left MIA he started producing quality numbers starting for the Warriors. Bayless, Derozan, JJ, Ed Davis, and Bargnani is a pretty athletic bunch. I also believe that something may be in the works as well. I read earlier that every Cavs player is available for draft picks, so I wouldn't be surprised if Anthony Parker was on his way to CHI.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    I too heard this

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    If we can't find a good trade for a SG who is a significant improvement over what we have, what other trades MIGHT we make? We need a 3-shooter, MAYBE another back-up PG / ball handler (what if CJ got hurt, let alone DR...) Any suggestions? Sure, SG comes first...

  • In reply to petert23:

    daniel gibson, ramon sessions, jarret jack , TJ ford. they better back-up PG than watson.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Haha good luck with Jack he just got a Dui.. Id take sessions or Ford though

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    ford is still making $8million or so.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Why waste any first round picks on a 35 year old guy who won't be hear next season.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Don't count Mayo out of the picture as a target either, Bogans is now a matching salary for Mayo with the cap space.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I just really like Afflalo.. He is good to go now with no attitude problems and might be cheaper in the future

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    So do I.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    i thought he was dealt for a 2nd round draft pick as Happy reported. But it's for a first round, not bad most of all if it's in order of getting a SG before the 24th

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Likes shakes said Miamis 1st rounder and Torontos 2nd aren't much of a difference

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    but better than JJ given the fact denver is ready to give up players for draft picks !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    How about Anthony Parker and Boobie Gibson for CJ Watson and 2 1st rd picks?

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Take out CJ insert Bogans and you got a deal...

    I think CJ has settled into his role and has done a good job for us

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    who's boobie gibson ? daniel gisbon ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ya

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    then i would do the deal. He's better than watson. He can play 1 and 2.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    You really running Gibson as your back up PG?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    why not ?

  • In reply to deewaves:

    This is why... ==> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvpte42o8KI

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    kevin durant had less point than him on that contest. so is KD a bad player ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    We already have him on the team in the form of C.J. Watson. Basically a 6'2" shooting guard forced to play the point. He adds nothing we need. We need size at the 2 guard to defend and hit open shots. Gibson can hit some 3's, but is inconsistent with his overall shot hitting only 40%. He's averaging 30 minutes a game and only 3 assists while turning the ball over 1.5 times. Not great efficiency for a PG. Than what do you do about Watson? Any trade for Gibson on this team should immediately be followed with a firing of whoever came up with that idea. Again the need is a 2 guard with size who can defend the perimeter with all the great 2 guards we have to face, and hit the open Jay. Not an undersized combo guard who can't defend the bigger, stronger, better 2 guards in the league.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    That pick is likely to be 28-29

    Order is based completely on the regular season record, nothing to do with the finals, unlike the NFL. For example last year, Boston earned the 19 pick (in a 4 way tie with 50 wins, they still got the best 1st rounder) and The Lakers earned the 28th, while Cleveland held the 30th with the best reg season record.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    he can jack us out of just about any game, the guy would never see a minute of playing time under Thibs.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I hadn't thought about this until now, but the Raptors also probably did this deal seeing that Linas Kleiza won't be back until a year or so with that surgery he just had.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Parker is 35 and Watson is better than Gibson, at least in Thibs eyes, 2 firsts and Watson for those guys is crap.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    As do I. The guy is shooting about 45% on 3 balls, and plays good D.

    3 # 1's might be a lot, but what if we exclude the Charlotte pick & throw in a decent 2nd('11 Miami,'11 Chicago,'13 Chicago,'11 2nd rounder, best of Utah/Phoenix)? I'd agree to that, but then would Denver? That's a lot of picks, only 2 originating from us though.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    it's somewhat disconcerting that the Bulls have now gotten nothing but cap room & a low low 2011 1st rounder from the entire 2009 & 2010 drafts

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And Taj.

  • In reply to walrus:

    oh yeah, how could I forget that, my mistake. But even then, that was more of an extension for the '06 draft and the Thabo Sefalosha pick.

  • In reply to walrus:

    According to Mark Stein, the Bulls are pushing for OJ Mayo.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Just saw that too:

    @STEIN_LINE_HQ Word is Bulls have NOT abandoned hope of striking deal for OJ Mayo and now have one more first-round pick to peddle after James Johnson deal

    I'm no good at the salary matching stuff. What would they have to put together?

  • In reply to brad73:

    Looks like Mayo talk is legit, but not close yet.

