Fire up your three way trade talks, Bulls can move Deng for expirings

So the Denver Nuggets don't want Luol Deng.  They don't want the long term salary commitment.  However, according to Sam Smith, the Bulls can move Deng for expirings to the Warriors.

Here's why it's so tough to make a deal. There were reports this
weekend in a Bay Area newspaper the Warriors would like to strengthen
their team by moving Dorell Wright to sixth man and trading for someone
like Andre Iguodala, Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Jeff Green or Luol Deng.
The report said the Warriors would offer expiring contracts for Deng.

I still doubt the Bulls have enough.  Draft picks, Taj Gibson, and an expiring probably isn't exciting enough to entice Denver.  However, if long term salary was a big issue for the Nuggets, the Bulls have a way around that.

Granted, there's no use in trading Deng for expirings unless it's in a three way deal for a better player (notably Anthony assuming he'd agree to an extension).   Deng's been quite good this year, helping to anchor the defense, provide shooting, and gets to the line at a decent rate.

If he was an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season, you probably wouldn't sign him to a 3 year 39 million dollar extension, but if he was making 10 million a year, you'd be happy to have him on your team.

The Bulls wouldn't be able to take advantage of any cap space from a Deng trade, so there's no chance this goes down without a better player coming back to Chicago in a three way.

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  • I don't see how expirings really make any sense to Denver unless there's some pretty significant assets coming with them. Remember they're in the playoff race, and each home playoff game is worth around a million bucks. Trading Melo for scraps actually hurts them financially.

    People act like Denver has to get rid of Melo at all costs, they really don't, they still have the leverage of being able to offer him more money than anyone else, and money talks. Also right now you have to say there's at least some chance Denver does well in the playoffs which may also cause Melo to reconsider. Sure, it's an outside chance, but it's better than no chance.

    So basically would you rather Taj and some crappy picks, or even a 5% chance at re-signing Melo? If I'm Denver I'd rather the later.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    However, Melo has leverage in saying "hey, I am taking my talents to NYC at all costs, even if it comes in a new CBA & with a new team that couldn't offer me the max. That's ok because its the biggest market in the NBA, I can cover my loses with increased exposure & endorsements, I can join them without them giving up any assets meaning we will be a contender from day 1, you will get nothing, you should have rented me out, and my value will increase because I am bringing the basketball mecca back to prominence for the first time since the dawning of the coke era of the NBA, and, AND, my wife will finally stop nagging me. Fuck you guys, I'm gone in July, good luck rebuilding from scratch. PS, you should really think about letting Afflalo walk, he's not right for your rebuilding project, but is for the Bulls"

    you know, just hypothetically he can say that

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And I know Denver wants to squeze out every cent from competing this year, especially making the playoffs, but they have no shot, absolutely no shot at beating LA, San Antonio, Dallas, or even New Orleans

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    that was hilarious +1

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Can we just move on from the Melo drama... geez...
    He is not coming to Chicago - why do so many intelligent fans keep discussing this BS... I know, I know - it can still happen... in Mr Happy dreams.

  • In reply to Hanseatico:

    thank you for calling me intelligent. means so much.

  • In reply to Hanseatico:

    I agree. Enough already.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Melo is not going to do that because it leaves money on the table. Denver knows that. He knows that. It's hardly a well kept secret that he greatly wants to go to New York, but in order to get every last cent possible he has to play nice with Denver.

    Plus there's another CBA risk for Melo: the franchise player tag. The majority of owners (ie all of them in the smaller markets) want it. If that gets in then Melo can kiss just running off to New York goodbye.

    Melo isn't going anywhere without a trade of some form. Denver will get some sort of compensation. It's just a matter of whether they decide to take New York's final offer at the deadline, or they drag this into whenever free agency is held after the CBA is finally agreed on.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If he makes it to the summer, then I'd say that Denver is going to get FAR less for him than if they trade him at the deadline.

    He was recently booed by the home crowd, are you really going to pay him 20 million a year at this point and franchise him?

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree, I think they trade him to New York in the last week before the trade deadline, and they're currently posturing to try to get as much out of the Knicks as they can.

