Bulls still interested in J.R. Smith, psyche, not really, or are they?

Per Wojo:

The Chicago Bulls
are still making calls on J.R. Smith to solve their shooting guard
issues, but red flags on Smith's character have made the Bulls cautious.
"They just don't want to mess that locker room up," one source with
knowledge of the talks said. "The Bulls have too good of a [locker] room
right now."

I don't know what the hell that's supposed to me.  I mean, he's basically saying the Bulls are interested in J.R. Smith, but psyche, not really.

Let's briefly ignore the fact that Wojnarowski basically contradicted his own rumor mid-sentence.  The problem with trading Smith isn't simply whether or not you'd add a knucklehead to the team.   The problem is also what can you trade Denver that they'd want?

Presumably Denver isn't interested in adding salary beyond this summer which means a third team likely needs to be involved or the Nuggets would need to take back C.J. Watson.   I just don't see a deal that's likely to make a whole lot of sense for both sides, especially since the Bulls need to go find a new backup PG if they trade Watson.

So even if the Bulls get over the 'this guy is cancer' thing, which you'd have to assume they have if you really believe they're making calls, then they're still left with a difficult trade to complete as it will likely require a third team. 

Of course on top of all that, the J.R. Smith deal likely needs to wait for a Melo deal which means we won't likely find anything out until the last minute.   Of course, we won't need to find anything out, because this one isn't happening (IMO).

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  • we don't have the shots for JR smith. Whose going to give up their shots for smith? Rose? deng? boozer?

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    deng

  • In reply to deewaves:

    is smith a better shooter than deng? he can be streaky/god awful at times.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Deng is a better shooter than JR Smith. Everyone but Dee sees this.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    i think that his skillset could actually be used fairly effectively in the second rotation. instead of leaving deng out there four forty minutes a game. if you had a primary scorer (relatively speaking) in the second rotation, it would make it easier to tone down the starter's minutes.

    however when deng and jr would be on the court together, obviously i want deng taking shots over jr

  • Wojnarowski from yahoo fabricates the most stories amongst all writers covering the NBA. Last year he said that James told his pals he was coming to Chicago, he made up the story about DWill-Sloan. I really would like to know who or what his source is. Probably the guy asking for change outside the United Center

  • In reply to bartocamazin:

    I will not fault him or anybody on the LBJ/Wade/Bosh stuff. It was basically a circus and in hindsight we can tell that almost anyone had any clue including the Bulls or Cavs or Knicks or Heat Management. The Bulls wouldn't have dumped Hinrich/Salmons/Tyrus so cheaply and the same with Beasley for Miami or all those players/picks the Knicks gave-up. Not to bring back old memories, I believe that Wade/Bosh were playing around while LBJ was actually not sure what to do until he met all the teams.

  • In reply to bartocamazin:

    You know a player has on court issues when your own coach, who is highly regarded and respected in the League, recently says this about you:

    "Last night, I thought J.R. was giving us too many bad basketball plays and not as many good basketball plays. [...] He doesn't have to give me much more good. It's just the bad shots, bad defense, bad reads, unfocused defensive concepts."

    source: http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_16528352

    Just think about the headaches Coach Thibodeau will have when he watches Smith come down the court on a 3 on 1 fast break and proceeds to hoist a 3 from the top of the key. There's a reason why Bulls' management traded Smith to the Nuggets in 2006 for Howard Eisley and two second round draft picks...

  • In reply to stepbackJ:

    This is not a guy you want on your team, no way

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    The Bulls were idiots for getting rid of JR Smith for two 2nd round picks. If they kept them, we could of actually traded him for somebody good but no....were fine with 2nd round draft picks that we suck at picking. Shoot....if was still here...we might not be looking for a SG right now, and he might not have the supposed "Attitude problems".

  • In reply to bartocamazin:

    What are you basing your opinion on? Woj is probably the best NBA writer out there as far as getting the little tidbits of inside information. He's a great writer, his coverage of the Lebron debacle produced excellent read after excellent read.

  • In reply to bartocamazin:

    Mayo/Melo or bust

  • In reply to calle3:

    Contribute/Debate or shush.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    don't need to write an essay to contribute you idiot...

    Mayo/Melo or 2nd round bound for a while hahaha

  • In reply to calle3:

    Yeah, because OJ Mayo was going to get the Bulls to the finals. Who's the idiot?

