Anthony lists teams he'll play for, sort of.

So it's Chicago or New York, unless it's NJ or Houston?

Carmelo Anthony's wish list starts with the New York Knicks, but that's not the only trade destination he's targeting.

Sources briefed on the state of Anthony's ongoing push to be dealt by the Denver Nuggets told ESPN.com on Tuesday that the Chicago Bulls
are a firm 1A on his list. This is partly attributed to the fact that
the Bulls are much closer to assembling the sort of package Denver would
want in return for its franchise player than the Knicks.

Over the
last 72 hours, sources said, Anthony's representatives -- headed by
agent Leon Rose -- have been ramping up the pressure on the Nuggets to
complete a deal with the Knicks or the Bulls before training camps open
leaguewide next week.

....

Yet sources say that the message from Anthony's camp to the Nuggets has
stayed consistent: New York and Chicago are the preferred landing spots,
with New Jersey and Houston also still in the conversation.

Carmelo's order of preference here is irrelevant.   If he'll sign an extension with NJ or Houston then how he feels about them vs NY or Chicago simply doesn't matter.   Once you are on the list, your placement on the list is dependent on what you can give up in a trade package.

I'm not sure if Stein and Ford continue to gloss over this point, or whether there is just gray area on whether or not NJ/Houston are actually on the list. 

I also fail to believe that Joakim Noah and Luol Deng trump NJ's offer of Favors and draft picks.   If I was running a team it sure wouldn't.  In this sense, the Bulls are smart in keeping Noah out of the deal.  Even with him in the deal they won't beat NJ, but by keeping him out, if Carmelo refuses to sign an extension with NJ then he's not in the discussion for the next round where they can win without him in the deal perhaps.

The thing is, including Noah makes little sense for anyone.  Joakim Noah isn't a player you rebuild with.  He's a player you win with, however, he's also not the type of guy who can be the primary piece, which Denver would lack.   He'd have a huge contract and wouldn't really help them all that much, while the lack of having him would kill Chicago.  

Overall, I'll say the same thing I've always said.   Chicago has no chance if Melo is willing to sign in NJ, and they are probably only break even odds otherwise.   Despite what Melo wants, unless he has an additional hammer to hold over the Nuggets, the Nuggets have to take this thing to the trade deadline.

At the trade deadline, they will know how healthy Deng, Noah, and Gibson are and whether they're playing at a high level.   At the deadline they'll have some incite into whether Derrick Favors is a bust or not, and they'll have a clue whether Anthony Randolph and Danilo Galinari have any shot at developing into legitimate desirable players.

The offers aren't likely to change at the deadline, but what they view as the best offer easily could.   The only way Melo gets this done earlier, IMO, is if he flat out tells Denver, "these are my choices now, but if you wait until the deadline, I will limit the list even more", however in that case the teams likely to be taken off the list are NJ/Houston not NY/Chicago.

That means if he uses that leverage, the only reason the Nuggets push a trade now is if they like the NJ/Houston package and not the Chicago package which they are still best off waiting and seeing on, and neither the Bulls or Melo are likely to change their mind about each other in the next three months.

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  • Chicago or New York...where have I heard that before?...mmm.

    Maybe, business will actually be very good this time.

    Stay tuned.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    At least this time around we KNOW Miami can't afford it.

  • Doug,

    I still can't see Denver trading Melo to a Western Conference team and I don't think Melo wants to be in New Jersey, because they aren't ready to win.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You are partially right. Melo wants to win but the conference doesn't matter. Denver is going to suck anyways and why would they worry if Portland is winning or NY is winning. When you are trading an average star, then maybe you want him out of the conference because he might affect your playoff seeding. But when you are trading your franchise player, they want the best possible players/picks back.
    I agree about NJ though...they suck. I still don't understand the fascination with Lopez and Harris. They could barely win 15 games. Now they will be a part of a championship contender...

