Bulls injury updates; Boozer likely out Thursday; Noah on schedule

Per KC Johnson:

Boozer attended Tuesday's game and received pregame treatment.

"He hasn't been able to do anything basketball-wise," coach Tom Thibodeau said. "The swelling is down. He's moving without a limp. Once (trainer Fred Tedeschi) clears him, he'll be back out there. We just want to be smart about that and make sure he's completely healthy."

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Along those lines, it's unlikely Boozer will return Thursday to match up against Dirk Nowitzki
when the Mavericks are in town. Though Boozer is listed as day-to-day,
several in the organization expressed concern he will miss all four
games this week. The Bulls face the Cavaliers on Saturday.

Pinning it down: The exact game Joakim Noah
will return from surgery to repair a torn ligament in his right thumb
remains unknown. Noah will get his pin removed Jan. 25, which will
accelerate his rehabilitation schedule.

"That will help me get the hand and thumb stronger," Noah said. "I'm pleased with where I am now."

After his surgery Dec. 16, the team estimated Noah would be sidelined
eight to 12 weeks. A late February or early March return remains the
best estimate.

"He's at every practice," Thibodeau said. "He's
working out. He's doing everything he should do. ... He has been doing
some stuff with basketball, working on his left hand. Everything is on
schedule."

Sorry for the lack of game recap, but my wifi-device for the train isn't working which is taking away all of my regular blog writing time.  I hope to have a solution shortly.

As for this quick news, I find it interesting that K.C. Johnson continues to say Late February to early March as the best guess estimate, but then say everything is on schedule.   8 weeks is February 11th, 10 is February 25th, and 12 is March 11th.   K.C. has typically been hinting at an 11-12 week timeline for return as he's usually noted March as the month Noah will get back.

Is there reason to think that Noah is going to come in at the late end of the timeframe rather than the early one?   It will take as long as it takes to heal.   No knock on Noah if he's out until March, that's just the way it will go.  However, I think it odd that we'd call that the "normal" timeline.   It'd be just as normal for him to come back Feb 11th.

As for Boozer, well no surprise if he's out for Thursday, the initial reports made that seem likely.   Hopefully we get him back for the Saturday game. 

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  • Taj has provided amazing defense which we really need but we sure lack the scoring Boozer provides and the energy and up tempo Noah brings! These last few games without both have been hard to watch but we should be won both! The Bobcats were flat as well last night and Deng, KK, also CJ needed to step up which if they did just a little we would of won.
    This was a game especially where starting KK along Rose for his shooting would have been the difference!
    I hate how stubborn Thibs is to taking Bogans out of the starting lineup! I mean when we don't have Noah or Boozer...especially Boozer's scoring we need KK to hopefully catch fire like he did in the Memphis game where we spread the floor well.

    Come on Thib's adjust to the situation especially with our bigs being out!!!!

  • Hey Chiry, do u understand now why we don't praise lu deng ??
    After having 28 pts yesterday with 11/17, he went 2/11 with 10 pts against charlotte.
    Do u feel me ??
    Deng is too irregular !!! that's why he is underrated. He need to be more constant. 7

  • In reply to deewaves:

    i'm fairly certain you mean overrated. this is the second time you've posted this.

  • I think that when Booz comes back we need to find Taj more minutes... I am wondering if we could try him at the 3 in spurts he has no problem guarding stretch 4's... I think defensively he is just a good as Deng and when he is feeling it his mid range game is awesome.... It would give Deng some much needed rest and Taj seems unlike Kurt to where he cant just jump into a game and be successful playing low minutes

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I agree that despite his limitations Taj is being underutilized by Thibodeau. He should be getting 28 minutes minimum with Kurt 38 yr old "the past not the future" Thomas(who has played well overall) sitting his butt on the bench for playoff emergency/miracle moment spot role. And Boozer for the long term good of the team playing some center to round out his minutes while Taj is not lost/supplanted as a defensively vital and offensively legit post up option.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I forgot to mention one of the best ways to handle doubling i.e Reggie Miller and Wade would do is toss the ball to the big/screen, and agressively get past one of the double teaming players inlcuding grabbing their jersey/arm to push off/rip past them. The players and refs are so flustered by the balls to fight past the double this way and give up the ball to a teammate that they almost will never call you for an offensive foul on that play. It is really as much as anything(until Joakim returns to be the slipping screen to the basket/big with the ball handling skills to pull it off with lethal effect) the best way to handle the hyper extended/exaggerated double teams.