    Per KC Johnson...

    League exec who has spoken with Bulls says Bulls are still talking to Grizz regarding Mayo. Says isn't close but still talking.

  • In reply to brad73:

    There's a few combinations that work. Off the top of my head these should all be valid:

    Any one of Bogans/Asik/Thomas/Watson/Brewer/Korver. Or any two of Scal/Gibson/Bogans/Asik/Thomas/Watson. Or any three of Scal/Gibson/Bogans/Asik/Thomas.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    My dream scenario here would be to put a package together, purely draft picks, that a team like Detroit, Washington, LA Clippers, or New Jersey couldn't refuse. Somewhere in the 5-8 range, where maybe they could add a young prototypical wing in Harrison Barnes. His stock fell a little after failing to establish himself early on during this his freashman season for north Carolina. Trade up to get Derrick a dynamic sidekick, a la Scottie Pippen in the '87 draft.

    Its difficult to move up into the top 10, but how about 4 # 1's ('11 Miami, '11 Chicago, '13 Chicago, + Charlotte 1st) & several #2's?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't really see why any team would do that. One good pick is usually better than a lot of bad picks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    that's why I'm dreaming ;)

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    and they could do it, consolidating their picks & polling them over to cash them in on one good player, but it would take a couple of years, and that Charlotte pick would have to clearly look like a real winner.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I don't think the Bobcats pick has enough value to make it happen. Pretty high risk it turns out to be a middle of the road pick.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think it will be high value in 2 years. Its not worth much right now, but its kind of like a stock. It will be worth a lot more in 2 years

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    You are mostly correct, but this draft is supposed to suck, so it only takes one team that doesn't want to be in this draft. Still not throwing away that Charlotte pick this easily.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    MON,

    Right.

    via Marc Stein Twitter... Word is Bulls have NOT abandoned hope of striking deal for OJ Mayo and now have one more first-round pick to peddle after James Johnson deal.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I really would like to see OJ Mayo on the Bulls, but would Memphis really accept Bogans, 2 1st rd picks, and possibly the CHA pick?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Maybe Watson? He could give them someone to be a scorer off the bench to replace Mayo. Bulls would need to replace backup PG though...

  • In reply to walrus:

    Exciting times at Bulls Confidential...haha.

    #TRADE SEASON.

  • In reply to walrus:

    maybe that's why the Bulls were working out 4 D-Leaguers, 3 of which can play the point?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    It fits right along with my conspiracy theory!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Watson isn't great but he's become a pretty steady backup to Rose, replacing him with a D-League player is a net downgrade to the team this year even if we get Mayo. It might still be worth it going forward to take a slight hit this year, but I really don't like the idea much.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    How much is Rose going to be sitting in the playoffs anyways though?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Probably 8 minutes a night (using Rondo's numbers from last year as a base). But those 8 minutes are pretty critical in the playoffs, making a run when Nash sat has always been a huge step to beating the Suns for example.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I would say closer to 6, all in the 1st half. Don't get me wrong, I am one of the people that like Watson, but Watson for 6 minutes when Rose sits + whatever time with him, or 24+ minutes with Mayo?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    If we're getting the Mayo from this year with the Griz, Watson. I don't expect Mayo to give the Bulls much until Thibs has had an off-season with him to hopefully screw his head on straight.

    Anyway if a useful player is going out for Mayo it's almost certainly going to be Taj not Watson I'd think.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Perhaps rejoining Gibson could have a stabilizing effect.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    All things being equal, would we rather get Mayo or Afflalo?

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I think Afflalo just fits in and helps straight away. Mayo has more "potential" and a lot of people seem to think maybe he just needs a change of scenery to reach it, but I'm skeptical.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I think reuniting with Gibson could have a positive effect on Mayo. He also may have more to prove.
    But I agree Afflalo is the safer move.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    1. Afflalo
    2. Mayo
    3. Lee

    I'd be happy with any of these three, but Afflalo would be perfect.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Judging by this article, http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Arron-Afflalo-is-an-ASSASSIN-?urn=nba-320008 , Afflalo. But his price tag is likely to be to high. They may want a Taj Gibson for him

  • In reply to claytonabigsby:

    What is the rumored price tag of Lee?

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Rumored that Rockets have consistently been asking for Omer Asik for Courtney Lee. Not sure I am willing to sacrifice our depth again for a shooting guard. Can't teach anyone into becoming a 7 footer ;)

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Hmmm ... I'll say at this point Afflalo would be the better player. But give Mayo an offseason with Thibs and Mayo would certainly be the better player ... ( don't forget he was averaging approx 17 points a night the previous years).

