Kurt Thomas, Brian Scalabrine, or James Johnson?

Tom Thibodeau uttered a phrase that scares the hell out of me.

"We were searching," Thibodeau said. "I was confident in Kurt's low post
defense. We wanted to give Griffin a different look. He was having his
way with us. We were so flat. We were looking for any kind of spark. I
thought Kirk did a good job for us."

Please be coach speak, please, please, please be coach speak.   Let me just hope that Tom Thibodeau does not want to hurt Thomas's feelings in public.   We wanted to give the Clippers a different look? 

Kurt Thomas just fouled Blake Griffin 6 times in fifteen minutes, and for whatever reason, the Clippers decided to not feed him the ball in the post and had him stand around the perimeter a lot.  

There was no defense. 

That does bring up the question of who slides into the rotation now, especially if Gibson is out for any length of time, and while we desperately need him, dude shut it down for awhile if you have a concussion, that's serious life long stuff you are dealing with there.

So the choices of guys who can play more with a presumption that Omer Asik is basically an automatic to play more.  

Kurt Thomas

He gives us veteran-ness.   No really, I'm not sure what Thomas brings to the table.  Once upon a time he had a nice 17 foot jumper, was tough as nails (well I'm sure he's still tough as nails), a physical rebounder, and a very good player.   During his prime, I'd have been happy with Kurt Thomas playing some minutes for my team.

However, Kurt Thomas has been abysmal so far.   He's only played 29 minutes in the regular season, but this extends to preseason as well.  He lost the last step a player needs to play successfully in the league.   He's not quick enough to defend, he's not quick enough to get his shot off anymore, he can no longer leap for rebounds, and his interior defense now consists of just fouling anyone who touches the ball near him (9 fouls in 29 minutes played).

I liked the signing of Thomas, he did a solid job for Milwaukee last year, and I thought he could hang on for one more season and give us the same.   However, in watching him that simply does not look like the case.   The wheels finally fell off the bus.

Brian Scalabrine

Scalabrine doesn't have Thomas's strength and isn't someone who can play center at all, even if just told to foul guys everytime they touch the ball which is the equivalent of what Kurt Thomas is doing.

However, he does give the team passing and some shooting, but it's kind of like playing Keith Bogans without the defense at PF.  He only shoots the most wide open of shots, isn't shooting off screens or pressuring the defense and still is just a 35% career three point shooter.  

His volume is so low on his shots, and he needs to be so open to take them that he effectively does not space the floor or provide anything meaningful on offense.   He tries hard on defense, but is physically way too overmatched to get anything done.

James Johnson

Johnson's the most likely of the three players to do something really amazing and useful for your team, which is the reason why I would have loved to seen him play when the Bulls needed a spark (Kurt Thomas/Brian Scalabrine aren't going to give you a spark, they're guys you hope don't get destroyed while you hope someone else gives you one).  

He's also the most likely to try and play way above his head, take a guy through a five second cross over dribble tutorial and then turn the ball over.   However, he can actually defend (real defense, the kind where he blocks shots, steals the ball, forces tough looks, and rotates to help), and he can get out on the break, pressure the opposing team on the offensive glass, shoot at least as well as Kurt Thomas, and take a player off the dribble occasionally.

All Johnson needs is a three dribble rule.   Unless you're on a fast break and about to dunk, if whatever you're planning takes more than three dribbles forget about it and pass the ball.

Final thoughts

I understand why you go with Thomas or Scalabrine.   The idea is to hold the fort and let Derrick Rose/Carlos Boozer do all the magic.   That a guy who sits in there and simply doesn't make mistakes even if he provides nothing positive for you will help more than a guy who makes mistakes but does provide positives.

However, in this case, from what we've seen of Thomas/Scalabrine they aren't guys who play while delivering few negatives.   Scalabrine puts incredible pressure on your interior defenders and rebounders.    Neither guy can rebound, neither guy can defend their position, and neither guy has any real offense either.

Johnson gives you something tangible out there, go with him, sit him down, tell him not to take more than three dribbles, and otherwise to pressure the hell out of the opposing team.    It might not give you great play, but it will give you better than the alternatives.

