Look for Noah's replacement on the roster

Joakim Noah will miss the next 30 or so games recovering from surgery and with the loss, Bulls fans immediately start digging for replacements and discussing trades.  

Replacements simply aren't going to be found outside of the existing roster though.   Most teams play no more than a nine man rotation with four to six players on the bench in case of emergencies, development, and other such problems.

As such, in the vast majority of cases, the talent of players not in the league is considerably beneath the talent required to play in the league.   The next best 150-200 players that aren't in NBA rotations are sitting on the bench of other NBA teams.   If your bench isn't stacked with some of those guys, then your odds of catching lightning in a bottle with a D-League call up or unsigned player are minimal.

If signing someone isn't the answer, then how about trades?   Prior to the injury the Bulls were looking to bring in a SG, and they'd have dealt from the bigs to do so.   However, now the Bulls have no extra depth in the front court to trade for a SG, but they also have no guards to move to trade for a big man.

Due to the Bulls off-season plan of acquiring players this year, they also don't have any expiring contracts to deal in an attempt to match salary.   Would Portland give up on Marcus Camby for an expiring and a 1st?   Perhaps, but we don't have the expiring to match.   Same thing applies for Joel Przybilla.  

The answer isn't going to come through trades, because we simply don't have the salary matching to just use a draft pick, and we don't have the depth to trade from present players.

As such, the answer will come from the existing roster.   The Bulls will play Taj Gibson 36+ minutes a night, Omer Asik will get a bump in playing time, and the Bulls will go small more frequently.   On top of that, one of Thomas, Johnson, or Scalabrine will likely get a shot to take on 15 minutes a night of fairly regular action.

If the Bulls were to add someone, it'd simply be to have another body to bang against in practice.   However, even that scenario has limited value as the bulls still have Boozer, Gibson, Asik, Scalabrine, Johnson, and Thomas who can man those positions in practice. 

Unless there's another injury, look for the Bulls to just toe the line with the present roster.

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  • Right. I do not anticipate any trades. All of their expiring deals - Thomas, Bogans, Scalabrine, Lucas - make under $2 million. Lucas cant even be traded yet since he's a recent signing.

  • I agree. I think Thibs should, at least at first, try starting Asik and see if he can play 10 minutes in the 1st Q without picking up 4 fouls. But, you're right, Taj should pick up the majority of the minues. Although, from time to time I would like to see if Kurt can play for more than 2 minute stretches - remember, he came up pretty big for the Bucks in the postseason last year when Bogut was out...

  • Hey, do I win something for posting the first comment?

  • In reply to MadTown56:

    you posted 7 minutes after me. How does that make you "first"?

  • In reply to bulls6:

    Oops! When I posted mine was the first one up, I thought I was first; now when I have returned I see that I wasn't. I'm not going to argue with an avatar of Richard Widmark getting ready to toss a paraplegic down a flight of stairs..!

  • In reply to MadTown56:

    One of you wins a set of steak knives, the other is fired.

  • In reply to Edward:

    who gets the cadillac?

  • In reply to bulls6:

    I agree JJ needs to bring it and play smart! He is in the TT mold of high potential but makes bone headed plays that kill a team game! If he doesn't I could see the Bulls trading JJ away. We need help at the SG and Jackson still has some utility and good size and can go on a tear and score at a good rate!
    I don't know what the love of Bogans is but he is a plain Jane type player while Brewer is very athletic and flashy, Thibs sees him and KK as good off the bench spark plug types!
    Dig in deep Bulls and cover for the loss of Noah! :-)

  • In reply to bulls6:

    Hey Doug,

    What do you think about Anthony Parker instead of Bogans? Don't have to trade major pieces for him and he is an expiring contract? Better upgrade for a three point shooter.

  • In reply to bulls6:

    OPINION Trade for Nick Young AND PLAY SMALLER!
    Unlike all of you I'm not a CLUELESS FOLLOWER!

  • In reply to jpbaker81:

    Jon,

    Welcome to HAPPY-land...haha.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here is an exerpt from Sam Smith's mailbag this morning..

    Trade for Nick Young of the Wizards. With John Wall playing big minutes, Gilbert Arenas and Kirk Hinrich both rotating between pg and sg, it seems like the Wizards might be willing to part with Young. He would fit nicely into the team dynamic.

    Neil Olsen

    Sam: Or not. He

  • In reply to jpbaker81:

    wrong YOUNG there buddy. gotta trade for Thaddeus YOUNG, FACT. im sure the sixers will just take JJ and Kurt Thomas for him, not like he's a rotation player anyways.

