Would you take Joe Johnson?

One of the things I rallied against in the off-season was the max contract to Boozer/Amare + max contract to Joe Johnson off-season.  It completely cripple your salary for years, and you'd probably not have a shot at winning a title.

Well Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah have stepped up a lot more than I anticipated, and looking at this team right now, without Boozer, they look like they're a SG short.   It's hard to imagine Atlanta admitting they screwed up with Johnson this early, especially when they can make the playoffs this year and probably the second round again, but if so, would you take back Joe Johnson and his monster six year deal?

Before you scream "hell yes", let me point out the realistic pitfalls of such a trade.   First, you're giving Korver, Brewer, and Watson to get Johnson (only way to match salaries as Atlanta's not taking back Deng if they're dumping salary), and then you're filling out that depth with minimum salary guys.  

That leaves the team with the folowing:
Derrick Rose
Joe Johnson
Luol Deng
Carlos Boozer
Joakim Noah

Bench:
Taj Gibson, Keith Bogans, James Johnson, Omer Asik, and some minimum salary guy who becomes the backup PG.

Also, the team now, can not add anyone to it that costs more then the minimum and will not be a player in trades for the next two seasons.  We won't be able to absorb more costs, this roster already will be absurdly expensive, and I doubt seriously that we'd consider the trade financially as it is, but if we do, we're certainly not adding even more onto the payroll.

So does that core get it done?   Bare in mind that you're going to lose Gibson after two more seasons, because we won't be able to afford him as a free agent, so your window before losing your first major asset is two seasons.

Prior to July, prior to seeing the new improved Derrick Rose, I would have said that doesn't get it done, and it not only fails to get it done, but locks us into not getting it done.

Now, I'm not so sure.  With Rose a clear top 10 player at this point, this group looks like a top two or three team in the NBA to me if Boozer and Johnson can remain relatively healthy.   If not, I have to say the odds of putting together a better team seem painfully small at the very least.  

The question really becomes how much does Joe Johnson have left in the tank.  He's on the books for five seasons at massive money after this season, and so far he's only putting up a PER of 15.4 which is fairly mediocre, especially for a high usage player.

On the other hand, Johnson on the Bulls provides much of what the team needs.  He's a secondary playmaker (and likely the backup PG in all reality), and he's a smooth shooter off the ball (even if you aren't maximizing his ability in that role).   He's a quality passer, and while he's not an eltie defender, he has good size at the position.

Pursuing Johnson is an "all in" move, because in two years, his contract will be immovable except for utter crap, much like Boozer's will likely be.  The Bulls will probably be in the tax with just paying the starting five in this scenario, and certainly won't have any real assets afterwards.

However, you have to go all in eventually, and I wonder if the Bulls are really likely to have a better chance later.   The Lakers might go away in a couple years, but the Heat won't.   The Heat will likely get even stronger in two seasons, and as much as people have enjoyed their four losses, the Heat have point differentials that mark them as perhaps the top team in the league even with two losses to the Celtics.

I doubt the Hawks are interested yet (though they probably should be), but throwing that out of the equation, are you willing to go all in on Johnson knowing you're giving up the entire bench and are limited to more or less no other additions for the next three seasons?

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  • Side note Taj is hurt F OUR LIVES

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    BACK-TO-BACK STATS:

    -Yes the Bulls lead the NBA in back-to-backs(B2Bs) played w/ 23

    -But, here's the good news, we play in 26 games with the opponent on a B2B, giving us a +3 advantage

    -Of our 23, 15 our only us on a B2B, 8 are both Bulls & opponent

    -Of our opponents 26 B2Bs, 18 are just them on a B2B, with the same 8 shared B2Bs

    -After the road trip ends, we'll have only 10 B2Bs left where we are the only one on B2B, while having still around 16-17 games with only our opponent on a B2B

    Get the full stats here: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2010/11/unnecessarily-comprehensive-and-overdue.html

    Also interesting, here's how the schedule is made: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19219/how-to-build-the-nba-schedule

    Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/11/bulls-beat-167---through-the-texas-triangle.html#ixzz163noyDkp

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    BACK-TO-BACK STATS:

    -Yes the Bulls lead the NBA in back-to-backs(B2Bs) played w/ 23

    -But, here's the good news, we play in 26 games with the opponent on a B2B, giving us a +3 advantage