    It makes me sick how we pussed out, and just let Charlotte get away with that Rileyesque hyper exaggerated bullying cheap ass ploy. Wooden, Chuck Daly, or any fundamentally sound coach on any level would be spinning in their grave getting beat by such a cheap tactic.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    My dad is an orthopedic surgeon....he says when the pin comes out the healing process REALLY picks up. He said this injury should be healed in 8 weeks but give it 10 weeks to be safe with a professional athlete. Earliest return will be February 17th vs San Antonio but I think Noah returns first game after the AS break @ Toronto.

  • In reply to sukid09:

    Sounds reasonable. Thanks for the info.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Damn orthopedic surgeon told me my hip would be good by now. Oh well, at least I have lots of time off work to post on Thonus' awesome blog. Great info, now all we need is a unnamed general manager to drop in here now and then to hint around Nick Young to keep Mr. Happy wet.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    That's a good idea, and one that I hadn't thought of. I'd mostly been thinking about how to pair up Boozer and Gibson at the 4 and 5, but that wouldn't work (discussed before). But I think Taj could play the 3 to give Deng some more rest and it would help out with the interior defending (if we go up against Boston with Perkins, Big Baby, etc). I just fear that Deng will run out of gas come playoffs.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Am I the only one who is starting to get that little grain in the back of my head about Boozer's injuries? I know that the first one was somewhat of a freak accident (and I doubt any of us will actually know what happened) but Utah didn't seem that upset when he left, and he has suffered minor injuries like this before. I know I'm probably looking too much into this, but that little thought popped up in my head and it's been bugging me.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    people starting to realize that this is the most injury prone team in the nba, and has no chance at a title? boozer,Noah,Deng will all be continually hurt for their entire careers,just like they have been for the majority of their careers so far.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    C'mon....Wade has been hurt a lot in his career as has been Bosh. Wade missed the entire training camp and now Bosh/LeBron are missing games. Garnett missed a lot of games and Perkins has been out from last year. Injuries happen and luckily we don't have any season-ending injury like Portland(who just lost Camby BTW)..
    The loss yesterday was more to do with fatigue more than injury. They put the effort on defense but tired legs were not able to finish some shots. They don't have more than 2 back-to-backs in the next one month...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Portland is horribly injury prone. I am of the mind that Brandon Roy will never play at his all star level again because of crippling knee problems. In BOTH knees.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    What big contract are the knicks trying to trade right now to match Melo? Anyone know?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Eddy Curry's expiring.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    yes...injuries do happen,especially when you sign guys who are constantly hurt. Wades and Bosh have missed less games combined than Luol Deng has missed by himself in his career. the bulls management is terrible, and the fans will defend it like its amazing no matter what they do. no matter how many times other teams complete those trades to get better,no matter how many times the bulls have to settle on C and D class free agents, bulls management always gets a pass.Noah has been hurt 3 of the 4 years hes played in the nba, and they were all major injuries. yet we can't trade him for a superstar with almost no injury history? lol..... everyone has an excuse why the bulls couldn't get a trade done, or couldn't sign somebody, or couldn't get a SG, but nobody ever wants to admit thats its hard for other teams too,yet they do get it done.

  • Boozer sucked that day when it really counted(IMO).

    Yes, Boozer sucked in that marquee game against Miami so I'm really not waiting on pins and needles for his return. Sure he is the other primary scorer, and we need him in the long run, but the Bulls could have scored enough last night against the offensivley challenged Bobcats without him.

    You know, I'm sure everybody has moments where they think they know the answer to the Bulls problems when they struggle. And no one else is engaging that aspect. You're on an island. Frustrated and alone.

    Well this is one of those moments for me. I said before this game, and before the last game that the doubling on Rose was going to get worse(more often, further extended past the foul line to the three point line). It started with Charlotte, the exaggerated doubling. Then with Miami in the second half especially. Then Memphis, and then Charlotte again.

    Sure Derrick made some incredible shots and plays to score on Miami down the stretch. And as a team with Luol having an 'on' game they moved the ball well exploiting openings against Memphis(but still not running any plays directly to thwart the double except for a couple of slipped screens by Taj and Kurt).

    But as I stated before they are not handling the double teams well overall. Last night Derrick was stuck out in no man's land I don't know how many times making passes far away from his teammates as if they were across a football field.