    If I'm the Nuggets I absolutely would franchise him if that was an option, he'll have more trade value than he does right now. The Nets deal would have gone through if they were able to force him into an extension like that.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    We're forgetting that Melo actually would not mind playing for Chicago ... there were reports of him telling his inner circle of agents to reach out to the bulls after the Nets offer was withdrawn. The success of Chicago is a plus in Carmelo's mind. If I'm the bulls I want him to be a free agent ... that might be our best opportunity to signing Carmelo as our success would prompt him to sign with us. A line up of Rose, Carmelo, Deng, Boozer, and Noah would arguably be the best 5 starters the NBA has had since the Jordan led bulls of the 90's.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I guess that would be the first time someone ever left money on the table

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree that nothing will go down between the Bulls and Denver.

    However, if the Nuggets can get under the tax by trading Melo (which they certainly would in some complex deal), then they'd save WAY more money than the additional playoff revenue would generate for them unless they vastly exceeded expectations.

    Still, I agree, the Nets and Knicks have better offers on the table.

  • It looks like the new GS owner talks a lot...He said recently that he is ready to make trades and started mentioning names...You never heard Reinsdorf say anything like that in the open. I guess if GS is ready to give up Curry or Ellis for Deng to Denver, Denver would agree. If they are getting only expiring contracts or bench/role players, they could trade Melo to Cleveland or Toronto for that trade exception.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'm glad the new ownership in GS is just like the old, no real clue or plan, just intentions to trade for something and hope it works out. No wonder they never make the playoffs.

  • Crucified? It's exactly what the Bulls should be doing, trying to profit on the side of a Melo trade, not trying to be the destination.

  • If Afflalo plays a lick of defense, I think that's a great idea. His shooting numbers have improved again this year and the little I remember seeing of him was pretty good. He's one of a handful of SG's that I'd be interested in right now.

    But how would we be of help to the deal?
    Which side would we be able to help and how?

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Afflalo is kind of like Deng on both ends really, a solid all-round player who doesn't need the ball in his hands but will makes shots when he gets the pass offensively and wont put up big steal/block numbers but just play solid D. Perfect role player for the SG position on this team IMO, anything Bogans does Afflalo does better, which gives me hope Thibs would actually play him and drop Bogans from the rotation.

    As for helping the deal, you could either give picks to the Nuggets, or to the Knicks so that they have the right to trade theirs (you can't trade consecutive future firsts and the Knicks have traded their 2012 pick so they need another team's 2012 pick to compensate).

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    excellent point about the Knicks pick, I think they have own 2012 pick, so you can send Bulls '11 & '13, & say Denver gets the higher of Knicks & Bulls 2011 pick (which is probably Knicks), Knicks get the Bulls '11 pick, Denver gets best '12 pick while lowest goes to Bulls, & '13 Bulls pick goes to Denver straight up, while '14 New york goes straight up.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Always liked Aaron Affalo the 6 ft. 5 inch. shooting guard since his college days with UCLA. Solid as a rock with his sound all-round game, I think he would be fantastic as a Bull.
    I think Reinsdorf, Gar/Pax and Thibs would love him. Quality player and individual, would be an excellent Bull. I'm with you Shakes!

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    New York needs more picks, especially ones that are available now

  • We've been over and over this. Carmelo coming here would be beyond a miracle.

    But if we can trade Deng('s contract) for expirings that's something we now know if it's true. So then could you move those and Taj in a three way to possibly get a quality starting SG/two for that? And if so would we want to do that?

    I really don't want to stab Luol in the back. Further more even if we could get say a Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, O.J. Mayo(I know drugs/punk/ etc. exclude him if you like) would you do that? Right now Lu is playing good D, and has hugely added volume threes(at 35%) to his game. We do at least have Brewer and Korver with C.J. and Bogans, but what would we have at the SF if Lu left? Korver and Brewer help us more at the guard spot for my money.

    We know plugging one hole would just leave another one open plus lose a very valuable great attitude/hard hat and lunch pail(Stacy King) guy in Taj Gibson. So most really vested Bulls fans probably don't want to do these type of deals unless somehow we just absolutely pull off a coup, and get a quality SG and a decent back up big or SF on top of it to offset Taj or Lu. But again, probably a miracle in and of itself to pull that off. So probably not happening. Jo back with Derrick's game getting freed up/Derrick getting back to playing like he has most of the season(which I believe he will) that will be an awesome team, and we will need Taj defensively as a valuable piece mark my words.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I don't think there's a player available for expirings that is better than Deng. The big problem with expiring contracts right now is that a lot of teams have trade exceptions so expiring contracts are pretty low value.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Yeah, the trade exceptions that are out there pretty much make expirings obsolete. Really, it doesn't matter if you think keeping Deng and Taj is the better move anyhow.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I disagree, look how Vince Carter was traded

