Will Carmelo deal be held up by front office chaos?

Will Carmelo deal be held up by front office chaos?

I don't know if it's been brought up, but Denver recently fired Mark Warkentien, who was their vice president of basketball operations (Paxson's job), and Rex Chapman their vice president of player personnel.

Now offering Carmelo the massive extension is easy.  It doesn't require them to find a new VP of basketball operations, because if he signs it then you're happy to keep him.

However, trading him or not trading him is a more difficult decision.  The ramifications of that decision will carry on for years, and you probably want your new basketball guy to come in and make that choice so he can shape the team in his own model.

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Does the new GM want to trade him for talent and continue to try to build?   Does he want to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch?    Is he looking to get into the deep lottery to hope to find another star, or is he hoping to keep fans in seats in the short term?

On top of the decision on how to set the future is the business side.  I threw out a number of 20-25 million yesterday on how much money Denver might lose by trading Anthony prior to the season tip off.   Going through and looking at their financial numbers on Forbes that seems a bit high.   I'd estimate the cost to be around 15 million.

Is anything they're going to get in terms of trade value be worth 15 million in cash compared to just letting him walk next season or taking less value in a S&T?

If I'm Denver, I think I'm going to the Knicks and settling for 2014 and 2016 unprotected picks along with Dannilo Gallinari and Eddy Curry (to match salaries) for Carmelo.   I'll first ask for swap options on 2013 and 2015 and other young players like Chandler and Douglas as well just to have room in the negotiation process, but in the end that's what I want.

The thing is, I'm quite sure I don't trust Amare Stoudemire to be a factor in four years, and I'm absolutely certain he won't be in six years.   The far in the future picks are probably something most present GMs are willing to give up largely because it improves the team a ton now, may be worth nothing later, and there's a good chance you won't be there when they're gone anyway.

From Denver's perspective, those picks are far out in the future, but there's a fair chance New York sucks in those years.   It's probably 50/50 for any team playing right now to suck in those years unless they have a superstar talent that's under 24, and even then that player could change teams or get hurt by then.

Nothing they get in terms of present value is likely to help them all that much, so take a shot in the dark on the long future while staying far beneath the cap and bringing back one decent prospect in the process.

Follow this up with a trade of Chauncey Billups to Portland for Andre Miller, future draft picks, and young prospects as well (or a different team if someone outbids Portland, but they're such a logical destination).   This plan completely tanks your team in the near future, allowing you to attempt to rebuild through the lottery while stocking yourselves with potential for the future and a crapload of cap flexibility.

However, none of that can get done without the new GM in place.   He's not in place yet.   As such, look for Anthony to stay put.

As for the Bulls best offer?   Deng + Gibson + 3 1sts perhaps (2011, 2013, charlotte), it's not terrible, but there's very little chance of two of those picks being anything remotely worthwhile.   The new Bulls would be a top four team in the NBA.   

Deng's a starter, Gibson's a quality player on a great contract, but neither are going to turn the franchise around.   They aren't good enough to win now, but they set your franchise up avoid being one of the worst teams as well stopping you from getting those elite lottery picks and perhaps leaving you in no mans land. 

On the other hand, no mans land is probably more abhorrent to die hard fans than owners.   While tanking in the lottery for a superstar sounds good in theory compared to late lottery or 1st round exits, in practice, it's highly unlikely that your team ever gets the star.  Teams have tried this for a decade without ever landing a franchise player, and your sales are completely in the toilet for as long as the attempt is made.

In short, while a 1st round playoff exit is a terrible spot for a team to be year after year, 20 wins and not getting superstars is even worse when it comes to the profits and reputation.   Only the die hard fans are going to sit by and watch a loser to hope for the next best thing.  Your casual fan base is going to go to sleep, and it won't be easy to get them back.

All these factors will come into play, but before they do, there needs to be someone running the ship.   Until that happens, Carmelo, the Nuggets, and those hoping for a trade will be in limbo.