    I've talked about how Derrick with his team's wins reaching a dominant force level, and his numbers and game reaching an MVP level, how people start fearing you, and basing their season on stopping/beating your marquee team and players.

    Well it's reached that point with the Bulls. And you could see the writing on the wall with the usually pulled out in the playoffs extended doubling of a player balls to the wall.

    I went over many of the known ways to deal with overcommited double teams. Guard/guard picks with the SG Watson particulalrly or Brewer or Korver even being left in lethal open space, bigs running to a spot to actually be an awesome screen Derrick can shoot past, bigs slipping the screen(which Joakim Noah is perfect for - and Boozer who settles for the jumper in those situations is not), and they have done this a couple of times. Also, swing to the weakside, and have an actual post up opp. for Taj as Thibbodeau stated he should have done.

    But game after game the Bulls have basically employed none of these tactics and if so rarely. They just sit there and watch Derrick on an island with two guys standing between he and his team. Stacy had it right too when he said at least some of your teammates "come get the f-ing ball!" This is also where Derrick's extreme lacking of verbal communication is hurting the team.

    I have to say as far as I'm concerned Thibs lack of plays to address the doubling, the forsight to see this trend with the Bulls emerging dominant record and Derrick's solidifying MVP status, the incessant parent standing by the sideline barking what the team should be developing/thinking on their own on the court is all dissapointing. Derrick gives no verbal instruction in tough, struggling situations(no wonder with blathering Thibs), and the team looks lost waiting for 'dad' to tell them what to do next.

    As good as the Bulls' record has been and Derrick has been I think major developmental mistakes are being made with this ballclub. Sure there's a lack of talent at the two. And Deng panics in many tight games and will dissapear in his share of games as well. And a really good/winner who is yet limited as a player, will still come out of their struggles to hit a big shot like that late game three last night. But unfortunately that's just not Luol Deng. He's no Derrick Fisher that's for sure. And let's not get into a conversation/critique of Fisher either you undertsnd my point or you dont.

    This team with Noah back and Boozer back all healthy, if that ever happens, will be good. But the lack of the team developing on their own, the coach who's lacking in critical offensive adjustments/recogntion, and way, way overcoaching from the sidelines, and the lack of player's developing in their roles such as a C.J. Watson and Korver who get micromanaged game by game for the short term good of winning that game that night rather then the long term good of player/team development improving in the long run, all this will keep the Bulls from reaching the ECF IMO.

    They could possibly get to the ECF this year. They do have career 48-50% quality role guys in Ronnie and C.J. with double digit scoring resumes. And Kyle who historically can bust it from the perimeter. But guys also who are not being developed/utilized properly, nor is team cohesion and Derrick's on court leadership being handled properly! Add to that Thibodeau's lack of offensive adjustments to critical basic obstacles in the way of success like the hyper extended double teams on marquee players and teams with marquee records(all though somewhat misrepresentative of win now record rather then player/team development).

    I know, I know, too harsh on 'Thibs.' A guy with no head coaching experience, but a brilliant defensive mind respected for his twice Finals appearance. So he's not unproven Tom Thibodeau. No, he's always "Thibs." Well, for myself until he starts turning some of this in my view mismanagement around I'm going to reserve the 'Thibs' one of the guys nickname for a while. Right now to me he's unproven head coach with hs first tour of duty in thirty years of coaching Tom Thibodeau.

    Do I think he's capable of seeing his fundamental, formative mistakes, and turning it around into a successful long term coach? Yes. But his way overcoaching, and other fundamental flaws as in player development and basics like handling double teaming scream he's not there yet by a long shot as far as I'm concerned.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    can you also provide a "Cliff Notes" version of some of your posts?

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Double team bad. We no handle it good.(I'm kidding. I know they're too long. Sorry.)

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    You are not on an island....I had the same thoughts. And these double teaming and aggressive trapping is happening from teams who are tired(played the previous day(Bobcats), long road trips(Miami))...During playoffs, opponents will be rested and will essentially feast on Derrick and stop him/Bulls.

    But that said, I think the lack of talent(at SG and missing Noah/Boozer at the same time), Thibs still trying to understand the players and the chemistry still setting in amongst the players. I would chalk up this year as a year of growth not just for Thibs and Derrick but also for the whole team. I don't think we can compare them to Miami(because the trio are more in their prime) compared to Derrick and Noah.

