Latest Bulls trade rumors

Per Rumorpress.net

The Bulls and Bobcats have discussed an 8 player deal that would send
Stephen Jackson to the Bulls and James Johnson and Taj Gibson as the
key players heading to Charlotte. The Bulls want to keep Taj, but seem
willing to pull the trigger if they can't get OJ Mayo or JR Smith
without giving up Taj.

The Bulls and Grizzlies had discussed a Mayo to Chicago deal, but the
Grizzlies are asking for Taj Gibson, Omer Asik, James Johnson, and the
Charlotte draft pick. The Bulls will not do that trade, but have
considered doing a Gibson, Johnson, Bogans for Mayo deal, which Memphis
wouldn't do at this point.

Per the author, the rest of the article and the thoughts on Darrell Arthur (not quoted) are opinion not part of the actual trade negotiation.

Taj Gibson + James Johnson for Stephen Jackson?   If that's the deal, I'm not a big fan.   Also, the salaries don't come close to lining up, and the Bulls need to send out more salary because they're taking so much back even if a third team is involved.    The salaries would match if the Bulls cut John Lucas and added C.J. Watson, Ronnie Brewer, or Kyle Korver to the deal.

Jackson, on the surface, solves a lot of our problems, but he has two more years of large salary after this one, and he'll be 35 at the end of that contract. He's a volume player, has chucking tendencies, and I think his defense is sliding and will continue to slide over the next couple years.  Jackson's a career 14.8 PER player, that means over his career, he's been below average. 

Now PER isn't good at judging role players, because it gives a lot of credit to guys who have high usage and play with volume.   There is sense in that, because it's harder to create your own shot then it is to feed off of others, however, Jackson has been a volume player.  If he was good, he'd have a higher PER.  His career high is 16.1.   The guy is going to be 33 this season is shooting 41.5% from the floor and 36.5% from the three point line. 

I don't know that Jackson is really an upgrade over Brewer even though he shoots better and can create his own low efficiency shot better, he doesn't bring as much defense and most of his shot creation doesn't really yield great results.

As for the other rumor about O.J. Mayo, I pass on that trade if I'm the Bulls as well.   However, that deal isn't far off from making sense.   I'd remove Omer from the trade, but once Noah is back healthy, I'd consider pulling the trigger after that.   Making this trade though, the Bulls need to be willing to commit to fairly large future salaries.

Mayo's going to demand an 8 figure salary after next season, so if you aren't willing to pay it to him then you can't make this trade now.   However, even though Mayo's name and raw stats make him sound more impressive than he is, he does bring several things to the table that the Bulls can really use.   He can defend, shoot, and become a secondary creator off the dribble, plus he's young enough that he can team up with Rose for the next 5-6 seasons.  

However, much of the good of Mayo is theoretical.  Hoping he'll become the player people think he can be rather than the player he's shown himself to be thus far.  He doesn't rebound as well as he should, he doesn't have many assists given his usage, and he's also a sub 15 PER guy for his career with his career high 14.6 (career average 14.2).   His lack of PER is typically in not adding anything outside of his offense.

Do you give up Taj Gibson and multiple picks for that?  If you're going to win now, maybe you do, but the problem is that Mayo costs you a crapload more and isn't necessarily helping your team more.  You may have just stripped multiple future assets and your best value contract to give your team similar total overall talent and create a hole in the front court rather than the backcourt.

It will be interesting to see what the Bulls come up with.  Clearly they're involved in talks, but we'll see if any of them come to fruition.

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  • Don't like Jack. 35, it's just old. Go for Mayo or Earl Smith.

  • In reply to supercesto:

    on top of all the basketball issues, he is a raging sociopath and a jackass to boot.

  • Theres going to be trades that some of us won't be popular with, the Bulls should definitely not settle though cause one way or another they will continue to have to improve this team. I mean let's face it... they are close to being capped out and will be for the next few years or so. The idea is to get better right? If the Bulls are to get better, they don't need to trade future pieces and assets for something short term. We have to remember Miami Orlando N.Y. and N.J. if they do land Melo will continue to get better as well and the Bulls don't want to fall too far out of the picture.

  • mayo looks like high risk/reward type of gamble. Dont forget that just two seasons ago he looked pretty good, and he hasn't been injured or anything, its more of a system/role type of problem with him. Then again he could suck. But the bulls have been playing it safe for years now, maybe its time to go against the usual methodology for once and just jump into this one. If he really sucks you don't have to give him an extension next year.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    You mean like drafting Tyrus Thomas over Aldridge?

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    IMO RumorPress.net does not sound like someone I consider as a very reliable source for trade rumors. People keep assuming other teams want Taj, but his injury history so far in the NBA is worrisome. I'm not saying Memphis wouldn't do the above stated trade, but I'd be surprised if it was true.

    I'd hate to give up Taj, but I would be tempted to do that deal. Again, I'm just discouraged that a guy with Mayo's speed and handle can't get more then 2. something FTA's per game. When I watched him he just sat around the perimeter waiitng to shoot threes. Mayo has the talent to me that if a a guy like Riley got a hold of him(I haven't seen anything to indicate O.J. is a jerk or a poor work ethic) he would be a very good SG 16-17 ppg 46% and up solid D with ability to shoot threes for at least two or three seasons. Rebounds need to come up also.

    Finally, anyone who is interested in the 32 year old Stephen Jackson who for his career shoots .418(for his career!), and giving up Taj for him then I'd say you're not thinking clearly. Though he does board and get to the line granted, but still no way. O.J. is the only guy out there who sounds plausible as a difference maker for the Bulls(and it's not a given that Thibs gets the best out of him/offensive potential reached).

  • Mayo looks good as starting SG for the Bulls but he does have a bit of a "criminal" or questionable past already:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Mayo

    I'd really like TT to start KK or Brewer so we can evaluate them before the deadline. I'd hate us to trader Brewer and Taj away and regret it later...I'd really like those young guys in the Bulls future plans...also JJ! :-)
    Mayo is going to demand too much $ and I rather us eval what we have now and stop starting Bogans!
    I agree our window is somewhat small as is for Boston and the Lakers as well and a trade to put us over the top is going to cost us some good guys because we don't have many tradeable pieces now and to win big you have to gamble big!

  • In reply to smiley:

    Reading through his wiki profile sure makes Mayo a more tempting trade. I did not know he scored so high on his ACT. I would not consider him a thug for driving in a car with 3 other guys and one joint. Very high upside, and he can score. If only we could keep Taj.

  • In reply to smiley:

    I have been getting up on my soapbox lately about aquiring Stephen Jackson, and seeing this deal gets me excited. The guy isnt 35 yet, he actually just turned 33. The good play of Kurt Thomas and Omer Asik makes giving away Gibson easier, and if you ask me, the James Johnson expiriment is not going well, with James getting less playing time than in his rookie year.

    That being said: I would like to pay a lot less than that for Jackson, but he is sure to be the target of multiple teams. For those seeking Mayo: buyer beware. Mayo is worth one of those assets; the charlotte pick or gibson. Giving up the asking price for Mayo would be horrible.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Gibson and the Charlotte pick is too much for Mayo.

