Bulls vs Knicks at 7pm on TNT

Ahh, the Chicago Bulls vs the New York Knicks.  

This is one series I simply love to watch even when the teams stink.   There's so much history between the clubs.   The Knicks played the nail to the Bulls hammer in the 90s, they traded a boatload of players back and forth in the 2000s, and there's always the Chicago vs NY big city pride thing going on.

On top of that, you had the teams competing for the same players in free agency this summer as well as competing for Carmelo Anthony at the trade deadline coming up.   The Knicks feel more entwined with the Bulls than any other team in the league which simply makes their matchups more fun.

I consider the Bulls the favorite in this game, but not an overwhelming one.  As always, much depends on who steps up outside of Rose and Noah.   I think we have certain expectations for those two which will be met, but we don't know what we'll get out of Luol Deng.

Deng scored the most points ever on 24 possessions against Portland, but he also failed to show up on offense for the previous two games.   A repeat 40 point performance isn't likely, but can he give the Bulls 20 on 15 shots?

Who out of Korver, Brewer, Gibson, Asik, Bogans, Watson, and Johnson can come in and give the Bulls quality minutes?
 
Keys to the game:
1:  Don't let the Knicks shoot their way out of a slump.    They don't have particularly dangerous one on one players outside of Stoudemire, so just make sure to cover up on the shooters and don't let them work their way out of a slump here.

2: Control the fundamentals.  When you play a team that you're better than, one of the primary keys is not to give the game away.   Don't let turnovers and offensive rebounds keep the Knicks in the game by losing out on the hustle end.

3: Win the top line talent matchups.   Our big three of Rose, Noah, and Deng is more talented, imo, than their big three of Amare, Felton, and Chandler.   If we win the topline talent matchups then the Knicks bench isn't likely to pull the game out.  

4: Put your foot down early.   The Knicks play a game where they're probably favored tomorrow, and if the Bulls can climb out to a big lead then they may pack it in early and start shifting gears for their game the next night instead of expending energy in an unlikely comeback bid.

5: Go all out.   Unlike the Knicks, the Bulls are massive underdogs in their game tomorrow, so lay everything on the line to win this one, because it's the one you can probably get. 

Final thoughts:

The Bulls can jump off to a 3-1 start with a win here, and while a 2-2 start is far from disastrous, the schedule is about to get a heck of a lot harder on the west coast trip.   Picking up wins in the games they're favored is awfully important at this stage in order to at least hold serve until Boozer comes back.

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  • Lets hope the defense can contain their top scorers and control the boards and someone else steps up along with Noah and Rose, preferably Deng who hopefully can get at least 20 points.

  • im going to this game. section 117. super excited. GO BULLS! this is a win for sure. since i will attending. : )

  • i predict a win today and tomorrow! go bulls

  • Any winnable game with Boozer out is an important game to get. Let's keep some momentum going. I'd like to see Brewer get going too. Go Bulls!

  • In reply to CN71:

    if your a pro-athelete and get paid some good money. You better go out there everyday and play your tail off. Look at JOkim for example. He is a hardcore balls out player. all players should mimic this kids motor! GO BULLS!

  • In reply to CN71:

    Keys to the game
    -Must defend the pick and roll (Amare greatest strength)
    - get a hand in gallinari face on every shot once he's in a slump it's tough for him to get out
    -Throw differnt defenders at amare.( Gibson and Noah )
    -Amare isn't patient with the ball if we double him in the post he becomes turnover prone
    - jump on them early

    I think Derrick will go for 18pts 3-4 rebounds 6-7 assists. Noah goes for 16pts 15 rebounds. Deng I can't say way to unpredictable.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    We're in trouble if Noah and Rose only have 33 points between the two of them.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    WORD OF THE DAY:

    CONSISTENCY - Reliability or uniformity of successive results or events.

    (Luol Deng, James Johnson and the Bulls' bench...need to find that.)

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    prediction time, bulls win! i am all knowing. all others bow to me, i am superior...

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    i should never predict again

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    i dont think the coach is a quitter. I think he was settin the starters up for tomorrow nights game.