  • What about Chris Johnson as a shot. From Nick Friedell:

    "Chris Johnson: The LSU product is playing for the Dakota Wizards in the D-League. The Wizards selected him in NBDL draft earlier this year and it paid off. He's averaging 19 points, nine rebounds and three blocks a game. He's also 6-foot-11. Will the Bulls be interested?"

  • In reply to dreverts:

    D League and Lightning in a Bottle

    Have the Bulls ever caught "lightning in a bottle" from the D League?

    Aside from winning the 100:1 longshot for the #1 pick and Rose, I don't remember them finding any great undiscovered players.

    The Bulls seem more interested in Europe then in the D League.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    It will be interesting to see how Jo's absence effects the fontcourt positions and player combos. I, like most of the regs here, don't see the Bulls picking up some (former)name player.

    But really, how big of an impact will the loss of Joakim have on this Bulls team? Answer: I don't think at this moment there's any clear cut answer.

    When something major happens good or bad it causes insecurity/instability no? You wonder(as an example), OK, will the announced plant closings effect my job even though my location wasn't listed? Then people will come up with rationale as to why things "will be fine" or alright, or "we are in deep sh*t"/real trouble.

    IMO, I don't think we will know for sure how much of an impact Jo's absence will have until after a game or two or possibly three or more.

    Thib's/the Bull's offense runs a lot of sets through Jo distributing the ball from the top of the key/foul line area. Even though he's fifth or sixth in assists among big men(according to NBA.com) he puts a major stamp on the offensive flow.

    Also, before the injury certainly/up to the Sacramento game or abouts(November), Joakim Noah was playing like an All-Star. Even after his injury ocassional four, five, or six block nights with his other double rebounds/scoring, key putbacks etc. are huge.

    So I think underestimating Joakim's value/effect on this ballclub is a possibility.

    Now do we have some good players remaning in the frontcourt? Yes. Boozer not only scores in about every way a PF/big can, but he draws attention/doubles which lead to wide open threes/shots for Korver etc. And at times he opens the weak side for easy bucket forays by his old sidekick Ronnie Brewer. And Taj has shown he can be a near double double guy himself as a starter with nine or so ppg and eight or nine boards. Plus defensively he's similar to Noah in that he's a very good help defender and shot blocker.

    My question with Taj is is he really healthy? After that torrid start K.C. Johnson said the Bull's front office was "very concerned" about Taj's toe injury. Plus he's said he's still suffering from Plantar Fasciitis. So with Thib's saying Taj will now get a good 36 minutes will he wear down quickly or be healthy enough to be productive for the 30 game Noahless stretch?

    If Taj's physical health is OK, then hopefully mentally with all the tragedy his personally/recently dealt with he can regain his edge, and be aggressive offensively. People always want to look at how the grass would be greener with certain players at other positions. Like Deng at the two(or the four), Boozer at center, Taj at the three/SF etc.

    Well now's your chance because even though most guys play at their primary postions for a reason(limiting speed, size, strength etc.) now Booz and Taj both likely will be playing some center. Asik will play limited minutes unless something shocking occurs, and he elevates beyond servicable. It's just hard to believe that Kurt Thomas will be the major minutes answer at center. Though as shown last year for the Bucks, in limited minutes and well rested he could be a good insurance policy to play 15 or so minutes a game decently at center during Jo's absence.

    Bottom line: I'm interested if Booz and Taj will embrace some possible offensive mismatches with their speed and agility at center while whethering the storm defensively. And will Lu play at times some major minutes at the four, and likewise take advantage of his speed on cuts to the hoop? He's in a defensive zone right now, and has put on a lot of strength the last few years to at least hold his own at 6'9 with many(not all) bigs/PF's.

    It is possible some of these mismatches could actually help the team offensively though at times will certainly hurt on the D side. Finally, people who think losing what was an all-star presence pre-injury in Noah doesn't have the potential for major breakdown by this team might want to think again. It will be critical that the sets and play calling try to use the guys we have Booz and Taj at center to our advantage(turn a neg. into a positive). And also, I for one think Derrick's scoring will have to go back up into the 25ppg range to help make up for Joakim's loss. Anyway will see. Let's just hope the team continues to look pretty good/fun to watch, and doesn't have a major fallback without an at times all-star player, and certainly warrior presence who makes timely/game saving plays in Joakim Noah.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    MVC? Most Valuable Coach

    We certainly think Rose is a potential MVP.

    But how Coach Thibodeau navigates the next 30 games without Noah will tell Bulls fan a lot about our new coach. I think the Circus Trip to the west showed the rest of league some Thibodeau toughness.