    Memphis needs to pick one or the other, but not both

  • In reply to smiley:

    The Mayo trade has to happen if the bulls want to compete with the likes of Boston, Miami, and Orlando ... heck we couldn't even beat New York and they do not have Carmelo yet. If O.j. can average at least 13 pts. and 6 assist per night ( which is obtainable considering his current stats) then we should easily be in contention for a championship ...( a line up of D. Rose, O.J. Mayo, Brewer at small forward, Boozer, and Noah is a very good lineup ...with Korver, Deng, and Thomas being strong reserves).

  • In reply to smiley:

    REALITY CHECK:

    I find it hard to believe the Bulls would give up Taj for anyone other than Melo.

    Rumors are just rumors.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Oddly enough, I completely agree.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    realistically i think the bulls will either stay with what they have, or go after JR Smith or Richard Hamilton. Their looking for shooters with expiring contracts without having to trade key players. I don't see the bulls giving up Taj Gibson for anyone.. but with that said its not a hole at shooting guard that is loosing games.. its a lack defense in the 4th quarter, poor free throw percentage, and poor field goal percentage. cut to the basket in the 4th.. get high percentage shots. theres no reason for cold shooters to settle for jump shots when it counts in the 4th..

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    I'm going to ignore the fact you just included Rip in this conversation.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    lol i don't want rip, but i hear detroit is shopping him.. its a rumor

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    you know what.. looking at salaries and staying under the cap, the only SGs the bulls can go after are really oj mayo n JR smith without giving up taj

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    Agree. Even if we wanted Rip (no) his salary is so damn high. How about this for a questionable move. Was looking at free agents for next year, Michael Redd will be out there for a discount rate. He probably wouldn't fit, but wanted to throw that out there while we were throwing pure shooters around.

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    No offense but you personally gotta be a d!ckhead to not do that deal for mayo..omer couldnt even start with joakim was out and isnt even our best backup center.. james johnson doesnt amount to anything and taj's potiential doesnt rate anything close to mayo goingfoward.. the grizzles are makinghim look like a bum because theyre cheap it isnt him.. were basically saying lets bring back ben gordon without the chucking..mayo & rose workout together in l.a with westbrook so the bond is there..and doug mayo cant stay in front of a fathead sticker.. but you are hobestly overrating taj at this point by not bringing in a guy who basically avg just as much as their so called franchise player in gay.. but thats why their the grizzles.. get mayo but my only provlem isnt finding a backup for boozer.. but thats where carl landry or jason thompson come in play..but i guess you guys are goina say no thank you and rather sign chris richards.. smh ya gotta start taking what you can get especially when were not in command at all given it isnt our core..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    You are extremely overvaluing Mayo if you would give up Taj, Omer and the pick! That leaves a bigs rotation of Jo, Booz, limited minutes to Kurt and a D-league scrub!

    I agree with giving up Taj and even the pick but with Omer too that makes our frontline rotation so weak!

    Taj+JJ+Brewer+the pick should be more than enough! But Memphis didn't sign brewer back so I don't know why they would want him now

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I didn't look at the salaries brewer wouldn't fit into the trade so throw in Scal who is an expiring (I think?)

    I think memphis is being too greedy for what they use Mayo for and what Taj could do for them especially if they could slide Z-Randolph over to 5 like Utah did with Jefferson

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    but see .. this is where we view why our side of the trade should work.. there goina trade mayo so they can resign gasol and randolph.. thats why i dont care what we give up to get him unless its our core.. whatever gets the deal done besides korver..they dont want mayo anymore.. and if people are so for getting iggy because of scoring then why are ya so against getting mayo.. mayo is a better scorer and a better fit offensively without breaking up our team..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    they could careless about taj since they want to bring back gasol and z.bo.. thats why you trade more.. its called convincing..they dont need taj at all but because hes solid thats what you try to sell.. the talent from mayo & smith to other shooting guards like nick young is so far of a drop its not even funny.. thats why im really pushing for a deal for one of the two.. these guys can really turn us from a contender out east to a short list of teams truly in the running for a title..

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Agree, Noah, Boozer and nobody(Thomas or whatever) gets us nowhere in the playoffs.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    i will give tai and johnson for mayo and that's it. but the bulls should tried to star brewer and play the running game with rose.brewer is good goind into the basket too.so they should give him a chance and keep that pick in just in case you never know if charlote gets the # 1 pick with got are shootiing guard we need! and stil have are bench

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    wow so the deal breaker is omer?

    your overvauling omer.. and taj.. i never said mayo is a surefire allstar or superstar like some believe. but you have to use your brain..

    omer brings nothing.. and lets be honest please.. you guys kill me with that.. this is far from the noah and anthony deal..noah is a rare talent. taj for mayo is ripping memphis.. if mayo was putting up the numbers from last year or the year before you guys wouldnt believe this was even possible.. taj is backing up the guy you put a heavy investment in.. your not suppose to expect boozer to be out more than he plays which means taj is only there for incase..but meanwhile there is no incase with our sg.. your not willing to give up a guy who isnt even our best "backup" big in omer and a guy whos just a insurance policy that you can fill in because of what? like if there isnt any other players that can fill their role? like i said this isnt close to the noah deal.. noah is rare and is apart of our core.. taj isnt apart of our core and is replaceable.. your talking about a guy who can one day make a allstar team and WILL be apart of our CORE and a guy whos backing up your allstar pf who you just broke the bank on.. and please dont bring up omer again.. we can just get thabeet to replace to thenothing that he brings .. he only brings size..thats it.. he has no offense..admit it.. he isnt blocking shots at all like in euro.. & you know it.. and he isnt bringing anything but length that you can find somewhere else..dont give me he's new to the country and getting adjusted.. its basketball.. do you need to learn english to block a f**king shot? serge ibaka didnt need to.. its still basketball.. gallo barely knew english but still can shoot.. so whats the hype around him?

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Asik is a better player than you give him credit for. He's strong defensively, and has a strong shot blocking prescence. I didn't know how strong, so I went on NBA.com and checked out his numbers. Omer is currently #10 in the NBA in blocks per 48 minutes. Which makes him the most effective shot blocker on the Bulls. He's also and excellent help defender. And he is a rookie. An extremely raw rookie. As long as he is under our control for the next few years, I'd like to see how he pans out.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    No giving up Taj and Asik in the sme trade without a quality big coming back is my deal breaker.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    wow so the deal breaker is omer?

    your overvauling omer.. and taj.. i never said mayo is a surefire allstar or superstar like some believe. but you have to use your brain..

    omer brings nothing.. and lets be honest please.. you guys kill me with that.. this is far from the noah and anthony deal..noah is a rare talent. taj for mayo is ripping memphis.. if mayo was putting up the numbers from last year or the year before you guys wouldnt believe this was even possible.. taj is backing up the guy you put a heavy investment in.. your not suppose to expect boozer to be out more than he plays which means taj is only there for incase..but meanwhile there is no incase with our sg.. your not willing to give up a guy who isnt even our best "backup" big in omer and a guy whos just a insurance policy that you can fill in because of what? like if there isnt any other players that can fill their role? like i said this isnt close to the noah deal.. noah is rare and is apart of our core.. taj isnt apart of our core and is replaceable.. your talking about a guy who can one day make a allstar team and WILL be apart of our CORE and a guy whos backing up your allstar pf who you just broke the bank on.. and please dont bring up omer again.. we can just get thabeet to replace to thenothing that he brings .. he only brings size..thats it.. he has no offense..admit it.. he isnt blocking shots at all like in euro.. & you know it.. and he isnt bringing anything but length that you can find somewhere else..dont give me he's new to the country and getting adjusted.. its basketball.. do you need to learn english to block a f**king shot? serge ibaka didnt need to.. its still basketball.. gallo barely knew english but still can shoot.. so whats the hype around him?

