BullsBeat #173 - Down goes Miami!

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Bulls Beat #173 - Down goes Miami!

The Bulls beat the Miami Heat and take three of their four games over the week. A lot of discussion about the heat game, the rest of the week, the upcoming week, what's wrong with Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose for MVP and why Chris Bosh is such a pussy.

  

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  • bogans passes the ball pretty well.

  • I don't know about Doug, but I'd be pissed if Derrick doesn't start in the All-Star game. It's something that helps his stock league wide on foul calls, respect for his team in the playoffs etc. And more importantly he wants to start in that game. What would this team be without Derrick Rose? Honestly.. not very good. So if you are a Bulls fan Rose gives you huge entertainment, and a reason to watch Bulls games. I think we owe it to him to care if his wishes on being an All-Star starter are fulfilled especially when he more then deserves it.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I think Derrick deserves to start, but relative to other all-star voting issues in the past, I can't get too worked up about it.

    It's far from the most egregious all-star voting error.

  • Also, on Boozer in that Miami game. Maybe I'm being a bit harsh, but I expect Boozer for his talents to provide more then he did in a marquee game like this. When he was signed at his press conference he was being somewhat of a wise ass asking 'Pax' and 'Gar' questions showing no deference to them as a new player on the team appearing with management.

    That type of thing just bespeaks somewhat of a clown to me. Now he horns in on D-Rose's huddle quick pep talks shouting over him. And then during this huge game he just traveled and made choke shots in the arms of defenders instead of using fakes and slithering for open shots as he has the ability to do. A bit of a choke if you ask me.

    This may sound harsh, but I do view Booz(falling over his gym bag and breaking his finger aside) as somewhat of a gladhander. The guy who talks it up with leadership and enumerating team goals, but then similar to the guy that gets everyone to volunteer for a weekend project rah, rah, rah.. and you find yourselves all there, and then he doesn't show up, "Sorry guys, flat tire, can't make it."

    Boozer's playoff numbers are good with three of the four years at 23, 20, and 20ppg on over .500 percent shooting, and about 12 rebounds a game. So maybe I'm being too harsh. But he made me sick the way he played in that game.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I tend to agree with your view on Boozer. I think he talks a bigger game than he brings when it comes to leadership.

    He has shown up big for big games in the past, and struggled in others. In the end, he has to play a more finesse style against guys who have a lot more size/length though, so he's goign to struggle at time.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Get real...just because you pay someone a gizzlion dollars, does not mean he will produce each and every night...compared to others, his contract is modest...besides he is older and did play the night before...not making any execuses, but think then YOUR expectations are misaligned with reality...priceless though..

  • Finally, if you compare the Bulls right now to say OKC you'll see their bench guys are shooting like .460 and up right now. And the Bulls with historically solid to good field goal percentage guys in C.J., Kyle, and Taj are shooting anywhere from .430 to .360. Guys have just been played out of where they are comfortable(C.J. SG and Taj no designed post ops) and had their minutes slashed. Thibs offensively is managing an increasingly offensively stagnant team not reminiscent of one with playoff success, and a contending future.

    And by the way Deng just shows you in big games like that why tired or not he's a solid to good player, but a star by no mean. Somebody who can hurt you with mistakes and dissapear in big situations especially second halfs and fourth quarters.

  • 1. Bulls have to use JJ or somebody who is a pesky defender who can spell Brewer in defending elite SGs/SFs. Deng isn't quick enough to defend his man and also help out and then provide offense, rebounding etc.. JJ on Wade for a few minutes(10-15 mins)would have maybe helped slow down Wade a little bit. Obviously, Wade was in a zone yesterday but somebody who shoots streaky 3 pointers like that gives us hope because it is difficult to replicate that.