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We are all speculating here and won't really know anything until it actually goes down, but with Melo represented by Leon Rose of Creative Artists Agency ANYTHING is possible! It seems this agency GETS THINGS DONE for its clients. They are movers, shakers and players so I wouldn't put any possibility out or reach.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I don't buy the "wait until the deadline" theory. It's too messy to have Melo play until February if he's made it clear he's definitely gone. A trade will happen before game #1 or within the first month of the season.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    After reading some other blogs, a lot of people can not understand why the Bulls Brass does not want to include Noah in a trade for Melo. Is it that some of these executives that stupid or are the Bulls overvaluing Noah? I don't think that they are overvaluing Noah because without Noah, the Bulls will be giving up a lot of rebounding and defense by including Deng and possibly Gibson with Noah in a trade for Carmelo. I'm sorry but I just wouldn't include Noah in the trade. Defense size and Depth wins championships so I say no to Noah.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I have a question for anyone who wants to answer, without a biased answer... out of the teams that are supposedly on Melo's list, which team will give him the chance to compete for a championship right away if he is about winning? If he is about just getting back to the NY area then ok fine let him go, he still will not win a championship.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Chicago w/ Noah isn't a biased answer. It was the same story with Lebron. It just so happens that our team has the best situation for winning now. Everyone knows we are 1 piece away from being elite.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    Yes, Bulls are one piece away from being elite. That piece is an all-star wing to pair with Rose - a true offensive weapon who can create his own shot. Problem is if Bulls trade Noah, then we are weak on the frontline and are still one piece away from being elite - a legitimate center. What do we do than, sign Erick Dampier?

    The only way Bulls truly become elite is a deal that brings Melo and keeps Noah, but how can that be possible?

  • In reply to Edward:

    If Melo really wants to win then he will force his way to Chicago or he can play out the year in Denver, become a free agent and sign out right with N.Y. That wont get him any closer to a championship though.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    RANDOM caps lock, random CAPS lock, look AT me, I have a POINT to MAKE with my RANDOM caps LOCK

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Of the four teams in contention supposedly(NJ, NY, Bulls, Houston)...Chicago gives Melo the best bet with Houston a close second.
    1. Chicago is an elite scorer away from contending. And they have a four/five year window with Boozer in the low post to complement.
    2. Houston has Yao's health but if he is healthy to play 35 min next year, they can contend for a 2/3 years.
    3. NY...Amare is a big question mark in terms of health.
    4. NJ...enough said.
    So, if you consider the talent and the health of the main pieces on these teams, the Bulls stand out. But the point is if Denver accepts the Bulls package.
    Also, the Bulls give the best chance as it stands currently. But NY might have good plans for next year as can NJ, Houston. So, there are more variables than it is black and white as you think.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    NJ and Houston can make as many trades as they wont if either one winds up with Melo, Do you really think that either team with Melo would beat the Heat or the Lakers in a 7 game series... I don't. I know you along with a lot of other people are not trying to get your hopes up about Melo coming to the Bulls which is understandable because I'm not either, but bottom line is "IF" THE BULLS can get extremely lucky and somehow land Carmelo without giving up Noah or Gibson... I would definitely say that the Bulls would be able to beat the Heat in a 7 game series and the Lakers would be another story. And notice I did say "IF". I'm sorry but NJ or Houston do not impress me or do they have championship caliber players and I know a lot of people may say that about the Bulls as well, but the Bulls are a lot closer to winning a championship with the team that they have then NJ or HOUSTON ever will be at this point.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    And I do understand the other variables but NJ or Houston with trades with either one having Carmelo just does not equal championship caliber. I see why Artest left Houston cause he saw it too. And NJ, you're right enough said...

  • In reply to Reese1:

    The one disadvantage Bulls have is they don't have a lot of disposable pieces. Houston has a lot of young pieces and future picks. That's what Denver wants. Same with NJ. So, in terms of a trade package which Denver wants...the Bulls are at a disadvantage. The Bulls are advantageous in terms of providing the best chance to win immediately and also in the future compared to others.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    It still comes down to what Carmelo wants according to his list. He does have some say so in the matter.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    That's the unknown nobody except a few know. Is Carmelo pushing Denver FO as a do or die situation or is just requesting them. And does Denver FO think somehow they can convince him sooner or later. I believe both can be happening. With Denver having new guys in the FO, they might think they can sell him on staying back which Melo can be helping out by not categorically stating that he will not resign.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I believe it's Melo's agent that is really pushing the issue for Denver to trade him and I'm sure Carmelo is behind that as well. I really do think he is pretty much done with Denver and they will try to talk him out of it but the way things are going I'll bet it is pretty much a done deal that he wants to leave Denver. It just amazes me that he would be willing to go to a team that doesn't have a chance to compete for a championship. That would be priority 1 for me because Denver isn't that bad of a team with him willing to stay there. I know NY is home for him but But damn that, I would be trying to go to a team that could get me a ring.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    NY has Amare now. If he is healthy, he can be good for another 3/4 years. I think with their free spending and decent pieces now(Felton, Randolph, Galinari etc..), if they can add Melo now and sign Tony Parker for MLE next year...they are good. Whatever everyone says of D'Antoni's system...he almost won in Phoenix if not for Amare's walk from the bench. And, I am sure he is smart enough to play defense in playoffs....He has a chance to contend in NY as much as in Chi. The mistake Bulls made was not getting a future first pick for Hinrich +Seraphin this year