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Vince Carter still has some value as a player that makes him more than just an expiring contract. Somehow I don't think Radmanovic and Gadzuric are that attractive.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Vince was a throw in, they wanted Gortat

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I think the Bulls are giving up Deng only at the remote chance of getting Melo. I don't think they are giving up Deng for anybody else unless you are getting a top ten SG and a Affalo quality SF.
    Although, SF is a position which seems to be the most easiest to fill in the NBA. So giving up Deng is not a death sentence.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree. Deng only goes out if a better player comes in. I don't think there's a better player remotely available outside of Melo.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    So true look at how Deng plays almost every minute of the game in multiple positions...he's not going anywhere except to Denver and that isn't happening because Melo is going to NY.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I find it interesting that almost every article that discusses NBA trades mentions the Bulls. These guys must really be out there trying to add the missing pieces.

  • MrHappy can't hold it against you too much, he promised that Melo is coming to the Bulls, so when he doesn't I expect Melo will never be mentioned again, just like Wade.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Shakes,

    That's inaccurate per usual.

    I didn't promise anything. I did predict it though.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Have it your way then, despite that you claimed to have sources telling you this, it was only a prediction and so therefore we're wrong to laugh at you when it doesn't pan out.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yawn. Either way, you're wrong. Melo is not coming here. Period.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'd bet he says it's the Bulls management's fault first...they weren't "bold" enough. Even though anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows Melo doesn't want to come here.

  • Afflalo is a very good defender. He shoots well above 40% from 3. He's also shooting above 50% from the field and 86% at the line. That is the ideal shooting guard next to Rose. A 6'5", 25 year old shooting guard that has high percentages from the field, the line and from 3 AND plays good defense. If we could help the Knicks get Carmelo and give up our pick, the Charlotte pick, and our remaining cap space....I'd do it to get Afflalo.

  • Interesting ...

    It looks like Afflalo's on the Nuggets books for about 2 million ... which would be fairly easy for the Bulls to come up with an offer to balance that out.
    But Afflalo's been one of the Nuggets better players this year. I have to wonder if they'd be willing to get rid of him.
    Does NY have a SG they'd be willing to put in an offer?

    The possibilities intrigue me.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Landry Fields has been one of the players that has been talked about in packages. He's a rookie SG who is also an excellent role player type, and really cheap as a second round pick. If the Nuggets are getting him it's possible that with Afflalo being a free agent they feel it's best to move him now.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Afflalo is a really nice player on his ultra cheap deal, but Denver probably won't love him so much after having to pay him 4-5 million per year this summer which is why I agree there's a good chance he's available if Fields comes in a deal to the Nuggets.

  • Mitchell,

    Sam Young is playing well. And DB is playing well in Greece.

    You look stupid when you try to mock by talent evaluation.

  • Who is ready?

    http://i774.photobucket.com/albums/yy27/kobeowen132/ANTHONYWALL.jpg

  • Although it might be great long *long* term to get rid of Deng's gigantic contract, does it really make sense RIGHT NOW??

    I definitely don't think so; besides Rose, Deng has been the Bulls' best overall player. He's done it on both ends of the court all season for the Bulls, they definitely wouldn't be 19 over .500 without Deng. Even on nights when he failed to be a scoring threat, he grabbed rebounds and played defense. What more can you ask for?

    Sometimes when you want to win, you've got to pay up some money. This Bulls team will NOT contend if we trade Deng for expiring contracts. Absolutely not.

    Also, even if we get rid of him, what big-time free agent is going to be available that fits the Bulls in the coming years? 'Melo is surely going to land in NY, Dwight Howard will either stay in Orlando or go to either LA team (IMO), and we don't need Deron Williams or Chris Paul (when they become FA's.)

    I like Sam Smith, but I don't think this has any legs to it. Sounds sort of like the J.R. Smith rumor a while ago. Don't think there's anything behind it.

  • In reply to SCharania94:

    I don't even think it makes sense long term to get rid of Deng's contract. The realities of the NBA is that you only dump productive players for three reasons: to get under the cap, to tank for draft picks, or because the owner is going broke.