    Also, I think Deng is probably doing a lot more than others and is probably covering up for a lot of others. A good scout or a basketball expert can probably fill us in on his defensive accomplishments on a day when he is a bad offensive game. I don't think it is an issue for him to score(we have seen him do it before) and the inconsistency might be more due to the type of shots he is taking(it is probably easier to shoot if you are handling the ball)

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree as a new coach and group of players it does take time to develop. And their record is excellent, but that is in large part due to the defense(which we knew Thibs was a master of), and Derrick Rose playing like an All-Star stud and beyond. I'm just not so sure I like the way the rest of the team is being developed offensively including Derrick as a leader. I guess you either think Thibs is way overcoaching on offense in particular or you don't.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    A few games earlier Boozer has 22 points on 9/15 against Boston. So he had a bad game in the Miami game, every player is going to have some bad games, I think you're drawing way too big a conclusion from it.

    As far as trapping Rose goes, when teams start doing it from the half court line what I think Thibs would like to do is get another ball handler out there, as he's shown sometimes by bringing in Watson. If Watson picked up the other 10% of field goal percentage he left in California I'm sure we'd see it more often. I know Watson is being somewhat misused to cause that slump, but he's the closest thing to a backup point guard on the roster so what is the coach supposed to do?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    There are so many ways to address an extended double team, and I have listed many of them. Thibs did nothing for much of it in this game, and I'm saying this is a failing on his part. You don't think there are plays/haven't observed good plays in the NBA to thwart hyper extended double teams? How much NBA basketball have you watched? I already listed them in both my previous posts.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I'm not arguing against your points, I'm saying what Thibs seems to want to do against it is limited by the personnel he has. I've likewise been critical of Thibs' lack of adjustments to his scheme to suit his personnel, I think coaches should remember they're easier to replace than players so make something with the players you have.

    But it is what it is, if we think he's an otherwise good coach (and defensively he seems to be) and we can't convince him to change then we should consider making moves to get players that suit his offensive game plan.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And I don't mean Larry Brown style let Thibs be the de-facto GM and trade everyone under the age of 30 for his favourite washed up vets.

  • True if Deng plays better last night we win but he's not the only one who shot horribly and everyone has a bad game here and there. Only Brewer and Rose shot 50% or better last night, everyone else tanked it. This was a 8 games in 11 nights stretch were 3rd in the ECF. I'm pretty sure Deng isnt underrated...but hey why master the english language when you can just rip on pro ball players instead...stay in school do you feel me? :-)

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    hahaha

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    QUESTION:

    Who is ready for my 3rd prediction to come true?

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-anthonybulls011911

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Are you stopping at 3 only? Why don't you add two more?
    4th one --- Noah + junk for Dwight Howard to match salaries during summer(because Noah doesn't make much this year)
    5th one --- Bogans + junk(actually, Bogans is already junk) for Nick Young or Affalo
    So we have Howard, Boozer, Melo, Young, Rose as our starting team..

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Noah - good player,maybe an allstar

    Melo - superstar,elite,going to the hall of fame. what am I not getting here? this is a no brainier.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    EIGHT GAMES IN THE LAST ELEVEN DAYS. That's tiring just to type. Everyone relax. For all the stuff some of you guys thinks Thibs is doing wrong, the only thing that matters is results. Thibs obviously knows every which way to exploit a double team, I mean come on, there's a reason he's the head basketball coach of the Chicago Bulls and was an NBA assistant for 20 years. Mind you one that didn't have the luxury of having a pro playing career as initial credentials, which means he had to do more to get where he is than a guy who played in the NBA. Thibs is a task master, he has a plan and I'm quite positive its a hell of a lot better than anything we could come up with. Why is this a safe assumption? Because we've won about just as much as any other team in the league and have done so without our(healthy) 2a/2b players ever playing on the same floor. Rose has showed massive progression on both ends of the floor, Noah showed massive progression when he did play, and Carlos Boozer has been playing above his career averages. Does Thibs get zero credit for these facts? The Bulls D is best in the league, we discount that because it was expected from Thibs? You expected us to lead the league in defense with our best defensive weapon out for what will soon be a majority of the played season?