    @Happy i basically said we need a SG!! The whole league knows we need Scorer its not a secret. and he is a good backup SG i wouldnt rate him that low

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bullz,

    Is it easier to beat the Knicks trailing by 9 w/ 5mins. left or the C's in Boston?

    I would have liked to see Rose and Noah in the game for that last 5mins.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    Cospiracy Theory: micromanagers Paxson & Forman call down to Thibs, telling him he is playing Rose too much & he is going to hard on the 1st of 2 back-to-back games. Thibs pulls a Del Negro & to make a point doesn't play Rose & Noah the last 9 1/2 minutes.

    Nah, they just probably never pulled close enough to put the stars back in & Thibs was well aware they would be going again in 20 hours. Still out of respect for those 2 competitors, you gotta have them out there for the 4th

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ChiRy,

    It's very debatable.

    The Bulls were down 108-99 with just under 5 mins. left. The Knicks missed a shot, so the Bulls had a chance to cut it to 6 or 7. CJ Watson, who was AWFUL once again, missed a shot and then Galinari canned another 3 to stretch it to 12 again.

    Things could have gotten interesting, if Rose and Noah were in the game and could have scored off that initial Knicks miss. Either way, the Bulls should be giving up 70 first half poins, 120 points for the game and 14 3pt. makes.

    BAD PREPARATION and COACHING from Thibs in that case.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    It's a game that the Bulls should win, even without Boozer the Bulls at home are better than the Knicks. The risk is that the Knicks will shoot a lot of threes and any team that does that can get lucky if they hit a few more than usual. Also the Knicks defense so far this year has been improved, so I hope we don't just expect to be able to score at will.

  • In reply to CN71:

    rose will bring his game today for sure. Cuz he loves it when tnt is hosting the games. He probably likes watching the replays on espn. hahahaha

  • Holy sh..! That's our point guard...

  • In reply to Rincewind:

    OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT DUNK WAS UNREAL!!! TOP 10 on espn easy!

  • In reply to Rincewind:

    LUOL DENG SucKS at BASKETBALL!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    really because cj watson and ronnie brewer are helping? both guys are bums.. carmelo wouldnt help with tonight..its defense.. cj and brewer are bringing nothing off the bench.. trade both guys for aaron afflalo and something else and let jj run the offense for the bench.. we cant slow them down..

  • CJ Watson is playing terrible so far...he seems to think he's still in Golden State.

  • I agree, it doesn't make any sense. Someone has to tell him...Doug, can't you interview him and ask him why he's doing it? ;)

  • what the $%Q^$@%#@#%#%@Q^#$@&(()()@(#%@*# is goin on

  • some knicks thug action on deng?

  • I guess im not watching this game anymore

  • It looks like the Bulls are playing down to their competition and not sharp in the 1st half. Galinari must have had some good Italian food in town

  • the only positive thing is: it can't really get any worse in the 2nd half...

  • Think the Bulls read Doug's 3 game grades and were too full of themselves going into this game.

    WTF they have failed completely on Dougs keys....actually Taj and Deng are scoring ok I guess

  • I thought were a DEFENSIVE TEAM????

  • Biggest disappointment this season for me has to be Watsons ability to lead the second unit. When he isn't scoring he is all but useless. 2nd biggest is the defense most of the season.

  • Bulls need to adjust to this Phoenix type offense. Knicks in too much rhythm on offense.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Your right.. focus on defending PG and SG, then do full court press.. always put fresh legs to continue the press and roation..

  • Agreed by I am still hopeful that those problems will can be corrected, Watson just doesn't seem to have a gave that gets others invovled (Korver, Brewer, etc)and I dont see that changing.

  • side note... anyone notice how omer brings the ball down everytime it seems before he goes up?

