Bulls @ Hornets 8pm on WGN - Who's the best PG part II

The Bulls will roll into New Orleans with two days of rest to face a Hornets team that just defeated the Orlando Magic last night.   Typically such situations, when all other things are equal, give the rested team a fairly significant advantage.  

Now one might think things aren't equal, the Bulls are the better team anyway.    However, the Hornets are 20-7 at home while the Bulls are just 12-12 on the road.   Both teams have dominated on their home court and struggled on the road making this a tough test for Chicago.

Obviously the highlight of the night will be the matchup at PG.   Derrick Rose recently destroyed one contender for best PG in the NBA when the Bulls defeated the Jazz and Rose personally crushed Deron Williams on both ends of the court.   His life won't get any easier tonight against Chris Paul.

Paul's a different breed of PG than Deron Williams.   Williams has great all around game with no weaknesses.   He's more physical and not quite as athletic using pacing, tempo, and the system to dominate.   On the other hand, Rose now is up against one of the few players who might have a quickness advantage on him.   Paul also has among the best ball handling and court vision in the league. 

  


Keys to the game

Get physical with Paul

Derrick Rose has a physical advantage on Paul.   More height, more strength.   Push that advantage on both ends.   Drive into Paul on offense and force him to foul or score over him.   Rose should be able to force the issue on Rose defensively and use his height / strength to score on him off the dribble. 

On defense crowd him on the perimeter, bump him some, and keep him off balance a bit, and try to break his rhythm.   The Bulls have previously used Noah to help defend the pick and roll with Paul as he could stick with Paul on the perimeter, but they won't have that luxury this game.

Boozer better bring it on offense

David West is the type of PF that Boozer should play pretty well on both
ends.  West is similar to Boozer in that he doesn't have elite size or
speed for his position.  As such, Boozer's trickery down low should work
a bit better.   I'm looking for a lot of productivity from Boozer offensively.

In fact, Boozer probably has the best offensive advantage of any player on the team tonight, so go to Boozer frequently and let him do what he does.  

Rotate, rotate, rotate

You have to assume there's going to be a lot of penetration off the pick and roll.   Especially with Boozer having little hope to effectively hedge Paul after the screen.

As such, the center will need to step up to help defend on Paul at the rim, and Luol Deng will need to rotate and help defend the basket.    The Bulls will need to be prepared for smart and swift rotations all night to try and shut down Paul's passing game as much as possible or at least force the recipients of those passes to shoot long jumpers rather than dunks.

 with Boozer doing his half hedge on the guard where he puts himself in no man's land and guards no one.   I'd love to stay Boozer should step up and play better defense, but I don't think he has

Execute in the half court

What's surprising about these two teams is that they both have elite, incredibly fast PGs, but neither team really wants to run all that much.   On top of that, both are defensive oriented squads who win first through defense despite the flashy offense of their stars.

As such, the outcome of the game will come down to half court execution and opportunistic scoring on the break.  Trevor Ariza is a particularly bad matchup for Luol Deng defensively and the Bulls don't get much out of the SG/C spots offensively.   As such, it's really going to come down to Boozer, Rose, and open jumpers.

Final thoughts

Well this is the rubber game in the trip.   I had hoped for a 4-1 road trip, but that's obviously not in the cards.   Still, this would be a big road win as it's easily the toughest game on the trip.   If the Bulls pull this one out, we should feel pretty good about the 3-2 trip.

If they lose, it's not the end of the world, but the trip will certainly be a disappointment as a whole at 2-3.  

Update -- Emeka Okafor is going to miss the game which should make things considerably easier for the Bulls.  Aaron Gray's a better matchup for Kurt Thomas defensively, and he won't be able to help on dribble penetration the way Okafor could.

As such, I think the Bulls odds in this game just went up considerably.

