Bulls blow out Raptors behind strong bench play

The Raptors took a brief lead early connecting on five of their first six shots.  My wife turned to me and said "I thought you told me this would be a blowout".   I offered her the Raptors and 10 points.   

That was about all the good news for Raptor fans, who can take some solace in Andrea Bargnani returning to the game and playing well perhaps, but otherwise had a whole bunch of nothing.

Surprisingly, it was the Bulls bench which really helped them pull away in this game rather than the starters. 

Derrick Rose did his damage in the first half

The Bulls earned Derrick plenty of rest tonight, as he never returned in the fourth quarter and did most of his damage in the first half.   As I've noted many times, Rose tends to be more quiet in blowout wins.   He was an extremely efficient 7/11 from the field with 19 points and six assists but gave fans a memorable highlight reel lay up slicing through three defenders and finishing with circus style shot. 

Rose pretty much had whatever he wanted whenever he wanted.

Carlos Boozer played sparingly and played defense even more sparingly

The Bulls didn't really need Boozer on offense tonight, but he seemed to have a hard time generating much and scored several of his hoops on open layins after the defense hard committed to Derrick Rose.

Watching Boozer off the roll towards the hoop makes me realize how much more fun this offense will be with Joakim Noah in to help play that role rather than Kurt Thomas, and the different looks the Bulls will give teams. 

Boozer struggled to defend Bargnani when they were matched up and seemed to get lost whenever he had to move out of the paint.   It wasn't a horrendous day for Boozer by any stretch, and the Bulls certainly didn't need more out of him than they got.

Why the hell did Deng play 40 minutes?

Luol Deng must be the absolute god of intangibles, because despite his reputation for breaking down over the course of the season, every coach he's ever had wants to ride the hell out of him and make him the team leader in minutes played.

I like Luol Deng, but seriously, give the dude a rest every once in awhile.   The Bulls played him until there were only two and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter despite having a 20 point lead for most of it.

Past that, Deng had an excellent game though.   He scored plenty early when the Raptors had the lead and found his way to the foul line whenever the Bulls really needed a hoop.   Could improve on the 5/9 from the free throw line once getting there, but still a great game overall by Luol.

Keith Bogans made me want to tear my eyes out

Alright Keith, you're in the game for defense.  You are caught on Barngani in isolation at the three point line after a switch.   What do you do?    You run away to go find your man, leave him WIDE open for a three point shot, which he calmly knocks down and then walk down the court.

At least you went on miss a wide open three, then touch foul a big man on a breakaway giving him an easy three point play.  

The Raptors started to run on the Bulls in the third period, and Keith Bogans left the game, and I turned to my wife and said "Bogans left the game, and so did the Raptors last chance of winning".   

I know he tries hard, but seriously, what is the deal here?   Just play Ronnie Brewer 35 minutes a game and be done with it.   it's the equivalent of saying we need to get James Johnson 15 minutes a night, so we're only going to play Deng 26 minutes.   It's just mind bogglingly stupid.

Kurt Thomas played pretty good defense again

Thomas's statline usually stinks, and if you weren't watching the games you might think he's somewhat of a trainwreck, but unlike Bogans, he actually contributes in many intangible ways. 

For a guy with no quickness he does a great job of keeping guys in front of him, and he has to lead the NBA big men in clean strips per minutes played this year as he knocks the ball out cleanly on driving big men frequently.  

When he is beat, he typically makes an aggressive hard foul preventing a three point play and mitigating the damage.   It wasn't a great game for Kurt, but he's doing all you could ask of him.

Taj Gibson re-emerged as I predicted

He had numerous tip ins, knocked down jumpers, and hit the glass hard, and as I thought, was a tough matchup for the Raptors who don't really have the type of big men to cope with his non stop hustle and quickness around the hoop.

He committed a few ridiculous fouls, but overall it was great to see Taj knock down some jumpers again and get back to what he's good at offensively.

Omer Asik showed what happens when you don't put a big body on him

He wasn't killing guys with finesse or skill, but when the Raptors didn't have size on Asik, he just bullied the hell out of guys and dunked on them.    It was great to see him play so aggressively. 

He also brought the defense with several huge blocks including a monster stuff on a breakaway which  he managed to do without fouling.   Great to see games like this where Asik is clearly progressing.

C.J. Watson's stat line doesn't do him justice

Watson was a missed bunny away from having a much better statline as he flubbed an open layup after a full court Boozer pass, but Watson was simply tremendous out there tonight.

