Bulls told not to bother pursuing Anthony

Sam Smith chimes in with what really makes the most sense:

The Bulls, by the way, remain interested in Anthony and have been all
season. They have been in contact with the Nuggets and Anthony's
representatives regularly.

They have mostly been told not to bother, though you never know. But as we know it's never over until it's over.

So why not keep trying? I've heard the Bulls did sign up for one of
those mobile phone unlimited call and text deals. Sweet. Call the
Nuggets and agent Leon Rose as much as you want and it doesn't cost
extra.

From what I have heard from my sources who may or may not know,
certainly every bit as good as theirs, is Anthony only wants to play for
the Knicks. I have often written if he wants to win his best chance is
playing with a Bulls team that includes Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer.

For whatever personal reason, and I do hear it's mostly that, Anthony
wants to play for the Knicks. He basically told the Nets and Nuggets
that, which finally ended months of rumors which, now we know, had no
real basis.

This I believe. 

The Bulls are interested, Anthony is not, and the Bulls don't have the pieces.  Hope it proves out that I'm wrong, but that's how I see it too.

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  • What I'd like to see:
    1. Bulls wait until Boozer and Noah are both healthy and have a few games to work together. The we see how good the Bulls really are.
    2. We get someone young on a contract that can be later moved on if the trade does not work out for a SG position. Enter C. Lee from Houston.
    3. Anthony decides to finish a season with Denver without an extension thus proving that all he wants to do is win. Then he decides between NY and Chicago. I player like him in a championship team will make up the lost money in endorsements. etc. If he can be on a team that year in and year out denies Heat the NBA finals he'll be the proverbial hero and favorite.

  • I am reposting this....
    One thing going against/for renting Melo is the franchising aspect in the new CBA. So, if Houston or Dallas gets Melo now...they can just franchise him and he is stuck there even if he doesn't want to sign long term...Any thoughts?

  • Bulls don't need him

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    We need his scoring

  • In reply to calle3:

    BIGTIME....Rose an Booz can only do so much. And i just have a hard time counting on Deng to keep up the scoring. Especailly since he doesnt create for himself very well. Alot of his points come from Rose finding him WIIIDE open.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    That's exactly what we need, someone to get points within the flow of the offense. Noah functions in the same way as Deng, and so does Brwer & Korver. This is not fantasy basketball, there is only 1 ball. Rose & Boozer are both primarily scorers, you don't need 3. If you can steal him, sure you do it. But you don't have the depth then to win at least this year. He is not worth giving Noah up.

    2 scorers creating for themself, + Noah creating scoring with his passing, & Thibs creating with his play calling, 2 guys able to consistently draw a double team...that is more than enough. Like I said, just need 1 more shooter/wing defender.

  • In reply to calle3:

    No we don't, we need another shooter/wing defender, but we don't even need that desperately.

    Doesn't matter anyways, he wants New York & New York only (so much for wanting to be a winner). Plus the Bulls don't have even close enough to the peices needed.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Exactly. All this conjecture on how he'd fit here is moot and pointless. He doesn't want to come here. I kept writing yesterday that he only wants to play in NY. He's going there one way or the other.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Deng- 17.8 ppg 5.9reb 2ast +16EFF 45%FG 34%3pt

    Melo- 23.5ppg 8.1reb 2ast +21EFF 43%FG 26%3pt

    I mean, looking at the numbers, Luol isnt to far behind Melo. Luol's rebounding numbers could actually be in the 7-8 area if we didnt have such a good rebounding team. (Booz,Noah,Taj) Plus they would be getting a very nice bigman in Taj, who could very well start for many teams in this league. And then also 3 draft picks to a rebuilding team in Denver. Its not like Denver will be signing any big time free agents if Melo leaves, so taking on Deng's contract might not be that bad for them. Who knows.

    Bulls on the other hand, get another legit scorer, which we need. A allstar every year that is also healthy every year. And a lot of Dengs points come from others creating for him. Melo can create for himself plus knock down wide open jumpers. If we have to take back JR SMith or Harrington....thats fine. If they dont work out, in the offseason look for potential trades for them. Other teams like Harrington an SMith. Im sure we could find a suitor for them if they dont work out.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    good point, especially considering melo doesn't play defense, but with melo comes marketability

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Donnie Walsh has said and most agree that the Knicks need a center. Marc Gasol and Dwight Howard are often mentioned.
    Can they afford Melo and a 1st class center? I suppose it comes down to how much Anthony wants to play in NY. Will he work cheap?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'll stick w/ my sources over Sam Smith's opinions for his blog.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The green dancing bear you saw while high on acid one night doesn't count as a source.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    lol...or was it crack?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You have no sources. You are a douchey mcdouchington.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Mappy Lad;
    What do you sources still say on the Dwayne Wade front? I'm guessing if your sources are right both Wade and Melo will be coming to Chicago in a multi team trade.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    http://twitter.com/christomasson/status/28201287686295552

    = Chicago Bulls

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If Melo wants to win a championship the Clippers are a better fit than the Bulls given the existing team structure and what they'd have to give up to get him.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I look forward to seeing you eat a huge helping of crow. Don't choke on the bones.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Sam Smith may be a daffy old man, but at least he is not a delusional narcisist not yet released from the looney bin.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Sam smith is alot of things but he is definittly plugged into the Bulls org.