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Bulls won't give up Taj for oj mayo regardless of how you think it makes sense.. Besides backing up boozer he can play multiple positions. You cant find anyone in the realm of how good he is for the peanuts (1 - 2 mil) you pay him per year. Taj is on lock for the next 2 years unless an amazing blockbuster deal comes along...

    i like Mayo.. You do everything you can to get Mayo, minus Taj. you could even trade brewer and johnson for mayo.. i don't know why you would pay brewer 4 5 mil to play 15 min a night back up to mayo anyway.. the bulls said this summer they brought on brewer with the intent for him to start.. if u have mayo.. watson and korver can back up the sg spot..

  • In reply to busterd85:

    i know that.we all do.. but to act like this is the situation where the player is rare and is crucial to this team is crazy(i.e noah-denver deal)..

    i might or might not get killed for this.. but who shouldnt do this deal..

    richard hamilton & tayshuan prince to chicago

    luol deng,ronnie brewer,1st,jj & bogans to det

    i know thats not what detroit would do.. but maybe send those in a three team.. but our team would be vastly improved on offense and defense.. say what you want but detroit has a team full of chuckers so rip & prince isnt the same and they would be a steal on our team in a different situation..both on offense and defense.. theyre a better duo than the char. one everyone keeps asking for..

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    They have been shopping him forever, no one wants him - especially us.

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    to be honest i might be the first to say why not.. before the season started we complained it was the 3 ball that we would struggle with thats why we didnt want him and his salary..but since rose has absolutely exceeded expectations on range and deng is def better i wouldnt mind anymore.. we could say whatever we want.. but to be honest its only 3 reasons why i wouldnt mind..

    1.(most importantly)we have keith bogans..
    you guys cant be greedy at all when your playing the worst starting 2 guard in the league.

    2. we dont have to part with any key players..not even our bench..just the bulls 1st and try to match salaries

    3 were not paying any salary from our pockets so contracts dont matter to us..only reinsdorf..

    so if we can get what we can then it doesnt matter.. just because he isnt the player he used to be doesnt mean he isnt a good player at all.. him now is better than alot of the shooting guards we name on this website..so a new start on a winning team with the same role as the great days in detroit and not having to be forced into scoring with a point guard and teammates who actually pass.. but people dont wanna see that,thats why he drop off so much.. its the team around him who doesnt pass or score in the paint.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I have to say I agree that taking a chance with Rip isn't the worst idea. You all seem to be forgetting how good he can be. Most great players would decline if they were polluted by the state of the Detroit Pistons, Rip can still ball.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    If you've read Sam Smith's blog you know that OJ Mayo is a stand up individual. He is getting screwed over in Memphis and he is dealing with it beautifully. Sam has remained close to Mayo and can give a solid description as to who he really is as a player. Mayo would have been drafted 1st overall if he could have came straight out of high school, yet he isn't a stuck up unrealistic child like most kids who've had the same career path. I for one believe strongly that the best way to judge how a player will progress is by his age, talent, and his character. Its why I believe that Kevin Durant and Derrick Rose will be the best two players in the NBA by the time they turn 26. DRose has that 'it' factor, as does Durant, they both love the game in a pure sense. From what I've read per Sam Smith Mayo is smart, honest, and a team player. When you see a guy with massive talent who's managed to keep his values, you put your money on him. Losing Taj sucks because it would be great to have him as Boozer declines, but the way I see it Taj and Mayo are the same type of player(young, talented, with good character); the difference is Mayo fits our paramount need. I hope we can push for Mayo without giving up too much, but I'm not going to flinch at the idea of including Taj in the package that lands Mayo in Chicago.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Oh and LOL to the mention of his marijuana incident, people who think Marijuana use tells you about their values and character need to wake up.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Great arguments CSG! I'm on board! Please pass the Mayo to Chicago that is...has a nice ring to it with this being such a food city! LOL

  • In reply to smiley:

    Don't have the money to resign Mayo, and the Grizzlies are asking too much. Agree with everything you said CSG, but we can't surrender the amount of assets they are asking. It's not just giving up Taj, they want our #1's and Asik. You can't bleed off our talented big men for more depth at SG, especially when you can't retain the talent. Any trade under the current pretenses weakens the Bulls significantly. What are you suggesting, we play Boozer and Thomas, with James Johnson and Scalabrine rotating in?

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Oh, JJ was included in the trade, nvm. We could always trade for Aaron Gray again.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    INSIDE INFO:

    This is what MJ, George Karl and Paxson are discussing.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2bpnqdb

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    An insider who doesn't know George Karl is the coach, not the GM, of the Nuggets. Credible source!

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    come on, we need the Mask.

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    I've got a basic question for you all: Is it even POSSIBLE to win it all this year? Are we going for it now, next year, or building a dynasty? I had thought Next Few Years looked good, as our team gets better, conventional wisdom says it takes a few years to build a champion (but before Boozer's too old), Boston and probably LA will fade soon... but that still leaves Orlando strengthening and Miami looking like THEY'RE the likely Next Dynasty!

    So maybe it does come down to NOW. Try to steal one this year before Florida comes to dominate the NBA world for a few years - or before the lock-out. And if you're planning to go for it NOW - as Derek would say, why can't we win now? - then how does that affect the trade questions? Gibson for Jackson sucks in two years but might mean a championship now? Maybe you DO rent 'Melo for a year then, whatever the cost, if you're afraid that Miami in particular will become unstoppable over the next three years, as they follow Boston's path of acquiring quality ring-hungry vets for cheap... In the end, we should still have Derek and Joakim, so we'll still be decent when the dust settles...

    (Me, I don't personally even care SO much if we win a championship again soon, I just enjoy watching My Bulls, and love it MUCH better when they look good and win lots of games and some playoff games too. Heck, I got "my" six championships Back Then. So I'm happy with running a quality team and dreaming about Derek and Jo's future...)

  • In reply to petert23:

    His name is spelled Derrick - he is the best player on the team - please get it right :)

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    Sorry / thanks...

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    Maybe he is a Yankee fan.