    Can you honestly say you would have predicted a record even remotely close to this if I told you Noah and Boozer wouldn't play a single game together at full strength in the first 42 games? Its pretty obvious Thibs knows what he's doing, and I doubt any of us have the capacity to answer our own questions as to why or why not he has done what he's done. What I do know is that whatever this plan of Thibs is, its working like a well oiled machine, especially when you consider the circumstances created by injury. I'd find it hard pressed to argue that the Bulls wouldn't have the best record in the NBA if they were at full strength for even 50% of the games played thus far. And I just think Thibs deserves as much credit for that fact as anyone. We are like children compared to Thibs basketball knowledge, and I think people need to accept as much. I don't get a lot of things he does, but I have the sense to know he has his reasons and that they are beyond my basketball mind, and sorry but they are beyond all of your as well.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If Bulls can get NeNe included in the deal cause they will be giving up their center and get someone to take on Deng, the Bulls should give it some serious consideration. Kind of reminds me of when the Bulls gave up Oakley for Cartwright back in the day and no one wanted to give up Oakley, that deal eventually led to 3 straight championships. In the playoffs teams will make it more difficult for Rose to score. Double teams will be more frequent and someone else will have to step up. Can Deng STEP UP and contribute when needed along with Boozer?... is yet to be seen. I think the Bulls will eventually wait and see what the team looks like at full strength before they make a move although Boozer and Noah didn't look in sync when they did play together. If they can get it done I'm all for the Melo deal. I would hate to lose Noah though but if losing Noah like losing Oakley brings the Bulls a championship... I'm all for it.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    They aren't giving up Jo they are going to try and find another way to get Melo but not with Jo

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Even if it brings the Bulls a championship you wouldn't give up Noah? I would hate to lose him as well but I'm sure we all want the Bulls to contend for a championship again one day and prove that they can win one without Jordan. Like I said before, the Bulls gave up Jordan best buddy at the time in Oakley to bring in Cartwright and the Bulls got a three peat out of that deal. History may be trying to repeat itself and the Bulls may think about giving up Rose best buddy Noah to bring another championship to Chicago. Again I would hate to give up Noah though.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You've set up a false dichotomy, giving up Noah doesn't result in a championship. If anything giving up Noah for Melo makes a championship less likely.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I see what you're saying about Noah for Melo, and it might have some merit, but I don't agree that they should trade him. Also, it's obvious that the Bulls feel the same way. They simply won't do it. Period.

    I've stated before I'd rather they keep what they have, not make a multi-player trade this year, and pick up a really solid wing player next year, when they'll be in better position to acquire one without losing much of anything. I want to see how they compete this year first with everyone hopefully healthy, THEN make a move. I think they're close as they are. But only as they are. Not with a changing out major pieces.

    Chasing Melo, I think, is fantasy. I know there are rumors that he's "amenable", but I think he's playing the trade game, using the Bulls to gain leverage. It reminds me of Dwayne Wade over the summer. He had no intention of coming here and was only a tease. Melo is a tease, too.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Melo doesn't want to come here. He's going to NYC to play with Amare so they can form their own "super team" and then try and leverage CP3 when he becomes a free agent.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6d4u9x2

    - Melo gets to play for a championship.
    - Deng gets to go back to North Carolina.
    - Wallace gets to go back to Sacramento.
    - MJ gets to make a lot of $ off Melo and Deng through his JordanBrand.

    BULLS WIN MULTIPLE CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Sam Young looked reeeeeeeeeeal good starting at SG for the Grizzlies...........not.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    I wouldn't rag on Noah too much, especially since I don't think we'd be nearly as good with Carmelo or someone. Melo just doesn't fit the Bulls style of play with hustle and a team first mentality.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    bp,

    That's absured.