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  • I believe that Okafor is out for this game, so that'll help us

  • In reply to zachmanisback:

    Just saw the same thing, so I was about to edit the article :)

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Thats huge for us....def. a good thing

  • In reply to Csharp:

    is david west a shot blocker? If not, the closest thing to a shot blocker is ariza. Rose should be able to live in the paint.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    As for the game tonight....i think Rose will go straight after CP3. Rose has a major size advantage on Paul. I went to a NO vS Bulls game a year or two ago and Rose WAS ALOT bigger then Paul. Paul is serously like 5'9-5'10 no joke. This would be a big win for the Bulls going into the all star break. Hopefully we can do it!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    i'm afraid of turn overs. rose can be turn over prone, and paul loves steals. Also if rose is taken out of this game with fouls, we're in trouble. Paul is really good at generating fouls, at least he was 2 years ago. i haven't seen a hornets game in a really long time.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    As good as Omer has been playing I almost hate to change the focus, and have him concentrate on runouts to take advantage of Aaron's turtle trot down court. But in the half court creating some space, and letting him try to drive/curl on Gray might be a time to emphasize that emerging part of Omer's game if ever we're going to this is the perfect opportunity.

    One other thing occurred to me regarding Chirs Paul. He is one of the best guys I've seen at coming over screens(almost effortlessly). To me sure you try quicker screeners like Asik and Taj, and Thomas is a guy who knows how to walk sideways/move on screens and get away with it. But for the most part I think the screen and roll with him doesn't work well. Derrick needs to move wihout the ball, and get it somewhere in the upper lane area. Of course giving it to a big/screener and Derrick releasing/getting it back again would be ideal, but appraently Thibs/the Bulls just don't want to run this play.

    And defensively I bring Taj(and Omer) up for extended doubles on Paul when Boozer's not in the game. Paul is great at rubbing off a non-instinctive defender of pick and rolls like Derrick(though usually Derrick now gets the job done but against Paul would be pushing it) on screens. I think you have to eliminate this with Derrick and Taj cordoning off Paul, and let a fast rotation of Omer, Ronnie etc. recover on passes and dives from Paul's screener/West.

    I think if Thib's/the Bulls game plan speciically for Paul's known strengths(which Thibs will be focused on most likely with a couple of days off for film study/recent Bulls hames against him) we can win this game. I just wouldn't get caught up on doing things offensively to take advantage of Aaron except for maybe runouts. Really with Aaron in you almost have to have his man run out on every opportunity the way Horford/the Hawks do so well(against the Bulls unfortunately). I just wonder if Boozer's poor(er then usual) (non)rotations warrant playing him less minutes unless he's just going off offensively early on in both halves? To me either he goes to town/agressively scores or he's out/less minutes for this game.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    One thing about the Paul/Rose matchup is; this is an important game to win and all that. But there is nobody like Paul in the Eastern Conference to challenge Rose during the playoffs. Rose is far and away the best PG in the Eastern Conference especially among the playoff teams(Rondo(close), Nelson,Chalmers,Felton,Holliday,Bibby)...nobody is really on par with Rose. The Philly guy might be the best match-up for Rose but he is not big either.

    I agree with RW that Thibs should do something about Boozer. Boozer used to dominate Aldridge in Utah and he got schooled by Aldridge in Portland. I feel it has gotten worse with Boozer's defense in the last few games.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    You should consider writing your own articles

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Honestly...looking at that list of Free agents...I would probably just stick with what we have for now. If the Anthony Parker for a 2nd round pick is on the table, Ill take that but I like this team right now. I think we will be able to find a guy just as good if not better in Free Agency. If you wait til the summer, you could either go after a SG or SF, and I deff. think the Bulls should be able to get somebody on that list.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I think the Bulls will not pull the trigger for Parker until the last minute. They will keep looking if Houston gives up Lee for a lesser cost(picks, JJ etc..) or somebody else like Smith, Mayo open up. And since Cleveland broke their streak yesterday, Cleveland also now might be more open to selling off their pieces for the best price in a couple of weeks.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    ^ +2 i agree

    Rose has just been on a whole different level this year compared to most.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Boston v. Miami tomorrow, who do we cheer for?

