Derrick Rose - "I'm ready to be one of the elite players in the NBA."

Per KC Johnson:

"Because I feel my game maturing," he responded. "I feel way more
comfortable each year I play in the NBA. As a person, I'm just growing
up. I do everything by myself now. I've learned to get rest. I'm
responsible for my household. I live with my friend, and me having my
own house at 22 is kind of crazy.

"I have a lot more confidence this year than any other year I played in
the league. I put in so much work this summer. I shoot better. I have
confidence now to take the shot, no matter when or where it is or how
many times I miss. If I'm open, I'm going to shoot.

"I'm ready to be one of the elite players in the NBA."

"Right after they lost to Cleveland, he called me and said, 'Let's get
after it,' " McClanaghan said. "He wasn't kidding. This wasn't just
'Let's get shots up.' This was hard-core stuff. There was a point I was
like, 'Let's take a day off.'

"He has worked hard every year I've been with him, but I've never seen
him work harder and be more focused than this summer. He knows how much
time and effort he put in on the court, how much he gave up.

"That's why he has a little swag to him now. He knows he belongs."

In terms of how seriously to take such quotes, not too much.   Most great players are really confident and talk about how they're ready to step up their games and do all this stuff.  Some are able to do so, some aren't.    However, with Derrick, it's a little different.

You look at all of Rose's quotes this summer, and he's showing an infinite amount of confidence, and while I'm not sure if he ever lacked confidence in terms of basketball, he's certainly gained it in terms of expressing it to reporters.   You throw this one out there with the "why can't I be MVP?" quote and Rose, at the very least, visualizes his dominance.

His attitude this summer in regards to free agents seemed similar.   He seemed to carry himself with a "We're going to be awesome, so yeah, you should want to come here, but if not, it won't stop us from being awesome" type of approach.  He certainly didn't kneel down to kiss the ring of LeBron James and given that LeBron had his mind made up long before free agency started, I'm glad for that.

One of the questions surrounding Rose early in his career was whether or not he could have an alpha dog mentality.  While he's never lacked confidence, in his rookie season especially, he was hesitant to take over, playing quietly for long stretches.   With Ben Gordon booted in his second year, his quiet stretches shrunk considerably, and he certainly appears to have developed an alpha dog mentality this off-season.

He put in the work, had a great preseason, sounds ready to dominate, and all that's left is to put it all into action.

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  • It's Derrick's mentality, the way he carries himself that has made it easy for me to develop confidence in this team's future. I know it can seem ignorant to depend on his future outlook when I declare predictions for this team, but it is even more ignorant for people to say the Bulls wont have a chance against the Heat in years to come just because our team doesn't have the current talent to get it done. Why? Because our best player is 22 years old. Because when DRose is 25 Dwayne Wade will be a well traveled 31, and because Lebron might as well be that old considering they both were drafted in the same off-season. I for one am convinced that Derrick is committed to excellence, and possesses the physical gifts to match. Its a deadly combination.. and while people will say I'm a fool to be so confident in his development which has yet to reach completion.. just sit back and watch.

  • Doug, this is why I don't want Carmelo in our team yet, unless he is playing a Robin role. I really wish Derrick is a SG and not a PG though. I want to see Derrick develop a post game...

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Jet,

    And that's absurd on your part.

    I don't give shit about Derrick Rose saying he WANTS to be elite.

    Melo is ELITE already.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    It might sound absurd and selfish because I'm such a Derrick homer. I want to see Derrick grow and become elite than get an elite from another team and mess with team chemistry.

    Carmelo has been with Denver since 2003 and has taken them to the Conference Finals and he is no longer happy there for whatever reason (Management, location, LaLa wants to be in a bigger market, etc). If Carmelo is willing to play a Robin role, then I wouldn't mind as a fan.