He brought a ton of energy to the game, played spectacular defense and did a great job running the offense.  The Bulls took their big first lead when he subbed in during the first half and put the game away when he subbed in during the second half.

He's had a tough season, but we'll take more games like this if we can get them.

Ronnie Brewer continues to play well

Brewer was active and effective all game long, he played the passing lanes well, got in position to score, and did a nice job finishing shots.  

As noted above, there's no case for Bogans to continue to start in my opinion.  Brewer brings a lot to the table, and helps the offense so much.  Bogans isn't respected any more than Brewer by the opposing defense at the three point line and isn't hurting them for a lack of respect.

Brewer does a nice job of taking the ball to the hole and finishing when guys run out at him and has knocked down the long two pointer when left open.   He's a much better offensive option and the defense isn't even comparable.

Kyle Korver muddled through another poor shooting night

I still think the Bulls need to get him more minutes with Rose and less minutes trying to use him as the offensive creator off the bench.   Korver struggled with his shot again and has shown that he's not that effective in the Rip Hamilton role we continually try to force him into.

Final thoughts

Not much to complain about, another big win for the Bulls, and for once they didn't have to work too hard at it.  Given they play four in five nights, it's nice to not struggle much in this one prior to flying out to New Jersey tonight.

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  • Couldn't have put it better myself Doug. On point write up.

    Great to see Taj hit his mid-range jumpers and Omer being a monster at both ends.

    I like you am concerned about how we are using Kyle. With his feet under him his shot is unrivalled so why do we insist on running him off screens and making him take off-balanced shots. Have a word with Thibs about it won't you (along with finding out what dirt Keith must have on Thibs to keep getting the start lol)

    Bench players + extra minutes played = more confidence = better for the Bulls

    Can't wait for the Celtics now - bring on a real test.

  • As much as I like Thibodeau, and appreciate the many improvements he's made to our team, his use of the roster is baffling, and it's the one thing about him that REALLY bugs me. It bugs me to the point that I really am not sure if I even like him as the coach.

    I know that may sound a little over the top, but Bogans has absolutely no business playing on this team, let alone starting. It's hurting the chemistry, skill level and overall development of a potentially great team. He's abusing Luol, one of our more fragile players. He's now relying on Kurt Thomas too much (whom I like), given that Asik needs to see more time for his own growth. And I'm not even mentioning the Lucas free throw debacle, and putting Scalabrine in ice cold on defense at the end of a game.

    I mean, I appreciate how good the defense looks, but the offense is still shaky, and I have a hard time believing that this group of talent wouldn't be just as good under another coach. One that wouldn't be doing these stupid things with our roster.

  • In reply to Juiceboxjerry:

    I know Thibs can be frustrating but you really think any other available coach would have this team winning at a similar pace? Would another coach have told Luol on day one, "NO MORE LONG TWOS"? Would another coach have his team 3rd in the EC standings without his second or third best starter for virtually the entire season? Would another coach have a team that constantly has guys like Kyle Korver, D Rose, and Boozer on the floor playing some of the best defense in the league? Furthermore I know no coach the Bulls have had in the past decade could make the adjustments Thibs has made at halftimes, just as I know none of our coaches in the 2000s had his team working harder for him than Thibs has his right now.

    The Bogans thing is annoying, but he isn't getting THAT many minutes. I want to see Bogans benched as much as anyone, but I just can't overlook all the other things Thibs has brought to the table because of this fault. Every coach makes mistakes, Phil Jackson makes them all the time. It's not about being mistake free, it's about winning and Thibs has accomplished as much thus far.

  • In reply to Juiceboxjerry:

    Is Thibs so bad he should be canned? Rational, constructive criticism is fine, but to question the entirety of his coaching acumen after a blowout win borders on hyperbole.

  • Another win set up by a defensive spurt in the second fueled by the second unit. It's funny to think back at the start of the season when we were concerned about Thibs habit of pulling all the starters, but once he's taken JJ & Scal out of the rotation the second unit has been really good for the Bulls.

    Our bench may not score consistently but they do generally do a good job on the defensive end and keep the game close or pull away. As much as I'd like to see Brewer starting I can almost see why Thibs keeps him on the bench given he's been playing really well in his current role.

    Taj & Asik playing well was great too, good to see old BIg Sexy Kurt Thomas rest a bit, he can't be playing big minutes in all 4 games of a 5 day stretch. Hopefully they've done enough to earn the sort of minutes they got more consistently too.