    The Bulls aren't getting under the cap short of blowing up the team, not with Boozer and Noah locked into long term deals and Rose about to sign an extension. Hopefully they're not about to go into tank mode anytime soon either. And the Bulls losing money when they play in a big market, sell out every game and have one of the most popular young players in the NBA in Rose? Not likely.

  • In reply to SCharania94:

    Sam wasn't saying it makes sense, he was saying the opposite, & using that example to illustrate just how crazy GM's are, always wanting something for nothing.

  • Again... I have said before that I would not be surprised if Thibs had his influence on a purposed trade that would get the Bulls Carmelo. Thibs was there when Boston jumped in on the Kevin Garnett trade. Deng has been playing well this year but if the Bulls can get assurance that Melo would sign the extension with the Bulls and a team is willing to take on Deng's contract... they should do the deal. Melo would have to buy into the defensive scheme of the Bulls and the Bulls would be instant contenders for a lot of years to come.

  • None of these trade proposals matter. Only thing that matters is where will Melo sign an extension. That

  • In reply to Edward:

    I really think a rental is most likely, with Melo siging in NYC in the summer.

  • In reply to Edward:

    You are forgetting that Denver can trade him as a rental to any team that will take him.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Only way the Bulls trade for Melo is if he gives us the Okay that he will re-sign. Im pretty positive he would resign here. Our team would be awesome....why wouldnt he re-sign?

  • In reply to Edward:

    4-WAY:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4hjtged

  • If I'm running the show in Denver, there is really only 1 option...Beaubois. "Lightning Rod" Roddy Beaubois coming back in a rent-a Melo. Roddy is going to be better than Favors, better than anything Houston can net them, better than Chandler, Fields, & Galinari put together (and I like Fields a lot). They need to get Rod.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I know Dallas is high on him but he played a grand total of 700 minutes in his rookie season and has been injured all year this year. He's a huge wild card, I can't see any GM taking a risk in taking him over the safer options.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Its not like injury concerns caused him to get only 700 minutes. Plus, it was just a broken foot this year. I know some players have lost their careers to foot injuries, but still, its not a knee injury. He looks like a franchise type player

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I didn't mean his injury limited him to 700 minutes, I mean it's a small sample size. He looked good in limited minutes as a backup, but that doesn't always translate into franchise player. I can see why Dallas has high hopes for him, I just think other teams wont be as keen.

  • Yes, I agree, throw in picks & get Afflalo. JJ, the 11 & the 13

  • Burn! Looks who's lookin stupoid now!

    and don't tell me you brought up Greece...please don't tell me you tried to use Greece to support your argument Chris

  • I'd see if we could get him for JJ, '11, & '13 picks

  • I also would love to get Afflalo. Afflalo and Lee seem like the best fitting somewhat reasonably obtainable players out there.

    Of course, maybe they aren't really obtainable because their present teams love them. It could be like some other fan looking at us and thinking they could get Taj Gibson for a draft pick and cap room or something.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    If the Bulls were at a different stage of development you probably could get Taj for that price. When the whole roster was available he was often only playing 15 minutes a night, it's only because the Bulls are a high playoff seed that we want to keep him.

    I think Lee might be available if the Rockets slump to the point they have no playoff hopes. Afflalo relies on Melo being traded.

  • ........YEAH!!!!!:)

  • I would have said before the season if we got in a position to find a taker for Deng's contract, that we should unload him upon whatever team was silly enough to try and acquire him. Since then, however, he has played his ever loving ass off diving to the hoop and shooting the heck out of the ball, playing really really good defense. Not just passable, mind you, really good D. If you want to get to the hoop, you have to go through Luol's body. Now all of a sudden, the Bulls will no longer just unload him, he is a proven commodity. And I tell you: this has made as much of an impact as Rose's improvement has on the team. I'm so damn pleased with Luol Deng.

  • I think it's a mistake to get rid of Deng. We dropped Hinrich like a bad habit for a shot at that clown LeBron, and now how much do we miss him? The Bulls have a good thing going right now, and need to be careful when messing with this obviously very effective roster.

    I am a big fan of Deng. Yeah, he does have off games, but overall he is an inportant component to this team, and can have a huge impact on any particular game. He is also a standup guy, both on and off the court, and as a Bulls fan I have a bit more pride in the team, and the organization as a whole, having guys like that with good character.

    The grass ain't always greener...

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    Hinrich turned into Brewer an Korver. I was glad we got rid of Klank Hinrich.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    "We dropped Hinrich like a bad habit for a shot at that clown LeBron, and now how much do we miss him?"