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Personally, I do think the J.J. trade for the 1st rounder could very well be a precursor for another move. I hope/expect the Bulls to make some sort of move. Does that mean they're going to do so? Nope.

    Sam Smith has postulated that perhaps the cleared money from J.J. could make room for a player on a buyout which can happen up to March 1st I think he said. He was wondering about Tayshaun Prince thinking he could play/defend some at SG??

    Beyond that, for me, if they want to make a run then they at minimum need one more three point shooter off the bench. I keep hearing Parker presented as the replacement for Bogans. I don't view him that way at all. On nights when Bogans is not shooting well you go to Parker. You need a spark/offense is stagnant, bring in Parker. In the playoffs you need that guy off the bench who shoots 38-40% from three when the team/offense is struggling. Parker would be our Eddie House when he was with the Celtics. A sparkplug. I will say the only thing left that I don't like about Bogans is that he does seem to pout/give grimacing looks when he's taken out of games. That I do not like. He needs to be a team player all the way, and not display that attitude. Though I do think he roots for the other players overall.

    Beyond Parker/getting that sparkplug instant offense/three shooter for the playoffs which we do need to make a run, what you've got Afflalo, J.R. Smith, and O.J. Mayo. Personally, I am lost picking someone merely from their stats. I like to see the personality as far as maturity, competitiveness, reliability. I have seen little of Mayo, and virtually nothing of Afflalo. I imagine Aflalo has a clean slate/good attitude rep? I think I've heard he's a solid defedner? We know Mayo has been problematic, but is he really a lost cause or partly frustrated after that very promising season.

    O.J. does have the high pedigree/draft, and has had one very good starter season(17ppg with .458 FG's and .380 from three). Ball stopper or not that's a quality line. But his trips to the line at three FTA's per game shows he doesn't like to go to the basket.
    Aaron's numbers ppg are ok, FG% is awesome, and his threes the same.

    So if available do we give up Taj or Omer to get O.J. or Aaron? Or do we wait until this summer so we don't have to part with either of them? If the Bulls just pick up the three shooter they need in Parker I'll be satisfied. If they make no moves I think it will haunt them in the playoffs when Bogans has his cold stretches and Korver likewise has night's where his shot/offense dissapears. I really hope they at min. get Parker. And if they do get Aaron or O.J. would you rather lose Taj or Omer? Thursday is just around the corner.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I don't believe that Gibson or Asik are being traded. Our bench is one of the Bulls strongest assets. These two guys are key Especially against the Heat and now Knicks, our depth is vital Plus both players are exceptional for the money.

    If we get a 2 and have to trade a player, it has to be a guard. There's not enough minutes otherwise. In the playloffs we aren't going to get or need 6 guards ( if you count Korver as a
    sometimes 2).
    Bottom line, Taj and Omar aren't going anywhere right now.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Captain Kirk was a DNP today. Could we see a return to the Bulls? Check out this highlight of The Captain Crossing over J.J. Reddick.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nba/Standout_Plays/24225053

    This is the worst defense I've ever seen on the slowest cross over ever. Sports Center Not Top 10.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Kirk can't come back here yet. Has to be a year

    Rumors have a lot of teams interested in him. Most notably Hawks and Lakers.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Nba rules say he can't I think hes going to atl

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Nba rules say he can't I think hes going to atl

  • In reply to kbar17:

    There is a rule that states players like Kirk can't return to the team that traded him until 1 year has passed. He can't come here til June. Atlanta has shown interest as well as LA

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Sorry, should have made it clear I was kidding. I love Kirk as a back-up PG. I can't stand him as a starting SG. I do think there is truth to the Hawks rumors. Kirk is a huge upgrade over Bibby.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I'm not! Bring him back in 2012! He would be perfect as his true position, combo guard, for this current team.

    But your right, jokes don't translate so well here

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Hard to say bring him back in 2012, a lot can happen between now and then. On a cheap deal as a vet backup point guard I'd take him though, assuming the position isn't filled in the mean time.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    it probably will be filled. I don't see it as realistic at all, but at some point, I would wager than Reinsdorf will bring him back. Maybe towards the end of his career, or after his next paycheck

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    As I mentioned weeks ago, JJ

  • In reply to Edward:

    Exactly

  • In reply to Edward:

    Wouldn't surprise me at all if they had this deal with the Raptors on the table a long time ago and both sides were just waiting to see if they could do better elsewhere. Raptor fans have been talking about a trade for JJ on the basis that Colangelo liked him at draft time for weeks, the rumour had to have started somewhere.