    -Of our 23, 15 our only us on a B2B, 8 are both Bulls & opponent

    -Of our opponents 26 B2Bs, 18 are just them on a B2B, with the same 8 shared B2Bs

    -After the road trip ends, we'll have only 10 B2Bs left where we are the only one on B2B, while having still around 16-17 games with only our opponent on a B2B

    Get the full stats here: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2010/11/unnecessarily-comprehensive-and-overdue.html

    Also interesting, here's how the schedule is made: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19219/how-to-build-the-nba-schedule

  • I think it'd turn us into a poor mans miami

  • Looking back through his splits Joe Johnson usually starts the year slow in terms of shooting, so I wouldn't read much into his stats so far this year.

    I think I'd say no to this for a few reasons:
    a) Joe Johnson has been terrible in the playoffs all through his career.
    b) Boozer, Deng and Noah have some sort of injury history that makes you pretty nervous about going with a thin team ... I don't think JJ presents a big enough upgrade to risk that.
    c) The way Gibson has been playing can you even be sure that JJ is a better player than he is over the next 3 years of Gibson's contract? Can we actually do better for Gibson than an awful contract?

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Ugh scratch reason three, for some reason I thought Gibson was thrown in to the proposed deal. Make reason three "I don't think Atlanta would do it without demanding Gibson" then. ;)

  • Well yeah, I don't think they'll do it at all either, but I can't conceive of them doing it where the best player they're getting back is Brewer or Korver.

    I could at least see the remote possibility of dumping both Smith & Johnson and full rebuilding if this year goes south, in which case getting Gibson back would at least give them a cheap piece to rebuild with.

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    In the offseason when the Bulls moved Hinrich I remember taking that as a signal that they were going to make a play for Johnson. That's mostly because I really didn't think Johnson would pull a supermax contract out of Atlanta since Crawford had such a good season. So, yeah I got that one wrong.

    I wouldn't have minded the Bulls taking Johnson as insurance against completely getting shut out of the free agent bonanza, at around 6/yrs, $90 mil. But it still would have been a mistake.

    Pax said on an ESPN 1000 interview last week during halftime of the Spurs game that he was very happy that there are no ballstoppers on this team. That's as clear an insight as any into what kind of guys they were looking for this offseason. Brewer, with his hops back gives this team a much better chance to win now, and win in the future than an iso-specialist like Johnson.

  • You can tell they hit the panic button with his contract. Didnt he want to come to Chicago?

    Also I was just think I would love to have Crawford

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I don't know how much Chicago's interest was real, and how much was hoping they'd hit the panic button and overpay. Always good to make a rival cripple themselves if you can.

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    This just brings back some feelings of being really pissed of at the 3 queens.

    We are all pretty sure that they had this whole thing planned for awhile! If they would have just came out the first day and signed we could have just done our own thing.

    I would have loved to have Wesley Matthews of Steve Blake on our team.

    They really screwed us by making us wait

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    I think we wait until the offseason to sign anyone else the free agent class doesnt look to bad at all this summer.

    Crawford, Redd, J.R. Smith I'd take any of those to add depth to the sg spot but I think the only one I'd start of brewer is Crawford.

    Kapono wouldnt be bad if you could get him for the vet minimum imagine how much you could spread the floor if you played him at the two and KK at the three in stretches

  • In reply to UtahBullsFan:

    No. Why would the bulls do that when the could probably get somebody like on mayor for half that amount?

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    that should be oj mayo...

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    There's no realistic way to get OJ Mayo. Especially since he's rated like he's something more than just a poor man's Ben Gordon.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    In a word, no. I'd rather roll the dice with a deeper bench and possibility at upgrading in the future with a cheaper up and comer. Maybe that Charlotte pick helps us out in a year or two.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    No way we don't need anymore $14M+/yr players on this team!
    Rose deserves max $ over anyone else on the team.
    Didn't we just agree to pay Noah $12M/yr & Boozer $15M/yr and Deng is making around $15M/yr too if I'm thinking correctly!
    Joe Johnson is too old and has too many miles on his body to spend $15M+/yr on.
    I think we should start Brewer now and see how he does. We do have a rotational SG position but have 3 different type of players in (Bogans, Brewer, KK) even in small ball we have Rose/Watson so play SG when on the floor together.
    There are too many good young SG out there then Joe Johnson!
    Id try dealing with Philly to get Iggy.
    We could go after OJ Majo.
    I wish we still had Thabo here, look at him in OKC he is a defensive specialist and not looked to put up offense.
    Rose is the stud, with Boozer coming back...I say we are fine for now and should not give max $ for a guy like Joe Johnson.
    No need to hit the panic button yet!
    We need the $ to pay Rose big $ which he deserves!
    If we can't get Melo for Taj, JJ, Deng, Charlotte #1 pick then
    we cant but not giving up Noah!
    We need Noah with Boozer and Rose as our nucleus on this team and put Melo on it and we have a dynasty team once again!