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    You are lol Mayo's a damn good player, this year was just not his year

  • In reply to calle3:

    Niether will happen

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    News: Rondo turns down skills challenge:

    http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/211029/Rondo_Turned_Down_Invite_To_Skills_Competition

    Looks like he doesn't want to go up against Rose again.
    Sort of similar to when he 'withdrew' from team USA consideration when he found out he wouldn't be making the team.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Maybe they told him he has to shoot and cannot go to the other team's huddle.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I think you have to shoot a free throw in that one ...
    He didn't stand a chance ;-) lol

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    he wouldnt be able to make the jump shot.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Personally what will happen during the 24th for the Bulls is NOTHING. The speculation of trading Deng, Bogans, JJ, CJ, Ronnie is all personal gain more than factual!!!! If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Many, many more SG options during free agency. They will ride it out all season.

    The Bulls will do nothing as their record shows that they are 2-1/2 games from their conference.

    Remember they had the 3-head Monster (center position during the Jordan years), well the same is has happen now as the 3-headed shooting guard situation with (Bogans, Korver, and Brewer).

    Cree

  • In reply to chrishunigan:

    Agree - the Bulls have been getting better as the season goes on. They weren't even that good defensively to begin the year. Let's see what happens when Noah gets back.

    Free agency - Michael Redd for MLE? Too early to tell whether he has anything left, though.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Nah not a fan of Big Red. I am thinking Jason Richardson, Shane Baiter, Aaron Affalo, Jamal Crawford,
    DeShawn Stevenson, J.R Smith, Leandro Barbosa, Nick Young. Out of the bunch I like Richardson or Affalo. I know that Battier is a SF, but he can go to the 2 position as he guards SG as well.

    Cree

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Heads up: the word "psych" (as in "to psych someone out") does not take an "e" at the end.

    Not sure the Bulls can get any of these players, but here are my top picks. Obviously everyone except Bogans, Brewer, J-Johnson, and Scalabrine should be off the table for trading purposes unless we're landing a true star.

    DeMar DeRozan (Tor, SG/SF)
    Josh Childress (Phoenix, SG/SF, tallest at 6'8")
    Rudy Fernandez (Portland, SG/SF)
    Kelenna Azubuike (NYK, SG/SF)
    Corey Maggette (Mil, SF/SG)
    Tony Allen (Memphis, PG/SG/SF, shortest at 6'4")
    Leandro Barbosa (Tor, PG/SG)

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    DeRozan is a building block for Toronto so probably not available. Fernandez and Allen are probably not available for a decent price due to their teams injuries. Childress has a contract that is too long. Azubuike is injured without a timetable for return. Maggette is kind of old and has had issues with Skiles wanting defense, so I'd rather not.

    Barbosa is certainly a guy I'd consider in the right deal, he can flat out score even if he's struggled to hit threes lately. Toronto seem to be willing to get what they can for him at this point. Also their GM allegedly liked JJ pre-draft, so maybe they feel like they could turn him into a player. Also he can sort of play point guard in the way Watson can sort of play point guard.

    If you could send JJ + Watson + Scal + the second rounder we have for him then I'd do it. Raptors fans seem keen on Korver + JJ, but I'd rather not give up Korver (shooting) or Brewer (size & defense) if possible, and Barbosa seems to be more of a like for like replacement for Watson anyway.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I can already see JR Smith complaining about playing time should he by some miracle land on the Bulls.

    Thibs would make him work up the rotation, I don't see him putting the work in.

    If you think about it, Ronnie Brewer has been balling the entire season and Thibs is still bringing him off of the bench.

    JR will have fits underneath Thibs, I don't see a good fit.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I would be content with Bulls' management not dealing for a big name SG (JR Smith, Rudy Fernandez, Leandro Barbosa, etc.) at the trade deadline just because of the fact that the Bulls have so little to offer, unless they decide to include Asik, Watson, or dangle that first round, lottery protected pick from Char.

    However, if I had it my way, I would take a look at Wayne Ellington. Martell Webster is returning from injury and the Wolves can play Ellington, Webster or Wes Johnson at the 2 guard. Ellington makes less money than James Johnson and he can shoot the ball, especially from beyond the arc (right under 40%) and the Bulls won't ask him to be a guy who has to be heavily counted on to create his own offense (thanks D. Rose).

    James Johnson + second round pick for Ellington.

  • In reply to bzoooty:

    I say NO to JR Smith. That would be a disaster - poor character, poor defense, poor shot selection.

    I'd like bulls to make a move and I'm sure they'll work the phones relentlessly. But unless Bulls can make a significant upgrade without including Asik or Gibson, then I think they wait until the off season to add a SG while keeping Asik and Gibson.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Exactly....the Bulls are a winning team now. Everyone knows we need a SG that is starter quality. Wait til free agency and the Bulls should have tons of options open for us. PLUS we can keep Taj and Asik.