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Can someone answer this question for me:

    If the Bulls were to get Melo, and trade Noah, do you think that all projections in terms of wins for the Bulls would go up or down?

    The answer is up.

    Do you have a better chance of winning a championship with Noah, Rose and Boozer, or Melo Rose and Boozer.

    The answer is Melo Rose and Boozer.

    Make the trade. Make it today.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    That being said, if we CAN, Im willing to wait until the deadline and see if Denver blinks. They have to realize we have a pretty darn good package to offer them even without Noah.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    That being said, if we CAN, Im willing to wait until the deadline and see if Denver blinks. They have to realize we have a pretty darn good package to offer them even without Noah.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    For those of you questioning why in the world, aside from geographical preference, Melo would make NYC his preference.. remember this. Melo and Chris Paul joked at Melo's wedding about assembiling their own "big three"(god I hate those words), similarly to how Wade, Bosh, and LBJ "joked" about joining forces on the back of the Team USA bus in 2004/2008. Well as we all know now, Lebron and his gang weren't just having a playful circle jerk. Melo does want to win, and he'd prefer to do so with Chris Paul and Amare as his running partners at Madison Square. However its dawning on him how many things would have to fall into place for this daydream to play out. So he's sees what we see, the Bulls young core a mere one move away from a serious run. I'm guessing Melo is hoping for that dream NY/Chris Paul situation, but he realizes its more likely things work out in Chicago. Don't forget that Lebron's dream(as twisted as it was) came reality, but many, myself included, think he saw Chicago as the more realistic outcome. The heat played their cards right and pulled off the improbable, Melo is hoping the Knicks can do the same. The unlikelyhood of that happening, just as it did with Lebron, plays to our favor. But we all know how that worked out.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    The Knicks just might get lucky and find some other team to get involved and pull off the impossible as unlikely as it may seem. The whole Miami B.S. proved anything can happen with these players today. If Melo does end up in NY, look for CP3 or Tony Parker to end up there as well cause I mean they already tipped their hand at Melo's wedding. Hopefully the Bulls can land Melo but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    CSG, you make excellent points. The players and their agents are in control of this situation, not Denver with its rookie GM and 30-yr old owner. The same CAA agency will likely craft the 3-team trade that lands Melo in his preferred destination.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    If Melo coming to Chicago depends on whether the Bulls include Noah, perhaps Bulls should trade Noah and then fill the center spot the following year via the $5 million mid-level exception.

    Although I would miss Noah, maybe its better to have one legitimate superstar (Melo) and a role player next year on the mid-level exception, than Deng and Noah who will both be overpaid non-all-stars if the stories are true about Noah demanding a $70 million extension.

    What do you guys think about that?

  • JORDAN WANTS MELO IN CHICAGO:

    Here's why.

    Michael Jordan is Melo's boss through the Jordan Brand. That would put 4 of his clients on the 4 top teams in the Eastern Conference.

    - Melo...Chicago
    - Wade...Miami
    - R. Allen...Boston
    - Q. Rich...Orlando

    If any of those teams win the NBA title, that becomes a win for MJ and the Jordan Brand. To use a NASCAR analogy, if Jimmie Johnson wins Jeff Gordon wins. Gordon is Johnson's boss.

    Therefore, look for MJ to really become an even stronger mentor to those 4 guys this year.

    * Assuming Melo goes to the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You are trying to find some link of Melo to Chicago like you did for Wade to Chicago. Q-Rich and ambassador for selling shoes....
    When there is no actual news...all these rumors keep flying around..It is one thing to discuss if Melo is a fit basketball wise or what we have to give up...but talking about something like this is crazy talk.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaumburg,

    The FACT is the Bulls' management was after WADE and BOSH. That's why they met with those two guys THREE time each. Don't be NAIVE.

