Bulls / Blazers still working on Rudy trade?

Per hoopsworld:

Meanwhile, the Chicago Bulls are continuing their weeks-long pursuit of Fernandez, and do
have a first round pick to offer. The Bulls were rumored to be offering
James Johnson and a pick back in August, but nothing ever came of that
deal. Johnson, a second-year pro out of Wake Forest, would add
additional depth at the four spot for Portland. The Blazers, you'll
recall, signed restricted free agent Paul Millsap to an offer sheet last
summer, only to see it matched by the Utah Jazz. The Blazers added Jeff
Pendergraph last season,  but would like to have another young prospect
at the four behind starter LaMarcus Aldridge.

The closer we get to training camp the less likely it seems that
Fernandez will be in a Blazers uniform when he returns from playing
overseas. Chicago looks like the early favorite, but the Blazers will
likely wait until the last minute to make sure no other suitors step
into the conversation.

James Johnson and a 1st makes a lot of sense for the Bulls, does it make sense for Portland?   I think it does.   It gives them a pick and a prospect, and if they don't like Johnson, then they can just take the pick because we have cap room.

My guess, like always, is that the Blazers are holding out for the Charlotte 1st while the Bulls are only offering their first.  I wouldn't trade the Charlotte 1st for Rudy either, not unless we have our own lotto protection on it.

Still, the Bulls haven't signed a 13th man, so it makes a good deal of sense that they are holding out working for a trade with their cap room that allows them to make an additional signing.  While this rumor has popped up and down repeatedly, it makes a bit more sense now.

New York doesn't have the pick to trade, Boston just signed Delonte West which likely ends their pursuit.  I'm not sure what other teams have really expressed interest.

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  • I don't think the Bulls should not trade the Charlotte pick. Is this how it will work? Say, the Bulls put a top-15 lock on it ...and it ends up being the 16-18 pick...that helps Portland a lot. If we don't trade it to Portland, it might end up being a lottery pick(where we can get a Joakim Noah type pick or some one good in a deep draft) to complement Rose even if it's not a top 5 pick or we can use it to get to seal the deal for another trade for a bigger star like Melo..

  • At this point I say pass, dont give up anything, look at all the negativity surrounding him.

  • Portland's management are just being A-holes cause they want to always have the upper edge on a trade with any team. Bulls should keep the Bobcats pick and if the Blazers don't want the Bulls pick then they should move on and forget(I really mean F##k Portland). I tried to clean it up a bit but It's hard to do when the Bulls are dealing with complete A-holes.

  • Why do you give up ANYTHING for a guy who clearly doesn't want to be here ... or anywhere in the NBA?

    Rudy might be a nice addition to the team ... IF he actually was going to play.
    If he really doesn't want to play in the NBA, he's barely worth a 2nd round pick for a team that wants to risk it.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    I imagine if a trade were agreed to, the Bulls would want to meet with him/his people to make sure he wouldn't be an issue. If they make it clear that they plan on using him correctly (not just minutes, which he got in POR, but playing him in a role that utilizes his skill set), maybe he gets on board. We can definitely use him. He's a better defender than Korver, better shooter than Brewer, and probably better suited to handle the ball than either of them.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    I think Rudy F.. is interested in staying in the NBA. To be fair to him, he just wants to play and he doesn't have much of a chance behind Roy. He has a playing life of another 7-10 years. He probably wants to be known as a better player by the end of his career and obviously make some cash. And this news about him has made him look really bad and his value is low. The truth is somewhere in between. If the Bulls have a chance, it is now. If we had tried say last year...Portland probably would have asked for Rose or Noah to trade Rudy..
    Portland also may have other options like using him in a trade for someone like a Chris Paul, Melo(if they are even available for a trade)..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5475298

    I don't care if this was just a joke, or a ploy to get the Blazers to trade him ... it can't just be ignored.
    There's a reasonably large chance that he really doesn't want to be here.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Sometimes pedigree alters people's perception not just in the NBA, but in all elite/intense scrutiny walks of life.

    Rudy Fernandez: International(man of msytery) sensation.. ? What if he's just some white guy out of Duke or for that matter some black guy out of Duke/simply an American.

    Hmm. Let's see. Had one season where he launched 400 threes and shot 40%. Good rebounder? No. Good defender? No. Playmaker/guy who can get to the rack regulalry and score? Not so much.

    The guy is a shooting specialist who will make the ocassioanl drive to the basket when there's an opening. In his second year he shot 38% from the field and 36.8 from three. The one thing is like Korver he's shot well from the three point line in the playoffs. At least that's what his stats show on CBSsports.com.

    Really, he looks like just another Korver with possibly a little more upside when it comes to driving to the basket/creating. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with signing him except his noise about leaving the NBA and playing time sounds like someone we should avoid. I'd have to pass on him.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    One other note/off topic: has anyone been watching much of the USA/FIBA games with Derrick Rose?