    The selfishness in me wants Derrick to be the Franchise player and have the Bulls organization build around him. I'm not really sure if Derrick is that good to be a PURE PG without being a scoring guard and just defer to Boozer and Carmelo. This is the reason why I wish Derrick is taller so he can be a SG because in my opinion, Derrick is a better scorer than facilitator. Derrick's offensive strengths are attacking the basket and finishing above the rim (he still needs to work on getting better drawing fouls). He is a nightmare cover when he comes off a pick and role and I'm not sure how Melo is going to fit in because Melo also needs the ball in his hands. We are more complete without Melo than with Melo (depending on which assets we have to give up).

    Deng is a better fit because he doesn't need to have the ball in his hands. Deng is a better off the ball player, rebounder, and more efficient than Melo. Deng seems to be getting better with generating contact to go to the free throw line and also becoming a 3 pt threat.

    Derrick for now needs to continues to have the ball in his hands because he is not that great as an off the ball player yet. The question is, who fits better with Coach Thib's system Deng or Melo???

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Are you saying that Deng is better without the ball than Melo?

    If Deng is "better with Thib's system" than Melo, you change the system and the end result is being better than the status quo. Deng or Melo shouldn't even be a topic of discussion.

    Right now, this team is a legit playoff team, a near-lock to win the division, with no shot at a NBA title for years. Melo isn't a realistic possibility, but changing out Deng, Noah, Taj and a 1st rounder make the Bulls a legit playoff team, a near-lock to win the division, with no shot at a NBA title for years, but room on the roster to find those pieces. Now there's no room at the inn.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    I'm saying that with our current system and current players, Deng fits in better with the team than Melo will. I'm not really sure how many players/assets we have to give up to get Melo, but if ownership is always worried about getting under the tax, I'm not sure what type of depth and bench talent we will have as Melo, Boozer, Noah, and Derrick (after his contract gets picked up under new CBA) will eat up most of our cap space. After paying for Melo and Derrick's new contract, will ownership look at our team as contenders so they can go over the tax to fill in the rest of the depth and the bench?

    I would rather have the team ADD complimentary players that fits our system so we can be deeper just in case there's injuries during the season instead of gutting the team just to ADD Melo.

    Can Miami contend for a championship if one of their Big Three gets injured? Is Miami as deep as Boston and Orlando?

    My point is, we are a more complete team keeping our Big Three 1/2 of Rose, Boozer, Noah, and Deng while maintaining our current bench than gutting the team to add Melo. We still need to have better bench quality though that can fill in a starter position if one of our starters has an injury. Is our 6th man good enough anyways? Who is our 6th man? I'm kinda nervous if one of our bigs goes down and Thomas and Scalabrine have to play major mins because of Asik's or Gibson's consistency getting in foul trouble. I think we are deep if we remain healthy, but it'll be interesting if Noah, Boozer, Deng can remain healthy this season.

    Depending on our team's needs, injuries, and our record, we might be active during the trade deadline in order to remain competitive.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Jet,

    Melo fits in better with the Bulls, because he's a better player.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Remember when the Pistons beat a talented Lakers team for the Championship in 2004? The Lakers were more talented than Detroit, but they still lost. Lakers added Karl Malone and Gary Payton, but that didn't work. Talent doesn't necessarily mean better fit in a system and a team.

    What good is your talent when it MAY NOT fit in with the team. Melo may still be talented but what if the rest of the team suffers because his game is not clicking with his teammates?

    It was better to add Melo prior to training camp so they could've seen what they have with their players, but that didn't happen. The best thing to do right now is try to work Boozer back in the rotation and see what we have until the trade deadline. If Melo is still available, and we just suck, then maybe it might be better to try to deal for Melo. If we do deal for Melo, it'll be interesting to see if we are going to give Rose a Max Contract while we keep the team intact or will we get rid of players again just so we can remain under the tax.

  • In reply to LittleAlex:

    Alex,

    It's all about selling the right trade to get Melo.