  • DENG IS GUARDING GALINARI LOL He torched him! NOAH with a nice full court coast to coast dunk!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    no.. your cleary watching a different game.. all his baskets are being uncontested and off breaks where others are picking him up.. they havent slowed the game once..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    So because there on the break....Thats not Luol Dengs fault?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    you have got to be fucking kidding me with this shooting by ny

  • Just sucks that it doesn't help Korver and Brewers skill-set

  • TRADE WATSON AND RUN THE OFFENSE THREW JJ.. USE HIS SKILL.. smh.. i hate how ya keep pointing at deng and other players who cleary not our problem.. our bench and defense is a concern..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Deng sucks (as he just trips over his own two feet on the court)....an our bench sucks... Why the heck is scalabrine guarding Amare WHEN WE JUST PAID NOAH ALL THAT MONEY TO BE A DEFENSIVE PRESENCE FOR US!??!?! We basically paid him all that money to be a help side defender...what a waste

  • In reply to Csharp:

    because kurt thomas is garbage, noah needs to stay away from foul trouble like taj was earlier.. we cleary need a makeover at bench..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    ya i agree

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    D Rose is a hell of a bball player

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Luol Deng missed defensive assignment....didnt slide over to gaurd Turaif

  • In reply to Csharp:

    NICE 3 Deng it!!!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    funny how you nicknamed the play after him but bash him on everything else when deng cleary isnt our problem.. this bench is lost.. watson is garbage.. wtf is brewer paid for again.. and why does asik act like he never played basketball before..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Luol Deng 5 turnovers...leads the team

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Rose 14 assist! NICE!

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Unbelievable how we are even in this game right now....Knicks are making all kinds of crap shots

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Man...there just getting lucky tonight

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    James Johnson what r u doing right now? Why?

  • In reply to Csharp:

    csharp,

    Newsflash...Dickey Johnson SUCKS!!!

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Oh no here comes our bench...this game is over

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Well... after tomorrow the Bulls will be 2-3 more than likely.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    VINNY DEL NEGRO (part 2):

    Thibs is doing an excellent job preparing his players.

    It's not like Derrick Rose could use Mo Cheeks as a mentor to teach him some D.

    He can't guard a BLEEPIN soul out there.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    trade watson,brewer,omer & 1st for toney douglas, ronny turiaf and arron afflalo in 3 team deal.. let them get melo.. offense isnt our problem.. its defense and shooting..

    rose/douglas/jj
    afflalo/bogans(where he should be)/jj
    deng/korver/jj
    boozer/taj/jj
    noah/turif

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Bulls need to switch to man to man defense cause NY shooting way too many 3s and hitting them.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    We need Bench Scoring, Defense and another All Star to be anything.....dont forget the Pistons killed us too last game....luckily we got back into the game

  • How about when he runs.....he gives everyone a thumbs up lol check it out when he gets in

  • Bulls defenders are positioned BELOW the 3pt line so the Knicks are shooting wide open 3s. To properly defend the 3pt shot the defender needs to extend ABOVE the 3pt line, especially when a team is hot.

  • as has beenm the case for 12 years, bulls can lose to anyone any given night

  • wow, bulls getting beat by some of the biggest bags of shit in the league

  • WHY IS ROSE NOT IN THE GAME!?!?!?! WTF is going here?

  • ok... I guess Thibs is upset with the starters...WOW.

  • Thibodeau gets his first big coaching blunder keepin the scrubs in a winnable game

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    The scrubs made it winnable the starters couldn't guard anyone tonight.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    This is a Coach s loss. Yes we made alot of mistakes. But I don't understand Thibs puttin ALL bench players in the game in the second quarter. How about rotating the starters to the bench. I don't like the minutes korver is gettin. He need to play more with the starters and/or Rose. Must give Knicks credit shot lights out from 3!

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    with any defense on those threes it could have prevented them getting hit

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    hot i mean

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bully,

    Their weaknesses have been exposed. In-experienced HEAD COACH and no WING scorer.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They shot 47% from 3 on 19 attempts, it certainly wasn't lack of scoring, and saying Thibs is inexperienced is just factually incorrect. You just can't defend 67% on 24 attempts from 3. You just can't.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    Happy, take a chill pill. Yes it was a disappointing performance, but the bench players had their moments. Defense definitely looked "a step behind" all night. Mitchell, there's nothing I hate more than listening to Marv Albert crow about his beloved Knicks. This is one game that is best put in the past. Clearly the team still has a lot of work to do. Give it time. p.s. I hate the Knicks!!!