    2. Asik and Taj have to play more against teams which don't have quick, physical players like Miami doesn't. It looks like the PF FAgents last year all had issues(Amare ---knee, Boozer--no defense, Bosh---no testosterone, Lee-- no defense)...Hopefully, Noah helps out Booz and we can just use Booz's offense.
    3. Boston is going to mentally torture the Heat especially Bosh in the playoffs if they meet...I guess even Noah will mentally torment Bosh if the Bulls meet Miami.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Booz could also be used as trade bait if his defense does not improve over the next year or two before he starts to decline and the Bulls can keep Taj.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    if they wanted to explore that, they better do it very, very quietly

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Yep that's why I say within the next year or two cause honestly I can't see Boozer getting any better on defense and Boozer would bring in some very good players if he was to be used in a trade.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    cant have your cake and eat it too...low post scoring and Ben Wallace Defense...get real...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I don't think we should start thinking of trading Boozer right now. He does play good offense and tries to make some effort on defense(although not with great results). We need his offense and it is upto Thibs to use Noah and schemes to help out Boozer's deficiencies on defense. Our current issues even with Noah is generating offense and we can't trade our best inside scoring option. He is not a perfect player and the Bulls have to work around it rather than trying to trade him.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree they shouldn't think about trading Boozer now but in a year or two if his overall game does not improve, it should be something that the bulls maybe consider with him getting older and starting to decline.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It is like a chicken and egg situation again. His value will go down as he gets older and what we will get in exchange for a big contract is nothing. We couldn't get much in return for a younger Deng. Plus, where will find a veteran PF who can score inside again. We struggled to find one for a long time now. If we have to contend, we need veterans and not young guys. Even guys like Taj will not work unless you have studs at the other 4 positions. Also, Boozer's offense is not built on athleticism and he will not lose it badly as he gets older.
    So, I would say GarPax will not even think of trading Boozer.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    its always possible cause IMO they really shouldn't want to keep Boozer til he's 33 or 34 of course unless the Bulls manage to win a championship before then.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think Booz could be an effective older player b/c he really doesn't rely on his athleticism as much as his deftness & craftiness. As long as he can use the left hand with a mirror image of his strong hand, and to shield off with his big body, he will still be able to score

  • In reply to Reese1:

    don't the Bulls have to play JJ even a little once they play the Heat with LeBron? If Deng gets too many minutes against James, he will likely get into foul trouble. Brewer will have his hands full with Wade, you almost need JJ to play a little.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    JJ on LeBron was tried last playoffs, the results were a foul fest. I'd try Watson on Wade and Brewer on LeBron if Deng has to go to the bench before I brought JJ into the game.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    The problem is Brewer might have the quickness but probably doesn't have the strength of LeBron, Deng or JJ. Hopefully, JJ has improved and has learnt something from Pippen and Thibs. But we will not know anything unless we test him out..There is something going on in practice with JJ which we do not know.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Brewer seems strong enough to me, he's not a bulky guy but he's pretty toned. I looked it up and he did 19 bench presses on the pre draft measurements, JJ 18 and Deng 5.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    No one has both the size and speed to keep up with LeBron, that's why he's so awesome.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    JJ has been on LeBron several times, he's been murdered at times, but he was also highly successful at times too.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    Yes, and he was also a rookie, and a player that challenged LeBron, and pissed LeBron off in a way that Michael would have been pissed off when someone tried trash talking with him

    my point is you only have so many fould for guys who get bailed out so much in LeBron, Wade, & Bosh, and only so many guys who would be considered good individual defenders, or good athletes

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    that was last year when jj was not in shape and a rookie...after that... JJ worked on his game over the summer and lost like 3o pounds....he also seemed quicker and full of energy in the few momemts he did play....what the harm....

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    1. I still believe Boozer is a better fit to our team than Bosh. Bosh practically faces up and shot long jumpers, and it doomed him... As a Bulls fan, I'm not complaining. But Bosh did very little posting up, and Boozer was a big cause if that. Boozer is a bruiser in the paint. We knew what we were getting when we signed him, and its not like Bosh is a defensive stopper either.

    2. As far as the 2 guard situation, I agree with Doug. We need to play Brewer more. Unless we have a legit shot at Mayo, we need to just play with what we have. We haven't played with our team completely healthy, and we're still doing pretty damn good...