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  • I think the general consensus is that Thibs is a good coach. That he knows what he is doing. So, I guess James Johnson has been total crap in practice. Also, I have to think that Ronnie Brewer hasn't shown Thibs that he should be the starter. Thibs has been consistent giving minutes to guys that in my book should not be playing in the NBA. That is his thing. Let him be.

    Then, in order to take Bogans out of the rotation or Scal or Thomas, GarPax need to trade them away or let them go. I don't think this will happen any time soon. So let's wait for February deadline and cross our fingers...

  • In reply to supercesto:

    Agree. We all are seeing James Johnson sit on the bench game after game. We have also seen James Johnson get playing time at the start of the season. People, if JJ has lost playing time, it's not because Thibs is too distracted and has forgotten he has an end to his bench. It's because JJ has effectively played himself out of the rotation. I hate to say it, but I kind of like Scalabrine in limited minutes. He can hit on long jumpers and play serviceable defense at times. He'd be my pick out of the three guys.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    i disagree soooo much. The fact that Bogans still starts makes me question the way Thibs makes his rotation decisions. I think he makes his decisions more based on how much he likes the player compared to what they provide. I have seen absolutely nothing from Bogans to justify his starting spot. Whether its for 10 minutes or not he has done nothing to earn it. He is slow on defense, he has no offensive abilities at all. Shooting 28% from the 3pt line, yet everytime someone questions his decision to start him he brushes it off and says its not Bogans fault. Sure JJ is erratic when hes on the court but he does give the team energy and hes a better outside shooter than Bogans. Scal is not the answer.

  • In reply to almighty1080:

    The notion that Tom Thibadeau makes the decisions that define his career according to who he "likes" seems a little far-fetched.

    I think he likes Bogans because he feels that Bogans wont cost you anything. He feels Bogans is his best shot at having net zero affect on the game at SG. Bogans doesn't score, but he also doesn't turn the ball over too much, he can hit the three every once in a while, etc. I happen to disagree with his philosophy. I'd rather have a guy out there that can produce in some tangible way, even if you're giving up something on defense. But I'm confident he isn't playing favorites on a personal level.

    Another reason for Bogans continued starts might be Thibs deferring his best SGs to the bench in an effort to solidify the reserve unit so we can at least hold leads when the starters sit.

    If I had to guess I'd say its a little of both. As I said I disagree, but I'm not going to question his motives for starting Bogans, he is doing what he believes is best for the team. Lets just hope he has an epiphany and starts to believe our best shot is with Korver or Brewer at SG. Please Thibs, please.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    can we start brewer as well? this is a perfect opportunity to transition to starting brewer. bogan's is giving us nothing, let's use taj being out as a reason to put bogans to the bench and let brewer start to "add more offense" wink wink nudge nudge.

    if we're getting nothing from 2 and 4 spots, we're pretty much a cooked goose.

  • In reply to supercesto:

    Coaches have a preference for a certain style of player: try getting playing time for Larry Brown if you don't try on defense, or D'Antoni if you can't shoot threes.

    Thibs preference seems to be for guys who will do exactly what he asks of them, even if they can't do it well.

  • In reply to supercesto:

    Numbnuts ought to start Brewer and play JJ regular minutes now that two starters are down.

  • "I thought Kirk did a good job for us." - please tell me that this is not a typo and Thibs is calling him Kirk Thomas, like when VDN kept calling Hinrich, Kurt Hinrich. anyways, go JJ for D and BS for 3pt shot. and Kurt to help our bigs learn how to rebound. no more playing time for Kurt please, why didnt Thibs go back to Asik?

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    That just confirms my Del Thibideau theory(Starting Bogans, playing Thomas and Scalabrine)

  • Ya I am for JJ filling in also I think he is our best option at this point.

    I also think Asik should be starting that's usually what you do when your starting center is out, start your backup.

    Taj is a good defender but when you put him at the 5 it takes away from is effectiveness on D.

    I still cant believe that the rockets offered Miller such a huge contract we would have such a great big rotation if we still had him along with Asik, Booz, Jo and Taj!