  • Now that's how the Bulls should take care of a bad team in the NBA. The bench came through in a big way Boozer and Taj both had double doubles and Rose play a good game as well. I have know idea why Deng is playing a boat load of minutes, maybe Thibs is really tearing his durability for some reason. And Bogans... I won't get into that cause Brewer should'be been starting a long time ago. Overall, it was a good win for the Bulls and this is the type of win the Bulls need to continue to have against the weaker teams in the league.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Agreed, great game. These type of wins are vital because they allow for more rest for our starters... besides Deng that is..

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Wow, finally a mostly positive comment.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    Yes a positive comment about this game but they still need to upgrade at the shooting guard position because the win was against a bad team. Some big changes may still be on the way for this team cause the goal is to build towards a championship and we all know they are not quite there yet. Remember Thibs was a part of the Garnett trade with Boston so I will keep faith with him to know what it will take to get the Bulls to the top.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think I just have a slightly different perspective. Rather than using "yes, but..." statements, which, in my opinion, is a glass half-empty mentality and an expectation of failure, I think there is more upside with this team, even as is.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    "yes,but" statements are bad chi.

  • As always great post Doug. I just can'i stand NBA officiating. Osik did what he usually does, since it was the raptors they were no calls. I always though a lot of the calls against him was bs.
    what do you think about jumping into someone's body to force a call? wade is very good at it. I think the nba should get rid of it, it's like cheating, jumping into someone should be an offensive foul

    Have a nice day

  • In reply to bobhot:

    Yea the only way you should be able to jump into someone is if they've left the floor and aren't too far away. Something has to be done.

  • In reply to bobhot:

    My 2 Cents

    I hope the Bulls keep Taj and Omer. I don't want to see either one traded away for a slightly better shooting guard.

    Taj is rock solid and Omer has already demonstrated the ability to adapt, improve as a rookie. Thibodeau's ability to mix and match Taj, Omer, Noah, and Boozer in the coming years will be fun.

    I do agree with others on Luol. The Bulls seem to be playing him too extensively or showcasing him, perhaps both.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    If the Bulls are showcasing Deng to trade him, you can best believe Melo is on the Bulls radar. Who else would they trade him for?...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Don't read to much into a perceived "showcasing" of Deng. Simply, he's Thibs security blankent.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Nice wrap-up Doug. After watching this game I don't really think I want Barbosa on this team and this morning on Hoopshype I read that OJ was in a fight with a teammate and came off sounding like a punk. So I guess I question him now as well.

    From the beginning of the season until now I have seen some nice improvement in everyone but Bogans (maybe Korver too)

    Asik seems competent around the basket and his FT shooting has looked much better and confident to me. Still gets fouled for too many fouls but many are on the BS side IMO.

    Deng is not perfect or an All-Star but I like what he has done to help this team and he brings the effort what seems like every night. His low production in the 4th seems like a case of too much play or Rose/Boozer taking the games over.

    Brewer has done a great job helping this team in different ways and has accepted his role well. Hope he continues to get more minutes.

    Watson I think has started to find his role on this team. At the beginning of the year he was forcing his shot and not looking to get teammates involved while playing the point. Now he is doing a better job being selective with his shot and his D has always been solid.

    As far as Bogans, I can't stand him being a starter but maybe Thibs likes Brewer and Korver coming in off the bench together to provide a lift. I have noticed Boozer has often been left on the floor with the 2nd unit so maybe he likes having the 3 Jazzabulls together.

  • In reply to bobhot:

    Man, I don't know about you guys, but I think that C.J./Ronnie(Brewer) leaping chest/shoulder bump(after that two man break/Ronnie's dunk) said it all. Studs/partners in crime in waiting.

    Meanwhile with Keith "fleeing the scene" Bogans leaving thee Raptors offensive threat/three point shooter in Barngani for a non perimeter ghost in DeRozan(shooting .091 from three) looked like a farcical shennanigans you might see in an old Monkey's(ancient music group/TV show) video.

    I know they are winning, but Thibs, even Bogans is starting to look embarassed going out there for the starting line ups.

    Anyone who can't see after last night's game how much talent and energy C.J. brings just moving the ball up the court/forcing transition let alone the crazy crossover, leaping steals etc. etc. For the love of god what is it going to take to get this guy 25 minutes a game???