  • I don't think we'll make any moves. I like JR Smith, but if we do it might be a move with James Johnson or draft picks. Courtney Lee and OJ Mayo may be out of the picture too seeing that Houston and Memphis are talking about doing a virtual swap between the two. So I think that this may be the Bulls first time in a while standing pat at the deadline. But who knows maybe Rip Hamilton and Jason Kapono are guys who could get bought out and picked up by the Bulls.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Houston don't need a SG, they need a Center. So Mayo would be expandeble for the Rockets. This is when the Bulls should step in.
    Bulls Get: OJ Mayo
    Grizzlies Get: Courtney Lee, James Johnson, and Bulls 2011 1st
    Rockets Get: Omer Asik

  • In reply to BullsFTW:

    I rather just keep our team together and sign a free agent this summer.

  • Woj has his sources on all teams who are probably on the periphery of each organization at the best or an outside source. He has to put out some story every 2 days like ESPN has to put a new Melo twist every hour. BTW, if Anthony Parker was supposed to disrupt chemistry, JR Smith will make chemistry disappear.
    That said, he might be a good fit with all the veterans and maybe(big maybe) he has grown up a little bit after all the stupid things he did earlier.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +1

  • In reply to deewaves:

    If Jr Smith does come here, either trade or Free Agency....guys like Rose,Booz,Deng an Noah and even coach Thibs should be able to keep the guy from becoming uncontrollable.

  • I don't even care about the chemistry. I care that he's a me first player on offense, and he's one of the worst defenders in the league (one of ESPN's writers noted he's bottom 5 according to points given up per possession this season). Yeah he can shoot and that's always valuable but as a package he stinks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    smith a bad defender ???????? ohhhhhhh !! are u joking or what ?? JR SMITH, a colander ?? stop listen to the statsmen ! did u see utah-denver serie ? did u see nugget-lakers series ?? u guys must watch other games than chicago's. It will make u per exemple realize that AP is better than bogans !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    OK I'll ignore the stats, since it's obviously osmosis that causes the ball to go in the hoop with alarming regularity when JR Smith is guarding a player, not his complete lack of interest in playing defense most of the time.

    Yeah he made a bit more of an effort against Kobe because he has some kind of grudge against him for whatever reason, but Kobe still gets his points against him despite JR Smith's claims to be able to shut him down.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    In big games and games that matter...Smith plays defense. Much like Melo. If the game matters, they will play D.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    +10. Playoffs are big games ! so ?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The regular season matters too. If the Celtics treated every game like it mattered last year they'd have finished with a better record than the Lakers, had home court, and won the championship.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bulls dont need to make moves. Good article on Chasing23:
    http://chasing23.com/2011/02/no-melo-no-cry/

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    behavior argument against Smith is simply stupid. We all know that garnett is a dirty player but which GM in this league wouldn't pick garnett when he was a little younger because of his attitude ??

  • In reply to deewaves:

    You are stretching there. Garnett was not in any kind of bad news when he was younger and his dirtiness is more on the court stuff and he is obviously a smart player. Smith has issues off the court, he makes dumb decisions on the court and is not even half-talented as Garnett in basketball skills.
    But that said, what the Bulls are doing is probably study and see if he can be got cheaply. They are not paying high for somebody like JR Smith who definitely has to be monitored more closely to follow the game plan(forgetting the off-court stuff)

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think a good rule of thumb in judging whether a player would be bad news or not is "Do I think there is a more than 5% chance he brings a loaded gun into the locker room/on the team charter, and either purposely or accidentally shoots a teammate"

    JR fails this test. PASS!!!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Garnett is a guy you only hate because he's not on your team, much like how other teams fans hate Noah. He may be a bit of a jerk, but there's absolutely no question he's a guy driven to win and a team player.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    One thing that does piss me off about Chicago sports is that every player the Bears or the Bulls have, have to be blue collar people. We never take on anybody with supposed "Attitude Problems"...which is a mistake imo. Are team is filled with "Good Guys", that being said, we should be able to handle a guy with some attitude problems.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    +100

  • In reply to Csharp:

    As of right now....Id probably just wait til the summer to make any move. Ill take the Anthony Parker deal for now, Ill address the issue in the summer where there is a lot more players to choose from without getting rid of any of our players.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Maybe with the Bulls, but the Bears? Most outside the city would tell you the team is full of jags.

    Brian Babymaker? Lance "Crashetest" Briggs? Olin "Beat the F--k out of a teammate with a dumbbell" Kreutz? Cutler being 'pouty' is relatively tame in comparison! Actually, I think Plaxico Burress is just what the Bears need in more ways than one.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Tyrus Thomas
    Larry Hughes
    Ben Wallace
    Ron Artest
    Tim Thomas (twice!)
    etc
    etc
    etc

    The Bulls have taken on plenty of players with attitude problems. They've usually gotten rid of them as the attitude problems have been detrimental to the team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    BRING ON AFFALLO! better contract better defender and more consistent shooter!