  • In reply to Edward:

    As always spot on, especially on front court depth in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Spot on as usual, especially on front court depth in the playoffs.

    The Bulls should not and will not trade Asik or Gibson for a shooting guard who isn't allstar caliber.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I'd rather lose Omer and get Afflalo. Unfortunately, I don't think Denver wants to trade Aaron. I'd consider a couple of picks and Omer for Mayo, too. Afflalo is just the safer of the two. Mayo has more upside, but the Bulls never do well with upside.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Plus, Mayo could also run point at times

  • In reply to calle3:

    Please no, just because a guy is kind of on the short end of the shooting guard spectrum does not make them able to run the point.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Have you seen Mayo play? He can run point for a couple of min when Rose rests...

  • In reply to calle3:

    There's a difference between being able to dribble the ball over the half court line and running the point. There's a reason the Griz gave up on trying to turn him into a combo guard.

  • In reply to calle3:

    I think he actually tried to play PG in the pre-season but didn't do very well. Hollinger suggested he could play backup PG but then hedged and said maybe the Bulls could ask for Vazquez too -- not sure he'd be enough either. I'd rather have a veteran.

  • In reply to walrus:

    I think the Bulls might go after someone else if they get Mayo and trade Watson+ picks for him..
    There are plenty of backup PGs who can be got for a second round pick if the Bulls can absorb a small salary(somebody like Earl Watson)

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If we can get Earl Watson for a second as part of the deal I'm down with trading CJ Watson. Not sure Utah would do it but if they would then great.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Bulls aren't getting anyone they're gonna screw it up AGAIN

  • In reply to calle3:

    Getting a first round pick and freeing up another $1.7 mil is hardly screwing up.
    No matter what they do from here.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Agreed that was a nice move, but if they plan on making a run they need to at min. get one more three point shooter as in Parker IMO. Korver and certainly Bogans have their off nights, and if we don't have at least one shooter off the bench it will come back to haunt us in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Denver really struggling without Melo today. They're only up by 26 after 3 quarters.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Now that you're John. Can I be Mitch?
    Ha :-)

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Go ahead :) I think it'd be funny if you did, it'd confuse the heck out of some people! I'm actually going to be starting a Cubs blog on here tomorrow, so I just decided to use my name -- especially when Mitchell Wiggins has nothing to do with baseball!

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Do you guys think our 2 late 1's would be a good deal to land Courtney Lee? I have a feeling the Bulls really want him

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'd do it for two late first rounders, not sure that's what Houston wants though.

  • In reply to walrus:

    I would think they would want more, but maybe closer to the deadline they ease up on their demands?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I hope so. Lee's a nice fit, not the best guy you could get but the Bulls obviously see something in him they really like. Part of it is he's just a hard nosed defender like Bogans but with better quickness, athleticism, and a better offensive game.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Denver scores 120 ...
    Six guys in double digits ...
    Five over 15 ...
    Three over 20 ...

    And I'm supposed to think that Melo was carrying that team?
    Looks to me like he was holding them back.
    Add in their new scoring and big man depth and they don't look like such a bad team ... now with picks and cap room.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Doug,

    By the way, I didn't know you were a limo driver too. Busy man.

    http://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/40181865688207360

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I can't believe I actually laughed at a Mr. Happy joke. That was funny.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Doubt it would be enough. I'd be very pleased if it was.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'm not super high on Lee but two late firsts is an OK price for him. Houston has half their team up for sale right now, I think they're just seeing which players they'll get the best deals on, so if a trade goes down I'd expect it'll be a last minute one.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ChiRy,

    Bad idea, all around. CLee is on par w/ Brewer & Korver.

    He's not worth 2 1st Round picks...PASS.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    He's not as good a shooter as Korver, but as an all around player he is better than both Brewer & Korver

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Lee could make Korver or Brewer expendable next year. I prefer players that can contribute on both sides of the ball.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    He is a poor mans combination of Korver and Brewer but too short to start at shooting guard.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I agree with MrHappy, is the world going to end? Lee is only on par with Brewer/Korver, and he probably isn't worth even two late firsts.