  • I like Deng, but there was a rumor in the offseason of Deng to Orlando for Gortat and Pietrus...why didn't we do that deal?
    Prob cause of Wade screwing with us...he is so dead to us Bulls fans! :-)

  • In reply to smiley:

    I hated him since long long ago... im happy he didnt come

  • In reply to smiley:

    Looks like were really underestimating taj Gibson he is slot more important to the team then we think. If teams knew b4 the draft that Gibson would be this good he would of been a lottery pick. I just don't see any of those trades making any sense. Jackson's good and all but hes too expensive and a bit older then I would like. The mayo trade sounds a little better but people are overrating him a little bit. He's not going to put us over the top. I guess if we don't mind scalabrine being our back up pf then I guess ok. From the trades mentioned it would only b a band aid for the 2 guard spot, but it would really kill our bench.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Who do you guys want then? You don't want Jackson or Mayo, then who!? You don't wanna give up Taj? Are you guys fine with this team as is? I don't get you Bulls fans sometimes SMH

  • In reply to smiley:

    OJ Mayo is an interesting target, but I'm inclined to think the Bulls stay with what they have.

  • In reply to smiley:

    for me, dengs sucks !! he is too irregular. I'd rather trade Deng for great player than giving Gibson and Omer Asik

  • Doug,

    The term "settle" refers to them staying as is.

    That won't win them a championship, which needs to the ultimate goal.

  • You definetly make the Gibson for Mayo trade. He is not playing well in Memphis, but imagine him next to Rose on a structured team! Look at this in the most simplistic form, OJ Mayo or Taj Gibson......you take Mayo in a heartbeat. Then you look at the Bulls and they have a GIGANTIC hole at SG and Gibson is playing BEHIND an all star. Taj is going to want good money and with the numbers Mayo has put up, he will NOT get any more than 5 years 40 million. Taj is going to demand some nice cash when he becomes a FA also.

  • In reply to Dajody10:

    Dajody,

    Mayo isn't a DIFFERENCE-MAKER or a CLUTCH CLOSER.

    That's what the Bulls really need to win it all.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Mayo is good and an upgrade. But I doubt he puts Bulls over the top. So he can't be worth both the Charlotte pick and Taj.

  • I wonder why you don't hear anything about Courtney Lee. That's one guy we could get without giving anyone up for him, just maybe draft picks. Two other guys I have always liked are Leandro Barbosa and Linus Kleiza of Toronto. Maybe you could swing a minor deal with them, they also have the Bosh exception too.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Yeap, I like the potential of Mayo, but I'd just do what it takes to get Lee at this point. I don't want to give up Taj with our health issues. Maybe closer to the deadline, when Noah is closer to return, but not yet, and I still don't know if I do it for Mayo.

    I just plain don't want Jackson. With a young team like ours, I can't see giving up so much for a two year rental of a declining player. Especially not when we probably won't be in a financial position to go out and replace him in two years.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Too wild a trade do I have here? New York embarrassed the Bull's on Christmas Day! Orlando's old team embarrassed the Bulls and their new team looks even better! The Old Celtic's team of this year has embarrassed the whole league! Our Bulls are 0-5 against the elite teams like San Antonio, and 0-2 against a new NY team. Like it or not, a reality check is not wild and Bull's management must compete with those teams and carry the swagger of a winner!
    Wade, Bosh, and James have a swagger of a winner and they made a fool out of our Bull's management's good and honest intentions. Under the same cap space we could have a more competitive team--one that plays with confidence! There is no other player like Carmelo Anthony who may be available, nor is there a Stephen Jackson (at the two guard) in the near future's horizon--and as much as I like Deng, Brewer, Korver they are passive individuals that do not wear the swagger of a winner. All the players here that I suggested in a trade (like the ones from Philly) may or may no be the answer, but just like Orlando did--Our Bulls must do also with a reality check--and opportunity may not knock on our door again.

    I ran this thru ESPN's trade machine and I like this trade for the four teams involved after listening to you and other fans advice and opinions. I still think Denver could accept Igoudala.

    Okay here it is fans--use your vision:

    The Bulls should sparticipate in a four team trade including Charlotte, Denver, Philly, and Chicago.

    Charlotte gets: J.R. Smith, Keith Bogans, James Johnson, Kurt Thomas, Ronnie Brewer, Darius Songala, Andres Nocioni, and C. J. Watson.

    Philadelphia gets: L.Deng, Matt Carole, And Korver.

    Denver Gets: Boris Diaw, N. Mohammad, Gerald Wallace, Igoudala, and 3 Chicago Draft Picks

    Chicago Gets: Nene, Anthony, and Jackson.

    Chicago winds up with ten players on the team, and having to sign Weaver as a point guard, Sims as another center, and one other defensive specialist from their D-League team.

    Chicago would have starting Nene at center, Boozer at Power forward, Anthony at Small Forward, Rose at point guard, and Stephen Jackson at Shooting Guard. On the Chicago bench would be Gipson at PF, Noah at Center, Weaver at Point Guard, Sims at SF, and the defensive specialist at Shooting guard. Scalabrine and Lucas remainding on the bench.

    The Bulls would still be under the cap and every position would be upgraded but the PG and PF--as the team would be legitamate contenders for the championship. Okay Bulls fans , How do you like this bold move.

  • In reply to penwit1:

    Please explain why this is a good move for the other teams involved. Denver might be getting enough but what is charlotte really getting?

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Charlotte is getting almost a whole new team of players who can also play defense and follow instuctions much better than the players they have now. They can combine these and keep the best to have a better team than they do have now!

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    they are getting the leftovers!

  • In reply to bcz1980:

    Other than Jackson and Wallace--What does Charlotte have? The players they would get would be an upgrade at every position--and they would not be defensive liabilities. The would seasoned and experience players that are servicable and with Thomas and Bogans they would have depth and players teams could use during emergencies. The two young players have a huge upside. All of these players are coachable and give Charlotte some stability.

  • In reply to penwit1:

    I'd much rather see the bulls get somebody young who they can groom to play next to Rose rather than some retread who is going to cause more problems than he fixes. SG isn't nearly the problem that most of you make it out to be...

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Having players that can space the floor and hit shot at the SG spot seems very important to create as much space for Rose to attack or make the D pay the price for helping of the SG.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    AT this point... the shooting guard position is the sore thumb on this team and Noah being injured is the broken hand literally. The Bulls definitely need more scoring help from the perimeter since our buddy Deng can't seem to put good scoring games together and it seems as though he is starting to rub off on Korver cause he has been shooting bricks as of late.

  • In reply to penwit1:

    Worst. Trade. Ever.

    How exactly do we trade 7 players and 3 first-round picks and get only 3 players back? Do we go sign 4 players out of the D-League then? This isn't a video game.