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  • We are all thinking about the Knicks and the Bulls for Melo. Isn't NJ a better destination for Melo if he wants and obviously Denver can a little better package in return..
    Terrence Williams, Favors plus future picks. I think if Denver trades Melo and even get decent players now back...they will still suck because role players on decent teams can get awfully bad on worse team. Anyhow, they are screwed for the next 5 years...so why not start rebuilding now and I guess the fans will understand rather than show up for 25-30 wins....

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Rumors say it's between Orlando and NY

  • In reply to Dileg:

    I don't know how to much believe in this rumors especially with the NY media. I don't trust them even a little bit. They print what they aspire like somebody we know:-) They interview somebody from his family in NY who will definitely say I believe and want him here in NY...We all saw this with LeBron's FA and NY media..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I only believe SAS. Who would have thought... jk

  • In reply to Dileg:

    Doug, are Bulls management and players even making an attempt to woo Carmelo to Chicago? This deal is all about which team Melo chooses and has very little to do with what Denver wants.

    I completely agree with your assessment of "concentrated talent" being necessary to create an elite team and Bulls fall far short in that test. Our Bulls are now the new Atlanta Hawks. Many good players, but only one All-Star. Bulls have the makings of a perennial 50 win team with no legitimate shot at the NBA Finals. This Bulls roster has 'Dick Motta Era' written all over it. We need a second All-Star to pair with Rose! A truly elite offensive weapon who can create his own shot, whether that's Carmelo or someone else it remains the gaping hole on this Bulls roster.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I think we're a step ahead of the Hawks. At least, potential to get to the ECF occasionally. Boozer is a legit 2nd offensive threat.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Boozer is a two-time All-Star, who happens to be able to work the lost post as well as damn near any one else in the league (creating his own shot). Carmelo is a volume scorer but Boozer is much more efficient.

    After Carmelo, how many "available" players are left that can be the go-to guy in crunch time? I can't name one. The league does not have enough talent for all of these teams.

  • In reply to Edward:

    You just have to wonder why should we be whores for these guys talents? Derrick Rose has said Lebron wouldn't even talk with him about coming here. Wade many believe was playing Chicago, and others while Riley gutted the team for cap space. And Bosh was Wade's dining partner asking when it was alright to go to the restroom.

    Now you've got Carmelo Anthony. If any of his "tweets" or inside friends/sources are to be believed it sounds like N.Y(Amare and Chris Paul - maybe in N.O.) or Orlando are his places/friends of interest.

    So why should we just sit around languishing for these spoiled players who really want to hang with their pals/guys they consider NBA star rep established with whom they have some rapport.

    K.C. Johnson reported all along that Boozer was here for the taking if things fell through with Bosh etc. And Boozer signed for a very reasonable if not bargain what $75-78 Million. Now there's a guy who wants to be here. The dude averages 20 and 11 including in the playoffs. Before the last two seasons Kyle Korver put up very high volume threes on 40% or better. Didn't he have wrist surgery/trouble that he's now apparently healed from. Then add C.J. Watson and Ronnie Brewer both guys who shoot for a high percentage/quality, and average an inordinate amount of steals.

    Sure it's nice to have a tri-fecta of superstars aka Miami and Boston. But how often is that really going to happen?

    I'd say are best bet right now is Derrick Rose becoming a superstar. If he doesn't then none of this is going to matter/happen anyway. If he does break out this year for 25 ppg etc., and becomes a force then who knows maybe Melo will talk with him, and decide to come here. And if not we will still have an excellent team. I'm not going to trade for Carmelo, and give away Taj Gibson in the hopes that Melo will resign here. He's just as likely going to imitate his friends, and make his own choice to hook up with a 'pal' like Amare or Chris Paul.

    When franchises no longer put together winning teams, and free agent friends do who knows what's going to happen. But the only way Anthony comes here any way is if D-Rose emerges as a true top 10-7 player. Let's just hope that's the case because it will be a win win.

    And if for some crazy reason then Carmelo does see us as one piece away, and D-Rose emerges more personality wise with his superstar status/success maybe the two will get along/hit it off who knows. The nice thing will be that we will have a carefully crafted team of Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, Boozer etc. etc./young, talented character guys who mesh, and not the old fart/second rate brigade like Miami/Wade does with Ilgauskus, Arroyo, (Joel)Anthony, Eddie House(Understanding Miller etc. and keeping Haslem were nice pick-ups). But we still could be in a position to contend if not raise hell/be a top three EC team this season. I'm going to assume Rose does improve, and enjoy the talent layden ride with Thib's hopefully getting it done at the helm as well. It could be an awesome year regardless of the whims of these prima donnas. Although I might wet the bed if the Bulls/Rose bust out big time, and Carmelo does decide to "come along on these things we(I) must do"(GodFather reference)/win championships.