    Melo fits perfectly with Rose. But, of course, the CLUELESS want Deng instead.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    And Denver gets O. Casspi, who they like, and J. Thompson, plus picks and a salary dump.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    I hate seeing bulls fans content just to make the playoffs
    I also hate just assuming that Thibs is correct about everything, when hes done NOTHING AT ALL to get that benefit of the doubt. the game planning at the end of last nights game was completely terrible.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    I think most Bulls fans like having " good guys " on the team and not as they like to call players like Carmelo " thugs ". Just because he knows Denver will never win a championship anytime soon and he wants a chance to contend for a championship, he's a thug to some people. Sure he has made some mistakes when he was younger but he has grown up since then and outside of Rose has mire talent than anyone else on the Bulls team. And don't think for one minute Thibs don't have his hands in the discussions on how to trade for Melo. Again Thibs comes from a championship caliber team and I'm pretty sure he didn't come to the Bulls just to make the playoffs. Boston while Thibs was there had more than one scoring option and some damn good role players to compliment those scoring options. Question is can the Bulls compete with the Heat for the next 5 yrs. and the other teams that are trying everything they can to keep pace with the Heat in the east for the next few years cause whether people want to admit it or not, the Heat will get better and free agents will be willing to go play there where they will be the favorites to win the championship for some years to come.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Bulls fans only want good guys? Dennis Rodman won three championships here, I think we could deal with Carmelo, who doesn't even have a bad image as far as I'm aware.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I agree with you that's why I said most Bulls fans not all. And Dennis was brought in cause he had much respect for Jordan Pippin and Phil, wasnt no one player gonna disrupt that team. At one point didn't too many people want Noah but he turn his career around so all I'm saying is there's no other reason IMO that some Bulls fans don't want him on the Bulls cause you cannot deny the guys talent and as I have said before, Rose should not have to take as many shot attempts as he has to. But we shall see what happens.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    How do you know that? There is talk of eliminating MLE in the next CBA or franchising or reducing the cap. We can't make any predictions except that this a team game and great teams win and not bunch of stars.
    Even the great Jeff Van Gundy predicted that the Heat will 72 games this year..How did that go?

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    Ya i just heard on the radio that Melo's reps/camp are trying to get the Bulls back into the trade discussion. With how well Deng has played so far, maybe Denver is willing to take him now. Lets see how this plays out....Bulls need another scorer to be a legit contender. Deng just cant create for himself.

  • In reply to bpmueller:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnZ4Wkvkzw0Phg8tr0VYA.8vLYF?slug=aw-anthonybulls011911

    I thought melo didnt wanna come here hmmm???

    I dont know if I really want him unless he is willing to take a back seat to Drose like Lebron did to Wade

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    He doesn't want to come here, his agent wants him to go anywhere so he gets paid. Until Melo signs a new contract somewhere his agent is earning nothing from him, that's why he's desperately trying to talk Melo into signing an extension with the Nets even though Melo doesn't want to go there. Maybe he's realised the Nets aint working and is trying a new team.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    If he doesn't want to play for the Bulls as well as the Knicks with the Knicks being his first choice, why did he say he would be willing to play for the Bulls and not to mention the article that was in Yahoo stated the same thing.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    He's been pretty clear that playing in New York is his dream. You saw how the talks with the Nets got serious right up until he'd have to meet with them to agree on the extension then suddenly he went cold on them. I think it's a bit of two factors, one is his agent hyping up his willingness to sign elsewhere (remember Melo can't actually say he'd like to be on another team, that's tampering); the second is that by making it seem like other teams might land him it puts pressure on New York to make a deal sooner.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I'm sure he knows the Bulls are a lot closer to winning a championship than N.Y. is. Lebron also made it clear that he wanted to win multiple championships and we all know how that turned out. We will see what happens cause I'm sure Denver want lose him for nothing and now its being reported that N J. is pulling deal off the table.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    His wife wants to be in New York. Whether there's a better destination talent wise is irrelevant. He has to make the most of New York.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Melo would come to Chicago....believe me, he would. Why wouldnt he? Were a young upcoming team. Plus a couple months ago he mentioned us on his top teams list. Denver just wants Noah an the Bulls dont want to give him up. I wonder if Denver would be willing to look at the Deng + Taj + James Johnson + 2 1st Round draft picks for him. Melo WOULD SIGN OFF ON THAT. LALA would like Chicago too. Bulls need to take a look at this.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Even if Melo does want to come to Chicago, which I think is highly dubious, Denver wont sign off on a package centered around Deng when they can wait in hope that New York ends up offering two of Chandler/Fields/Gallinari.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Jersey has the best to offer....but Melo doesnt want to go there.

    So its down to Bulls an Knicks possibly.

    Bulls offer- Deng,Taj, 3 1st round draft picks

    Knicks offer- Gallinari,Fields and a couple draft picks.

    So then its up to Denver i guess. Personally i like the Bulls trade better. I think Deng an Taj are better then Fields an Gallinari. Our guys are older an have more playoff experience...plus play defense lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Knicks players are cheaper and younger and have more "potential". Which is exactly what a rebuilding team wants.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Good points...It is the desperate agents who are doing this. That said, if the Bulls find a 3rd team which can take on Deng's contract for an expiring deal(Tayshuan Prince type) or someone whom Denver wants...., they have a "small" shot at this.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I think they are just using us a leverage to get the Nets and Knicks to offer the Nuggets more...