    And as well as Ronnie plays with C.J. make sure he gets in there alongside him when C.J.'s at the point as they did last night. Talk about two guys right out of Grand Theft Auto(the video game); these guys can both steal, and then hot-rod off/innitiate transition in a heartbeat, and finish.

    And when Lu is playing like he did last night then I don't mind ingraining that excelling in the game moment in his head by playing him 39 minutes I really don't. But the next night or whenever he does have his cooling off period/games(which he does have) then you play him 30/give him a rest. Give Ronnie those minutes at the SF and have Kyle(and C.J.) play alongside Derrick.

    And Omer is showing he has some quick spin/swim moves around the basket with actually decent ballhandling to get to the hoop. And the way he looks shooting his free throws it's hard to believe he can't at least be a 64-65% guy which for a guy with his size is viable. He really is exciting to watch as he develops.

    Thibs, please for the love of god play C.J. and Ronnie together "Claim check, smomebody stole my bag(s)," Stacy King. You will see the fast break points mount up. And when Ronnie can get on the court filling in for Deng's rest/30 minute nights then Kyle can play with Derrick(along with C.J.), and have wide open threes which a shooter like him should have. Not the running through screens, off balance jumper, keystone cops routine enough of that already!

    Thibs must run a great practice because these guys come with "48 minutes of intensity"/(Norm) just about every night. Thibs in so many ways you are doing a terrific job. Just please now play C.J. and Ronnie together along with Kyle and C.J. playing with Mr. Derrick Rose. Any smart offensive coach would have Kyle some with Derrick to open the lanes, and get him some wide open threes/looks instead of making him constantly run the gauntlett of pounding big's screens ang clutching pursuing guards/wings. Give him a break already!

    One thing with a new coach/Thibs wanting to play it safe with vets he doesn't seem willing to have any patience with new roles/situations/development and the mistakes that come with it. Like thinking it was plausible to start Taj at center, and then not play him there again after one poor initial result. Or playing C.J. at the point with Ronnie.

    I don't know if I've ever seen an emerging newly successful/contender team where new roles/and avenues didn't emerge with that group. Part of getting production out of players is GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITIES(sorry all caps spaz moment sponsored by Ritalin). If the talent of C.J. and Ronnie isn't incorporated along with Taj getting his obviously very valuable minutes and Kyle getting a break with some open shots playing with Derrick then opportunities are being wasted, and players will like C.J. will languish with lesser token roles.

    Thib's I'm willing to A) Run naked through the U.C. parking lot yelling, "C.J. and Ronnie, C.J. and Ronnie!! until security or the cops catch me, B) Relinquish one week's paycheck(like you need it), or C)Watch tape of every upcoming opponent(via NBA League Pass) until my eyelids implode, your choice. Just let me know, and said humiliations/offerings will be instituted.

    In return: Taj plays his 25 minutes a night(on most nights), C.J. and Ronnie get their 25 and up minutes, and play some together, and Keith bogans becomes a off the bench 7 minutes a night keep him engaged for emergencies sake/filler he should be. Thank you.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Dude you have alot of good things to say but you seriously have to try to shorten your posts a bit. Hate to see you review a book on Amazon, probably longer than the book itself. ; )

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Yeah, they have been too long lately. Once in a while somebody giving a longer take on things, but not all the time. It fills up too much of the space where people are trying to have conversations. Sorry.

    But seriously, you spend time reading book reviews on Amazon?! What's up with that?(kidding)

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    No I don't read books lol which is why your posts always look like such chore.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Yeah, just try to edit it a little bit, or break them up into separate posts. You got some interesting views, but honestly I do a lot of skimming and sometimes just scroll down to the next poster.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Keith "fleeing the scene" Bogans

    LAUGH OUT LOUD

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Flash: At the 2:20 mark of the 2nd quarter Deng took more than 5 dribbles and didn't turn the ball over, then passed it to Gibson for a dunk. Don't know if I ever saw Deng do that before.

  • In reply to cleansupwell:

    Yes, the 3 dribble rule should be strictly enforced on Deng.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    GOOD NEWS BULLS WAVED LUCAS!!! I wish they never signed him or we would only have 9 LOSSES right now

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I hoped bulls keep Lucas to play back-up PG and move Watson to SG. Lucas handle the ball well. It's sad !

  • http://blogs.bulls.com/2011/01/noah-working-to-maintain-his-conditioning-while-sidelined/

    seems like i could have just waited for that Noah update.

    maybe we are trading Deng thus giving him a few highlights in the blowout. and as for the 40 minutes -CONSPIRACY THEORY- maybe he's being traded to a contender. this could also explain why the Bulls just randomly waved Lucas, apart from the obvious reason (the guaranteed contract thing) but as usual, I am always right.