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    Worst trade ever? Think big? Small minds don't have a vision! What good are those several players when they only guarantee us several 50 win seasons and never a championship. Are you about winning or what? This trade gives us a solid starting five--and we still have Noah, Gibson, on our Bench. We still have cap money for other players and with Weaver and Sims we are looking good. Think Big--Look at Orlando, Miami, Boston--and compare what we have now to them--Small minds only see what they want to see and not reality!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    we need Taj because of boozer has injury problems we also have a lotery pick where we could get a young SG who has great potential. so i dont think we should trade either of those assets, espicaly for oj mayo or stephen jackson

    but we do need a fix at sg it could be as ez as benching bogans and start brewer or we could trade for one. i like jr smith because hes got 1 year left on his contract and we dont have to resign him. he is a proven scorer who can hit the 3ball. this would be a high reward low risk trade, if he causes problems let him go but if he behaves we could sign him. plus hes still young and plays decent d but could become a great defender under tibs. the only problem is he has to listen to tibs and be respectful

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

  • In reply to Qtip55:

    I agree, you don't get rid of Taj.. Taj is boozer insurance, and good insurance at that. I'd rather have oj mayo, but if it means giving up Taj I'm not a fan. Jr Smith would be a good move, he can shoot lights out, run the court well with rose.. huge upside, 1 year contract..

  • In reply to AirPrentice23:

    Yeah, buy you have to PAY Taj. And his agent will want market value. Which will be 6-8 Million. If the Bulls don't pay....someone else will.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    he could be worth that now but we still have him under contract for 2 years.

    the only reason we should trade him is if we get melo which i dont think will happen or if we get a pf whos is close to Tajs talent level because boozer has injury problems and if he goes down and we dont have a good backup for him then that sg we traded for will mean nothing

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Nice to met someone with a brain.. then we can say taj is overpaid and omg we need to get rid.of him and mr happy will be posting trade machine links all day..

    Yes we need taj.. but taj isnt our starter you guys dont get that.. if it brings a guy who can play 30 + mins at a huge hole of.ours like mayo already you do it because hes on the court more than not.. do you guys realize your saying no to a 20 point scorer and 30 mins a game for a guy whos avg less than 10 and is backing up a allstar..he isnt playing a needed role on this team everygame.. yes his play is good not saying hes a bum but honestly your already paying boozer nearly 15 mil i think and hes goina play most of the minutes and hes playing at a extremly high pace. Taj isnt needed as much as a starting 2 guard for us is. Taj is only being kept because of.injury history.. but that doesnt mean taj is the only backup pf in this league.. you guys are pushing his market to far.. for rudy no..for mayo? Are you kidding me? You can easy replace taj ..easily.. we still havent replaced gordon at all.. were playing keith bogans and you guys are being picky for a guy whos backing up your highest paid player.. you can find someone else to to that.. seriously this keith bogans and this not dealing taj is getting out of hand.. theres guys like dejuan blair and etc out there that you can find.. your just wanting boozer to get hurt to show what taj is here for..you.dont hold back like a guy like taj when you have arguably the worst starting two.guard.in the league and.your trying to win championships.. im sorry he isnt that special to do so..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    injury history or not.. THERES OTHER PLAYERS THAT CAN DO THAT.. STOP BANKING ON BOOZER TO GET INJURIED TO SAY.. SEE THATS WHY WE GOT TAJ ..WERE SO SMART..MEAN WHILE WE HAVE KEITH BOGANS AS OUR STARTER .. TAJ DOESNT HAVE TO GO I GET WHY YOU GUYS WANT HIM HERE BUT YOU GUYS ARE HOLDING BACK ON MAYO AND SMITH FOR WHAT? TO SAY ONE DAY YOUR SMART FOR HAVING HIM THERE INCASE..6-8 MILLION SOMEDAY FOR JUST AN EMERGENCY? THE GRIZZLES ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION GIVEN THERE JUST PULLING THIS GUY DOWN BECAUSE THEYRE POOR.. YOU TAKE WHAT YOU.CAN GET..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    im just saying that if we trade Taj away we need to get anoth pf who can fill his spot who will still be productive

    if we can realy get mayo or smith for Taj than do it but we need to get another pf then because we still need some1 off the bench who can score on the block

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I remember a policy Jerry Krause had. He never believe in giving up a big man for a small one. Because of this policy the Bull's were very successful, Taj is a big man and a good one, they are too hard to come by. Management must use other ways to get Mayo

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Paying Taj will be worth it to the Bulls. Boozer isn't our long term solution at PF. Taj can be that long term plan.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Would you be willing to give up that Charlotte pick for Courtney Lee?

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it could be a Top 10 pick in 2012. Bobcats are bad, and are going to have to rebuild

  • In reply to bjonesrp13:

    It's protected, so we won't get it in 2012 if it's top 10.

  • In reply to bjonesrp13:

    think we can weight till the deadline to make a move. and the best long term move we can make is to start brewer and bench bogans. up korvers min and let korver and rose play together, we signed him to hit the three and spread the court for rose so why doesnt he get alot of playing time with rose.

    id like to see the bulls play small ball more with rose brewer korver deng and boozer. this would still be a strong defensive team and can spread the court.

    with all the trade talk every team is asking for are frontcourt backups which will need when we play the better teams we cant win if noah and boozer are in foul trouble and were playing scal and thomas. trade one of them fine but not all of them.

    plus if we can weight a year we will have a lotery pick where we could draft a top sg to fill the spot. if we trade Taj i think it should be for another pf or for a pure shooter.

  • I understand that his career total for assists is 3.2 ... so is it a stretch for him to average 2.8 more a year and have him maintain his current point average ( which he has averaged with reduced playing time in Memphis)??? I think that's an obtainable goal???

  • A SENSIBLE DEAL:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28b87e5

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why would we do that??

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Because that is a great deal. Howard looks good again for the first time since his injury. Don't think Washington wants to do that, though.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I would be ok with Mayo, Jackson or J.R. At the right price. I would prefer Mayo for his youth as someone who could continue to grow with DRose. As much as I like Taj i think he isn't exactly irreplaceable. Yes he has a good contract but a starting SG would be on the floor for many more minutes than Taj and would replace the weak link that is Bogans. Deng would get some extra minutes at the PF and Brewer could play a few at SF. If Noah wasn't hurt this would be a no-brainer IMO.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    apparently we need another back up for Deng, oh wait, Mappy thinks that there is not difference between shooting guard and small forward.

    Maybe he is just confused by all the younglings in the league, Sam Young, Nick Young whats the difference, shooting guard, small forward whats the difference.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    And maybe someday you will actually GET A CLUE.

    The Bulls lack BENCH/WING SCORING and it certainly isn't coming from Dickey Johnson and/or Keith Bogans.

    I prefer Melo and/or Nick Young, but J Howard would help too.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I'm not saying that Omer is the deal breaker but it leaves us really small at the front court

  • In reply to BigWay:

    one question.. am i the only one who see's that tom thibodeau isnt superior to vinny del negro?

    if we gave del negro this same team maybe we have just 1-3 more losses.. but tom thibodeau is making just as much as dumb mistakes.. the knicks game with not playing the starters for the final 9,keith bogans,if you saw the play he ran at the end of the pistons game you would understand to.. he had kyle korver inbound passing the ball with rose making no actions other than just coming to the ball and just shoot. and they end up giving the ball to boozer on such a obvious play.. why is korver inbound passing the ball? and why is rose is running straight to the ball and boozer just standing there? i dont get it.. he makes the stupidest decisions sometimes like the substitutions.. he's smarter than del nelgro and has more experience but how much of that is actually being shown? i like tom way more than vinny.. but i mean comeon.. its the baby decisions that he makes that make you question him? its amazing how we act like its not a problem.. winning cures everything but would this team honeslty be any different with vinny? watch someone get so denial.. when its only the truth..