    That said, picks have to be used, if they're not used by the deadline they'll probably have to be used to draft players who probably aren't very good and can't help us right away, so why not use them to get someone we know is at least decent and can contribute right away?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    It seems to me that Lee and Afflalo are pretty close. Afflalo's only real advantage is in TS%. They are both great defenders, they both shoot the 3 well, both PERs are around 13 -- and Lee actually scores more per 36 minutes. Unless you think Afflalo can really sustain a .631 TS%, it's hard to justify paying a lot more for Afflalo then Lee. All things being equal, you take Afflalo -- but if you can get Lee and keep Gibson or Asik (something you likely couldn't do if you trade for Afflalo), it might be a better situation for the Bulls all around.

  • In reply to walrus:

    + 100%

  • In reply to walrus:

    Afflalo's numbers this year are as a starter playing twice the minutes that Lee is playing, I think that counts for something. Plus Lee has been thrown in as a filler in a couple of trades and is probably available yet again (we're talking about him like he is aren't we?) which makes you wonder why teams don't value him much.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Afflalo and Mayo are intriguing. I have a feeling something's in the works. That said I'm still pretty pleased with the team as it is, both today and for next year. We shall see...

    p.s. thank G-d we're done with Melo must come to Chicago rants.

  • In reply to walrus:

    The arrow on Afflalo appears to being pointing up, Lee is at best sideways and maybe even down since his rookie year.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Ha! I can't believe you agree with Mr. Happy on anything.

    I would rank Lee higher than Korver and Brewer because Thibs would rank him higher. Coach hasn't shown a lot of faith in Brewer or Korver, thus the Bogans issues.

    JJ just got shipped out because Thibs had no use for him. The Bulls are courting Lee because Thibs wants him. If Lee benches Bogans he becomes more valuable than Brewer or Korver. Let's face it, they had there chance and Thibs' decision to limit their minutes and still seek a starting SG speaks volumes.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Neither Brewer or Korver are legitimate starters, they are role players. While Lee has started some, he can't seem to hold onto his starting role.

    Replacing Bogans with Lee(or just about anybody)might be worth 2 firsts even if Lee himself isn't.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Lets try to pry Dominique Jones from Dallas, he was a 20 something pick that they bought for $3million.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I sincerely hope people aren't serious about trading the Charlotte pick away that easily for someone like Afflalo or Mayo. Let's trade away some of our lesser pick (Bulls, Raptors 1st) packaged with one of our guards if anything. I think people are undervaluing what could turn out to be an extremely excellent pick. Charlotte is trending downward and looking to shop their good players (Wallace, Jackson). That being said, I think the pricetag for Mayo and or Afflalo is too high at this point for the Bulls to get. I love the idea of Rip Hamilton on March first, or what is my crazy idea, a couple of picks for Michael Redd. I think Redd could contribute immediately, looks like he might finally be healthy and is in the last year of his contract.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    The Charlotte pick doesn't become good until 2016, I certainly hope the Bulls are considering dealing it for help now in the right deal rather than clinging to it in the hope of getting a player who wont be on the team for 5 years.

    I'd love to keep it, it wouldn't be the first asset I'd put on the table, but it's certainly in play.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree with Shakes. Plus, I fear any plan that starts with A couple of picks for Michael Redd. He's done.You don't come back from ACL and MCL injuries at his age.

    I don't believe Hamilton will be bought out this year. Too much money and one year too many on that contract. Hamilton would lose a lot of money in a buyout. He would be a great option if available after a buyout. I think that's more of a plan B scenario if the trade deadline falls flat.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Your are right, no way in hell(or Detroit for that matter)that he gets bought out this year, unless he gives up half his money.

    Not very excited about him joining the Bulls anyway.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Why not make another trade with Toronto, DeMar DeRozan anyone.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I'm willing to bet the asking price is Derrick Rose if you call them up about DeRozan. He's their only decent young piece.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Why wouldn't they take 2 first rounders for a guy who can't start or get minutes for them and has been played for 3 teams in 3 years.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Can someone please explain to me why James Harden backs up Thabo at SG in OKC? I can't believe we ever had him starting for us. I think that's worse than Bogans starting over Brewer / Korver.