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I think we are underestimating Atlanta. I feel Atlanta is a growing team and will be better than the previous years. And, I don't feel that Joe Johnson is a bad contract for Atlanta. They were over the cap anyhow and he will be 34. If Ray Allen can get a 2/20 mil contract at 34/35....Joe Johnson will be fine. He need not be the primary guy after a couple of more years...it might be Al Horford or maybe Josh Smith might mature as the main guys and Joe might be the 3rd or 4th best player on the team albeit overpaid.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    I rather go after Kevin Martin from Houston, or many other younger SGs then Joe Johnson! I really want to see our own JJ (James Johnson) get more minutes especially now if Taj is down and Deng needs to play PF.
    I think our JJ could become a beast (play SG-PF), we have seen glimmers of it but he needs real game time other then garbage time.

  • In reply to smiley:

    It's going to be pretty hard to give a guy like JJ meaningful time since this team will be competing in a tight playoff positioning race all year long. Injuries are the only way he gets that kind of experience, and I'd rather see us healthy than see JJ on the floor.

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    miami might go away sooner than people think cause bosh isnt all that good and wade might be a shell of himself within 3 years (as he deserves to be for the piece of #$% that he is) because of his perpetual injuries.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Agree...Dan Gilbert seems to be a prophet and his curse is really coming true. But honestly, by playoffs...they should be in fine shape. Also...personally of all the players in the NBA....the only player I wish who has a career ending injury is Wade for all his machinations. I somehow feel LeBron was played by Wade and Bosh seems to be a sideshow anyhow.
    The Bulls(including the FO) need to develop that killer attitude like the Celtics have in the playoffs.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Doug, please don't tell me you buy into the whole "Miami has the best point differential so they are the best team in the league thing". Come on man you're better than that. I know studies have been done to show there is some correlation, but the whole philosophy is flawed. Especially when you are only considering such a small sample size.. Just make me feel better and tell me you don't actually agree with John Hollinger, who mind you has predicted ZERO champions with his point differential power rankings over the years.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Agreed, Wade is injury prone, and it will only get worse. He takes a beating with his style of play, unfortunately the same thing will be said of Rose at Wade's age, unless he can assimilate some other weapons to his game.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Rose isnt really reckles at all, he keeps avoiding contact, which is bad for the short but good in the long run if it keeps his body functioning right. Wade is one of those guys who really buys into his superstar status and goes out there looking to get calls time after time, even if its total bs as in the 2006 finals

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    Thats true, but it seems like lately when Rose gets fouled, he gets fouled hard because of how fast his body is moving in mid air. I guess what I was saying is a guy that depends on getting to the rim for his points will get battered up more than a jump shooting type.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    JUST CURIOUS:

    What's the point of looking back? I'll answer that for you. There is no point.

    The Bulls' management and their fans should be looking forward, not backward.

    Per usually, Doug Thonus is discussing the wrong Johnson.

    Why project him and all his DNP's?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So happy tell me who will be a good wings player the can get this season that will help them get to the finals

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    It just goes to show either a lot of people don't understand the Heat's talent level or they are just so giddy about them losing more than expected. Doug is right to keep the respect for the Heat cause once that team does put everything together, people will complaining about them again. Now I understand why a lot of Bulls fans feel like the Bulls as constructed will get far in the playoffs. Like I have stated before, this Bulls team as is now is a good team but I feel like the talent of a few teams in the east would overtake the Bulls in a playoff series weather some of you want to believe it or not. The Bulls will at some point have to upgrade at one or another position to get the team over the hump cause unlike some of the fans, I don't think the Bulls brass will overvalue some of the guys on this team.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Those who refuse to learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    There's no point discussing James Johnson because he's pretty much inconsequential to the Bulls. He's unlikely to play much, even if he does play he's unlikely to do much, and he doesn't have much trade value.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    He still could provide them with value in the future

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Hell no to Joe. Even in July the caveat was for the right price, like around 12 mil....his current deal is no where around the right price.