    I'm leaning towards seeing the Celtics lose, as you have to believe the Bulls have a decent shot of catching them for the 2 seed. Miami has a stretch of 8/9 brutal games in March, but besides those, I wouldn't be surprised if they won every other game. Let's just say they splite those 8, losing 4 more games. Already behind 2 in the loss column, the Bulls would need to lose about 2 games the rest of the year, not gonna happen. It would take a huge dissapointment by Miami to get the #1, so I guess you have to be rooting for them tomorrow. I think we can & will catch Boston though.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think Boston is over-confident. They think they can bully everyone and they can win on the road. The problem is teams like Bulls and Miami didn't exist last year. We have seen what Orlando and Cleveland(supporting casts)are...They are both regular season studs.
    I feel Miami is one team for whom home court probably doesn't matter compared to others relatively. They can be beaten if you have the correct game plan if it is at their home or away. Boston thrives on lot of external factors other than their game

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    However the seeding has to work I hope Boston faces Miami before we do because they probably have the best chance of taking them out. Ironically/matchup wise I think the Bulls could then beat Boston/the slayer of the Three Headed Hydra.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    OH YA!! BIG SEXY VS THE WHITE PANTHER!!

    I was reading on a Hornets Blog that CP3 has been slow the last 5 or so games.... I hope it doesn't change this game!

    Dwill dominated CP3 in their last matchup and we all saw what Drose did to Dwill...

    But like others have said with Rose usually generating a high rate of turnovers and CP3 averaging 2.5 steals a game it could get ugly for us!

    But we are 3 point favorites so that is good for us

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    THE AARON GRAY BREAK OUT GAME!

    (unlikely)
    Bulls should win this if Boozer's rotten help D and rotations do not leave Chris Paul to go nuts.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Hey Doug I think you are the only one that I am friends with on Facebook.. Here is a pic with Drose signing my shoes and the guy that I think was an Illinois state police officer is the guy with the white hair... You can see the lanyard

    http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=100001038641371&aid=37122#!/photo.php?fbid=176226722421948&set=a.167224973322123.37122.100001038641371&theater

    Do you think he was actually was an officer ??

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I feel like playoff seeds won't matter cause in the playoffs its about matchups. The Bulls could draw the second seed and still have problems with let's say the Sixers or if N.Y. fall to the 7th seed. The Bulls will just need to be playing very good basketball come playoff time.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm not worried about 1st round, at all, but the second round is going to be great basketball drama no matter how it lines up.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    UtahBullsfan i saw you at the game the other day lol!!! haha

    DRose signed ur shoes?!?!?! thats what im talking about! Thats our guy right there.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They just have to stay focused right reese. Lol

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    Hahaha...oh, that's low.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    Yep focus is the key and I see someone is kissing ass fantastic...Lol...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Whats low about it zentastic? Like I said before stop kissing ass.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    First double digit game since November 13 for Bogans! Last time he hit double digits he did it three games in a row, lets hope for a repeat.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Speed: Boozer Vs Noah...Boozer almost made a steal but couldn't run past his defender which Noah probably would have

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    He also has the turning circle of a Mack Truck, after he failed to get that ball it took him forever to get back into defensive position.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    boozer just sucks, this stinks of the ben wallace signing

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Ben Wallace sulked and didn't always try hard, there's no indication that's Boozer's problem, he's just a guy who isn't a quick mover.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    i think he is pretty lazy

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    bulls defense looks damn good with him on the bench

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Great job by Thibs. Staying with Gibson with 5 fouls and Watson on Paul.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    that sideline out of bounds call on the rose foul was as unsuperstar call as you can get

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Second half has been really impressive, after getting down double digits from some lucky bounces and borderline calls it on the road to come back and really lock them down has been great.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    nice finishing kick tonight

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Did NO give up?
    Good win.
    Chris Paul?

  • In reply to Waldock:

    time to crown the new no1 PG

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Absolutely no doubt!

  • In reply to Waldock:

    D1 second to none!!! MVP!!!