    Good call on Murphy to the Knicks, Shakes. Miami would also hurt.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Because with Westbrook/Durant/Green in the starting lineup there's no shots for Harden. They'd rather start their best wing defender and get Harden more time with the second unit. It's like how the Spurs used to start Bruce Bowen even though they had Manu on the bench.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    You explained why the Thunder start Thabo and why Durant's shooting percentages have crashed to hell at the same time. If you had Westbrook, Green, and Thabo on the court... the 3 point line might as well be the half court line. That is an awful shooting starting line-up. At least Bowen could shoot.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Durant's shooting percentage is the same, his three point shooting has come down, but I doubt that's Thabo. Two years ago Durant still didn't have other three point shooters (other than Green) and he shot over 40%.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    ding ding ding, we have a winner!

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Not as bad as taking Thabeet at #2. How does the Memphis GM still have a job?

  • In reply to walrus:

    Afflalo with 18/4/4 with half a quarter to play

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    21/5/5 final numbers, w/ 7/12 shooting, 3/7 from 3

  • In reply to walrus:

    And that's without their new guys against a team they're competing with in the playoff race (minus Gay though).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    It'll be interesting to see how well they replace his scoring. It obviously means a lot more shots for everyone else. There are a lot of candidates to fill that offensive void, obviously none will do it as well as Anthony but I'm wondering if the loss will be as bad as some seem to think.

  • In reply to walrus:

    So long as they play as a team and spread the shots around I think they'll be fine. It's not as if Denver were like the 76ers with Iverson where it was one offensive player and a bunch of defensive role players, they're a pretty good bunch of offensive players who if asked to do just a little more can probably do it.

    On the other hand if they decide they want to force feed one guy and see if he can be the man (Gallinari?) I don't think it ends well.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Is anyone else getting a sinking feeling that nothing will get done with Mayo? After waiting in vain for JJ Redick, Rudy Fernandez, and Courtney Lee to happen, maybe I'm a little jaded.

  • In reply to walrus:

    There are dozens of trade talks reported for every one that gets completed, so I don't really get my hopes up for anything.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I would think that there was some specific deal that the Bulls were working on where they were told we aren't interested in Johnson come back when you have another 1st round pick.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Or they just wanted to get something for JJ. I don't think this means there's already some deal they have in mind.

  • In reply to walrus:

    It's pretty rare that rumors are reliable, especially when the rumors are born out of things that sound like they make sense rather than reported talks.

    All that's been reported about Lee and Mayo is that the teams haven't agreed on value, so it shouldn't be surprising that nothing has gotten done.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Doug,

    Where is Tornoto located? I have never been there...haha.

    * Be sure and proof read your HEADLINES.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I was too busy crying about James Johnson's departure to proof read.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    SIDE NOTE:

    Melo wanted to come to Chicago.

    http://twitter.com/christomasson/statuses/40224032653721600

    * The Bulls' management chose to stick with Deng, etc.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    How can you say Bulls stuck with Deng...It has to do more with Noah than Deng from what has been reported. And it looks like just Noah and Deng would not have been enough..They wanted 3 starters..

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    LOL, let it go Mr. Happy, let it go!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    BFD, Noah didn't want to go to Denver, and nobody in Chicago wanted him to go either.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Yea ... I read that article as well. I believe O.J. Mayo would make us become a dynasty in the future. Think about it ... you have Rose and Mayo in the back court ( both who were 1 and 2 in the voting for rookie of the year when they both came in the league) ... you have Deng playing the three, Boozer playing the 4 and Noah playing the 5... nobody would be even close in the east to having a complete team like that.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    You forgot Gibson. He was a 2009 pick and a steal picked behind JJ. And don't forget many of us were saying the same things about Omer Asik as you and others may be saying now about Kevin Seraphin. WHO? WHY? In 2 or 3 years this may look like a genius move. And they may get a player who can help them win the East with this recent move. I don't find it as disconcerting as you do.

  • In reply to jackhammerebm:

    Besides Rose, Asik, & Gibson though, what have they done in the draft over the last 6 years? That's what's disconcerting to me. Not really adding any young assets, not getting much from the ones we had and lost, and veterans might be more hard to come by in the near future with salary cap restrictions.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Basically in the NBA if you don't have a top 5 pick or at the least a top ten where a guy might get overlooked you're getting a role player in the draft.I think they got a good one in Gibson and can flip the pick i JJ as a sweetner for a much needed big 21 guard who can shoot and defend. If they keep getting scrubs in the daft it usually means they're good because they're getting low picks. Its probably why they picked Seraphine who can develop overseas instead of getting a kid who they couldn't develop and isn't good enough to contribute now. Lie JJ. They have a very young nucleus now anyway, so we're pretty set for the recent future. Assuming D.Rose gets signed when his deal is up.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    They also drafted Noah in the last 6 years. Deng too if you want to count the fact they gave up the pick from 6 years ago to get him 7 years ago.