    As for the Heat, LOVE IT! Karma is a bitch to those who do wrong. I'd still think they are the team to beat in the playoffs though, because everyone in the playoffs plays hard. Its the same reason why Skiles never had playoff success. All season long his teams were maxing out, they had no room to improve later. Thats just the opposite of the Heat, and one of the resons I would be concerned about us in the playoffs, execpt now it even seems like we are getting 110% from opponents. Probably because we have the reputation to be grimp, and opponents know they need to bring the heat against us.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    BACK-TO-BACK STATS:

    -Yes the Bulls lead the NBA in back-to-backs(B2Bs) played w/ 23

    -But, here's the good news, we play in 26 games with the opponent on a B2B, giving us a +3 advantage

    -Of our 23, 15 our only us on a B2B, 8 are both Bulls & opponent

    -Of our opponents 26 B2Bs, 18 are just them on a B2B, with the same 8 shared B2Bs

    -After the road trip ends, we'll have only 10 B2Bs left where we are the only one on B2B, while having still around 16-17 games with only our opponent on a B2B

    Get the full stats here: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2010/11/unnecessarily-comprehensive-and-overdue.html

    Also interesting, here's how the schedule is made: http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19219/how-to-build-the-nba-schedule

    Read more: http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2010/11/bulls-beat-167---through-the-texas-triangle.html#ixzz163noyDkp

  • In reply to bullshooter:

    hell no

  • Ah I made my post below before reading yours MW, forgive me for the repetitive post. I've also looked into the point differential historical correlations and have to admit they are solid, but its such a flawed statistic. There are so many possible ways you can arrive at a high point differential. I'll stick with how you play against the teams that can threaten you come playoff time over a stat that is obtainable by such a multitude of possibilities, many of which have zero relation to the characteristics of a championship team.

  • Keeping Taj Korver and Deng while adding a SG would be excellent.

  • Now that would be awesome! Mitchell's proposal sounds like the best trade idea I've heard so far.

    To get a young and legit scoring SG like Kevin Martin for Brewer, Asik, JJ, and the Charlotte pick?? I'd do that in a heartbeat! Replacing Asik would be the most pressing issue, but aside from that the bench looks solid. Still, not sure if Houston would pull the trigger. Aside from Brooks, Martin is the only young asset they have. However, they'd be getting back a dependabe vet who is just 25, 2 young players with a lot of upside, and a pretty decent draft pick. I think even Mr. Happy would give his blessing on this one!

  • Troy: I agree with you on JJ.. He has looked pretty good at times playing D and driving the basket .. His outside shot needs help.. But Im NOT a Thibs fan and I dont think he likes JJ. Poor JJ . clapping and supporting his teammates and never gets into the game.. Same with Asik who should definitely get more playing time with and without Noah out there.. I think this coach is burning out Deng/Gibsin and he soon will be hurt/or shooting badly due to neing tired. It seems obvious to me when Noah and Asik out there together
    the basket in much better protected and gives NOah somewhat of a easier time defensively.. But this coach dont see it that way .. I really dont like him!! Hope he wakes up .. It seems he wants to impress everyone with wins at all costs. He played Deng like the whole 1st 1/2 that last 2 gamess o close to it and Deng has struggled. I just dont get it!!!

  • I agree that people are getting overly excited and jumping on the heat's back, but the excuse, or reasoning of "they haven't had time to gel yet" kind of bothers me. While it's absolutely true, they will gel and get better as the season goes on, the same can be said to a certain extent for every team in the league; in our case I'd argue we actually have more room for improvement than the heat. Every team comes in to training camp as an unfinished product, virtually every team barring injuries, gels and improves throughout the season. In our case, we have an overhauled team excluding Rose Noah Deng, along with a new coach, and up to this point we're missing our second or third best player. Sure the Heat are even more of an overhaul job, but it isn't as if Bosh Lebron and Wade haven't played together previously, plus they aren't missing a piece as important to them as Boozer is to us. I don't mean to say any of this as if it was news to anyone, it just irks me to hear people talk about how the Heat will make these massive strides as if every other team was going to remain stagnant. The Heat have work to do, and will get incrementally better, but so will everyone else in the league. And I'm not talking about you Doug when I refer to these people.