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Utah,

    To add BENCH SCORING and an EXPIRING CONTRACT.

    That's about it. I don't think JHoward is a game-changer.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I think Taj is worth giving up for a SG we aren't going to be able to keep him when he becomes a FA anyways...

    And like KING said seeing the way Omer and Kurt have played as of late makes me feel better about giving up Taj....

    I just don't know about Jackson's age but then again look at Ray Allen...

    I think I would give up Taj if you can keep Brewer and Korver because you can cut dengs minutes at the 3 and play him more at the 4

  • I agree with Mr. Happy regarding Taj...we shouldn't give Taj up for either of these guys....but if we could steal Mayo w/out giving up Taj somehow. Some combo of the Charlotte pick, JJ and Bogans etc. Not sure how realistic that is tho.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    why not give up Taj??? At this point he is a backup power forward with great potential. We went out and got Carlos Boozer so you have to figure Taj will not crack the starting lineup consistently for the next 2 to 3 years. He's are best chance to getting a good enhancement at SG.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    Charlotte is likely to suck forever(Jordan isn't rich enough to compete with the billionaire owners), so we probably don't get that pick until it becomes unprotected.

    Given how far off that is I would prefer to keep Taj and give up the pick to get Mayo. but then we have to find salary to make the deal work.

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    If we traded for Mayo and he proves that it was a successful trade by his play can we sign him and be over the cap with the Bird Rule?

    I dunno why everyone is saying he would be our 4th scoring option I could easily see him being our 3rd and then give a Deng a lesser role which seems like he would be fine with and maybe even better at

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    he will be.. mayo is far better as a scorer.. but what we get from mayo isnt scoring whats needed.. its the fact that he's got a true stroke from 3..he can carry the load when rose goes out..the reason why im so for mayo is the fact like the melo situation back in 08.. they were goina trade him for next to nothing just because of his attitude but nj had nothing to trade trade then.. mayo is about to get dealt for nothing for no reason at all but salary.. mayo is a steal.. he's basically ben gordon or a young ray allen in mil. just hopes he turns into the ray allen of now.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    he will be.. mayo is far better as a scorer.. but what we get from mayo isnt scoring whats needed.. its the fact that he's got a true stroke from 3..he can carry the load when rose goes out..the reason why im so for mayo is the fact like the melo situation back in 08.. they were goina trade him for next to nothing just because of his attitude but nj had nothing to trade trade then.. mayo is about to get dealt for nothing for no reason at all but salary.. mayo is a steal.. he's basically ben gordon or a young ray allen in mil. just hopes he turns into the ray allen of now.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    What about Wilson Chandler from the Knicks? Could he play the 2? We could match salaries with James Johnson and a 1st round pick. The Knicks might do it to have more ammo to get Melo if they really wanted

  • In reply to FreeJoakim:

    The Knicks are playing well and he is a vital piece of that. I don't think they want to mess with chemistry unless they are certain to get Melo. Also, wouldn't necessarily agree Chandler is worth JJ and a first-round pick. Lastly, he is not a 2-guard. He is a 3 that likes to rebound and shoot 3's and not much else. He is a DePaul guy though which is nice...

  • In reply to DanFrystak:

    its basically saying add chandler to the knicks package.. they like us.. arent breaking up our team.. theres no reason too.. there goina keep searching for other ways.. they might just send randolph for indianas 1st and use that with gallo & curry..chandlers been too good to even be in the same breath as james johnson..he cant even play in a bad rotation.

  • In reply to FreeJoakim:

    i'm doing the Mayo trade. We loose all of big man back-up by this trade. Why don't bring Ben Gordon by giving up Taj Gibson. BG and Mayo have the same numbers (0,45% FG and 0.40% 3pt) but BG would certainely cost less than Mayo. They are both undersized, are both ball hoggers but BG is for sure less expensive : We could give Gibson and charlotte pick to get BG.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I could see BG and Mayo playing very well with Rose at starting SG.. their both very under utilized on their teams.. but in the short term BG is actually more expensive than mayo, more than twice as expensive

  • In reply to busterd85:

    how bout no?

    mayo isnt a chucker like ben gordon..
    we seen what ben gordon could do..

    gordon came off of screens to dribble around til the shot clock was down.. gordon is one of the worst point guard friendly shooters..you can never get a assist with him..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    common' men ! U have a short memory. do u remember the celtics-bulls 2009 serie ?? The bulls would been sweept if not BG.
    He is killer from the 3p-line, remember this season (2009) Rose and Gordon were one of the most dangerous backcourt in the nba, (actually even Stephen Curry- Monta ellis don't do better). Rose and Gordon would be the most unguardable backcourt in the nba, they will need double teams. Plus Boozer in the froncourt, I swear oppenents will have hard-time guarding bulls !!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ray Allen also had an incredible playoff series against Bulls in 2009 because he was being guarded by Ben Gordon. And to refresh you memory - Bulls LOST that series, it was 1st round and out.

    No team will go anywhere in the playoffs with Ben Gordon as its starting SG.

    But I have the solution for you to get Ben Gordon back on your team.
    Move to Detroit!

  • In reply to busterd85:

    But at the end of the day, we will have to re-sign Mayo if not we would have lost Gibson for nothing. And u and me know that Mayo gonna get paid the same as BG. If Bulls don'T give him what he ask, another teams will do. So let's bring back BG, with him we aren't losing James Johnson and Asik.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Ben gordon is not even close to being cheaper than mayo he is making 10 mil this year and it goes up next year

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Mayo is a couple of inches(at least) taller than Gordon, he is reputed to actually try to play defense, and is not likely to get more than 5 years and $58 million that Gordon got.

    Thats why not

  • In reply to bullswin60606:

    we could gie taj gibson and charlotte pick for ben gordon !! BG still a great shooter, as good as Mayo but cost less.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Gordon is making over $11 million per, doubt that Mayo gets that much.

  • Even KK?

  • I understand your position ... however I would rather have someone averaging 13 to 15 a night ( with approx. 3 assist a night) anytime considering the current status of our SG position.

  • The Bulls need a shooting guard that can defend and score, but would hate to see Taj Gibson in a deal for Stephen Jackson.

    If I were GarPax, the most I'd give up for Jackson would be Brewer, Asik, Johnson, Bogans, and our 2011 first round pick. That should be a good enough package to net the Bulls: Jackson, Brown, and McGuire. But Taj Gibson in the package should be a non-starter.