    If he reports this he is not gonna lie. Anthony just doesnt want to be a Bull. Makes sense. He wents to go Home. Im sure Rose would do the same.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    I dont think Sam Smith knows anything really. He has his sources, but i also think he is more times wrong then right.

    If your Carmelo Anthony....why wouldnt you want to play in Chicago? If he lands here with Booz,Rose an Noah still on the roster....the Bulls are a title contender every single year.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Because winning is not his priority. It's location first, and that is in another city. Simple as that.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    So is just about everybody else in our 24/7 media obsessed world.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    What sam does lie about is his crazy trade ideas and who he would like to see play for chicago. Like monta ellis. But when it comes to sources Sam Smith>>>>>>>>>>K.C. and Mike McGraw and Anyone else.

    In reality

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Sigh once again Bulls overvaluing their players. Defensive centers available in free agency 2011:
    Kendrick Perkins
    Tyson Chandler
    Nene
    Pryzbilla
    Samuel Dalembert

    All capable of doing what Noah does but I guess the Bulls just don't wanna win right now. Guess I have to wait a couple more years before we become a title contender. :(

  • In reply to calle3:

    Did you really just compare Pryzbilla and chandler to Noah?

    None of those guys can defend and run the floor like Noah does. Noah is actually a legit threat from the perimeter now. No, noah is better than all of those guys. Lets get real. And we couldnt afford them regardless even if we traded Noah.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Dude, free agency is irrelevant to us unless those players would sign for the MLE. And thats assuming the MLE is still around. Big guys usually get way overpaid, you can bet that Nene and Chandler will definitely be above the MLE, the others are questionable.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    If we can afford Rose, Melo, Boozer and Noah, we will be able to afford Rose, Melo, Boozer and any of those centers. Most of them will probably be cheaper also.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Oh man if they do away with the MLE then Miami would be royally screwed. No more adding a good role player every year for the MLE, no pay, no one would want to go to miami.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    That is the conundrum that Bulls fans face, give up our ability to get better, but prevent Miami from getting the best available MLE guy every year, and getting better and better every year.

    WE pretty much have to hope that the MLE goes away.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Given history shows the majority of MLE signings are horrible wastes of money, I doubt whether the MLE stays or goes affects anyone's championship chances much. If it goes it'll no doubt save owners from themselves a bit though.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Malo Melo,

    Couldn't resist (a little Latin/Spanish, a little Melo, a little alliteration)...

    Why on earth would we pursue someone who would rather lose in the Big Apple then win in the Windy City?

    I wish Carmelo Anthony well. But even if we acquired him somehow, if his heart isn't into playing for the Chicago Bulls, why do we want him?

    Can anyone remember a major sports acquisition where an athlete went stubbornly to a town he didn't want and became a major success? In any sport?

  • In reply to calle3:

    Kendrick Perkins cannot rebound, pass, or score like Noah. He's actually a terrible passer. Like everyone on this list pretty much. Nene is probably the best of that bunch, but putting an injury retread like Pryzbilla and Dalembert? Really? Sam Dalembert? Shoulda just stopped with the original four. You would have retained some credibility then.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    And Noah hasn't been injured every year since he's been here? We wouldn't need our center to pass or score if we had Melo.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Boozer misses a lot of games too. The point is Noah was healthy 'n the playoffs last year. 7 feet tall or being uber-athletic doesn't mean guys can play championship level basketball. That's why guys like that become journeymen for a while while going out of the league. Noah is not that and he is missing only a part of the season this year and last year missed 10/12 games...C'mon.., you can't be serious saying Noah Vs Melo here...it is apples to oranges comparison.

  • In reply to calle3:

    If you're counting missing a couple of games as injured every season, the last time Melo has had an injury free season is his rookie season.