    As far as the last couple of drafts I'd say getting Gibson, Brewer and Watson (since that's what the cap space generated by the pick used to dump Kirk turned into) is a pretty decent haul. If we can turn the cap space + pick from JJ into an asset we've done really well.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    NOAH!?!?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    C'mon, How can we forgot about last summer. They had to dump everyone and everything to get cap space for LBJ and Wade. Unfortunately, that set us back a little bit. They were trying to play both sides of the coin last year...dump contracts/picks for cap space while winning to attract LBJ/Wade. Whatever anyone says, I believe LBJ didn't think the Bulls core was good enough for him compared to what happened in Miami to win championships. Rose came a year too late for last year. If the whole Summer 2010 thing had happened in Summer 2011 with the season Rose and Noah are having...it probably would have been a different story

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't believe that for a moment. I think Bosh + Wade + LBJ playing together was sealed during the Olympics.

    If Rose had walked on water and healed the infirm court side last year, I don't think it would have made a bit of difference. Better weather + lower taxes + hoochie mamas (and poppas, if he were so inclined) + playing with friends = no way in hell any other team had a chance.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I like this deal. The Bulls get another first round draft pick that could put them in a position to draft a first round steal or two.

    At this point, I'm satisfied with where the Bulls are at, and would happy to see them just stand pat. I don't want to give up Asik and pick(s) for Lee.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I respect the love for JJ, but as I've said before I know many "nice guys" who are unprofessional/unrelaible. To me, that's JJ. I know he didn't get the time especially with Thibs, but almost every time he got on the court he exposed the ball/made crazy passes/turned it over, and put up threes which he can't shoot. He just didn't operate within the flow of the ofense the way Taj does at all. Really, a guy with J.J.'s athleticism, and he does have some skills ocassional face ups and transition conversion/can handle it should be able to find a place in the league. However J.J. is just to undisciplined at least from what he's shown so far. Plus the inconvenient fact that the guy can not shoot. In most cases, that's a problem. I hope James proves me wrong. He obviously is a likable guy off the court.

    Here's an interesting(prophetic IMO) caveat on James from NBADraft.net

    http://www.nbadraft.net/players/james-johnson

    Note the "weaknesses" paragraph from Borko Popic. Uncanny/pretty much dead on for me.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I like Johnson, and I think if some team gave him 30 minutes a night for 2 years that they'd have a nice player at the end of it.

    The problem is, that's a lot of growing pains for a guy who's only going to be a nice player.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    MUrphy to be bought out but I don't see where we can find him minutes

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Hopefully he's not going to the Knicks, a big that can shoot and rebound would be perfect for what they need.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I've heard Orlando was the probable destination since he could fill that stretch 4 role in that offense.

  • In reply to walrus:

    Orlando doesn't worry me so much, Ryan Anderson is already doing well in that role for them so I don't think Murphy helps them so much.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Doesn't bother me either...but that seems to be the rumor. Read another rumor about Orlando trading Bass and Richardson for Z-Bo...actually I think Sam Smith started that one, so who knows?

  • In reply to walrus:

    Having Murphy go to any of the contenders in the East is troublesome.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Agreed. Stretch 4s just make me nervous.

  • In reply to walrus:

    We sure could use one.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    As Derrick Rose might say, why not us.

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    In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'm thinking the draft day trade is the most likely scenario. Nobody within the organization seems to be worried about how the team as currently composed will perform in the second half and playoffs. And really, any move that would clearly benefit the Bulls would require another team's gm to make some kind of mistake.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    That's not necessarily true.
    Although the gm mistake may have been taking OJ Mayo with the 3rd pick.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    or trading Kevin Love for him.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Anthony Parker?

    http://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/40184977140363264

    * I find it hard to believe they would give up a 1st Round pick for him.

    We'll see what happens.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Booooooooo

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Really tough call Mayo v Afflalo, but I would move the 2011 picks for either, I lean toward Mayo, seems to have more upside, especially as a scorer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I like the way you think. That would be excellent
    Plus I think that if they bring in a 2 they have to move one.
    There's not enough minutes otherwise to keep that illusive "chemistry"

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    oof i thought one moment u were saying bogans is now matching Mayo talent !