    Doug we never really got an explanation on how you felt about the relevancy of point differential in ranking teams, your thoughts?

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    With haslem out and miller and you never know with wade health any season and with the cba looming also this heat team will not be who you think they are trust me shit the might only be a 4 or 5 seed this season

  • I suppose we are a bit biased...lol.

  • Damn doug why are you so afraid of the heat. no matter what they try to do this season or and two years they won't be that beast of a team you thought they will be. and also other team will keep getting better so the east will always to me be up for grab.

  • I'm sure we would have taken him for the right price, but I think we weren't ever going to get into a bidding war with Atlanta for him. I feel like Atlanta could have kept him on a smaller deal, but the fear of our interest pushed them into the max offer.

  • I think the Gay & Conley contracts make it hard for the Griz to pay both Gasol and Mayo, so there's a possibility they might move him, I just doubt we'd have the best offer.

    If we're going down the route of smallish jump shooting guards, we may as well give Detroit a call and see whether we can get Gordon back. I think we could get him for fewer assets than Mayo would cost.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    PULEASE! No way I'd take Gordon and his $11 million per contract. No team with Gordon as a starting SG is going anywhere in the playoffs. But we already know that here in Chicago.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Gordon is overpaid, but that's why he might be available. He's a better player than OJ Mayo, and it's likely given their ages over the course of his contract he'll prove to be a better player than Joe Johnson. If we're looking at those other options then we may as well consider Gordon as well.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Bulls aren't adding any more 8 figure salaries to this team. Especially not for non-all-stars. Better get used to it.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I'm not even saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying if you're going to talk Joe Johnson or OJ Mayo (who will likely be a 8 figure salary shortly) you may as well consider Gordon.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    I don't believe Jerry Reinsdorf, Gar Forman and John Paxson are discussing adding a fifth (including Rose's extension) 8 figure salary to the Bulls roster. And if you think they would ever consider bringing back Ben Gordon you're delusional.

  • In reply to Edward:

    They brought Boozer in even though he screwed over Jim Paxson, I have no doubt the way Gordon leaving wouldn't affect their decision one iota if they thought bringing him back was a good move.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Plus the subject was would YOU bring in Joe Johnson, not would the Bulls pay for him. Whether JR is considering paying for another 8 figure salary isn't really the issue being discussed here.

  • In reply to Edward:

    But Doug, its not simply a matter of pulling the trigger is it? Teams can't simply go over the cap like Lakers, Orlando because they want to. To go over the cap, teams have to resign their own players to larger contracts (Noah, Rose, then Gibson if he's not traded) and add additional players through exceptions, the draft or trades with salary matching. If those additional players breakout they can be resigned to go further over the cap. Isn't that how Lakers, Orlando, etc. got those huge luxury tax payrolls?

    For example, Orlando matched large offer sheets to keep bench players Gortat and Reddick and is paying massive luxury tax as a result. Reinsdorf, in contrast, let No. 3 draft pick Gordon go for zero compensation rather than resign him to a big contract. It's a different philosophy and way of doing business.

    Currently, I believe Bulls are about 2.5 million under the cap, but with Noah's and Rose's extension coming into effect they will soon be well into luxury tax territory. So how can bulls pull the trigger? They have very little flexibility to add players.

    Bulls are now in a position that they must match salaries in any deal except for the little bit of cap room remaining until the February trading deadline. That's why I believe Bulls must find an unpolished diamond at SG and develop him. I know it

  • Brewer or Korver plus Asik & JJ is enough to match salaries. I'd rather throw in Korver than Brewer (we're getting an offensive player so keep the defensive one) but I wouldn't argue either way.

  • Here's a thought if we're talking taking on a bunch of salary: what about Brandon Roy? With his knees and Oden being gone from Portland, there at least has to be a chance they decide to blow it up. Sure he might be a cap crippling lump of rubbish, but no more so than an aging JJ, and at least a Roy deal would have a small chance of actually working out. A Bulls team with a healthy Roy would be a real contender unlike with JJ.

    Personally I probably still wouldn't do it, but I'd at least be tempted unlike with JJ.