    Sacramento is the answer.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Any guesses on when Rose will have the best season of his career or play his best. It might not be the best team performance. For ex: MJ was in his prime in 1991-92 rather than 95-96.
    I think he will be the best in Year 5 or Year 6.

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    In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Jordan's best was actually 88 I think. For Rose, this season or next will probably be his career best. Not necessarily for titles, or MVPs but statistically. Oscar better look out cause Derrick is serious.

  • In reply to truniac307:

    Jet,

    Melo is BATMAN and Rose is ROBIN...it's as simple as that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Melo is Batman with the Nuggets and he can stay there if he doesn't want to play behind Derrick Rose. Rose is Superman with the Bulls.

    Interesting to see at the end of the season who will be Batman in Miami. Will Miami eventually be LeBron's team or will it always be Wade's?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    hahahahahahahahahahahaha ......MrHappy calm down

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    This Derrick Rose 3RD YEAR in the league. Derrick Rose has made strides of big proportions in theses two years he had played. 1st year rookie of the year. 2nd year he made the all-star team. I cant see how anybody can doubt that derrick will not be a elite player this year or the years to come.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Mr. Happy,

    Carmelo Anthony didn't make an all-star team until his 4th year in the league. Derrick Rose did it in his second year. So relax - Rose will be a 'multiple all-star' as well. And likely will have more career AS appearances than Anthony. Carmelo won Olympic Gold. Ok, Derrick won Gold at the World Championships. And in all likelihood will be on the next Olympic team.

    And Derrick has done about as much in the playoffs as Carmelo ever has. In fact, Carmelo's career playoff numbers are nearly identical to his regular season numbers (ppg is actually slightly down for playoffs). D-Rose? Pts/Reb/Assists higher in playoffs across the board so far.

    And who cares what Melo did in college or before the NBA? Rose won 2 state titles in HS, made it to the title game in his tourney appearance, and was drafted no. 1 overall. Is that not 'elite'?

    Sounds like we have Batman on our team already (to use your infantile analogy).

    And FYI - bringing up stats such as 'total steals' is the dumbest barometer I've ever seen used in an argument for acquiring Carmelo versus keeping Deng. He had 88 last year. 189 led the league. Meaning he had less than half the leader. And Deng had 66. So that means Carmelo averaged literally .3 more per game. So basically, 1 more steal than Deng every 3 games. Whoooaaaa! Make the deal, make the deal before Denver figures this one out!

    Idiot.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    As Doug mentioned, Rose didn't seem to have that "alpha dog" mentality his first 2 seasons. He showed that he could dominate whenever he wanted to. He just didn't seem to want to all of the time. That was true of him during his 1 season at Memphis, too.

    But if Rose stays in that attack mode, where he scores 25+ points, dishes 8 or more dimes with a low turnover total (3 or less) while staying within the concept of team, he will be elite. He's shown he can do it. He just hasn't done it consistently enough to be mentioned alongside top PG's like Derron Williams, Chris Paul, and Steve Nash, and to a slightly lesser degree, Chancy Billups.

    Rose is probably the first player I've ever seen whose skill level seemed way higher than his level of aggressiveness. With most players it's the other way around. Even as soft spoken and laid back Tim Duncan appears he attacks consistently when he's healthy. Rose on the other hand seemed content to just run the offense and then take over when the team was in trouble.

    That has to change. Whether it's with his passing, scoring, or improved defense (preferably all of the above), Rose has to put constant pressure on the other team. He has the tools to do it, and if he does, he'll be an elite player and the Bulls will be that much closer to being an elite team.