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    yeah i really wish "The Duck" was still here. Def my favorite players to hear the media talk to. and well the camo ankle tape is great too.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    I told you guys last season, that we would miss him this year.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I thought Gar/Pax wanted to bring him back but Houston offered him that massive deal

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Only 9.5 more weeks till Noah's back......

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Amen, baby

  • In reply to BigWay:

    1 down, 29 to go

  • Yeah it sounds like realization is starting to come around with some of the bloggers on here that something needs to be done about some of the useless players on this team. I mean how much longer is thus team is going to suffer with Bogans starting at the shooting guard position and that a few of the bench players give this team absolutely nothing. And now with Gibson maybe being out a couple of games, Asik is really the only other big the Bulls have behind Boozer, and Asik is 6 fouls in 10 minutes waiting to happen. I hope the Bulls management hasn't become confused on what to do next cause at this point that seems to be the case since they haven't stepped in and asked Thibs to get Bogans out of the starting lineup and as to why Lucas Thomas and Scalabrine is stick on this team. I mean if I were in managements position I would be a little frustrated looking at other teams making improvements to there teams while the Bulls are somewhat stuck in the mud... or are they? Some type of plan needs to be put together by the trade deadline to make some adjustments to the Bulls roster cause they are somewhat falling apart and I really do hope that they have something in mind about the shooting guard position because it is starting to get beyond ridiculous with Bogans at the starting 2 spot.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'd be fine with Bogans starting at the 2 if he was only in there like 4 minutes a half. but Thibs usually leaves the starters in the whole 1st quarter. If he's in there for defense then why not start Brewer, he's a better defender and offinsive player.

    the only reasoning i can understand with Bogans starting is that Bogans is a better defender than Korver and a better shooter than Brewer. tho, saying Bogans is a shooter at all is crazy.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    Unfortunately, Bogans was leaving at about he 5-6 minute mark, but the last few games he has stayed in until the 10 minute mark.

    Since we are not getting down by double digits in the first few minute of the game, I guess that Del Thibideau Thinks that Bogans has earned more minutes with his stellar effort.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I worry that Thibs is being blinded by just that, the success of the starting lineup. Overall our starting lineup has played pretty well, perhaps he can't see that just because they play well, it doesn't mean another lineup would be better.

  • Korver needs that 3 dribble rule too.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    eh...he doesn't make mistakes like that...

  • Aren't Kurt and Scal expiring next season?

    So do you think that takes us out of the running for Stephen Jackson? I think he would honestly put us over the to

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Getting S. Jackson would be a big plus at this point even though the Bulls don't have much to deal at the moment, Maybe MJ will be willing to help the Bulls out. It's been done before with former players now GM'S...Mchale, Ainge, and Jerry West. MJ is an owner so he pretty much has control over the moves that are made with the Bobcats.

  • Aren't Kurt and Scal expiring next season?

    So do you think that takes us out of the running for Stephen Jackson? I think he would honestly put us over the to

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    the top. He is the bobcats leading scorer and he would be our 3rd option on offense. But I don't think that the Bobcats are looking to help us out.

    And he only makes 8mil a year... I'm not gonna be like happy and start saying that

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    FACT

    we need a BIG and the NETS have a bunch. TROY Murphy, is not favored in New JERSEY by avery johnson, lets trade Dickey and Kurt for him.

    why hasnt anyone thought of this yet!!!?!

    (ps i didnt capitalize avery johnson because hes got that super soft anoying voice, it felt right)

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    That dudes way overpaid the salary's wouldn't work in that trade

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Is anyone else worried about how injury prone Jo is??

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    It is a concern. Jo is undersized as a center at around 230 pounds. I think Jo is very lucky he signed an extension under the current CBA. Missing 18 games last year, 30 games this year, under the new CBA he would not get $60 million from another team, I think.

  • In reply to Edward:

    As much as I love Noah, it does appear that as usual the Bulls overpaid to keep their own guy.