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Good contributions by almost everyone especially in the second half. The Bulls showed they are an elite team today IMO by making it tight in the 4th quarter. I think the officials were a little too quick in blowing the whistle which kind of disrupted the Bulls offense a little bit.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Nice win to close out the road trip. Noah on track to return after the all-star break so hopefully that means a run at the #2 seed.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Asik again changes the game up when he comes in, he's fighting so much harder for the boards than the other bigs.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    -1

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Absolutely right. Again he's the difference maker. Plus with Asik and Gibson the D is so much more solid.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    the bulls letting a scrub kill them again. Can brewer be taught how to shoot? his form is awful

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The Bulls look like the team that played last night. Oh wait they were in New Orleans. They played.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    Bogans -- The comeback Wildcat

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Absolutely want the Heat to win for the Bulls. The only way we can catch the Heat is if they get a major injury. But Boston is very much in reach especially given their history of fading in the second half of the season.

    I think with home court and fully healthy there's no reason why the Bulls can't take Boston in the second round either. People are sleeping how how big a deal Noah is to the match up, if KG is guarding Boozer then the Celtics have nobody who can keep up with him.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I know how the bulls can win a championship,
    sign Jordan, bulls need a shooting guard. Whats the point of him playing for the bobcats anyway, would be the wizards all over again.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Jordan would need to sell his team to come back to the NBA, something which would likely take over a full season to accomplish even if he decided he wanted to do so.

    Ignoring that, Jordan would be absolute crap if he came back to the NBA. He was a sub 50% TS% guy both of his years with the Wizards and that was eight years ago. He looks like he's added about 20-30lbs of fat to his body since that point.

    It's a fun thought, but besides the logistics of it being impossible, Jordan wouldn't have the skills to be anything more than a bit player at 48, and he doesn't have the mentality to be a bit player.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Good grief Doug, I'm sure ixonflex's comments were a joke! If not, they should have been a joke. Beyond the obvious reasons you stated (48 years old and 30 pounds overweight), here's a couple more: Right now MJ's all-time points per game average stands at something like 30.1, which is the all-time best...BUT it's just a couple of points or whatever ahead of Wilt Chamberlain. So do you know how I know that Michael Jordan, even if he was the same age and in the same condition as when he returned to the Wizards, would never play again in the NBA? Easy - because if he played more than a handful of games (and I'm not enough of a stats geek to figure this out exactly, someone else can be my guest), he would not only see his career PPG average drop below 30 per, he would also fall to Number Two behind Chamberlain, and we all know MJ's ego is too big for him to ever allow either thing to ever happen.
    I rest my case.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Afer the way Omer has played in the last couple of games especially his high rate of rebounding and defensive presence/rotations inside plus the agressive put backs and even bursts down the lane; I would love to see Asik get 25 minutes in this game. Of course that won't happen as Kurt Thomas has proven himself to Thibs overall. But I hope he at least gets his minutes significantly upped. His play recently has earned him more time on the court. He and Taj together amplifies both of their shot blocking/effectiveness shutting down the lane similar to a Jo and Taj pairing.

    Also, everyone has seen Korver shooting better lately yet he will get taken out of ball games after going 4-5 or 4-7. Play Korver with Derrick with Taj and Omer as the lane/recovery/rotation stop gaps down low. As for Boozer I've defended him recently as "trying" on defense, but lately his rotations have been non-existent on lane penetration. I say make it look like Booz is going to be involved in high post passing to cutters for one or two plays, and then go to him in the lane for post scoring production. Get in his ten points in both halves early as possible, and then get him out of the game for Taj and Omer's defense.

    As for the trading of Omer for Lee or anyone else(SG) looks like it's not happening. With Omer's free throw shooting stroke looking viable/65% or more/doable for a 7-footer it's hard to argue with keeping him. My only exception would be Lee for the reasons I've stated. Sure it's a gamble, but one with such upside as not too many SG's have year after of prolific scoring on 46-47% plus 80's free throw shooting, and 40% from three. But again maybe he just doesn't have that presence/dynamic personality that so many successful NBA players possess. Anyway, we've heard that the Bulls were really interested in him from multiple media sources including local/Chicago sources. But I guess with the Bulls unwillingness to part with Asik it's not going to happen..? I mean what else would we have to give Houston besides lower first draft picks and J.J.?