  • Ok, Having Carmelo on the Bulls does not mean that he will get all of the shots. If Rose is ready to be an elite guard then he would find a way to play with Melo. Great point guards in the history of the NBA that has won championships always had a player that could compliment his game. Carmelo while in Denver has to put up the shots that he does cause they really don't have a go to guy and the system that he's in is not a good one and he plays with a bunch of nut jobs, plus he has been a true scorer since college so you people that don't want Melo on this team just do not get it. Rose cannot do it alone. No elite point guard has been able to do everything on his own. If Rose wants to be great he will learn to become a true point guard and compliment other great players not just try to do everything his self. Everyone knows this team is still missing another scorer rather it be true shooting guard that can get 15 to 20 points a game or a consistent small forward, hopefully Deng will turn into the player that his contract suggests cause it's been 7 years since he came to the Bulls and he has really only had 1 consistent year. If he turn into an all star then I am all in to keep him. Lets just see how he performs against the elite teams to see exactly where he is truly at... is he for real or a pretender??? Carmelo has been for real since college where he led a team as a freshman to a championship, what has Deng done???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    I can't believe how NAIVE some Bulls' fans are.

    They must be drunk from all the Deng, Johnson and Rose cool-aid.

    Unbelievable.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Alright MrHappy, since you seem to be the the goddamn reincarnation of Einstein, why dont you tell everybody WHY Melo is "Elite"? Id love to hear about his 26 ppg on average percentages and terrible shot selection and total lack of any other part of his game besides scoring. God hes so ELITE.

    I can't believe how NAIVE some people are.
    They must be drunk from all the ESPN said Melo was elite 3 years ago cool-aid. They said it so its gotta be true right?

    LMFAO

  • In reply to Tetlak:

    Tetlak,

    Let's see...

    - NCAA title as a freshman
    - MOP of the Final Four
    - Multiple time All-Star
    - Multiple selection to the ALL-NBA team
    - Top 5 scorer in the NBA multiple times
    - Had 90+ steals in a season two times and 88 two more times.
    - Has made over a DOZEN game-winning shots in his NBA career.
    - Won a Gold medal at the Olympics for Team USA
    - Has a $65 million dollar extention on the table.
    - Several teams want to acquire him via trade, including the Bulls.

    Need I say more? Carmelo Anthony is an ELITE player in the NBA.

    GET A F*CKIN CLUE people.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I know what you are saying Happy, I don't understand why some people think this Bulls team now will be able to contend for a championship with some of the flaws that this team has. I just know that it has been 12 years since the Bulls contended for a championship and I for 1 am tired of all of the ok players that the Bulls have had. A legit all star is available, he wants to be traded and some people don't want him on the Bulls because of an all star point guard. Like I said... he can't do it alone, he will need another consistent scorer on the floor from the perimeter and hopefully Deng turns into that, but as we all have seen this guy is too inconsistent or injury prone. Lets hope they put together an impressive season and effort for the next five years ( MIAMI )and longer cause the east has gotten that much better.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    It is absurd to say you don't want Melo, but its not absurd to say Melo is a necessity that is worth giving up half the team for.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    Pardon me I meant, it is also absurd to say melo is a necessity that is worth giving up half the team for.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    chicagosports,

    A half a team constitutes 6 players.

    The Bulls would only have to give up 3.

    Wake up.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    That is just your opinion, & obviously most professional GMs don't agree with your opinion

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    For some reason, most of the Bulls' fans on here are HAPPY with a Division title. You and I, on the otherhand, have our priorities in order. It's all about winning the NBA CHAMPIONSHIP.

    Melo > Deng

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So how is it that Portland traded Bayless for a first round pick? Why didn't we do that?

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    Either Portland doesn't want to help the Bulls or the Bulls brass isn't doing something right namely a trade for Melo.

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    "given that LeBron had his mind made up long before free agency started"

    Is that so?

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    yes it is, Bosh pretty much admitted as much

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    Reesel,

    How on earth are certain Bulls' fans on here saying that Deng is a better fit or player than Melo? Or that the Bulls' don't need Melo? That'a is absolutely ABSURD.

    The Bulls are NOT title contenders.

    You know that and I know that. When will everyone else figure that out?

    The way most of the Bulls' fans on here are CONTENT and SATISFIED with just being a playoff team or a possible division winner makes me sick.