  • Yeah that's why I said I probably wouldn't do it, but I think at least it's a gamble that has upside. JJ doesn't have upside, he's just going to get older and worse.

  • so who would you guyz rather have Kevin Martin or Melo? If Rockets continue to lose we may have a better chance to get KMart!

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    neither, play the season out with Brewer, then in the off season if you feel the need to upgrade the 2, more, cheaper options will be available. Maybe we could pick up someone for free like the Wizards did with Kurt Hinrich. I know we don't have cap room to make that kind of deal, but something like that

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    It depends entirely on what we'd have to give up to get them.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    no it doesn't, KMart sucks & he is made of glass

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    If you're not giving up much his injury history matters a lot less, we'd have a good enough team to get us a decent regular season record without him, and it'd just be a gamble that he's healthy for the playoffs.

    As for him sucking, either you have high standards or you don't account for how few really great SGs there are.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    I say a definite NO to Joe Johnson, his age, playoff performance, and contract. And Bulls can't add another 8 figure salary without trading Deng, so its virtually impossible to get Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, Jason Richardson (who will be a free agent in July - I wonder what he will sign for with the new CBA?).

    Bulls are going to have to pull a rabbit out of their hat to get a good shooting guard. They need a talented guy at mid 7 figures. It may have to be more of a young prospect that Bulls develop.

    It's easy to say Bulls should get a Max or All-Star SG, but not very realistic. Gar and Pax are going to have to earn their pay with this SG addidtion. Can they get creative and surprise us?

  • In reply to Edward:

    Completely false information, we can get those guys without trading Deng (whether we'd WANT to is another question, but we do have the salary to match).

    The most realistic is clearly Martin, he doesn't make nearly as much as you seem to think, Korver makes 5 million and Brewer 4.8, so either one of those plus two of our low salary filler is enough to match with Martin's 10.8.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    And just why would Houston take that for Martin? Not going to happen.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Obviously they'd only be looking to trade him for crap & picks if they decide to dump salary and rebuild. Which at 3-9 and no real prospect of Yao even being useful again, is starting to look like something that might happen.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    This is the heat team that resse1 and doug fear so much... please these suckers just got their ass kick at home to the 500 ind pacers they are losing now they will lose later the bulls boston and magic are the team to beat in the east

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    But what can change for the heat this will always be a problem when boston big 3 came together they didn't have this problem at all the heat are having look wade is already hurt again and wont be the last time that happen this season. The just sign erica dampier lol he wont help to old and slow lol please

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Regarding SG. Bulls need to somehow find an unpolished diamond and develop him. Like Noah and Taj developed and are continuing to develop. A couple thoughts come to mind - Terrance Williams, Courtney Lee. I'm sure other people here have their suggestions.

    But my main point is with the new CBA and Noah and Rose's extensions Reinsdorf will not be adding any more 8 figure salaries to this team. Its going to have to be a savvy move by GarPax and some internal development that solves the Bulls SG woes.

    Not what we want to hear, but I think its true.

  • In reply to Edward:

    The problem with that theory is if you get some cheap guy and they turn out to be good they'll need to be paid anyway. We're screwed no matter what if we need a great SG to win and we're not willing to pay.

  • In reply to DontLetsStart:

    Not that I think we need a great SG, I'm actually happy to stick with Brewer unless we can rob someone in a trade.

  • In reply to Edward:

    T. Williams is a head case

    I like Lee, but there has to be a reason he is getting bounced around

  • In reply to Edward:

    @ed Who;s out there then besides those guys that we can get. Thinking Marcus Thorton. He would add a lil bit more offense but wont get us any closer to a elite contender

  • In reply to Edward:

    trade JJ+cash for Marcus Thorton. Not too thrilled with Bogans. Start Brewer With Thorton off the bench. He played good last year but not getting playing time this year.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    seriously?

  • we can seriously finish with a better record than them. I see a 2 seed in our future, behind Orlando. Then Boston, Miami, & Atlanta

  • Yeah, I don't think they'd do it from a pure financial point of view since they're a spend big regardless team, it would be to blow the team up and try again with some cap space. I just don't think they're getting talent back for Roy, he's uninsured so I can't really see any team giving up anything for him.

    Although the uninsured bit probably kills any practical chance of the Bulls getting involved anyway.

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