  • In reply to thegreatlie:

    Logic,

    It's cold outside. I'm perfectly chilled right now. Thanks for your concern.

    Like it or not, this Bulls' team has weaknesses. It's okay to point them out.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    True enough my friend!!! The Bulls weren't at there best and the Knicks shot a VERY high percentage of threes. That said you're completely correct in saying that there are some weaknesses. So your observations are duly noted. Let's hope things start gelling soon. Still I feel pretty good about the team. I may be looking through "rose colored glasses" but I still have high hopes for the team. I must add Saturdays home opener come back was UNREAL and SUPER fun!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    p.s. Mr Happy, I will be checking out Melo this week.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    ALERT:

    James Johnson being traded to the Charlotte Bobcats?

    It's listed under the RUMOR SECTION on the ESPN website.

    Anybody heard anything?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yea Jj to the bobcats but idk for who per yahoo

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yea Jj to the bobcats but idk for who per yahoo

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Wh could we get from the Bobcats that cam help us? I hope there is something more to this.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Wh could we get from the Bobcats that cam help us? I hope there is something more to this.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    @ixon
    alot of those threes the knicks shot were contested. they just knocked them down. anyways CJ Watson is a gun! he is a shoot first point guard. so after Dec 1 or 15th which ever it is I hope GarPax trades him. We need a scorer at SG and we need a PG. who no clue.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    and Bogans not knocking down the 3 anymore since he won the starting spot!

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bully,

    The Bulls need a NEW starting SG. Bogans is a 3rd SG/SF at best.

  • are the bulls actually playing better defense under thibodeau than VDN? I think if anything the offense looks better and the defense worse, which balances out to the same bs results but with higher scores

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    There are so many new players on this year's team as well as a new coach - it will take time for everyone to jell. And I think Bulls miss Hinrich's leadership and defense on the perimeter.

  • In reply to Edward:

    i dont think there is any valid excuse to lose to the knicks on your home floor

  • losing to the knicks is always embarrasing

  • Anyone else wondering if the reason Rose, Deng and Noah didn't come back in was to keep them as fresh as possible so Thibs can look his best against his old team?

  • In reply to WearShades:

    Unless thibodeau has some kind of secret to beating the celtics i dont see why they wont blow these guys out by 30 as they have in the regular season every time for the last 3 years

  • In reply to WearShades:

    The were gettig killed, the 2nd unit brought them back but then that late 3 pretty much sealed it. I assume TT would have brought them back it had that 3 not happened.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    I know, I just thought it was curious that Boston was next up on the schedule.

  • QUITTER:

    Is that what the GarPax hired? Thibs QUIT on his team with 5 mins. to go.

    Weren't they only down by 9 points? SAD!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The backups were playing very well. I'd have brought Rose, Deng and Noah back in too but it's not as though it's completely indefensible with another game in under 24 hours.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    Wear,

    Beat the Knicks at home down by 9 w/ 5 mins. left or the Celtics in Boston?

    Which is easier?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    bulls gonna get trampled tomorrow

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I would think the Knicks (though it wasn't 9 points at the 5 minute mark, that came at about 2:30), but the unit on the court was playing very well and you'd have 3 players coming in cold. Perhaps he told the second unit once they came in that they were finishing the night (it was a 15-20 point deficit when they came in) and once they brought them close he felt it would be good for their confidence to leave them in.

    Again, I agree Rose and co. should have gone back in but I don't know that it's nearly as dire as you think it is. It's only 1.2% of our season and if it helps the second unit in the future then it's definitely defensible. Right now I give the benefit of the doubt to Thibs.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    should he get the benefit of the doubt for the horrible defense the bulls have played so far this year?

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    That needs to improve, but I think it'll come. It's four games in and they're 2-2. Hardly a jump off point.