    Doesn't anybody, besides you and me, want this team to be champions again? Doesn't anybody, besides you and me, want to shove it in LBJ's, DWADE's and CBOSH's face? Doesn't anybody, beside you and me, want to see the Bulls stop KOBE and PHIL from their second 3-peat?

    Where are the true Bulls' fans at? Sadly, they don't exist too much on this blog.

    WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP IS ALL THAT MATTERS....WAKE UP BULLS' FANS!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    All I can say Happy is I want this Bulls team to do well if they aren't going to make a big trade but Like You, I do want the Bulls to trade for Melo cause I am tired of mediocrity and I guess the only way people will understand what we are saying is to watch this team against the elite teams in the league beat up on the them and everyone will be asking what will it take to compete with these teams. I only hope that it wont be too late when Melo is with another team.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Deng is a better fit with the current team and system. Deng is not a better player than Melo. If the Bulls can ADD Melo without giving up most of our assets, Melo will contribute.

    We are not content and we are not satisfied; we also are not in charge of the payroll.

    I would love for the Bulls to win the Championship, but I don't think it's possible until they go over the luxury tax. It costs money to win the championship. When was the last time a small market team won a Championship under the luxury tax (I'm only asking from teams from late 80s and later)?

  • In reply to rnohria310:

    Portland seems to want keep on building and building and building ....for ever. I don't know why they need another rookie unless they will trade for a veteran. They are collecting a bunch of average players and just above average players and some injury ridden potential superstars.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    No, we're drunk on the Thibodeau kool-aid....OHH YEAH!!!!

    The one thing that is clicking in midseason form is the unselfishness, ball movement, & passing. Why would you want to mess that all up by bringing in an over-rated, selfish, ball stopping chucker who plays no defense? This isn't fantasy basketball.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ChiRy,

    The NCAA is a coaches league. The NBA is a players league.

    The Bulls don't have the players to truly contend for an NBA championship.

    Sorry to spoil your buzz from the Thibodeau cool-aid.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    ChiRy,

    And this Melo is a chucker talk is BULLSHIT.

    Melo averaged 9 FT attempts per game last season. Deng, on the otherhand, only averaged 4 FT attempts per game.

    Who is the chucker? It's not Melo. He's taking the ball hard to the basket, which Deng should be doing.

    GET A CLUE!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The Lakers didn't win it's 3 peat championships (2000-2002) with Shaq and Kobe until Phil Jackson became their coach.

    Greg Popovich has a disciplined system in San Antonio. Boston has a discplined system when Coach Thibs was their assistant.

    D Wade won the title for Miami but he was playing against Dirk. When Detroit beat the Lakers, Detroit was in sync and they had a better chemistry.

    There's a lot of talented and elite players that hasn't won a championship yet. It seems that the same big market teams that has a high payroll with players and coaches contend every year...

  • I think rose will b the alpha dog just not yet tho. He has the skills. Sometimes it kills me to c him pass the ball when he should b the one scoring. I know he's a pg and he needs to set his teammates up but at times when were losing and we really need to score he passes. The harder he works the better he will be but he needs to establish himself as an elite player because it won't fall on his lap. If we ever get melo he will only take away from rose's development as an elite player because he would have to play second fiddle to him

  • Reese
    You seem to be forgetting that we have boozer and once he comes back rose doesn't really have to do it all by himself

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    No, I didn't forget about Boozer. He will help out in the post and hopefully he can still hit a 15 to 20 foot jumper with a inside out attack at times. The Bulls if Deng does not step up against the better teams in the league will still be hurting at the perimeter. I hope everything does fall into place and the perimeter scorers will do a good job. Not just this season but for some years to come.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    allstar,

    You are drinking too much cool-aid.

    The Bulls can't match-up with the ELITE teams in the NBA as is.

    The point of pro sports isn't to win your Division, but to win the CHAMPIONSHIP.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They might be able to, but they don't even have to this year. Have a little patience & enjoy this team. Their best player is 22, this isn't a make-or-break year

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    ChiRy,

    F*ck patience. I the Bulls to win it all right now.