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    With Aaron Gray starting at center for New Orleans, the Bulls could go two directions. Thomas will likely corral him just fine at center, but then again Asik might be able to press some athletic advantage against him.

  • is paul still quick with bionic legs?

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Absolutely.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    He's quick in the sense that he changes direction very well, but Rose would smash Paul in a foot race. Changing directions matters much more in basketball obviously, but seeing some of DRose's cross overs this season, I don't think Paul has much of an edge, if any, in either respect.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    If Im the Bulls, I would either trade a 2nd rounder for Anthony Parker or just wait til the summer. Check out all these names the Bulls could go after this summer to either start at the SG position or either to back up Luol Deng. If the Bulls start Korver next year, we could just go after a SF this summer. Heres the list....
    Jamal Crawford (to expensive)
    Marquis Daniels
    Von Wafer
    Anthony Parker
    Jamario Moon
    DeShawn Stevenson
    Aaron Afflalo (Denver probably will keep him)
    JR Smith (Im Interested)
    Tmac (Could be Decent, having a good year)
    Reggie Williams
    Shane Battier (team back up with Boozer? lol)
    Mike Dunleavy Jr. (Maybe he wants to team back up with Boozer as well)
    Rasual Butler (3pt shooter)
    MatT Barnes (Tough defender,shoots the 3)
    Shannon Brown (Rose an Brown backcourt, wow)
    Sam Young
    James Jones
    Michael Redd (Maybe he will sign for cheap becuz of his injury?)
    Corey Brewer
    Marco Barnelli (Shooter)
    Marcus Thornton (Scorer)
    Daequan Cook (3pt shooter)
    Michael Pietrus (Defense, 3 ball)
    Thaddeaus Young (He could be interesting at the backup 3)
    Grant Hill (getting older but still getting it done)
    Jason Richardson (Probably looking for more $ but you never know)
    Leandro Barbosa (scorer)
    CJ Miles
    AK47
    Al Thornton
    Nick Young
    Josh Howard

    If we cant make a move now....thats fine with me, im deff. positive we can land one of these players.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    i think washington's keeping nick young.

  • Agreed Mitch. It seems Paul is purposely(?) not going to the rack/lane as much to score/take over ball games. Have injuries/contact scared him off, or is he 'saving' himself for either a trade to another Super(team) with Howard or Melo, or an importation to his own team that would be the same with he and West(and Okafor maybe West/Okafor combined account for a second star), but he's waiting/needs a third.

  • Don't let Hollinger read this Mitchell..... he'll have a massive system malfunction...

  • See thats the problem with PER. Paul plays like someone would if grabbing a high PER was the goal, and no I'm not suggesting Paul cares about his PER, he's just wired in a way that works great in the PER rubric. If Paul put his team on his back more, and was taking over games(in turn being forced to take tough shot clock beating shots at times) his PER would suffer significantly. And the fact that Paul doesn't do those things isn't a knock on Paul, he is who he is. But it is a huge knock on PER when you consider that taking your team on your shoulders and doing what must be done in every given situation actually hurts your PER stat. Straight points per game has taken a bad rap as of late due to the advancement in game statistics, and we've seen players put up huge PPG numbers in the past while being greedy, bad, destructive team mates. But what gets lost in that bad rap are the players who are putting up high ppg and mediocre efficiency as a result of doing what their team needs. PER can't measure such instances and its failure to do so will continue to be denied time and time again by saber metric heads everywhere. If only they'd admit such shortcomings I could respect their material so much more as it is truly useful. The limits of PER are significant and players like Rose receive backlash as a result while players like Paul reap the benefit.

  • I think the game starts at 7pm not 8pm.

  • In reply to Talos4:

    I didn't realize it until I set my DVR to record it at 6:30.