    I've been watching DVR'd segments when he's been playing, and I'd have to say I'm not overly impressed. Of course FIBA rules suck as these big no talent clods can just hang out in the lane for an eternity, and bascially driving with the attention Rose draws just means bumping into multiple bigs like a pinball in the lane.

    Aside from the no calls he should have had a few times/sucky refs, I'd have to say Derrick looked good early on. At times, if not for being taken out of games when his momentum was building, he was starting to go off.

    But more and more lately he's just looked lost at times, and either turned the ball over or way overly relied on that one handed hook/shot put/floater he shoots in the post over bigs. That's a nice signature shot for him once in a while, but not a staple. His mid range jumper to me especially late in games has been excellent, but completely abandoned here.

    I realize that if Derrick wouldn't have had to come out of games just when he's really heating up, or was playing with the same guys instead of a constant lineup shuffle things might be different. Still, it makes you wonder a little bit about Rose because true superstars overcome all these obstacles.

    Still, there are more games left to play. Hopefully he will shine. And much of the 'plays' they've been running just absolutely suck. But for the love of god someone please tell D-Rose to quit already with the pull up one handers already and either attack the basket, and draw contact/dunk etc. or pull up for the mid range shot which has been such a lethal part of his game, but has been neglected to non-existence in this largely one on one, terrible offense the USA has been running. People can say this FIBA basketball is irrelevant, but since Derrick is making the investment I really hope he finds a way to come through.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I have watched all the games (Rose) too. He has been spotty as you have mentioned and frankly his D hasn't overly impressed me as well. It seems like every 3 the other team makes in the 1st Q is his man. I think alot of his issue is deferring to everyone else and probably the offensive plays themselves. I can understand why they are running so much for Durant but it seems that Gordon is finding a way to go off when he gets in and even Westbrook is attacking more than Rose seems to be. Coach K certainly looks to have a lot of confidence in Rose though and played him big minutes in the closer games. This weeks games will be interesting.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    I have tried to watch Rose as much as I can and I agree that his play looks really average. Chris Sheridan(someone who thought Tony Douglas was a better sell for LeBron than Rose) thinks Rose will need to be replaced by Gordon. Maybe Rose is a little exhausted from all his summer stuff plus going to a foreign country and playing at a high level for weeks is not easy for a 21 year old. But that said, we will know a little better this week with the KO round and the players having some rest.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Before any trade goes down, Bulls need to get assurance from Rudy and his team that he will cut his hair immediately. It's a deal breaker. It is not 1995, Rudy.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    why so much for a guy who acts like this? so we can go threw it when his contract is up..

    anthony parker
    nick young
    & brandon rush are just as good of choices..they all fit cap wise they all 6'6.. they all are 40 % 3 point shooters 2 are young and one is experienced.. rudy isnt the best option .. we should be looking at indiana,washington and cleveland..

    in this order

    rush
    parker
    young
    rudy

    we shouldnt be giving up any 1st and a player..even if jj is a bum..rudy isnt even the 3rd or 4th best player on a international team so the brandon roy excuse doesnt work..

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I have been saying this for the longest but everyone seems to be so gung ho on this guy. If he only wants to play out his contract and then go back to Spain then let someone else have him and don't waste draft picks on him. The guy can play but he is not all that. Again, if the Bulls want this guy make him sign a longer extension and make sure he really wants to be with the Bulls and in the league.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    i'm not worried. people are right. fiba hoops is irrelevant. rose has progressed rapidly in his young career. the bulls will end up being the 3rd best team in the east this year behind miami and orlando. that's a big step forward and it's all any of use should expect.

  • Doug is there any chance if this falls threw, that the Bulls would just add Matt Bouldin from Gonzaga and their summer league team? He seems like a good sign, can play 1 and 2 can shoot it a little bit.

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    In reply to ozzyk230:

    At this point I'd take a project like Bouldin over Fernandez. But Bouldin's not quite ready for the nba. John Lucas III is though, they really should give him a shot. The only possible knock I can see on Lucas is his height, maybe a concern that he can't get his shot off in the nba.

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    In reply to ozzyk230:

    The Bulls pretty much have the pieces they need. I think if they bring Rudy in it's more stocking up on players to make a variety moves at the midseason deadline.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    Its funny, on the NBA 2k9 game I got 2 years ago, I started a dynasty & traded for Rudy. I played 2-3 years into it, and that little turd started wreaking havoc on my team chemistry, complaining about minutes & his role, about money, everything. I had to trade the turd away. I didn't know it at the time, but it was really true to life I guess.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    I'd keep our pick, keep James Johnson for now. Maybe later try to deal him for a pick. I'd use the Oklahoma model & aquire multiple picks, enve late in the 1st, early 2nd. I'd target guys other team might like, then trade them to those teams for more future 1s, just like OKC did with drafting Bledsoe & trading him to the Clippers (probably a lottery pick). I'd keep snowballing picks, and buying more too, packaging them for higher picks, all with an eye towards a strong draft, or when we could get the Charlotte pick. Take my chance trying to strike gold in the lottery in 5 years by doing that. Then by Boozer's decline we could have another potential star to replace him. Its not like we need more rookies in the next couple of years. Hey, it worked in the aformentioned NBA 2k9 dynasty I had *)