    Even though I am a huge Noah guy, I might have been inclined to wait for the new CBA.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    i mean it's different things. thumb is a freak thing. if it was plantaar fascia again i might be a bit worried but i'm not really that worried.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Charlotte would LOVE to have its 1st round pick back from the Bulls. But how do Bulls salary match that $8mil salary in a trade?

  • In reply to Edward:

    I'm not trying to go happy on ya but I was just messing around with the trade machine

    And the trade for Bogans, Brewer and Thomas worked.

    If you don't wanna lose brewers defense him and Korver make about the same.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I don't think dumping Jackson for nothing is the deal the Bobcats have in mind anyway. The rumors of them going after Melo suggests they're in some bizarre win now mode rather than trying to rebuild.

  • Exactly Doug,
    Bulls are in a position of limited flexibility to change the roster. Only $2mil cap space, no expiring contracts, GarPax want to hold that Charlotte pick not trade it, and they also don't want to trade Taj Gibson.

    Lets fact the facts Bulls fans - in spite of our hopes and dreams this roster is not a championship contender. Thibs is playing his starters too many minutes like he's trying to win the East this year. Any starry-eyed hope towards that currently unattainable goal completely evaporated with Noah's surgery.

    What really needs to be done is develop some additional young talent for the future. That means playing JJ, picking up and playing Weaver (or someone similar), playing Asik more; and benching Bogans, cutting Lucas, both of whom have no NBA future.

    If not JJ and Weaver, then some other young players with some upside potential. You have to let young talent play through some of their mistakes to develop them and yes that may cost Bulls a few wins. But this team is not contending this year - especially for the next 30 games. And playing Deng and Rose 40+ minutes will only hurt them.

    Bulls must develop some additional assets for NEXT YEAR. Because even with everyone healthy this roster has obvious holes and can't contend in the playoffs. At a minimum, Bulls still need a starting SG, another 7-footer, and backup help at SF and PG.

  • In reply to Edward:

    This Bulls team wont contend for the next 30 games? That's an absurd statement, have you looked at our schedule? You must have forgotten that a front court of Boozer Taj and Asik is STILL better than 20 of the next 30 teams we play. The schedule is pathetic. You can take the Bulls winning well over half of their next 30 to the bank.

  • In reply to Edward:

    *Or a 2 for 1 trade would be nice.*

  • In reply to Edward:

    How do you BOLD on here?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Jesus Christ, please do not tell him.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I second that....

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You have to hit alt-F4 when typing.. ;)

  • In reply to phud101:

    AHHHHHH!!! The Pandora Box of BOLD has been opened in HappyLand. God help us.

  • In reply to phud101:

    What about giving Phili the Bobcats pick and Lu for Ai if he becomes available hes bad A

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    Not sure if he's available anymore, last I heard their recent record getting them back into playoff contention means Iggy and Brand are off the table.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Bold

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    oh no...is this the end of the ALL CAPS era and the beginning of the bold era???

    or will he just now combine the two.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Italics

  • In reply to Edward:

    Underline

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Fail.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You must have read my mind Doug. I too posted on a bulls message board I go to that JJ would make sense in the absence of Noah. He can pass, score a little, and play some D. Yet, I agree with what you said he can turn the ball over a hell of a lot of times.

  • I think you might want to wait for a game or three before you rush to any judgments on Kurt Thomas. The guy played his first meaningful stretch of minutes in six months and you are going to base anything on that? And for the record, he was relatively effective on Griffin. Did you notice how Griffin was whining to the refs the entire second half when Thomas was guarding him? Thomas got in his head immediately. And as far as being a step slow, everybody was a step slow against Griffin.

    And I couldn't tell, but you weren't really suggesting Thibs play JJ on Griffin, were you? JJ lost 30 lbs in the offseason so he could play the perimeter. There is absolutely no way he could have done anything against Griffin. Maybe there is an implied "go small and put Deng on Griffin" in there, but I don't see that having much spark either.