  • Great game to watch! Everything's been said I would want to say like Deng playing leading the team and probably the league in minutes played! I know the guy has a strong Sudan background and was born there and we all know how much endurance he has in his blood...but what the heck! Please give Deng some rest already especially with 4 games in 5 nights in a blow out Thibs! Geez!

  • In reply to smiley:

    Lol "endurance he has in his blood" really man?

  • In reply to smiley:

    Actually, the marathon runners mostly come from Kenya and Ethiopia.

  • Glad people are finally picking up on Deng's minutes. KC even tweeted about it. That's the the drum that needs to be banged on. Whether it's 20 point wins this year, or 20 point losses last year, the coach needs to get him some rest, especially in the first game of 4 in 5 nights. How can he be expected to guard Pierce at the end of the week if he's being ground up like this?

  • Portland is still in playoff contention and with Roys future for the year very iffy I would be surprised if Rudy is still an option. Why didn't the Bulls look at W. Matthews this off season? He appears to be have been a perfect fit at SG for the Bulls.

  • Good points. Yeah, it will be interesting to see with Dallas losing Butler, Olrando short at center losing Gortat etc. if these contender/all in type teams will be looking to trade/offering some real talent where they feel they have depth to shore up a glaring hole. If Ronnie and C.J.(along with Taj re-emerging) do emerge as quality players on a attractive/big time winning team/record then you have to wonder just what we might be out there talent wise for the Bulls at wing/SG. You just almost hate to see a trade when the team looks like it might be terrific as is when Joakim returns. I really do like C.J.'s potential and Ronnie's as well. But it's hard to pass up on an O.J. Mayo if teams become willing to make trades.

    Something tells me Taj is just too valuable as a big to lose though as he does so many things well, and can play like a quality starting big for you on any given night.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    After a card game gone awry, Memphis Grizzlies teammates O.J. Mayo and Tony Allen had to be separated during a physical encounter on the team

  • I agree with you Doug, Deng appears to be too big of cog to trade at the moment. Not sure Anthony would be worth the price it would take at this point or how well he would fit with Rose and Boozer.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    If the Bulls could get Anthony for Deng believe me the Bulls would do it as long as they didn't have to give up Rose, Boozer or Noah. Adding Anthony catapults them to an elite teamm in either division

  • In reply to cleansupwell:

    I agree with U but some Bulls fans have been fooled by Deng again. Yes he is a good player and has managed not to get injured thus far but if the Bulls have a legitimate shot to get Carmelo... you can best believe the Bulls will do all they can to rid themselves of Deng. I will take a talented player over a good player any day. Again... I know the Bulls are playing well as of now and are getting a lot of wins against bad teams but I think some people look at this as the Bulls are beating the elite teams in the league and are well on their way to contending for a championship, but we will all see if they are ready this time around for a few of the elite teams over the next couple of weeks.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Some people know that it would not be just Deng involved in the trade and it what would need to be involved in the trade may not be worth it to the Bulls. Taj/Omer/multiple draft picks. Deng is a reasonable 3rd option, Taj is a cheap quality backup, Omer is 7ft and still developing and multiple draft picks have some potential as well. Rose has proven to be a developing superstar and CLOSER so our need for Melo may not be worth the price it would ACTUALLY take to get him.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    While it's true the Bulls would need to give up Taj, Asik or JJ and both draft picks it'd still be worth it to get Anthony. With Rose, Boozer and Anthony we rival the big 3 in Miami only better because we have Noah.

  • In reply to cleansupwell:

    Maybe if both teams were at full strength and the Bulls got beat a few times I would feel differently about it. I don't see Anthony as a savior and one that should be acquired at any price. If we could get him on the cheap like the Lakers got Pau, great, but we all know that is not going to happen.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Does anyone know what the about Gibson's feelings towards Mayo?

  • In reply to Waldock:

    Ha I forgot they were teammates in college. Good question.

  • I was watching that last night and thought about our game too!

  • I think thibs should give JJ the 15 mins a night that he gives bogans JJ

  • I'd change it, and make it so that a referee has the right to interpret and charge the foul to whoever initiated or sought out contact, making more common sense.

  • LUOL DENG! GOD OF INTANGIBLES!

    http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d195/WearShades/luol-deng-64844.jpg

    ^I tried.