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Denver probably will re-sign him at the end of the year

  • Yes great news !! why Doug thonus do u always have weird suppositions when it's about trades ? who told u that the bulls have aslo to trade watson.
    BTW i heard that bulls are also trying to find a way to get hinrich back home.

  • I don't see why they'd give up, they're equal on wins with Portland, Utah and Denver, which all have issues of their own. They've been hot for the last month, they can still make a run at the playoffs when Gay gets back, especially since with the all-star break 4 weeks is only 10 games missed.

  • It is Memphis and you don't know if they will make any rational decisions. I remember their GM a long time ago(whenever Stromile Swift was drafted)telling on Chicago Radio that he will be a HOF type player. Talk about forecasting early.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    All GMs talk up their draft picks, what are they going to do, say "we only drafted this guy because everyone else sucked more"?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    OK, so now Houston and Memphis are supposedly discussing a Lee for Mayo deal. The stated motivation is Memphis' wish for a "more traditional" two-guard. Now, the consensus after last week's Asik-Lee rumor was that losing Asik was not worth Lee's limited upside. But what about Asik for Mayo? If Houston's interest in Asik was genuine (and not fabricated by the press), do the Bulls try to initiate a three-way?

  • Agree...Houston has a whole bunch of guards, wing players. They need somebody young at the Center position as do the Grizzlies actually because they might lost Randolph. I think if the Bulls are ready to trade one of Asik or Taj, they might be able to snag a good SG. It looks there is a big shortage of young PF/Centers who can actually play and can play good defense.

  • I'd pass based on the risk that he might choke joahkim noah out during a practice. We don't need that. Bogans is playing decently. Let's ride it out until we have a clear starter in our midst. At the moment JR can't start on his own team, why should he start on ours.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    My only worry is that riding Bogans out will have us stuck with a starting SG that has returned to the shooting slump we saw in the beginning of the season.. better safe than sorry. But if its true that he has been working diligently with the shooting coach on his stroke then perhaps we are witnessing a shooting trend that has some longevity. Either way JR Smith is not the answer.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    yeah but jr smith isa volume shooter that's not the starter on his team. why should he be the starter on our team? he's really not a consistent scoring option. it's not his defense, it's his offense that puts him on the bench.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Make him your 6th man then. Start Brewer or Korver. Smith could come in with Taj,Watson,Brewer or Korver an Asik. He can play that same role, scorer off the bench. He can even spread the floor out even more for Derrick Rose. The game will just get easier for D Rose with another deadly shooter on this team.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    No way a deal gets done. Not only because it wouldn't be a good deal (unless we can get him for ONLY our 2nd round pick + JJ, Scal) but because Bulls front office wouldn't do it. I think the all in move by getting rid of Kirk was one of the riskier moves I've seen them make in a while.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    It landed us Watson,Brewer and Korver. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

  • It actually makes perfect sense for how Houston operates. They went out and got Terrence Williams even though they had no room for him too. At the moment they're just trying to gather assets, they'll make any trade they think they're on the winning end of even if the fit is bad.

  • What about Ramon Sessions from Cleveland. He's 6'3" or 6'4" can play the point or the 2 guard position. He's a good scorer and may come very cheap. Plus he just scored 34 in beating the Lakers tonight. Does anyone know what his salary is with Cleveland?

  • Lee is out with Pneumonia...

  • What's your opinion about Ramon Sessions. Everybody has been talking about Anthony Parker from thye Cavs, but I feel that Sessions would be a better fit. He can play both the point and off guard positions.

  • Whether their individual trades have been good or not I like their strategy, there's no point worrying too much how the pieces fit together when you know you don't have enough talent to win yet.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    They seem to be following the Minnesota model. But, I guess they have no other choice as no big FA of 2010 or Melo wants to go there. And they have had bad luck with Yao, Francis, McGrady...They are a big market and are under a lot of pressure I guess.

  • Well what is the alternative? They had no realistic way of getting involved in the free agent bonanza (because the big names didn't want to go there), their team is too good to get the best draft picks and nobody is going to give you something for nothing. The best you can do is to be active trading and hope you can find a player who breaks out in a new environment.

    FWIW the Hill/Jefferies trade was all about robbing the Knicks of draft picks, if Hill turned out to be decent it was a bonus. Allowing the Knicks to dump Hill and Jefferies in exchange for a first and a potential pick swap was a solid move. The pick swap might not come off but if the Knicks had struck out in free agency they could easily have had an Eddy Curry type trade where the Knicks were over optimistic about how good their pick would be.

  • If nothing is there, Ill just wait til the summer. No need to get rid of our good rotation players to get a guy that we can possible get during free agency. If not a better player.

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