    Griffin is a freak of nature right now, Asik and Thomas were the only two that had any success against him. And a guy like Scalabrine came in and got maybe the biggest turnover of the night. If guys come in and understand their roles and execute, they can be very effective. Try not to rush to judgement based on a matchup against a freakish player skewed by sketchy officiating.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    amen

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I don't understand why people think that Weaver would be any good or get any playing time on this roster. If we were to bring Weaver up, he would occupy the role John Lucas currently has. Not a savior.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    The point is to give Bogans 15 minutes to Weaver through January 10th and then make a decision whether to guarantee his contract or not. If Weaver pans out its an asset created out of nothing. Because Bulls don't have much to trade.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Bogans, is no good and gets playing time on this roster.
    No, Weaver is not a savior by any means. But could he save us from Bogans? That is worth a shot IMO. A 3-week tryout is all, until the Jan 10th contract guarantee date. No cost or obligation. If Weaver doesn't work out then there's the February 23rd trading deadline.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    REALITY CHECK BULLS FANS

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    I now can INCORPORATE RANDOM CAPS LONG, with [STRONG]VARIOUS HTML OPTIONS[/STRONG]. This will make my POINT. You are all CLUELESS FOLLOWERS!

  • In reply to jpbaker81:

    FAIL

  • In reply to jpbaker81:

    Don't forget to add [SUBSTANCE] [/SUBSTANCE] to your argument. lol. Best post ive read all day Jon.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Forget Weaver! Split the back up PG, starting SG, and back up SF time between Korver, Brewer, and CJ Watson. Those three can easily handle the 66 minutes that entails between them. Pepper in some ghastly Bogans play when we're raping teams.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    Ok, Sam Smith has me convinced. We need to push for OJ Mayo. The kids got a great attitude, which goes a long way in our organization's eyes; and he is a talent being wasted on the bench. He would blossom in an uptempo game, him and Rose could run like hell... it would be a beautiful thing. I don't care if you have to give up Taj+2 first rounders. Unfortunately Noah's situation makes that near impossible at this immediate point. We need to set up a trade for Mayo and pull the trigger right at the deadline, that way the time with no Taj + no Noah will be minimized. Mayo would be perfect alongside Rose, even though he is slightly undersized. We'd have the fastest lineup in the league.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    OJ Mayo is no NICK YOUNG, but it is worth a shot

  • In reply to jpbaker81:

    Yes. Yes. Yes.

    It's funny that I determine who the smart Bulls fans are by who rips on Happy the most/best.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I want the glory days of the off-season back when we thought Thomas may have enough left to keep Asik out of the rotation.

    Speaking of Asik, I don't think it's inevitable he gets more playing time given Thomas took his minutes in the second half. I mean we assumed Bogans would make way for Brewer but that hasn't happened either. The Bulls experience with defensive coaches is that they love their low mistake low impact vets. Skiles did it and now Thibs is doing it.

    Skiles would never have this problem BTW, he'd just start four guards so Deng would be free to play center.

    Anyway the obvious choice is if we have to play one of the three listed it has to be JJ. The way Tyrus is finally putting it together in Charlotte this year suggests that maybe you can turn boneheads into good rotation players with the right coaching.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    That'd be an Orlando like move giving up depth in the bigs rotation for a scorer

    I would love to get Mayo but I dunno about giving up Taj ..

    But to make the salaries work you would have to give up either Watson, Brewer or Korver

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I do care, Taj is better than Mayo, throwing in two first rounders is insult to injury.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    Thomas needs to join JJ in the biggest loser club, he looks to be at least 30 lbs overweight.

    I would have liked to see JJ give a shot against Griffin, since he has the most athleticism of any of our forwards.

    I also thought that Asiks length gave him some problems, he legitimately blocked at least one of his shots, but Korver fouled Griffin from behind.

    In any event, I would give JJ some regular minutes(despite his tendency to go Tyrus Thomas on us) during Noahs absense, but that is not the Del Thibideau way.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Ha, I specifically remember the play where Korver fouled Griffin.. Asik definitely had the block.