    Secondly, MONEY matters. Jordan is a BUSINESS MAN. Again, don't be NAIVE.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    My take on all this is, Why would Anthony go play for New Jersey? When New Jersey has to trade the only bright spots on their team. The team had the all-time worst record in NBA history and Anthony wants to go there to sign with them? Isnt he leaving Denver because they have no shot of winning? I dont see it the point in going there. If Chicago gets rid of Noah, they basically have no inside player or size. Chicago will start losing again and Anthony will want out. New York may have the best chance of still competing after their trade considering they are trading insignificant players. So what does that leave us? Houston who isnt parting with Martin, so who do they have left to trade? Like Doug said I expect this to get dragged out until Feb. Unless Anthony demands to be traded to a specific team, which still doesnt seem to be the case.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    SACRAMENTO KINGS:

    They plan on starting Beno Udrih at PG this year, but still need a starting SF. Add that to the issues Omri Casspi is having in that town and I still think they make a great 3rd team trading partner for the Bulls pursuit of Melo.

    To Bulls: Carmelo Anthony
    To Kings: Luol Deng, Dickey Johnson and Cash
    To Nuggets: Omri Casspi, Samuel Dalembert, Hassan Whiteside and Taj Gibson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=279efye

    STARTING LINEUPS:

    Chicago - Rose, Brewer, Melo, Boozer and Noah
    Nuggets - Billups or Lawson, Afflalo, Smith or Casspi, Gibson or Martin and Nene' or Anderson
    Kings - Udrih, Evans, Deng, Cousins and Thompson

    In theory, that's a WIN-WIN for each player and team.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Plus, given the health issues of Nene', Martin and Anderson, Denver could use a guy like Dalembert for insurance just in case those guys don't fully recover.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    * Sacramento has all their CORE guys locked up at a LOW salary until 2013-14.

    ** That's when Deng's HIGH contract expires. It's perfect for the Kings.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    CHECK THAT:

    The Nuggets could player Smith or Affalo at SG and Harrington or Casspi at SF.

  • His resigning with NJ or Houston could be contingent on the terms of the trade. Would he want to resign with NJ if they gave up Favors and/or Harris?

  • CAA's role is they influenced all three superstars to sign short extensions back in 2006. That was the start of it all. In 2010 the plan was executed, but CAA created that plan of 'complete control' in 2006.

    As we speculate, CAA is engineering a trade behind the scenes for Melo. It is CAA who will likely craft the 3-team deal that lands Melo in his preferred destination.

    Denver's rookie GM and 30-yr old owner have so little leverage in this. They have to trade Melo in just 4 1/2 months anyway or end up getting screwed like Toronto and Cleveland.

  • Obviously, signing under the current CBA was a major part of the short extensions, I should have included that. I believe a 3-team deal will be crafted to land Melo in his preferred destination.

  • VOTE FOR THE BULLS:

    ESPN.com is having this Best Team of All-Time Tournament.

    Currently the Bulls are (BARELY) losing to the Celtics in the Quarterfinals. EVERYONE needs to go over, show some PRIDE and VOTE for your team.

    DO IT ASAP...before the voting closes.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here is the link.

    http://espn.go.com/espn/greatestteam/nba/

  • So then are you doubtful Knicks could ever construct a contending team around Melo?

    Wade, James, and Bosh all signed for less money to play together (starting at $14 mil). Will Melo take less money to play on a winning team? Or will he demand $20+ million per to sign the extension with his new team?

    Noah's reported insistence on a $70mil/5year extension may make the Bulls consider moving him.

  • the bulls can get melo if they find a third team in the mix that want's deng i also will trade noah that will leave us with some space cap to trade or sign next year i love noah but a got a bad feelind hes going to be ingured a lot!

  • QUESTION:

    Why does Denver need another expiring contract? They already have plenty.

    - Kenyon Martin
    - JR Smith
    - Chauncey Billups...non-guaranteed
    - Nene Hilario...can opt out
    - Al Harrington...can opt out

    If Melo is gone, I'm guessing all 5 of those guys are gone. $ saved.

  • the bulls should trade noah for melo and get it over with. i like noah but i will surely learn to live with him being gone.

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