    I guess I'd be the second to say "not much".

    As you mention, Brewer + Korver > Hinrich, and if we miss all the wide open bricks and overrated defense, we have Bogans.

  • In reply to saigman:

    lol

  • In reply to saigman:

    Couple names to keep a eye on when draft time comes around.....

    Josh Selby- Kansas...college Freshman with all kinds of skills. Could probably be a lottery pick if he stays. Kind of small as well.

    Jimmer Fredette- BYU...possible player of the year in college

    Nolan Smith - Duke...Pax loves his dukies. Defensive minded guard, can shoot the ball a little bit too. To small imo.

    Kemba Walker-Uconn...probably will be gone but you never know, mocks have him going late rounds...big time college scorer

    Jordan Hamilton- Texas...probably will be gone by our pick

    Renardo Sidney-Mississippi St. HUGE dude with tons of skill, wouldnt mind taking a chance on him in the 2nd round.

    Jeremy Tyler- HS kid that went to Europe...very talented, maybe a lottery pick if he went to college

    David Lighty-Ohio State- 3pt shooter...kind of like Dequen Cook, Rose could find him all kinds of open 3s

    Marshon Brooks- Providence....long lengthy SG

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Lighty seems the most likely to me in terms of skill set, ability to contribute immediately and availability at the Bulls pick. But at the same time there's a reason why he's projected to go in the second round, any sure fire bet to be a good player is going to be gone by the mid to late 20s where the Bulls will be picking, especially if the threat of lockout keeps talent out of the draft.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Please don't say Jimmer Fredette. I don't want the second coming of Wally Sczerbiak on the Bulls.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    IMO, the Bulls are going to have to wait until the offseason to find their new SG. Either through draft or free agency. Who knows...maybe someone will come here for cheap. Reindorf said he will pay in the luxury tax if we have a contender.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Affalo was a 2nd rounder i believe, if the Bulls can make a good draft pick, they can find someone.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    He was a late first, and he wasn't that good in his first couple of years in Detroit.

    The Bulls could draft someone, but the chances of getting someone late in the draft who is good and contributes immediately is pretty low.

  • In reply to BullsMan:

    I agree. Keep him, for now. He's a favorite of Thibs, for good reason, and does much more than just score.

  • We're forgetting that Melo actually would not mind playing for Chicago ... there were reports of him telling his inner circle of agents to reach out to the bulls after the Nets offer was withdrawn. The success of Chicago is a plus in Carmelo's mind. If I'm the bulls I want him to be a free agent ... that might be our best opportunity to signing Carmelo as our success would prompt him to sign with us. A line up of Rose, Carmelo, Deng, Boozer, and Noah would arguably be the best 5 starters the NBA has had since the Jordan led bulls of the 90's.

  • Agree...If Melo was about championships; Houston, Dallas, Clippers and Bulls ...even Portland makes sense. He is like a big addition to talented teams to carry them across. The other thing which is missing in this discussion is both the Lakers and Spurs are aging and next year onwards the west is wide open compared to the East where Orlando, Miami, Chicago, Atlanta will be in the top for a few years.

  • Please read this article:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/warriors/ci_17239364?source=rss&nclick_check=1

    This is the article that Sam Smith read & he twisted what the writer wrote.

    Luol Deng: The Chicago forward would give the Warriors better size and rebounding at that position. He also would be the Warriors' most-efficient scorer at that position in recent memory. Obstacles? Deng is due $40 million over next three seasons. Is he that good? Also, Chicago would probably want Ellis but would have to settle for expiring contracts. Is that enough?

    See - the article is NOT saying that GSW is willing to trade vexpirings - or that they even want Deng. One writer is clearly speculating - but Sam Smith used that speculation to start a "GSW willing to trade expirings for Deng" rumor

  • Those are some nice stats. Glad someone is telling it like it is.

  • Don't forget this brilliant bit of insight from Melo:

    "If I sit here and say I'm willing to lose 15 or 20 million dollars, I'd be lying to you. But at the same time this has never been about money.

  • Charlotte

  • Luol Deng has looked better as a 3rd option on offense, he's better suited for that role. If Bulls can somehow acquire a good SG, Deng will be even better suited as the 4th option. Deng's a good solid player, just overpaid. But SF is not our weakness its SG. Keep Deng, get a SG.

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