  • Good comments by bullshooter...I would also say we give some time to Kurt Thomas before we declare him dead as a NBA player.
    I was hoping there was some kind of team defense so that Griffin is denied the ball in the paint area as much as possible like Boston did to Dwight Howard last year.
    Thibs should develop JJ and Asik. There are our best bets for next year whether it is in a trade or as a contributing piece. The next two months is the best time to do this and a litmus test for Thibs's long term success as a head coach.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Agree, use the time to develop guys who might be long term contributors rather than hope to survive by clinging to supposed safe veterans.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I love the Mr. Crappy hate.

    I do not love the fact that all signs point to our offense continuing to dig even bigger holes to begin games. I was sick of us starting the game playing 4 on 5....now it's 3 on 5? Jesus Christ....memories of starting Duhon and Wallace dancing in my head....bah humbug.

  • REALITY CHECK:

    James Johnson is NOT a Power Forward. He's a Small Forward.

    Trying to make this kid into something he's not, is simply naive, at this point.

    THE BETTER PLAN:

    * Send JJ and J. Lucas down to the D-League and call up K. Weaver and C. Sims.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Your reality check showed some grasp on reality. Then your better plan saw you fall completely off the edge of the earth.

  • :]

  • Underline

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    MrHappy is copying me. haha. But underline is not recognized here.

  • AI is also a better ball handler and creator, which would help since none of our wings(or even our backup point guard) are really that great at it.

    That said the way Deng has shot the three I don't think it makes sense to do the trade.

  • Man it seems like everyone on this blog wants to just hand away #1 picks for next to nothing. Two #1's and Taj for OJ Mayo? No thanks. If you want to complete a Jordanesque move as a GM, maybe. I think of the picks, especially the one acquired via trade, as great pieces for the future. I don't want to mortgage the future for something useless. There just aren't enough good available pieces. There are no names out there that make you stop and think twice. Most of the scenarios being thrown around sound really forced. I think people are getting into a mode of, we must make a move. Thats when bad moves are made. I think Orlando just made a move just like it. Richardson is a good piece, but they took away from their depth at forward, which was one of their greatest strengths, only to insert a depleted Hedo Turkoglu. Don't trade the picks to get Mayo, he will not put us over the top. Guaranteed.

  • In reply to KingOfCrumbs:

    It's probably only an all-star or near all-star wing who puts Bulls 'over the top'.

  • ai has missed like 6 games in his career. Deng is a better fit for us, but ai is the better player. Plus the bulls anouncers would say from Chicago, DERRICK ROSE! and, andre iguadola. If we do move deng, it should insure that Kyle korver becomes a starter. Iggy is just awful at shooting.

  • taj gibson hasn't been all that great after moving to the bench. part of that is watson is bad at creating for others. the other part of it, is thib's rotations are god awful.

    he throws cj, korver, taj, asik, and brewer out on the floor at the same time. Korver and taj just became the first and second options. With that sort of defensive pressure, taj hasn't been anything to write home about. If taj is playing next to a star like rose and a player like deng/noah he's definately a great role player that can knock down open looks/make smart cuts to the basket.

  • Late to the party. Couple of thoughts:

    1) Coming in I really thought the Clippers could be tough because I've been watching them on NBA leauge pass(mainly to see Blake Griffin). I don't have time to check the stats, but I don't know how many times I've watched their offense score at a high rate of efficiecny both in FTA's with Eric Gordon getting ten a game, and Blake(Griffin) going to town at the rim. Also, DeAndre Jordan has gone from looking like a possible bust to at times Dwight Howard Jr. with just moster dunks/physical domination around the hoop(albeit in short stretches). They have so many first round picks who have come in and shown some offensive skills/efficiency/high field goal percentage. They are winning again tonight, and blew out Detroit in humiliating fashion(which granted is not hard to do) the night before facing the Bulls.

    2) That opening play vs. L.A. where Taj dove for a loose ball in the paint, and then Boozer just watched Jordan go up and dunk/own the rim with no resistance whatsoever.. ? In(fu-king)excusable). I mean he didn't even try to body the guy up, contest the shot anything. He just passively stood behind him, and watched him calmly gather himself, prepare, elevate, and assault the rim. God that was sickening. Defensively I don't know how good you can really be with a guy letting you down like that. Someone (Thibs/D-Rose)has to chew his ass/review plays like that on film. Booz likes ot talk(though he's played the humble team guy with the Bulls), but he needs to walk the walk on D at least better then that, sh*t. And I didn't get to see the last part, but did Baron(old fart) Davis abuse Derrick toward the end of that game?