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    I wouldn't give too much credence to Rudy's threats to leave the NBA. Its the agent/Rudy doing anything they can to get out of Portland. The relationship is broken and we are simply watching it play out. Often times there needs to be a bad situation for a good player to be traded for a reasonable price, so perhaps the acrimony should be viewed as an opportunity. But I do agree Bulls should perform their due diligence to learn if Rudy's enthusiastic about playing in Chicago - and of course they will.

    I wouldn't even consider the Charlotte pick, but for the Bulls own pick I would make this trade. And whether Johnson is included may not matter much for Bulls as I don't see him getting much playing time this year.

    Rudy is not THE MAN or even the final answer at SG, but its going to be very difficult for Bulls to add a true stud at SG - like Jason Richardson for example. Rudy's salary is cheap so there's little risk. Bulls really do need another offensive weapon and 3pt threat at the wing, and for whatever its worth Rudy seems to be playing pretty well in the World Championship.

    Also, Carmelo is not likely, haha.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    As further evidence that Bulls will walk away from a Rudy trade if Portland demands too much - Bulls have invited John Lucas III to training camp with the possibility of a partially guaranteed contract. Lucas is not a SG, but a PG who can shoot.

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    In reply to Edward:

    Doug says he doesn't think John Lucas III will develop past d league skills but I disagree and evidently so does the front office. He's a pure pg, which would be a nice addition to a team with 2 scoring points, but he also has a beautiful stroke from 3 if he can get open against nba D. Lucas is the kind of guy that I have a feeling if we don't sign him he's gonna get signed by some other club and punish the bulls everytime they play.

  • Of all the new additions, Boozer is the only guy who is proven to make shots and Korver is kind of reliable but he is completely dependent on others. I don't trust CJ Watson, Bogans, Brewer to create a lot of offense against good starters in clutch time. After seeing how much the Bulls struggled last year, we need this kind of guy. You are spot on about his skill set. He is almost a perfect fit for the Bulls(if his Europe plans are not true) because he is young, fit for this position and can grow with Rose. He is a poor man's Joe Johnson in a way with a super contract compared to Joe.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I agree with your comments on Rudy being a good fit, as well as Boozer being the only clutch player we have added. Watson, Bogans, and Brewer are not the crunch time players, but there were not brought here to be. Bogans and Brewer are more for their defense an CJ is the back up point. Why should we expect them to bring offense against starters in the crunch? We wouldn't

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Does Anyone else think that maybe getting rid of James Johnson so early may a bad move? I understand that we need a consistent and athletic shooting guard who can shoot the three

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I don't know if anyone else posted this yet, but I just read on NBA-TV that the Bulls have invited Lucas III to camp with a partially guaranteed contract.

  • The reports I've read are that guys blow by him in the NBA when they want to i.e overrated/not a "good" defender. I said he has more ability driving then a Korver, but I'm not itnerested in guys who say they want to leave the NBA. He played 23 minutes a game last year, and his numbers sucked. If he weren't bithcing so much, and saying he wanted to leave the NBA I'd say fine. But performing so poorly, and he could have made his point about being traded without going so over the top. If he tells the Bulls he'll be happy with 23-25 minutes, and does want to stay in the NBA then I'd say OK. You took my comments out of context a bit there.

  • Gordon has been really inconsistent. He's had some pretty bad games in the tourney as well. I think it's funny how he breaks out in a garbage game when we already have our position locked up and all of a sudden he needs to start. Sheridan's a ****tard. Rose looks like he's playing like he's unsure of his role. He just needs to attack more. Plus....he's been pretty clutch for us so far.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Thought he had a bad TO in the last few minutes of the tight game against Brazil.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    Yeah...but he also hit some shots against Spain. He seems like he doesn't know what he should be doing. It's frustrating, but I would still start him over Gordon 10 times out of 10.

  • In reply to UnstopaBull:

    My sense is that everyone is kind of down on the prospect of getting Rudy because both Rudy and Portland are acting pretty duchebaggy.

    However, the minute that we do indeed trade for Rudy, I expect everbody will be doing cartwheels.

  • I like the idea of Fernandez playing next to D. Rose. I don't worry too much about him saying he's going back to Europe. And I don't think The Bulls FO are either. I'm thinking the only reason why Fernandez is not a Bulls already is because of the Portland FO and them trying to get more back than what Fernandez is worth right now.

  • In reply to logikal77:

    I'm inclined to agree with logikal and Mitchell. I'd like to see the Bulls make this happen.

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