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    me too, i wanted to see him play more. good luck in toronto, JJ!

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    He is probably a guy who might put up some decent numbers for a bad team, so this might be the best situation for him.

  • Something for nothing trade really, JJ had zero value to the Bulls at this point so getting even a late first is great value.

    Toronto apparently liked JJ at draft time, and with Kleiza injured they have plenty of minutes for him, so it could end up being a win all around.

    Now the real work for the Bulls begins, with the Melo trade done the dominos will start falling and more trades will get done, hopefully the Bulls can manage to use the space + picks to upgrade at SG. If not at least having that extra first gives a good shot at moving up a few places in the draft to snatch whichever of the SGs they like (since there are a ton projected to go in the 20s sort of range).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I would suspect that there is something specific that they have in mind.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    +1

  • Thonus....this trade MUST be a precursor to another deal. Would Denver accept 3 1st rd picks (Charlotte's, ours and Miami's) for Arron Afflalo?

  • In reply to sukid09:

    I dunno if 3 first rounders are worth it... I'd go 2 but he is going to be a FA after this season anyways... If I'm Denver I'd take the 2 first rounders

  • In reply to sukid09:

    i think so !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    How so?? We could sign this guy without giving up anything this summer.. I would do the 2 1sts or the cats pick but not both

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    continue to wait wait and wait and u'll never see Chicago win a championship. When u have a luck catch it, that's what NY has just done.(they could have waited summer to get Melo). Do u think we're the only team interessed by afflalo ?

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I don't think they can. Even ignoring for a second that Afflalo is a resricted FA, and that Denver would match any fair offer, the Bulls are still only 3 mil under the cap. Not going to get Afflalo for 3 mil. Could use the 5.5 or so mil MLE, but that probably won't exist in the new CBA, and anyways Aaron still might command more than that on the open market. They could do a trade now, or a sign & trade over the summer. Those are really the only 2 options in trying to aquire him.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    +10

  • In reply to deewaves:

    they should do the trade now

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I agree

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bulls are 3 million under the cap now, but wont be in the off-season when Noah's extension kicks in. The MLE will be the only way to sign anyone (assuming it exists).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    That's what I'm saying. I think some of that cap room would exist though, until Rose signed, but it wouldn't be 3 mil.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Bulls are at ~62 million in salary next year (9 players under contract assuming Bogans' option not picked up). Add in cap holds and it's near enough to 63 million. Given the cap this year was ~58 million there's next to no chance they have any space.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    ok, so we're back to my original point, that they would have to trade for Afflalo now, or do it over the summer in a sign & trade

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    and I really don't think a MLE will exist in the future. That will be one of the 1st things to go, as most owners won't want teams like Miami to keep adding 5 mil/yr players

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Most teams and Bulls fans.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Remember sign & trades are a cap exception too, no guarantee the owners wont take aim at them as well.

    Basically this is why I think the Bulls should have everything on the table now, the Bobcats pick, any of our other picks, Gibson. Whatever combination gets us the SG now so they're under contract before the CBA changes is good in my book (of course I'm not saying trade all those assets no matter what, just use what they have within reason).

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    In a perfect world we could trade those picks and Bogans for Eric Gordon.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Even the Clippers aren't that stupid.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    +100

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    is this perfect world a fantasy league in Mappy's mind.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Savvy move. Bulls front office needs to get their props for putting together a good team and not panicking into making a bad deal by gutting the team to get a player like Antony. I think a nice little move for a rotational 2 guard who can Shoot AND defend is enough to compete for the East this season while still keeping the future in focus. I think a move is inevitable at this point. I would owner like to keep that Bobcat pick if possible. Maybe this pick they got and their own for said player. This sets the Bulls up nicely for this season while still having a chance at getting a young stud to help in the draft with a top 15 pick.

    As for JJ I like the kid. He's a guy who wouldn't develop here as you mentioned, because this team is ready now. They don't have the time to focus on development. Toronto is perfect for James. I think if he wants to he can take his game where he wants. Lord knows its not physical ability holding him back.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Only if we have cap space, which we will not have because Noah's extension kicks in July 1st, I believe.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Why is everybody on this site just dying to throw the Charlotte pick into every deal. It must be A.D.D. since the pick will not yeild immediate benefits.

    I am fine with moving both the 2011 picks for a real upgrade at 2 guard, but not for a short term lateral type move. Mayo, Lee yes, Parker, Butler etc, no.

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