    3) Personally, I think teams view the Bulls as soft as they always have. Kirk, Ben and Lu put fear into no one. Now Derrick gets slammed regularly and screwed like a Joliet newbie by the refs, and basically does nothing. Oh congrats, he's finally gotten one tech, and mildy complains like a kid who says, "hey don't take my ball away man" while the bully ignores him, and walks away with his ball. Derrick has got to show it's his court/his game if he's going to be a premier player. He can't dominate games on the level of guys who know and do get to the line when they need to, and fight vociferously for their rights and in the end their team's respect by the refs. D, I love you, but you just are not getting it done from a alpha/respctability standpoint/leading your team. And because of that people resent not respect your scoring abilitties, and are going to continue to abuse you going to the hoop.

    4) Christmas shopping this time of year is a Biatttcccchhh!! (Ha, Ha). Seriously, Go Bulls. This loss to the Clips is not the end of the world. Refs were out to enhance Blake Griffin's entre as league face/stud. Taj was basically banished from the game as was Kurt Thomas. Let's give Kurt a chance. Long term Bulls bigs are a strength. It's the Watson(geez I thought this guy could shoot), Brewer(not a shooter), Bogans(please), and Korver(now you see him, now you don't) lame backcourt scoring/bench production. Not good. Later.

  • You're way off here Doug. Thomas was frustrating the hell out of Blake Griffin. Every time Griffin got the ball, he complained to the refs about getting fouled. Wake up kid, you're still a rookie. I felt Kirk put a body on him & really slowed him down, even pulling out a couple veteran moves, like the pulling the chair out, to draw the offensive foul. Teach that young little punk that rookie's aren't supposed to be flopping and yapping their jaw.

    Thomas put a body on him, & sagged off from the perimeter, and I thought it was a quality effort.

  • yeah i know he said that, must be why phili put him at the 4 so much when he played there

  • Hey Doug, would it be absurd to suggest that with the definite move of Melo to NY or recently more likely NJ with consideration to other recent moves of big time players that the Bulls make an effort to obtain Dwight Howard when his contract expires?

    I know, I know... why would you want two all star centers, etc etc. While not trying to compare them directly to Bynum and Gasol, the idea of such two bigs is intriguing. Gasol is a craftier scorer then Jo or Dwight, but the size and power should make up for the difference in pure offensive talent.

    On D they would be beastly with Dwight anchoring the middle and Jo taking strong side or playing the 4 spot on straight man.

    On O Jo could run the high pick and roll with Rose, spot up a pure shooter like Korver at 2 and play Boozer at the 3 posted weakside opposite Dwight. You lose floor spacing with no perimeter 3 spot but you gain 3 walls worth of screens to run off and the size would eat the boards alive.

    Now stars would have to a line with NY settling for adding CP3 after losing Melo to NJ, then NY, NJ, Miami, Dallas and all the other bigs ideally lacking cap space and ability to make a bid, the Magic continuing to decline and Howard being serious about his own best chances to win a championship.

    Maybe I'm just crazy but Dwight, Noah, Boozer, Korver(or better?) and Rose sounds like a defense first dream team. You say Boozer cant play d... true, but if he can cover the shooting 3s well enough on the perimeter and gets beat on a drive they still need to get by Jo and Dwight inside. Jo and Dwight are two of the most athletic bigs in the league on top of that.

    Im not saying this is the most ideal, but just a potential idea. I think ideal would be dwight noah melo korver rose but thats just hard drug fantasies.

  • I was gonna say just what ChiRy did, that is why I am not a Blake fan because he has no respect for vets. I think he knows but he doesn't care that you don't act like that when you are a rookie. The league builds up who they want to build up its BS like when Andre Miller showed Griffin how stuff is supposed to run in the league they suspend him.

  • I'll take the over, slightly, I think Kirk hits that mid-range tonight

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