  • In reply to Edward:

    A lot of the talk is about Melo going to NY or discussion on what the Bulls can do to try and get him. If I'm Denver, I'm calling pretty much every team in the league to see what I can get for Melo. I don't really think what the Knicks have to offer or what the Bulls would offer are that great. Denver needs to not cater to where he wants to go and really focus on what their future will be.

  • In reply to italia8811:

    To some degree, Denver actually does need to cater to where Melo wants to go. Melo can nix any deal simply by refusing to sign an extension and promising the other team that he won't re-sign with them next summer. Denver should still do their due diligence by seeing what other teams are offering, no doubt. But in the end, they know that no team is going to give up a bunch of valuable assets for a one year rental of a superstar.

  • In reply to italia8811:

    OK... so unless talks are being held behind closed doors, the Bulls can pretty much forget about Carmelo with the list of teams that he has rumored to be on his list. Bulls fans, let this play itself out cause this guy will ultimately decide his own destination of a team to sign with. Who knows, maybe if the Bulls aren't mentioned that much, maybe a surprise will come in to play just like the Lebron surprise of signing with Miami. Carmelo has to know that if he signs with the Knicks, Orlando, the Rockets, or N.J. that he still will not win a championship. Again IMO Thibideau is the wild card in all of this. If he has the Bulls playing on a championship level then Carmelo will make a serious mistake in not choosing the Bulls. If he was smart he would at least give Denver a chance and stay there until the trading deadline. He could also see how the other teams on his list is playing so he would have a better idea of what those teams are doing. This goes for the Bulls as well. If he really wants to win, this is the approach he should take cause he has to set himself up to compete with his buddies on South Beach or if he goes to a team in the west... the Lakers.

  • In reply to Edward:

    To answer the question, "How often does a trifecta of superstars occur?" I believe the answer is, "about as often as championships occur."

    Don't get me wrong I like the Boozer signing, but he's no Pau Gasol. Watching him play, he's more of a product of ball movement and cuts on offense; not a backdown, one-on-one, low-post scorer like many are labeling him. And his lack of size will become a factor beyond the 1st round of the playoffs. Boozer was a good signing and a significant upgrade at PF, its just that realistically Bulls are not an elite team yet and truly need an elite wing who can create his own shot and close out games. Bulls can't expect Rose to do and be everything, and will fall short if they do.

    Whether or not Boozer becomes a coaches selection to the all-star team, I maintain Bulls need another all-star at the wing SG/SF. I believe Rose will be voted as an all-star starter soon enough.

  • True about the health M.W. Booz, Taj(is he even over the pantar fasciitis yet?), Noah, and D-Rose are going to stay away from injuries if this is going to be a top 3-4 seed run, and beyond(playoff success).

    And Thibs despite all his knowledge and good player rapport is going to have to prove it as a first time head coach(which I think he will).

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    ima 100% sure miami will..

    this isnt the roster with three players anymore.. there stacked i understand we say we can fight and hang but honestly.. there offense will be something and there ONLY problem is rebounding.. defense with bron, & wade you think they wont push themselves now that they have to guard the best players.. bosh isnt bad but hes better than boozer and stat by alot.. boozer rarely and i mean rarely blocks..or protects the paint.. hopefully thibs hanges that approach.. but spoelstra is a defensive guy too.. and miller,anthony and chalmers espec creates alot of turnovers.. the only way to beat them is by attacking the rim an gettin to the line which they wil live off of.. no hate but be real our s.f doesnt attack the rim.. w

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I'll Take These Bulls

    I like the way the season is shaping up. We will be better and more exciting.

    As good as the Heat? They are as good as Wade is healthy. He's the glue that will make LeBron and Bosh champions. But Wade's health hasn't always been good.