  • In reply to JimmyBulls:

    Bingo ... you're right. A SG that can defend and score is what we definitely need. That'd why O.J. Mayo makes perfect sense to me because those are his two strengths. Also as far as team chemistry is concerned him and D Rose worked out together this summer in the same gym so that shouldn't be a problem. Jackson is just too old if you ask me ... and giving up Asik is not a good move ( you always need a big men in this league especially in the playoffs ... just ask Boston)

  • In reply to JimmyBulls:

    i agree. Jackson is too old. I would only give Taj if we get back a starter-caliber at 2. Mayo is good but they want Asik. we can't give all of our back*up big men for Mayh=o. That's why we must go after Ben gordon. At least for him, we could keep Asik

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Deewaves, I know how you can get Ben Gordon back.
    Move to Detroit!

  • In reply to Edward:

    Excellent.

  • I am not a drug user but I do not see anything wrong with it as long as its just Marijuana.
    As long as it doesn't affect or interfere with their play and are not public with it so the kids don't see it....

    It seems like you are more of an insider than Sam Smith lol..

    Hey Doug BTW did you see my post over on FB?

  • What about this? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g4o87q
    A little play on the one earlier. Maybe send on first round pick to Washington and another to Memphis to get it done. Cash also works well

  • I don't like to use the word settle either but it is what it is. So if the Bulls don't try and make a trade, how will they improve this team? If they don't try and do something then they are settling to become the 4th or 5th seed in the east for some years to come and be a first to second round exit in the playoffs for some years to come.

  • I didn't know the bit about Parrish. That's great stuff. Weird to think that he could've been a bull. Would Larry Legend have gotten all those championships if the Bulls got Parrish? Interesting, to say the least.

  • Yeah cause the Bulls have been building and rebuilding this team for the past 13 years now and the time for grooming potential players are over with. The Bulls need to get into the mode of what these other elite teams are doing. I guess that's why some of Bulls fans keep complaining cause draft picks mean nothing these days when it comes to a team on the brink of being an elite team. If anything those picks need to be used to bring in good players from other teams that are losing and are looking to rebuild cause the college talent now days are very slim and young with those guys looking to cone out of college after one year and they might be going back to drafting kids straight out of high school again. So the Bulls only valued asset is the Bobcats pick which just might turn out to be a very high pick. In the end the Bulls need to upgrade the team the vest they cab with the few assets that they have.

  • Mayo could very easily end up being a better/younger version of what Ron Harper was on the second 3 peat teams.

    As much as I like what Taj gives us, not/can't give up Asik at this point

    Taj for Mayo is a tough call, especially when you start to think about going up against the big front lines of the Celtics and Lakers.

    Plus, if he is really looking for Ben Gordon money, I doubt that we can afford that.

  • As usual, you have hit the conundrum right on the head.

  • Given the changes they just made, I am not sure that I would categorize Orlando as a team on the way down.

    Never-the-less we are very close to being completly hamstrung on getting better with the new CBA coming and Rose's upcoming max deal.

    Whatever move we make has to be for a guy that we think is going to be hear for at least 5 years, and that we are willing to have a payroll to keep him.

    the first of those criterium elimanate JackAss, and the second likely elimanates Mayo.

    Personally, I've wanted Mayo since his rookie season(would have traded Gordon for him in a heart beat).

    What about going after DeMar DeRozan?

  • Is Taj a dope head too.

  • are the players that open about it that everybody knows who does and who doesn't

  • I just see it as other teams are making some bold moves with established all stars being involved and the Bulls are stuck with their few assets and not wanting to go over the cap, so yeah I see them being 4th or 5th in the east if something is not done to improve their weaknesses. In the playoffs, a team has to be able to score from the perimeter and the Bulls don't have much of that at the moment. All I can say Is no all star guard in the history of the NBA has been able to contend for a championship without the right players around him. When are the Bulls gonna get the right players around Rose Boozer and Noah, and I'm talking about the right perimeter players cause that whats hurting the Bulls as of now.

  • Reality can be harsh and unsatisfying.

  • We don't need any assits from him, we need shooting, scoring and defense on guys like Wade, Kobe, Ray Allen, Jason Richardson... etc.

    What do you think about using Watson as the second peice of this deal. We end up with no true point backup, but a 3 guard rotation of Rose, Mayo and Brewer with some Korver at times.

  • The Bulls are undersized on the front line in general, Asik is our only big, big, sooner or later, playoffs we are going to need his size.

    Anyone notice how Phil Jackson always stockpiles extra size upfront as do most teams vying for a championship.

    Charlotte is looking to move Jackson as a cost cutting move, if we get him it should only be as a pure salary dump, not giving up future talent.

    I, don't want JackAss in any scenario, but certainly not throwing is Asik.

  • Exactly, the Bulls need to try to stay away from giving up too for a player that will only be around for 1or 2 years but they definitely need touring in a player that can help before Boozer starts to decline in order to keep pace with the other elite and good teams in the east that are making sine big trades to improve their teams.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    EXCUSE TYPING, ON MOBILE PHONE.

  • Doug,

    I agree with your first paragraph.

    It has to be a calculated move that either brings the Bulls a championship or gets them real close.

  • with the "if" you could build a house. don't think like that. Aldride over thomas was a bad choice. Its stops there. If one day we won a championship, you will say that giving up hinrich for nothing or not trading for garnett or gasol were right ?!

  • thank you.. its not that he doesnt like us. he just have his eyes on new york..

  • Hey Guys, we could trade Deng+Taj gibson for Gerrald Wallace and Steph Jackson !! Deng sucks, he is too irregular, he is not helping boozer and rose enough.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    this line-up would be awesome :
    ROSE-JACKSON-WALLACE-BOOZER-NOAH. !! with that Knicks and Magic are nothing in front of bulls !

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Deng is better than Gerald Wallace. At the beginning of this year I would have done it but Deng, although everyone likes to hate on him, has been better slashing to the hoop and shooting the three. People will hate me for this, but Deng is the key to the Bulls offense. He's the only dependable guy we can iso on the perimeter besides Rose.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    lol. "Deng is the key to the Bulls offense"
    Are u kidding me ?? are serious ??

    check out this pages :
    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/luol_deng/career_stats.html
    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/gerald_wallace/career_stats.html

    Wallace is a great rebounder( can deng average 10 rpg in a season ??), a better defender (great stealer) and better offensive player ( He can shoot as deng, but he can moreover create his own shoot, handle the ball and drive better).

    Most of deng's drive to the hoop end up to a travelling-call or offensive fouls . So think twice before louding him. He is too irregular and always desappears in 4th quarter.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Man you made a great point until I looked at the stats you provided. Deng has better career numbers in rebounding and scoring. Deng cannot average 10 rebounds a game this season, mostly because his role isn't to rebound, despite being a strong rebounder on the offensive glass. Why? Because the bulls are the #2 team in the league in rebounding. We don't need a SF that can rebound. That isn't the weakness of this team. Honestly, Wallace is a wash with Deng when it comes to driving and ballhandling. We need perimeter shooting more than we need a defensive rebounder. It's not that Wallace sucks, because he doesn't. It's that Deng plays great defense, too. If you have ever watched basketball, you know that the stat sheet doesn't tell the whole story. In this case, just because Wallace averages more steals doesn't mean he is a better defender. It's actually the opposite. Deng is a very good defender, one of the two or three best with Noah and Brewer. He routinely does a great job on other players and was one of the key pieces on the '05 team that led the league in DEF FG %. Your stats tell the whole story.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    If anything Wallace is a little better defensively and as a rebounder. How does that make the Bulls better?