    Every Bulls' fans should feel that way too.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    And while Rose is at it, he might want to learn how to play better defense.

    I'm not hating on Rose, only giving him some tough love.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Like I said Happy, some people don't want to see the flaws that this team and some of its players have. I do want them to have a good season though. It would be better if they were to make a big trade IMO.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And Melo would solve all of our flaws even though he cannot play shooting guard, and is a ball stopping ball hog in the Ben Gordon mode, who also is not reknowned for playing defense.

    Since most of you guys on this site are stat geeks, you should check out Melo's advanced stats, the only elite stat he has is PPG, everything else is average or below average.

    If Deng becomes a 20+ ppg game then we don't need Melo, especially with a healthy Boozer and an ascendant Derrick Rose. And I am not a Deng lover, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that the biggest problem with his game the past 2 years was playing for Del Bimbo.

    YOu guys are making these judgements without having scene Boozer play one single minute as a Bull. Melo is basically Boozer at the small forward spot without the rebounding. So why not wait and see what happens when Boozer comes back.

    Again, the day that we get Melo for Deng and stuff, I will nominate Mappy for the Hall of Fame, not saying which one, but...

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    You are just hating on Melo.

    For a guy who you say can't play defense, he had 88 steals last year.

    How many did Luol Deng have? 66. Melo isn't a bad defender.

    That's a myth.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bigway,

    Furthermore, your name calling just shows your IMMATURITY.

    I can't help if you are NAIVE when it comes to basketball.

    Deng is not better than Melo...GET A F*CKING CLUE!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I don't see Luol Deng taking over games. Nor do I see him hitting any game-winning shots.

    Melo on the other averaged 6.5 rebounds last year, 7+ in the pre-season and throughout his career has hit over a DOZEN game-winning shots.

    There's a reason why he's on the All-NBA team and Deng is not.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'm not sure if I want Luol Deng taking over games and hitting any game-winning shots; that role is reserved to D Rose our franchise player.

    It'll be interesting to see Carmelo a Bull because Derrick clearly wants the Bulls to be his team and not give it up to another player that gets traded to his team. All I know is watching Derrick defer to Billups and Durant during the World Championships irritated me as a Rose fan because he wasn't taking advantage of his skills.

    It's unfair to compare Deng to Melo because Deng is not our franchise player; Deng is like our 3rd scoring option. Now if you replace Deng with Melo, how will you incorporate Melo in our offense? Would you prefer for Melo to dominate the ball and have our players just stand around while Melo hogs the ball? I haven't watched a lot of Melo games but my impression of him is a ball stopper.

    Does Carmelo need the ball to be effective? Can he be productive without dominating the Ball? Will Carmelo's offense be based on post ups or jumpers? I'm just not sure where Melo fits in if Rose is supposed to dominate the Ball.

    I'm not a fan of Rose as an off the ball player because he sometimes just stands around. When CJ Watson plays alongside Rose, I haven't really seen Derrick score a lot playing the 2 guard spot. I've seen Derrick more efficient when someone sets him a pick up top (Vinny Del Negro offense - high pick and roll) and Derrick attacks the basket for his layups/floaters/dunks; meaning Derrick is better creating his own shots than someone creating shots for Derrick.

    I like the make up of the team without Melo because everyone has a role to play in the offense. It sucks that Boozer is injured during the preseason because I'm interested to see how they space the floor with Noah, Boozer, Deng, and Rose. Rose and Boozer can run the pick and roll while Noah/Asik cleans up the glass and we have Deng cutting and also taking 3 pt shots. It'll be exciting to watch Noah and Boozer in the lineup together because both are good passing big men. Noah can even play the low post and draw the 5 out while Boozer plays low post; so many possibilities with our rotations.