    The Celtics are aging and the Magic seem to be lost in the underperforming wilderness of the NBA. The Lakers remain the creme out west.

    I like my Bulls, right now, the way they are. Could they be better? Sure. But I'm not losing any sleep over it.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Richard,

    Your optimism is commendable, but MELO is a difference-maker.

    He makes the Bulls instant title contenders.

    Is that the case right now? I'm not sure.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    THIS JUST IN:

    Rudy Fernandez's agent says he is done in Portland. Blazers' owner says he's Europe bound.

    http://www.columbian.com/news/2010/aug/18/fernandez-done-blazers-nba-agent-says/

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    Correction:

    His agent said he wants to go back to Europe, not the Blazers' owner.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Whatever forget Miami...we wont have to face them until the ECF anyways. We don't need Melo to beat them...we could do it now if we play inspired D which I think we are ready to do. Melo would help greatly but you are right not to be optimistic about getting Melo...if it happens great but not likely.

  • Hey Doug,
    As a separate item, but still related to Bulls wing/scorer weakness. Are Bulls talking to Ben Wallace's agent Arn Tellem about trading for unsigned Memphis Grizzlies no. 12 draft pick Xavier Henry - the 6'6" SG from Kansas? I thought Tellem and Reinsdorf are old friends. And Tellem owes Bulls after the massive Ben Wallace contract! I think Bulls should be in active pursuit of Henry.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5472219

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward,

    Unlike Rudy Fernandez, I don't think Xavier Henry would have a problem being a back-up to Ronnie Brewer at SG. This kid does seem to have good shooting range. I said all along, that Memphis was a place to look, if the Bulls wanted to add another SG.

    Two of their SG's look to be available via trade.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Id sure rather have Henry than Young...giving his shooting touch.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I agree. Memphis seems to be messing around with him. The Bulls should try to strike before it the negotiations get better or there is competition. Maybe they should try JJ first and then add a future pick? He might be a good trading chip if we need somebody during the trade deadline in Feb.. But that said, we don't know if the Bulls value him much..

  • QUESTION:

    Should Derrick Rose try and recruit or reach out to Carmelo Anthony?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    MrHappy,
    This move is all about which team Carmelo chooses. Denver has very little say in it. So YES! Bulls players should try and recruit him.

    Interesting that Carmelo's agent is Leon Rose of the Creative Artists Agency - same as LeBron.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward,

    Derrick Rose says he wants to WIN. I believe MELO can help him do that.

    He should recruit or reach out to MELO, so should NOAH.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    No...if Melo wants to come he will. There's not many places he can go and have a chance to win it all. If its up to him he should make his own common sense choice and play for the RedWhite-n-Black.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    I have been saying this about all of these free agents this summer. It all depends on what team these guys want to sign with. I agree that if Carmelo shows the Bulls that he does want to play for them then go all out and make something happen with some kind of trade. Carmelo does have all of the leverage over Denver cause no team will make a trade for him unless he signs an extension so therefore Denver will have to make a trade to the team that he wants to play for. Again... unless he lets the Bulls know that he wants to play for them, then the Bulls should stand pat and look into trying to swing a trade for the Henry kid whose unsigned by Memphis.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    IMO, even if N.Y. or Orlando does make a trade for Carmelo, they still won't have enough to beat the Heat. The wild card to me is coach Thibs and the defensive scheme that I hope he has the Bulls playing in order to shut down teams. Carmelo should know by now that defense wins championships and I'm sure that's what the Bulls will be all about. N.y. does not play defense and Orland will have to give up too much in order to get Carmelo. And Dwight Howard had better be working on his game cause to me he is one dementional, if he's not near the basket he is useless.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    At Edward, I think most would agree; the Bulls realistically do need a Carmelo scoring type of force to win championships. But IMO they will also need Derrick to emerge into that other superstar. If he does, maybe that will create the inertia/attraction to draw in that final piece. I just think Rose is going to have to come into his own as a superstar(really in his third year you'd think it would happen if it's going to especially with all the added talent scoring big etc.). Then if so the stage is set for Anthony (or some other very potent wing scorer..?). But if he decides to buddy up elsewhere, then we may have an outstanding team, but come up one piece short. But if Rose does go through the roof, and Noah does take another step forward with Taj, Brewer, Korver, and Booz I wouldn't completely count them out with Thib's D. But yes most likely we need a Carmelo for title(s).