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    He is much tougher, much more physical, and that is something that we lack and you need more of in the playoffs.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Especially when we need perimeter shooting.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I know that our need is a perimeter SG. that's why i talked about steph Jackson. And with that we could benefit to add more offense and defense at SF given bobcats also want to trade wallace. I know stats don't mean all, I i've watched some of wallace's games and frankly he is a better defensive player and has an explosiveness on the offensive end.

    4

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I know that our need is a perimeter SG. that's why i talked about steph Jackson. And with that we could benefit to add more offense and defense at SF given bobcats also want to trade wallace. I know stats don't mean all, I i've watched some of wallace's games and frankly he is a better defensive player and has an explosiveness on the offensive end.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Deng and Gerald both are loaded with potential but I've always loved Wallace back to his Kings days...man was that Kings team loaded and should have beater the Lakers!!!
    Yeah adding Jackson and Wallace to our starting 5 would be awesome!

  • exactly, is he dreaming ?? MAYO 6 assists ?? Wake up man !!

  • It may be news to you, but .418 career shooting isn't bad for a guy that creates his own shot. *cough* Iverson *cough*

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Iverson shot .425 for his career, and had three years over 44%. Plus you're talking 10-11 FTA's for over a decade.

    Put another way, "I watched Allen Iverson, I went to "practice" with Allen Iverson, and (Senator) Jackson, you're no Allen Iverson.

  • Deng doesn't suck..

  • nah im not saying vinny is close or even around the same caliber of thibs.. its the stupid and i mean really stupid mistakes that vinny use to do..and thibs might get credit for structure..but alot comes with the players he has.. viny had gordon,tyrus,hughes & etc..

  • Good point, but you know what i mean. Deng worths a lot because of his defense and his number(17 ppg) but on the court, u can't count in him every times. he too irregular and always desappears in 4th quarter.

    If we add Deng a charlotte trade. we could get Jackson and Wallace for Deng and Gibson. Don't u notice bulls will improve :
    Rose-Jackson-Wallace-Boozer-Noah. !!! It's awesome.

  • In reply to deewaves:

    I'd do the Deng and Taj for Jackson and Wallace trade! We would be a much better team after that trade, but obviously lose front court presence with Taj gone but I think we could make up for it with our starting core!

  • In reply to deewaves:

    Wow this just makes me wonder how wrong our thoughts are sometimes!

    http://bbs.clutchfans.com/showthread.php?t=197718&page=3&pp=20

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Wow, those people on that board are straight up mentally retarded. Makes me happy that the average person on this blog really is well informed. Taj Gibson + James Johnson for Courtney Lee? Giving up Taj Gibson for Courtney Lee would be terrible. These people need to put down the pipe.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Did you see the guy that said he wouldn't trade lee for rose he's the happy of their forums lol

  • Mayo hasn't reached his full potential. I remember watching this guy coming out of high school and he has the tools to be a really, really good NBA player. I am talking 20+ per game.

    Sending him to a big city like Chicago could provide the kick in the butt this kid needs to reach his full potential. Remember, he was the one who went to USC so he could be in LA and with the stars.

    Just a thought...

  • we should have never let go of scott skiles he did a good job with the bulls and is doing a good job with the bucks now

  • why does everyone want mayo so bad jr smith is just as good if not better on offense and could become a good defender plus he only has 1 year left on his deal so if he doesnt work we dont have to resign him. he would cost less than what memphis wants for mayo and we could still keep that lotery pick from the bobcats

    high reward low risk deal jj and cj for jr smith

  • i dont no what denver wants for him but im shure its less than what memphis wants for mayo

  • still upset that we took del negro over avery johnson

  • If dumb luck were enough Bulls would win a championship just cause they lucked into Rose. To create a true contender the front office must execute several excellent moves in a short time - they haven't done that, yet.

    Krause made many excellent moves to surround Jordan with talent. GarPax added Noah and Boozer but no wings, yet.

  • reality is Taj is not in the Bulls future - will be gone after next season - he will get a huge offer from someone and no way will the bulls be able to match - so youve got this season/upcoming off season to try to deal him at max value

    as far as OJ Mayo is concerned - think Larry Hughes, can do a lot a different things, but never really masters any of them - as a result plays unfocused or forces too much and becomes public enemy #1 for bulls fans

    Captain Jack is a late season add-on if your realistically think this is your year for the title, otherwise as others have said-too old, too expensive to keep for more than 1 year run

    Bottom line - there's no external 2guard solution at this point (weve seen OJ Mayo already and this team isnt on the verge of a title this year) - the 2 guard answer for this season is bench bogans (hell even cut him), start brewer and give Korver more run as the back up 2, if that doesnt work go small 3 guard rotation of Rose/Brewer/Watson.

    Once Noah is confirmed healthy and back (be it trade deadline or off season)- trade Taj and stockpile assests when a legitimate building block type 2 guard is available

  • In reply to cjb23:

    I remember a policy Jerry Krause had. He never believe in giving up a big man for a small one. Because of this policy the Bull's were very successful, Taj is a big man and a good one, they are too hard to come by. Management must use other ways to get Mayo

  • In reply to penwit1:

    Look at all the Elite teams, they are getting all the bigs they can find--and you all want to get rid of Taj. Come on guys, that's not the way to keep up with the competition. We must find other ways to get a shooting guard like a Mayo. There must be another way!

  • In reply to penwit1:

    The sleuth seconds this line of thinking.

  • oh and if your gonna even think JR Smith - remeber we already had him and told him to leave before he even into the state

  • Doug, don't believe everything you read. Chicago was one of the first places Anthony wanted to go to. We have no proof that he has indicated otherwise--we have only reports from New York Newspapers.

  • I've been trying to trade Deng for Wallace for years, but for the reasons you have stated MJ isnt making that deal.

  • It is not even close, but as long as Bogans Continues to start he is still Del Thibideau to me.

  • Doubt it, the Bulls couldn't get rid of him fast enough in the Chandler trade.

    They are not messing with the team chemistry by adding a problem child, like Smith or JackAss for that matter.

  • Thank you MW for pointing out that our success with Boozer exists within a 3-4 year window. We need to make moves that set us up to flip the script on the league in a few years, moves that will allow us to reload(not rebuild) around Rose and Noah who will be in their primes.

  • I'm with you guys on the idea that aren't at the stage where we need to hold onto draft picks. However holding onto draft picks in order to make a future trade is different than holding on to draft picks in order to actually make the pick. The window boozer provides definitely should have us geared towards winning now, but we have to be conscious of the fact that our superstar and best player is Derrick Rose. We have to be aware of how our decisions set us up as Rose moves into his prime which will carry on well past Boozer's decline.

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