  • when can the bulls trade boozer, I still dont like him on this team and probably never will

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    They can trade him whenever they like.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Know what you mean. Why can't he even guard West? Thomas shouldn't have to try.
    Boozer also needs to look to pass when the lane is clogged and he can't get a good shot.
    But not one of Dengs best halves.
    I think the Bulls will have a better 2nd half. Although Rose isn't going to be able to do this one on his own.

  • thats some total bs 9-0 run

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Rough when a team bounces in back to back threes that take 2-3 bounces on the rim.

  • Boozer didn't guard West.
    Their offense does suck.
    After tonights performance, maybe Thorton should play more.
    Because Okafor was out.
    Yeah, it was easy.
    And Boozer is limited, but the team is figuring out how to take advantage of his strengths and cover his weaknesses.

  • That was really funny. True and funny.

  • Gloom and Doomers beware. The Bulls are for real. Have faith!!!

  • what he meant was Boozer wouldnt guard west, forcing thomas to do so... when boozer is actually the pf. I think asik and gibson did a hell of a job countering their big men, boozer didnt do much, and sat till the 5min mark of the 4th, at which time great bulls Defense had completley eroded the hornets confidence on offense

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Thanks. You said it better than I could

  • That's what I meant by covering his weaknesses.
    Thomas had to come out on West, while Bozer covered the slower immobile Gray.
    And I watched a bit of last nights game, the Magic have serious problems.

  • I think tonight's win was one of Thibs very best coaching performances.
    Leaving CJ in on Paul. Keeping Taj in with 5 fouls. Using Asik in the 2nd half.
    Keeping the team focused despite the excessive whistles and generally disruptive officiating.
    Outstanding job.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    I would have used Asik even more though. The young guy is clearly playing with a lot more confidence right now, & OG is clearly fatigued. Ride the hot hand!

  • Boozer was always going to be a bit of a love/hate relationship. The thing I don't get is if people want to see less Boozer why not be mad at Taj for picking up so many fouls? Boozer only got the 31 minutes he did because Taj was in foul trouble, otherwise he would have sat longer.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Agree about Boozer. I believe even Thibs has a love/ may not hate but exasperated relationship with him. But he is a go to guy that often does demands a double team. Good rebounder, but awfully slow and lacks D instincts.
    Gibson gets a lot of ticky tacs called on him. Tonight a few of the calls were questionable.
    Sam Smith said something interesting this week about not trading Gibson. He said you need him to push Boozer. Without Taj they're afraid that Carlos would move even less on defense.
    I think that the team and Boozer are still learning how to gel. They haven't really played that many games together.

  • In reply to Waldock:

    very interesting, and now I am sold on that too.

  • thomas is a 38 year old center who lacks all mobility. He's playing defense based on effort and ingenuity. If boozer played like thomas, we'd be golden. sadly he's retarded.

  • We'd all like a two way player who can average 20/10 and be a great defender, but prime Tim Duncan or KG don't come up in free agency very often.

    It's not like the Bulls have had trouble with scoring or rebounding this month though, so it doesn't bother me that Boozer's numbers are down a little. I'll gladly take a 17/8 night from Boozer if it's because other players are chipping in. As far as defense goes the Bulls have the players to present a defensive look when needed, I think that's a huge difference to the Jazz. The Bulls live with Boozer's defense by choice.

  • Mitchell, I think the Bull's fans did have high hopes for Carlos. I also think that Chicago judged him based on what they saw, not preconceived notions.
    But it isn't by accident that many of the criticisms of him here are very similar to the ones voiced in Utah.
    Now having said that, I believe it is going to be better here. This is a major market, a bigger stage. More press, more exposure. I think he's going to respond.
    But also cause if he doesn't, it's going to be very rough on him in this town.
    The fans here are sophisticated and can be brutal if you're not pulling your weight.
    He loafs on defense Thibs can and will sit him with the city's support

  • IMO Amare's rebounding hurts the Knicks, not his defense. He's an OK defender, he's just so important to them offensively he's told not to foul so doesn't always go as hard as he can. On the other hand his rebounding is pure lack of motivation.