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Agree. We sometimes underestimate what it takes to win a title. It is very, very difficult. Unless you have a super-mega star like MJ or a super big men like Shaq/Hakeem/Duncan who are playing at their prime with correct pieces around them...it is very difficult. Or there are 3 great players with a deep team like Kobe, Gasol and Odom/Artest combo.

    I don't think Rose is a position to recruit now. Honestly, he is more potential than achievement right now. Boozer can do a better sales pitch right now. It is kind of good karma in a way that Melo is probably not getting traded until Feb 2011. The Bulls would seem to have a better chance(if all their players/coaches click) in Feb 2011 than Aug/Sep 2010.

    If there was a Bulls God, he will make Deng's contract an expiring contract and we can trade his contract next year for a superstar:-)

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    The problem with trading for Carmelo, long term considered, is that you have to not only pull off the exchange, but also resign Melo following next year. Hmm worth the risk of losing Deng, Taj, 1st round picks? When you might end up with nothing? Well not exactly nothing,significant cap room would exist in the hole Melo not resigning with us would leave. So you only pull the trigger if 1.You are positive(not just pretty sure) he's all in on resigning or 2.You think you can use that cap space to enlist guys that will do more for us than Deng, Taj, and picks.

    Ideally Melo gives us both his word and every impression that his desire is to remain a Bull long after his contract runs out.

    But lets say this ideal situation doesn't exist, now we turn to the free agent prospects that would act as insurance assuming Melo leaves us with a gaping hole of cap space. Obviously 2011 is no 2010 free agently speaking, but some solid options will still be there for the taking. Remember we'd have to replace the value of both Taj and Deng. Some combination of the following guys might work: Tayshaun Prince, Mike Dunleavy, Zach Randolph, Brian Cook, David West, Carl Landry, Tim Duncah(why not?). Pick your favorite two names from that list and contemplate. Can you really find a combination better than Taj and Deng? Sure Deng's contract isn't ideal, neither is his "injury" track record, but he puts up 18 and 8 annually. Taj was a first team All NBA rookie, so you really have to appreciate his current value before making comparisons. The value of picks is hard to evaluate but we'll assume the Bulls finish in the top 10, making them hit or miss picks at best. So sure best case Melo's out scenario you sign Tayshaun Price to replace Deng, and add David West or Carl Landry. Neither of the three can rebound as well as Taj but that gives you two guys who can put down 15 and 8 a night. The problem is you can't simply count on free agency possibilities(which we all found out the hard way).
    Don't get me wrong I'd love to see Melo in a Bulls uniform, and his ability to make us an instant title contender even if only for a year is hard to discount, but when you break it down to odds the deal doesn't really make sense.

    But hey maybe Melo says "I'm in long term, lets do the damn thing." In which case, lets do the damn thing.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    We would make sure an extension was worked out b4 considering trading for him. So if we pulled off the trade for Carmelo that means an extension has already been agreed to.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    The trade would have to take place prior to any extension unless you're talking a sign and trade. What if he were to drag out the process after verbally committing to an extension, eventually having a change of heart/desire to play for us long term? Not saying its likely, just would feel better about it if a reasonable backup plan was in place. Maybe my concern isn't well found.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    I was under the impression that we could demand an extension as part of the trade or it no deal.

  • In reply to jgingeri:

    amundson will be off the market by the time any sign and trade goes down with melo. oh well its not gonna happen anyways.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bullybullz,

    Amundson can get signed right now by the Bulls and then a S&T could happen.

    Why so negative?

  • Charisma, chashmisma. Hookers and and beer(weed) my friend. Hookers and beer.

    I'm Kidding OK. I agree D-Rose doesn't have it yet, but he's so young, and I do see some flashes of personality/being more outgoing. If he can break out this year, I could see possibly him having enough confidence to befriend/attract somebody here. But these guys nowadays are just so me oriented and cynical. Unless you're a player/gregarious like Wade or Amare I don't know if you can be what these guys want/nor should you want to be.