    Let's shorten the phrase: these new Bulls are Thibodeau tough.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    One other note, I forgot about(to mention) J.J. If not for his turnovers, I would expect James to get an opportunity for some minutes hopefully contributing some defensive energy, and transition hoops. If he wants to play/be a part of the team this is the time to help pick his teammates up. Could be his last chance before being traded/dumped. I hope Thibs will give him some minutes with the proviso that he can not make bush league/silly passes/turnovers if he expects court time. Come on James, the team needs everybody to pull up the slack with Jo out.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    Too many posts I know, but this from Hoopshype via the Charlotte Observer: Bobcats sinking with blowout losses looking to trade one of their two name players Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace. Listed as one of two teams interested, the Chicago Bulls.

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/12/16/1915954/with-the-season-sinking-charlotte.html

    One interesting thing about both of these guys is that they get to the line. Jackson if he is a solid defender(averages over 1.3 steals pg last few years) also has fairly high assist numbers though he turns the ball over 3 to's a game. I don't know 42% FG's, but you add the FTA's, assists etc. But Jackson is 32. I say no thanks because they say Charlotte(Jordan/Higgins) are asking for a lot in return. One other thing, so many guys have a five to six year range of career years/high field goal percentage etc., and Wallace has had six or seven already with a major drop off this year at 42% FG's. And we'd probably have to give up more then what he's worth plus he's a three/SF, and probably no better then Lu at this point anyway.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Jackson would definitely be worth a draft pick and maybe JJ or Bogans. It may not be much to anybody outside of Chicago, but maybe MJ is willing to help the Bulls out and take that deal for Jackson cause he still has a few more good years left. I would definitely take a chance on Stephen Jackson cause he can still score at a very good efficient rate and he would be perfect at that starting 2 position that is the Bulls weakest position at the moment.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Jackson is sociopath, just go back and review the tape of the Malice at the Palace, he looked and acted like a madman on PCP.

    I don't want this guy anywhere near my team with his poisonous persona.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I know you're a big Bulls fan as we all are, but if the Bulls management can bring in a guy like Stephen Jackson who by the way has been staying out of trouble for some time now, would be a big upgrade at the shooting guard spot and he would be able to put up some very good numbers. Trying to get him at the trade deadline if not before would not hurt but only help the Bulls especially in Noah's absence. I think by the Bulls sometimes looking over guys just because they have some baggage in their past really does hurt this team sometimes. Jackson at times in his career has been a big time player and believe if put in the right situation would be a big boost to the Bulls team cause like Noah, he is an emotional player and he also has some championship experience and a ring to back it up.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    2nd round pick DeAndre Jordan was only 2 picks ahead of us or something....WHY DIDNT WE TRADE UP TO GET HIM? Still dont know why....

    ERick Dampier could of been alright for us too right now.

    But ya i agree with Reese...if the Bulls can grab Stephen Jackson an maybe throw in Shuan Livingston....I Would be VERY VERY VERY happy. Thibs is no nonsense coach, an at this point of jacksons career, i think he might want to win an contend. He could help us out imo. I think he actually plays a little D sometimes too lol. Plus he can stretch the floor with his 3 ball.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    If you want to discuss a Bulls failure to trade up in the draft the pinnacle is the 2007 2nd round when Bulls did not trade up to secure Marc Gasol. Lakers picked Marc at 48 and Bulls got stuck with Aaron Gray at 49.

    This is not Monday morning quarterbacking. Watching the draft in 2007 at the ESPN Zone I was screaming for the tradeup in real time as every team selected in the 2nd round.

    Would you like it if Marc Gasol was on Bulls roster now? He's only making $3.5 million in Memphis. He would have been a great trade asset.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I also think Jackson could take us to that next level. I would really think about pursuing him.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I'd look at bringing in Courtney Sims from the D-League. Give him a non guaranteed contract. We don't really need lightning in a bottle, we just need a little size and some extra fouls up front. As much potential as Asik has, he's very foul prone. If he can average almost 20 and 10 with 63+fg%, we could give him 10-12 minutes a gane without hurting ourselves and burning out Deng at the 4. Small ball can be effective, but not regularly, we don't have the pieces to make it work regularly. Just a thought, but we definitely need size, Noah was our top rebounder, and we will definitely struggle in that regard, and giving teams second opportunities, even poor teams, will come back to bite us in the end...

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Those were his D-League stats that I don't expect to be replicated, but he has the potential to not hurt us while being servicable.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think they should start Thomas and try to get him going a little. Then bring in Taj and Asik off the bench as needed. I also think they should be starting Brewer now as well to bolster the defense (but I've wanted Brewer to start for a long while now either way).