    My issues with this team is the fact that we seem to regularly play down to our opponents. We need to go full throttle on teams we should beat as if they were the Celtics or Heat. We need to play Bogans less and play Brewer and JJ more. We also need to be more effective in the half court. It seems as if as soon as Rose gets the ball, the team stops moving and expects him to make magic. And while he's capable, its going to allow teams to trap him easier. Overall I'm really happy with our play, but we need to let the league know, and that only happens by making statements... Oh yeah, and the refs suck...

  • In reply to RC360:

    Bosh misses about 10 games a year on average, Boozer misses about 20. Boozer is a slightly better fit when he's on the court, but I'd take Bosh over him, especially when you consider Bosh is 2 years younger and will still be at his peak at the end of his contract where as Boozer might be declining.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If we had Bosh, who shies away from the post, than we have no post presence. Noah isn't a post player, and Gibson really isn't either. This leaves Rose in a much more vulnerable spot, and it puts more offensive pressure on him as well. I understand the youth/contract argument, but as far as fit I still think Boozer fits better.

  • In reply to RC360:

    I think to a large extent it matters that you get scoring from your front court, not the form it takes. Bosh would certainly help Rose out, you can't leave Bosh alone to double Rose any more than you can leave Boozer alone, and if anything he has the range to drag his man further away from the basket than Boozer does.

  • In reply to RC360:

    I think people overstate how much Bosh avoids contact. He's not a back a guy down player, he's a face up player, but he draws about 70% more fouls per minute than Boozer.

  • In reply to DougThonus:

    I agree, but he is fragile mentally, Rodman would have had a field day with this guy

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    our needs dictate that we NEEDED a low post player...not some player who stays out of the paint and fragile...more so than boozer... boozer is a better fit overall....with Bosh we would be a jump shooting team all over again and that was not our goal when acquiring a power forward...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    so who to trade for to get low post scoring and spectacular defense!@#$%^&..... His real value is in the playoffs when our horriffic shooting gets even worst...and dont forget we have not played healthy consistly yet either....Noah will be providing the anchor to the defense....trade Boozer...LMAO....pricess less material....keep it coming...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    As they said about Boozer in Utah.....typical

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Think it's going to be tough to move Boozer given his contract. He could easily be the next Elton Brand.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    noah shut down the best pf in the nba. If we're at full strength, i'm not afraid of bosh. I'm afraid of lebron and wade. If noah's the key to beating the heat is boozer's defense.

    yeah if boozer plays as he normally does, we could always use noah on bosh. IF noah's concentrating on bosh, who are we going to use as a help defender? taj would be a good option, but then we loose boozer's offense. Boozer's far too slow to be a good help defender.

    If boozer isable to defend bosh really well, we could allow noah to roam on defense. hopefully it'll stop penetration for wade and lebron.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Our team defense WITH Noah is better than Miami's...Defending Bosh means being outside of the lane, which Boozer/Taj can do when Noah is gaurding the paint...Even Taj did an excellent job on Bosh...Wade can be limited to his average with a taller player, but Lebron will the real challange as we will need a tripple power forward and their fouls to contain him a bit...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    JJ would have had Wade on the line every trip down the floor, he's not going to be quick enough to do anything but hack him as he flies past.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Completely agree that whether Rose starts the all-star game or not is a non-issue. Over on a Celtics blog I was reading half their fans are glad that Rose has passed Rondo because it means Rondo will play less, which IMO is the right perspective. Rose plays big minutes in real games, why make him play more on his weekend off.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I disagree a little bit on this. It is not like playing as a starter or as a reserve on the all-star team makes that much of a difference in terms of effort or physical wear and tear. There is no hard defense being played except for the last few minutes. These guys should be able to handle that.
    Plus, the publicity as a starter gives him some leverage and recognition for getting foul calls(which has been one of his big issues) as RW mentioned in an earlier post.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Maybe true, the numbers show he did get more fouls called after his all star appearance last year, although whether the two are related is hard to prove.

  • he's a bit slow to guard the 2 effectively. he wasn't great last year. there are better players out there that we could trade our picks for. furthermore there's a chance we could find an adequate guard/shooter in the draft. Let's not forget we're not searching for a star. we're searching for a 4/5 option. you can draft one of those out of the blue. ie landry fields.

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