  • In reply to ixonflex69:

    wake me up after the circus trip

  • In reply to WearShades:

    LOL Happy you are such an ass, to call someone a quitter. He works probably as hard as anyone in the league and want to win as bad as the next guy. As you always say inaccurately "learn the game fool" rose was getting torched and the second unit played well enough to bring them back until their ultimate demise by the 3. Pretty confident that had the possession that turned into a 5 point swing not had happened he would have brought them back. Not like they deserved it though.

  • Mitchell,

    I'm fine. The happy pills are working...haha.

    All I did was point out their weaknesses, including Thibs coaching like VDN.

  • c4,

    Are you on happy pills too? Haha.

  • doug make a post please..

    our biggest problem is we ran with the wrong team.. we cant run and shoot a team that wants to play that way.. boston went through the same thing but stopped.. and won. we cant play defense on a break im sorry but we asked for it by running..

    our bench is one of the worst.. honestly..no way around it.. its been 4 games and nothing has shown me this supporting cast is any good.. even with lebron.. our bench would still be terrible..

    and coaching? wow.. i heard alot of people already losing respect for thibs.. and its not hard to agree with them.. 9 mins on the bench with the game in reach.. did he not just coach us against the pistons?

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Yunq,

    He might be coming back from the game.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    There was alot to be unhappy with but to me the worst is the fact that Rose let Douglas go off against him. The Bulls looked to come out ready in the 3rd quarter to play so D, get stops and chip away but Roses D just kept getting abused and he had a few bad TO's in the middle of the comeback as well. He is a great talent and it is hard to go off on him but a superstar doesn't get lit up like that when the rest of the team is tightening up the D trying to come back.

  • The Knicks game plan tonight was to just run on the Bulls and take the 3 point shot and hope to build a big enough lead cause Dantoni and everyone else knows the Bulls are offensively challenged. Their game plan worked. Bulls need a shooting guard in the worst way if no other trades are made. Another backup point guard wouldn't hurt either cause Watson is garbage as of now.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    NY played like they wanted Melo and the Bulls didn't.

    Figures. The same egg was laid last year w/ Wade out there.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Man don't be so hard on drose look what happened to durant against the clippers lmao

    I think that thibs needs to give someone else a chanceat the starting 2 spot I know that kyle is more of a 2 but I'd like to see him start her creates offense without the ball in. his hands and he runs his ass off to get open

    I know his defense sucks but you can always just slide lu over in his spot on defense if that's where the better player is

    I know we need scoring off the bench but cjs inability to even find the open man negated that anyways

    there where some bright spots I thought tajs defense was looking alot better I really don't think thibs is a bad coach he's just gotta figure his personnel out

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Man don't be so hard on drose look what happened to durant against the clippers lmao

    I think that thibs needs to give someone else a chanceat the starting 2 spot I know that kyle is more of a 2 but I'd like to see him start her creates offense without the ball in. his hands and he runs his ass off to get open

    I know his defense sucks but you can always just slide lu over in his spot on defense if that's where the better player is

    I know we need scoring off the bench but cjs inability to even find the open man negated that anyways

    there where some bright spots I thought tajs defense was looking alot better I really don't think thibs is a bad coach he's just gotta figure his personnel out

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If you guys think about it kk is similar to bg bad ass jump shooter who sucks at defense although he doesn't have the quickness and slashing ability of bg He's taller which gives him a less chance of getting blocked

    I know he's not a true 2 but salmons wasn't a true 3 and he killed it until he got moved back

    I'm seriously all for kk being tried out at the starting 2

  • In reply to Reese1:

    If you guys think about it kk is similar to bg bad ass jump shooter who sucks at defense although he doesn't have the quickness and slashing ability of bg He's taller which gives him a less chance of getting blocked

    I know he's not a true 2 but salmons wasn't a true 3 and he killed it until he got moved back

    I'm seriously all for kk being tried out at the starting 2

  • QUESTION:

    Does anybody else, but me, think that Rose could have gone for 30pts. and 20 assts., if Thibs would have put him back in the game at the 5 min. mark?

    Just saying.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    and Douglas would have probably got to 40 pts, just sayin.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    UnstopaBull,

    True.

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