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Thats Odd Jon how would you know we are all clueless followers if you werent (pause for Scooby Doo ending mask removal) MR HAPPY!

    Busted. Busted Cold.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Road Warrior, well thought-out post.

    I like Captain Jack. I watched him at Golden State, he brings a LOT of energy / intensity when he's on the court, both offensively and defensively. He's a strong personality, could he be a destabilizing element to the excellent chemistry of our team? If
    Thib's can harness him and get him on board, I think he could raise this team into serious contention - depending on the cost of the trade, of course. Sam Smith seemed to think that Charlotte would LOVE to get their draft pick back, and that would go a long way to making the trade...

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    The Bulls need to go after DeAndre Jordan from the LA Clippers. This would be an ideal fit and would cost us nothing in return. We could possibly provide JJ or Kurt Thomas and try to gain a draft pick too.

    Cree

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    "Before Dec. 15, five players signed over the summer

  • In reply to saigman:

    The Bobcats see in Tyrus what everyone in Chicago did: he is an extremely talented and worthwhile piece. Unfortunately, this piece doesn't fit in any puzzle that anyone has ever seen. But a great piece nonetheless. Tyrus will always be a bottomless pit of "should've, could've, and what if." The difference is the Bulls broke out of their infatuation with him. Charlotte will do the same sooner rather than later.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Actually Tyrus is genuinely playing well for them. This isn't like the Bulls where he'd have one good game and five bad ones, he's never played well for 1/4 of the season before.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I really don't know why everyone is assuming Thomas/Scal/JJ will get any significant time. If Thibs tried and rejected them previously when the team was down a starter why change now?

    We've been playing a 10 man rotation which is already kind of long, so dropping to a 9 man rotation should be fine. Deng is a better PF than Scal/JJ/Thomas, Gibson is a better C than Scal/JJ/Thomas, so there's no reason why Scal/JJ/Thomas should be in the rotation, just shift guys up a spot to cover Noah's minutes.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Looking at this Knicks team, they are playing some serious ball and they will be a big problem for the Bulls with their inside outside scoring. Just saying, if Boston had a hard time with them, how will the Bulls fare against this team on Xmas day....Just sayin, was the Knicks win in Chicago a fluke?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Not having Noah against them will be a challenge.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    As good as this knicks team might be, watch them drop a ton of games during a brutal stretch they started with boston.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I think the knicks will start cooling down, i think there win streak has been against a bunch of under .500 teams, but i do give them credit they played Boston tough. The radio was saying that the knicks catch many teams off guard because of the way they play. Its very easy to get cuaght up in the run an gun ball an thats what happens to a lot of teams.

    But anyways, i like the Courtney Sims idea.He was dominating in the D League a couple years ago. I would even look at James White for a possible SG option. 6'7 Super Athlete, was averaging over 27ppg in the D League last year. He could be a good defender an a decent scorer if givin a chance.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The Knicks win in Chicago was a fluke, the Knicks weren't playing at a high level then. I also think (even if the Bulls had Noah) they're going to be a tough team to beat at MSG, as Amare is now playing insanely well and the guys around him have lifted.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    SIMS and WEAVER:

    They both had another strong game tonight in the D-League.

    http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/20101217/ERIIWA/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp2021000082

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'll give you a hint how meaningful box score stats are in D-League: Terrence Williams averaged 28/11/11 in his stint.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I would be interested in them. I was at that game last night just a few feet from the court and have to tell you, I knew Weaver was good but was not aware his ball control is sooo good and he can bring the ball up and play PG if needed but with not a ton of assists. Better than Lucas for sure.
    Also Sims impressed me because he has size, not too slow and they sure go to him in the post a tin and he gets a lot of foul calls. If they do not fould him he has the skill to finish and a jump shot is decent although he has not developed the tornado yet in his jump shooting arsenal.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Sims is on our D League squad i think, so i deff. think he will get a look. Weaver should be on this team, i dont know why he isnt. But ya, Id say give Sims a 10 day contract an see what he can do.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Well it's the weekend, and no new posts from Doug. Hmmm... well either he's got some christmas shopping to do, or maybe he just has a life.

    Anyway, Orlando is apparently about to trade for Gibert "Knees" Arenas. And possibly a scary reunion with Hedo Turkoglu as well. The departed being possibly Gortat and Vince(Carter) and/or Rashard Lewis.

    http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/26502822

    Highly doubtful the Bulls are in on any of this since A)Gortat's contract is too large, B) Vince likewise plus he and Rashard both are playoff no-shows specializing in no defense. Still, interesting times. Plus you've got the Charlotte shopping Jackson and Wallace speculation, but again those guys wouldn't seem to be in the Bulls plans(Jackson 32/old and Wallace a SF when we already have Deng). Still, some name pieces in play over the holidays.