    Rose > Melo IMO so if you have to break up the core of Rose Booz Jo to get Melo they can keep them

    If you can get him for anyone else without completely stripping our team then so be it

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I like this team as built. Everybody keeps saying this Bulls team isn't elite. How do they know? They don't. Because the jury is still out. And we won't know until this team is fully healthy and with Noah back.

    But watching this team play first without Boozer and then Noah, it's not hard for me to see that with our team healthy that we can dominate.

    I just can't understand how folks know exactly what we need when they don't even know exactly what we have.

    We don't need another superstar scorer. That's Rose's role. We just need Noah to get back healthy so he can open up the floor for other scorers and tip in those D Rose misses.

  • In reply to logikal77:

    But Rose is a point guard and realistically he should not have to score that many points and take that many shots in order for the team to win. He will still need help from someone other than Deng and Boozer that can create their own shot preferably from the perimeter.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Derrick Rose = Rare Bread of PG

  • In reply to Reese1:

    You are basically telling that you can win only with a Jason Kidd type of PG. Why can't the Bulls win with a scoring PG like Rose if he can score because sometimes people have a good feel when they are handling the ball of deciding when to score and when to pass. Things, Theories evolve even in the NBA. But to just collect stars is not a great idea for a team game.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think it's a reasonable concern, the only PG to lead their team in PPG and win the title is Isaih Thomas in 89-90, and even then it was a much more balanced team, he was scoring at a rate closer to Deng than Rose.

    If Rose wins a championship scoring 24-25 PPG it'll be a first. Then again nobody thought you could win a championship with a 30PPG shooting guard either.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    its not about his agent getting paid, and idiot who keep feeding that line over and over are idiots. Melos agent is getting paid no matter where he goes. Shakes really needs to stop posting nonsense in this comments. Melo doesn't have to sign anywhere he doesn't want to, so his agent trying to work a deal with new jersey is meaningless. the agent is getting paid no matter what,your reasoning makes no sense.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    In the article it says he is unhappy... He can find a new agent that is more aggressive... hence they will lose money

  • In reply to sabixx:

    Melo signed with a new agent since his last contract extension. So right now Melo's agent doesn't get paid. If Melo signs an extension then his agent gets paid today. If Melo doesn't sign an extension, he doesn't get paid until next off-season. No problem you say? Just wait a few months? Well there's this little thing called a lock out that might delay that pay day a long while ...

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Not to mention that even if Melo might be willing to take a pay cut to sign with a full strength New York team as a free agent rather than see them give up assets in a trade. Maybe Melo, like the superfriends in Miami, is willing to give up a little cash in the interests of winning. However it's in his agent's interests to see Melo get paid as much as possible because agents get a cut of their client's pay check, typically 4%. To an agent winning means nothing, they get paid whether their client is on a lottery team or a contender.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    What are you trying to say??

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't even think he knows, he's too busy trying to respond to everything I post which is a little weird in my opinion.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Shoot, the Bulls could give them Deng, Taj, Bobcats pick, our 1st rounder an next years 1st rounder. OUr picks are going to be in the late 20's anyway. You dont fine guys like Taj all that often. Plus, that pick will just be a bench player for us since we have Noah,Booz,Rose an Melo then. We just need a decent shooter then. Or Brewer could just start.

  • In reply to sabixx:

    Sam Smith wrote a piece recently about Melo's agent pushing for a trade so he can get paid, because at the moment he gets nada...nothing. I wouldn't say Sam is an idiot posting nonsense.

  • Ummm.. yeah I know its not about buddies I was using that as an example as to how the Bulls gave up a important player in Oakley to put them over the top but again, that's your view point and it is what it us.

  • Dont be so obsessed with me sir you are starting to freak me out. Other bloggers can see for themselves how much this guy responds to me...Weird attraction.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    C'mon...nobody is obsessed with you or Happy. This is a Bulls blog and people respond to wacky trade ideas or statements.
    Don't start getting personal when there is some opposition to your statements as Happy does. It doesn't mean you are wrong or right. It is somebody giving a different point of view.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    PERSONAL...don't think so especially not on this blog or any others. I think some people take what I say personal at time with the responses I get at times. I find it very strange some times.

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