  • There is such an awkward silence when they announce Keith Bogans during the starting lineup. Would it be wrong to start booing him? I know its not his fault, and booing during a starting lineup is pretty harsh, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    I'd say no to outright booing, but I would encourage fans to ask "WHY?" loudly and in unison.

    In Bogans' defense, his salary isn't bad for what he should be, a 9th or 10th guy, and he wouldn't be viewed as harshly if Thibs treated him as such.

    Hell, people outright cheer for Scalabrine, and he is suck on wheels.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Maybe we should start the Scalabrine chant when Bogans is introduced.

  • I have to respectively disagree. I think it is that bad, and worse now that Noah is out of the lineup. As you pointed out, the Raptors made a run on the Bulls with Bogans on the floor. He left, and so did their chance at winning. That is not a coincidence.

    You could legitimately say that the Bulls are starting off the games now playing 3-on-5 on offense, and 4-on-5 on defense (Thomas has been solid on that end thus far). Against poor teams, they can get away with it. Against the better teams in the East, they can't; as evidenced by their record so far against Boston, Orlando and NY.

    Bogans had a PER of 7 as of yesterday afternoon, and his efficiency rating was in the toilet. Despite what can be said of flaws in those stats, the fact remains Bogans isn't that much better than a guy off the street, literally.

    Meanwhile, Brewer has a PER at about 14.4, which is just slightly below Deng's. So, in a real sense, you could make one change, and add a second Deng-quality player to your starting lineup while removing a total bum. Yes, your bench may take a hit initially, but the burden being lessened on Rose, Boozer and Deng would be more than worth it come playoff time.

    Long story short, I can't see any logical rationale for Bogans seeing more than garbage time on the court. He's a complete and total anchor around the necks of Boozer, Deng and Rose.

  • In reply to saigman:

    Obsessing on Bogans obscures the positive steps this team has taken under Thibs. Best record since the Jordan era, one of the best defensive teams in the league, and a squad that is passionate and works hard, which reflects their coach. Don't lose sight of the forest through the trees.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    I heard something similar a few years back. First back-to-back playoff appearances in decades. First back-to-back winning seasons in many years. Good times are here at last...woo hoo.

    102 years and counting is all I'm going to say about that.

  • In reply to saigman:

    lol Aw c'mon, man. If you start comparing the Bulls with that team, you'll only get a coronary. Until someone brings a goat to the United Center, I'd try to focus on the arrow pointing up.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    "I'd try to focus on the arrow pointing up. "

    As long as Bogans is starting, you've tied a string to the tail of the arrow that is attached to a lead weight. Arrow is going to go up and out only so far (2nd round of the playoffs).

    Last thing I will say is this: Look at Pargo's stats from last year, and look at Bogan's stats for this year, and ask yourself: what would people had said if Vinny had started Pargo ahead of Hinrich with Rose?

  • In reply to saigman:

    Nice comparison, Vinny never won like this so its hard to say.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    Mayo has had character issues going back to high school. I remember him being ejected for bumping into and knocking over a referee.

  • In reply to guypithecus:

    If he gets with the right team I'm sure he wouldn't have character issues. He has talent tho. Noah had character issues as well but he's gotten better.

  • In reply to guypithecus:

    Sam Smith has spoken so highly of Mayo, this really surprises me, then again who hasn't gotten in an altercation? I'm sure Mayo has some serious frustration built up, the kid was the top prospect coming out of high school, would have gone first in the draft if kids were able to come straight out. Not saying he doesn't have issues, but it isn't always stupid to take on a player with character problems(Dennis Rodman). We already have a bunch of high character guys, to be honest we might benefit from a guy that mixes it up. Noah really is the only player on our team that is willing to get in someone's face. I know it might sound a little crazy, but this team could use some swag. I'm not saying Mayo would bring the kind of swag we need, but its possible.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I am pretty sure that Jordan started plenty of confrontations that were the result of card games and other forms of gambling.

  • Mayo gets in a fight with teamate Tony Allen on the flight because Mayo owes Allen money for a card game:
    http://www.nba.com/2011/news/01/05/mayo-allen-fight.ap/index.html
    Maybe we could get Mayo for a discount now! :-)

  • Yeah just like Al Jefferson was a big part of Boston's team when he was there but they traded him to become a true contender and win the championship.

  • no just the Charlotte pick and salaries to match(bogans, JJ).

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