    One other note: K.C.(Johnson) and Gar both have stated Derrick will not go back to "carrying the load" scoring wise with Joakim out due to Boozer's return/presence. I think this winning streak combined with Derrick's nasty fall has them seeing D-Rose as more of a facilitator now with Booz scoring 25 ppg lately against paper thin low post lineups like the Thunder and Raps. Guess it will take a loss or two to make them think again.

    With one 18-20ppg scorer and then you add another in their vision of Derrick with little to no offense after that the winning even against sub-par teams IMO slows considerably. But we'll see what Derrick thinks. If there are many games in doubt/Bulls offense is struggling either he will take over or he will not. And if he doesn't have the desire to be the alpha scorer then I guess he will decide that. I just wonder if Thib's view is you win with a stud/mvp type scorer 25ppg+ or he envisions this team with D, Booz, and Lu as a viable tri-fecta ala his Celtics team? Not as a champion per se, but as a top three or four very good Eastern Conf. team.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Now they're saying possibly J-Rich going to Orlando? By the end of today or tomorrow it sounds like a major shakeup either way. If it weren't for Dwight Howard being an overly smiley, cheap shot artist, and Stan Van Mouth ripping the Bulls on so many ocassions(along with his team on the court) I'd be rooting for Orlando as the lesser of two Evils thwarting what is starting to appear who we thought they were in Miami(one bad ass combo/team with James and Wade).

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    LOL...wow Orlando is attempting to make some serious moves. Another tough Florida team for the Bulls contend with, no check that, another tougher team in Florida for the Bulls to deal with. The competition in the east will get that much tougher if these deals by Orlando goes down. Let's see their line up will consist of Richardson Arenas Turkgolu and Howard as their main core, all I can say is the Magic ain't messing around about trying to contend for a championship.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    LOL...wow Orlando is attempting to make some serious moves. Another tough Florida team for the Bulls contend with, no check that, another tougher team in Florida for the Bulls to deal with. The competition in the east will get that much tougher if these deals by Orlando goes down. Let's see their line up will consist of Richardson Arenas Turkgolu and Howard as their main core, all I can say is the Magic ain't messing around about trying to contend for a championship.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Bulls are falling behind as far as talent goes, they will clearly be the 4th or 5th best team in the east with the Noah injury and Orlando and whatever team gets Melo. IMO I don't like the way things are shaping up now or for the future of the Bulls.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    My sources say that Arenas to Orlando is imminent, rather than Richardson. Wait, I don't have sources? And neither does Mr. Happy? I guess we'll just have to rely on ESPN then.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    DONT START ASIK. That is all.

  • In reply to dreverts:

    VOTE FOR ROSE GUYS! HE IS CURRENTLY 3RD BEHIND RONDO & WADE!!!!!
    Everyone here should be voting for him everyday. Its a crime if he doesn't start, but only us Bulls fans are to blame.

    Vote now:
    http://www.nba.com/allstar2011/asb/eng/ballot.html

    You can also text "Rose" to 69622

  • Yeah I know the Bulls situation salary wise is not a good one but OH WELL.. that's all I can say, teams are making big moves though.

  • wow....i really like orlandos squad. To bad its not chicago lol Bulls are fallin behind

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Yep, Bulls falling behind for some years to come because they don't want to go over the salary cap and over the past few years has overvalued some of their players. 1 all star player over the past 12 years says it all.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I mean they are falling behind talent wise.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Falling behind talentwise? Hedo and Gibert Arenas arent the same players they were. I like the Suns trade, but the Wizards trade looks terrible to me right now. Gilbert Arenas for Rashard Lewis? No thanks. The whole thing seems like a wash for me. I think they gained some scoring, but they will lose capwise and on defense. 2 games better for the year, 1 in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Leave a comment...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    So chicagobulls.com says the game is on WGN... Cox says its Miracle on Something Street.

    Does it have to say WGN America under Nat'l TV? I'm (unfortunately) in Omaha now.

    Please don't say its time to man up and get the package...

    Any chance it's actually on WGN (outside of Chi) tonight?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Yes Orlando just improved themselves but doesn't mean that they got the right pieces for improvement. They lost defense and went with more offense. When Dwight is not on the floor, the team is very weak defensively and don't have a great strategy since many of their players seem like black holes rather than willing passers. I feel like this is a move more geared towards Miami rather than a team like Boston which is defense first. If the opposing team is a good defensive team, I don't think this current squad for Orlando is capable of stopping that opposing team during closing time. I think this only upgraded them a slightly but not extremely.

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