  • In reply to calle3:

    So Chris Brossaurd just did a a Melo update on espn. No mention of Chicago whatsoever. He says its between New York and Houston. Look guys theres no way we can give up Noah for Melo and still think we can compete with Boston and the Lakers. Maybe an equal to the Heatles but even the Heatles arent gonna get through Boston. Can we even trade Noah considering that he just signed an extention? I dont think we can. So I think its good the Bulls arent getting into this media game that the Nuggets are playing right now. The Bulls need less distractions possible. Maybe they try and jump in at the last minute but hey if the guy wants New York so be it. I dont want anyone that dont wanna play for my city anyway.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    From what I read, you can trade Noah, but he only counts as a little more than 3 million on the Bulls outgoing cap, but would count the 10.6 or whatever on the incoming team's cap; making the degree of difficulty pretty high.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Chandler was once almost capable of almost doing what Noah does defensively, while stinking offensively, but that was years ago. Perkins is a good defender but certainly isn't going to give you much offensively and probably benefits from playing next to KG. Nene is an offensive, not defensive, center. Pryzbilla and Dalembert have always been crap, the types of players who if they weren't 7 foot tall they'd have no business being on a basketball court.

    Noah is easily better than all of them by a bigger margin than Melo is better than Deng.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Plus NOah is now a base year guy, so trading him is almost impossible, for the Bulls he only counts at his current salary while for the team gettting him he counts at his future salary, basically the Bulls get nickels and dimes on the dollar for him now that he has signed his new contract.

  • In reply to calle3:

    Its down to whats a better deal for the Nuggets...

    Deng top 10 SF, Taj Gibson (cheap replacement for Kenyon Martin,who is a free agent next year i believe) and possibly 3 1st round draft picks. 2 Bulls picks and our Bobcats pick.

    OR

    Gallanari and Landry Fields + draft picks an a big contract like Eddy Curry.

    Bulls have a shot imo. And if we can keep Rose,Booz an Noah on this roster an get Melo....we are title contenders every single year. The Bulls could also get back JR Smith or Al Harrington in a potential deal. Bulls can make it work, we just have to get a little creative.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Fields is better for his position than Gibson, but Deng is better than Gallinari, overall it's about even talent wise but the Knicks players are younger with more potential. Advantage Knicks.

    Contract wise Curry is expiring, Deng has 3 years left. The other players are on their rookie deals. Advantage Knicks.

    Taking on junk contracts like Al "Buckets" Harrington for expirings, the Knicks have the contracts to make it work salary wise, the Bulls don't. Advantage Knicks.

    Pick wise the Knicks picks are likely to be better than the Bulls picks, since their current record is worse, and they're allegedly obtaining an unprotected pick from another team in 2012. Could change if the Bobcats pick works out to be a deep lottery pick, but that doesn't happen until 2016, by which time the Nuggets will likely be onto a new GM, so no incentive to Masai Ujiri. Depending on how you want to spin it, even or advantage Knicks.

    The Knicks offer equals or trumps the Bulls in every possible way.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Actually the Bulls can get a third team involve and send the Nuggets an expiring contract and young talent. Portland, Phoenix, Minnesota, LA Clippers, Cleveland, and Dallas are all potential trade partners.

    Why would they want Fields over Gibson. The Nuggets need a starting PF next year when K-Mart leaves. Plus they don't need Fields, they've got Afflalo. I also think Fields is overrated.
    Deng>Gallanari or Chandler
    Gibson>Fields
    Bulls Picks+Bobcats Pick>Knicks Picks

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Except that the KNicks have no tradable first round picks until the 22nd century.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    If they can trade Randolph for a pick they do.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Speaking of Noah and trades, speaking hypothetically, how about Noah, some picks and some filler for free-agent-to-be Dwight Howard (assuming it becomes clear he wants no more part of the Magic)???

    Rose + Boozer + Howard would seem to be a pretty good match against the Heat, Celtics or Lakers.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Speaking in terms of a future trade, not one for this season, just to be clear.

  • All this trade speculation has missed the point.
    The only thing that matters is which team Carmelo chooses to sign with. That's it. That's all of it! Denver has no power here.

    I believe it will play out exactly like Bosh and LeBron. Carmelo tells Denver to pound sand regarding all their trade proposals cause he is signing with the Knicks even if it means less money. Then Denver reluctantly agrees to a S&T for minimal return - so Denver gets a little something and Carmelo gets his big money.

    This doesn't have to happen by February 24, this can take place in June because Melo is NOT an expiring contract. Rather Melo has the option to opt out of his Denver 2011-12 commitment. He has not opted out yet and doesn't have to until June.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Agree, I think the package Denver ends up getting is more along the lines of what Toronto got for Bosh. Although the more that I think about it I don't even remember if Toronto actually did a minimal sign and trade? I think I was so devastated by the Wade/Bosh news that I blocked everything from that time out.

  • Sam Smith doesn't really have much credibility. hes wrong far more often than hes right.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    He wanted Monta Ellis to match up with Rose not to long ago. A great exciting team yes....but thats not going to win you a championship.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Yea, Ellis and his 26 ppg would really suck right now next to Rose, instead we get our daily dose of the missing link(Bogans).