    Incorporating Melo in this team with a new system and new players I think is a recipe for disaster. If Melo would join the Bulls next season, I think it'll be better for the Bulls than joining them this season because we can atleast have Coach Thib's system down pat and draft a player that will fit our needs and system with Carmelo.

    My point is, I want to see how good our team will be under Coach Thibs with Deng and Boozer this year. Deng might explode and Melo might look crappy this year playing in Denver. We can't assume how good or bad the current Bulls team will be without playing a single game yet.

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    In reply to Reese1:

    Finally a chance to drop these #s. Last year, Derrick averaged 20.8 pts and 6 assists a game but these numbers are very misleading. I think Derrick has a chance to put up 24 and 8 this year. Here's why.
    In the 2nd half of the 09 season including the playoffs he actually averaged 23.67 points per game (minus two very unfortunate showings in Orlando). With the help he has around him he's got a chance at 8 assists a game. Look at another of his quotes. Korver's 5 assists right there haha.
    And Thibs wants him to start rebounding to start the break so his rebounds should be up too. But 24 pts, 8 assists. What does that get you? First it gets you a guy who is a threat to put up 40 any given night which will be necessary especially with boozer out. But more importantly 24/8 are Oscar Robertson numbers. Only 9 players in NBA history have ever done it. MJ once. Wilt once. Gary Payton once. And Oscar practically every season.
    That's the level I really think Derrick can reach this year. Scoffers? Bandwagoneers? What's up?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    THE TRUTH:

    If Derrick Rose wants to be ELITE, he has to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS.

    To win championships he needs help. He needs CARMELO ANTHONY.

    We are going to find out how bad Derrick Rose wants to win and be elite.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28ew5df

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So we'll know that DRose wants to be elite if Melo gets traded to Chicago? What the hell does that have to do with what Rose wants? He doesn't make the trades, and unlike Lebron in Cleveland, DROSE doesn't run the damn team.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    chicagosports,

    DROSE has a choice.

    He can be SELFISH and think he's an ELITE player that can win it all by himself. Or he can recruit MELO to Chicago and become an NBA champion.

    Make no mistake about it, DWADE recruiting LBJ and CBOSH.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    chicagosports,

    And why did DWADE recruit those two guys?

    Because he wants to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS and he knows he can't win more championships by himself.

    Rose should follow Wade's lead.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So if Derrick wants to be an elite player he has to win championships ...yet u call Carmelo an elite player n he's never won any championships.....why is that? Sounds a lil hypocritical ....I'm all for melo believe me... but the whole in order to be elite, u have to win championships concept threw me off...

  • In reply to flyjr1988:

    BaY,

    Last I check, Melo won an NCAA title and a Gold Medal.

    He's also been to the All-Star game multiple times and been on the All-NBA team.

    He's ELITE.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    We need to stick together and enlighten the other Bulls' fans on here.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yeah I agree cause I'm tired of the OK players that the Bulls have had over the years. it's been 12 years, how much longer do we have to wait to contend for the hardware again???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    IF MELO IS SO DAMN GOOD WHY HAS HE BARELY MADE IT PAST THE 1ST ROUND AFTER PLAYING FOR 7 YEARS!!!!!! My God! You guys have no clue!

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Maybe it's the system he is playing in, maybe it's the team that he plays for, and I know it is the used to be tough western conference. It's not about having a clue it's about trying to win a championship. If you guys think having Deng and the team as constructed will bring the Bulls a championship, good luck with those hopes and dreams.till pull for them though.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I meant to say I will still pull for this Bulls team. I hope all you Melo nay sayers are right.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    We will not be ready to contend for a championship unless Reinsdorf goes over the luxury tax to build around our core players of Rose, Noah, Boozer. We should always try to add players to make the TEAM better and not gut the team just so we can stay under the tax every year. Adding Melo while keeping our current players will bring us closer to being a contender, but adding Melo and getting rid of contributing players so we can stay under the tax will not bring us closer to being a contender.