    This year I'd take Amare over Boozer on this team. Of course I don't want Amare's contract a few years from now when his knees may be shot.

  • Disagree, I don't think the average fan follows other teams. Most people in Chicago don't know or care what people in Utah think. They had no idea about Utah's feelings were about Carlos.
    But they saw some pretty good defense from the Bulls over the years.
    Fans know it when they see it. And vice versa.

  • Example, San Antonio couldn't wait to get rid of Rodman. Chicago adored him..
    Sorry about the typos

  • Well the problem with Amare is on both the Suns and Knicks he's been the only true big in the rotation much of the time. That's why I find the talk that he's asked not to foul rather than that he doesn't try to be reasonable.

    I still prefer the Boozer signing to Amare because I think we'll get 5 years out of Boozer at about this level, with Amare by the end of the contract he could still be great or he could be unable to play.

  • I don't really think what Utah fans think has much to do with it. I think people say Boozer is bad on defense because he's bad on defense. Pretty much what Bulls fans are saying about Boozer is accurate.

    What I don't get is why people care so much he's bad on defense given the Bulls as a whole are very good on defense. It's not that what they're saying is wrong, so much as it's irrelevant.

  • I think there were a few people who thought the Bulls would cope because of the weak schedule. I said we'd still be on pace for 55 wins ... we can actually lose the remaining two games before Noah gets back and still do that.

    That said I thought it'd be Gibson & Asik that stepped up, not Thomas.

  • I think we basically agree that the Bulls can cover for one poor defender in the rotation.

    Also the Bulls dodged a Bullet when they pissed of D'Antoni by asking him about defense. I don't mind that he wants to play up tempo, but the fact he wont play guys that can't shoot no matter what else they bring really makes it impossible to put together an above average defensive team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    a true blessing in disguise, even if we had to endure 2 years of Vinnie

  • If anything the other stuff comes from the manner in which he left Cleveland. Of course pretty much everyone would have done the same thing and taken the massive piles of extra cash on offer to switch teams.

  • The Bucks have Skiles running the show, bad offense goes with the territory.

    The funny thing is the Bucks are finally about to get out from the albatross of Redd's contract but they've got even worse ones now. Spending a combined 25 million a year for Salmons/Maggette/Gooden in 2012-13 is why the owners need to rewrite the CBA to save them from themselves.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I predict Skiles is the next coach that gets the Derrick Rose kiss of death

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I think Skiles would be a great assistant somewhere, if you put him in a role like Thibs had in Boston where he's only responsible for the defense then he could make a huge difference to a team. I really love what he can do, I just don't think he's great at offense or managing egos.

  • I meant that was the catalyst for the crap that he got in Utah. Injuries happen to lots of players, I think he got flack for them because of the pre-existing perception he was about the money.

  • Thanks to everyone else stepping upo, even Keith Bogans, the 28 games wen't pretty quickly

  • I love Stoudemire's offensive game, more so than Bosh, Boozer, & Lee. Love the way he finishes at the rim with authority, one of the best in the NBA. His rebounding is terrible though, and D not that great.

    However, you have to believe the Bulls never really considered him b/c of the micro fracture surgery mostly.

  • you're absolutely right

    Those Utah fans are a strange breed, filled with so much hate. Maybe it comes from supressing their emotions during most of their everyday lives

  • Thank you sir

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    scary to think what they could have done with him

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Obviously I'm not glad he got injured but I think having him out has forced some other players to step up which will be good in the long run. I think it's been good for Rose to have had to play defense without an athletic center backing him up for example.

    The 8 losses without Noah were by a total of only 40 points, the Bulls haven't really been blown out in any game during that stretch, so you'd have to think all of them are games he might have made a difference in. Obviously you're not likely to win all 8 of them, but it's not crazy to think fully healthy the team could have gone on something like a 24-4 run (remembering of course that they were already on a 7 game streak before he went out).

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