    Ellis is like a billion times better Ben Gordon, and half of you guys want him back.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    He's right on this one. Just watch.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    He thinks Wilt Chamerlain is the best center of all-time, enough said

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    but he is right here

    Melo is going to end up in New York, not matter what. He will tell the Nuggets of his intentions, then Denver will decide if they want to get anything from New York at the deadline, or to just do a sign and trade during FA to get picks & to have the cap room & a large trade exception. Either that or they can get Galinari, Chandler, maybe Fields, couple poor future picks

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    And?

  • Doug, why are pessimist ?? Melo said earlier in the season that he will only sign an extension with NY or Chicago.
    Otherwise, if the nuggets restart discussions with bulls, maybe they are ok to not to have Noah in return.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Exactly

  • In reply to deewaves:

    It's not being pessimistic, it's simply reality. Melo only wants to play in NY. The sooner fans move on, the better.

  • Schizophrenia and talking to yourself does not count as a source.

  • I think Doug kind of took Sam Smith's statements in the wrong context..

    "From what I have heard from my sources who may or may not know, certainly every bit as good as theirs, is Anthony only wants to play for the Knicks."

    This really comes across as saying Sam Smith is deducing that from what he's heard all along that Melo isn't interested in Chicago. That being opposed to saying that Melo has responded in the past few days to the WWW Chicago rumors by reiterating that he doesn't want to play for the Bulls.

    Sam says "They have mostly been told not to bother, though you never know" Which goes to say that as the Bulls have checked back with Denver and Melo's guys all season they've been given that impression.

    Doug's entry title of "Bulls told not to bother pursuing Anthony" is misleading as it would lead you to believe that Sam heard that Melo/Melo's people have said as much in the past few days. Since WWW pushing Melo on Chicago is a new rumor anything prior to that rumor is irrelevant. What I believe Sam IS saying is why would Melo all of a sudden be down for Chicago if he has told them not to bother all season? And I think I can answer that question.

    First of all Melo was put off when the Bulls said NAH to Denver's requests for JoNo, this has been documented by Sam Smith himself. This type of feeling led Melo to tell Chicago to go F itself, but time heals all wounds and its likely Melo is over those negative feelings towards the Bulls. Second, look at the situation from Melo's standpoint. He obviously wants New York, first and foremost, but he also wants the money, and he wants to win. How can he have the Knicks, the money, and winning? By New York making a trade with Denver, but at the same time doing so without losing too much. As I'm sure Melo's people have told him, the likelihood of Denver accepting a trade from New York that doesn't vastly decimate NY's talent isn't very high. So Melo is pissed, and like the million air child that he is, he wants his way badly. Melo's rep's job is to get him a trade that is as close to possible to what he wants. Enter the Bulls, a team that(with NJ out) has a better trade package than NY. Now this is the main point and I'll be done. I'm not saying NY isn't willing to part with a better package than the Bulls, the key is that Melo won't sign with NY if that better trade package leaves NY stripped of its talent. So the package that Melo would find acceptable from NY from a talent left over standpoint, isn't as good as the Bulls trade package that would leave him with Noah, Boozer, Rose, and himself. This is the reason that WWW is pushing for Chicago, and its also why its not ridiculous to think that Melo is NOW considering it. Also look at it from Denver's perspective, if Melo won't go to New York for their current offer because of the talent loss, Denver has to favor Chicago's deal because going past the deadline without a trade will force them to make a sign and trade(much like Bosh/Lebron) in the offseason that will undoubtedly be far worse than the Bull's package.

    So all due respect to Sam Smith, and I'm not saying I think its likely we get him, but I am saying its more plausible at this point than ever. Sam is drawing conclusions from the way the situation has appeared in the past months, while he should be looking at the situation as it stands now from the perspective of those who hold the cards.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Well written....
    Denver has no leverage at all. Melo will sign the extention with the team he wants to get traded to. That's why New Jersey is out of the race. Money is important to Melo but at the end of the day he wants to win titles. So between the Bulls and the Knicks, who gives him the best chance to win? the Bulls. Who has a better package? the Bulls.

    You can't ignore the fact that Melo and Thibs are under the same agency and he's sign with the Jordan brand.

  • And Gordon would be a pretty damn good third option. Also I think Griffin is young enough that it's possible he becomes a much better defender than he currently is.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If he wants to win a championship than he wouldn't go to New York, the Nuggets are in better shape than the Knicks.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    i honestly dont understand why theres even been a glint of plausibility for this trade... (aside from the fact that melo doesn't want to come and thats really all that this hinges on in the first place) there doesn't exist a healthy in between in terms of the players the bulls would have to give up, we lack the mid-level talent to really execute any sort of blockbuster trade that doesn't involve a player that we consider to be untradable

  • Reality Bites, Chicago loses, again.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    If Melo gets traded to New York and that makes Afflalo available, Chicago might come out the big winners in this whole thing.

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