    If we want to be a contender, Reinsdorf just has to go over the tax to do it so we can have a better team with depth and talent.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You aren't hating on Rose? Had me fooled. Why don't you step back and reinvest your mind in some reality. DRose had more ppg than ANY point guard last year. He IS an elite point guard. Can he get better? Yes. Will he get better? Yes. The kid is 22 years old, and he's made strides thus far. Him getting to the FT line more often is a function of how long he has been in the league so YES he'll get more attempts, this is a fact that my 4 year old son can deduce from watching the NBA. Rose is working his ass off to become a better defender. Coach K was impressed with his progression on the defensive end at the World's and now we have a defensive mastermind at the helm. Defense is something that is learned in the NBA, and defensive success is mostly dependent on three things... GIVING A SHIT, having athletic ability, and being WILLING TO LEARN. Derrick respectively DOES and IS all those things.

    Your constant proclamations that the Bulls should do this or that because they aren't the best team in the league right now is ridiculous. You construct your team over years, not over night. Carmelo was on a team where him and Allen Iverson were the top 2 scorers in the league at one point, yet they still were unable to get to the finals. Melo is a great player, but he is no savior. And the best thing to do is make the deal for the right price. You don't just make an offer for a house expecting the owner to take that first offer. You lowball and work your way up. It's smart business.

    I agree people are ridiculous to say were better off without Melo for Rose's progression, but the thruth is Deng is better than Melo at a lot of things, and Deng does a lot in the areas where Melo does a ton. And Deng does a lot in areas that Melo does little. So sure ship Deng off for Melo, but what else do we give up? A potential lottery pick and another first rounder? And Taj Gibson? I really don't know that the Bulls are a better team at that point. And the fact that you are so sure we would be, might be a clue for you to step back and reassess. I think your basketball hardon for Melo has clouded your judgement.

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    Disclaimer: I like Melo and I want him on the Bulls.
    But that said, Melo has other shooters around him whether they are nut jobs or not...JR Smith can shoot, Billups can shoot, Affalo can shoot.
    He could have been a LBJ like drawing up double teams and setting the other guys up. MJ had to shoot because Pippen wasn't a great shooter and he set up guys like Kerr, Paxson. An elite player would do all that and Melo doesn't do that. It is a tough concept for a player who thinks he is elite and is still in his prime to play a secondary role to a player who is in his 3rd year like Rose. There has been no instance like that. LBJ/Wade came out in the same year. Melo can go to NY because Amare is his elder in terms of NBA life. Boozer can come to the Bulls because he knows he is not Malone level and he needs an alpha dog like DWill or Rose.

    What I worry about Rose is he grew up watching MJ and he is playing from the Bulls. His mentality might be a little bit bravado than reality. I am not saying he will not become an elite player but we just have to wait and see for another 2/3 years. How he develops/improves on his weaknesses(killer instinct, 3 pt shots, going to the line, court vision, challenging his teammates etc..) will write the future story..

  • In reply to Maxima23:

    allstar23,

    And Miami has LBJ, WADE and BOSH.

    And Boston has Rondo, Piere, Allen, Garnett and Shaq.

    And Orlando has Nelson, Carter, Lewis and Howard.

    The Bulls can't compete with those teams for the title. They don't have the players.

    Melo would put the Bulls on their level.

  • FYI:

    If Derrick Rose wants to be an ELITE PG, than he better get to the FT-line more often.

    All the great PG's, present and past, get their quite a bit.

  • Mitchell,

    Actually, I'm addicted to WINNERS and WINNING.

    Unlike some of the Bulls' fans on here, who like rooting for MEDIOCRITY.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Question is... does this team the way the roster is now have the right players to contend for a championship???

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm going to assume no, but we don't know how close we are until the end of this season. We may even surprise a lot of teams out there, but we will never know this until the end of the season.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We don't like rooting for mediocrity. We root for the team that Reinsdorf is willing to have in his payroll. We could be contenders every year if Reinsdorf is willing to pay and invest in the team.

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