    As for Noah I'd have to respectfully say no chance as a recruiter if anything he is the rebel/anti-schmoozer/"cool rapper" of the Wade, Chris Paul ilk these guys are looking to hang/hook up with. But that prerequisite doesn't necessarily mean winning.

    Sometimes non-schmoozers like Joakim with the heart of a lion are the ones you win with. But that talent thing will get you in the end. Which unfortunately Chris Paul, Wade etc. are in no short supply of. And Wade is a proven winner no doubt.

    Then again if the Bulls/D-Rose/Joakim do go through the roof this year maybe he and Derrick could lure Anthony who's to say.

  • I was thinking of Henry more as a trading chip rather than a contributor. If he becomes a contributor, great..but as you said we don't know.
    If James Johnson is not going to get any playing time anytime soon, in Feb 2011 ...I am guessing Xavier Henry will be a more valuable trading chip than James Johnson. This is assuming the Bulls can swing a trade as JJ has only one more year guaranteed. But if I were Memphis, I don't know if I would trade Henry for JJ...

  • RPK,

    Noah should be recruiting him too. He says he's all about winning.

    Well, Melo can help the Bulls win.

  • Edward and RPK,

    This is exactly why Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah should try and recruit MELO.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/your-team-may-have-a-better-trade-for-melo-but-if-he-wants-to-go-to-new-york-he-will.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Those two guys might need to sell Melo on Chicago and the Bulls.

    Noah is a New Yorker, but he seems to LOVE playing in Chicago for the Bulls.

    Rose is the current face of this team. He's the all-star. His input is needed.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You should really get over this thing you have with Rose recruiting Carmelo.

    I'm guessing you don't interact with other human beings too much, spending most of your day in your basement refreshing Sam Young's twitter page.

    So let me explain how us humans work. We don't want to be replaced. We most certainly don't want our teammates trying to get someone in to replace us. Deng, being human (I think), doesn't want his teammates trying to replace him. It would cause problems.

    Let's put this in a context you might understand. Would you like it if Doug went on a Denver Nuggets blog site and actively started recruiting a new MrHappy for this site? I don't think you'd like it. Most likely, the gift you give Doug for his birthday wouldn't be the biggest gift, and the car attached would most definitely not say, "thank you for being a friend."

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    I agree with your assessment. Sam Smith also wrote about Rose finding himself in a potentially uncomfortable position because recruiting hard for LBJ might create tension with Deng if Bron-Bron didn't come here. And, as we all saw, the "Chosen One" had his own agenda anyway. So I see this as analogous to that situation. The likelihood of Melo coming here is slim, at best. Thus, disturbing the chemistry and goodwill between teammates seems, to me, to be unnecessary. Melo will go where he wants, regardless of what Rose says to persuade him.

    Unfortunately, as you point out, there are some who sit alone in a fall-out bunker with fantasy-league machinations written on the walls inside, and don't understand that Rose actually respects people and especially his teammates. And, though I think he'd welcome Melo's talent, he's not going to implicitly convey to Deng that the team doesn't want him. I respect that.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    He could talk to Melo w/o Deng's knowledge. I'm sure he wouldn't hold a team player's meeting at his crib and discuss how to woo Melo to the Bulls. But shooting him a txt or two or a phone call wouldn't be a big deal. That said I think Rose has a "us against the world" mentality right now. He thinks his team can compete w/anyone and he also thinks he can be the best PG in the league I believe so that's why I don't see him trying to recruit anyone. If they come he won't care...he will embrace them. But he knows this is his team and he is just focused on being the best player he can be.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    The one thing I worry about with Melo on this Bulls team is chemistry. On paper there's no doubt he's a significant upgrade. They'd win a lot of regular season games on firepower alone. But Melo's a black hole on offense. I don't think he's ever seen a shot he didn't like and it's not like he's a 50% shooter. Would he score efficiently? Would he minimize Rose and Boozer and ball movement in general at the offensive end?

    I'm not sure if Rose and Thibs have the juice yet to get a high-volume chucker like Melo - who's considered by many to be an elite player - to defer to whatever system they put in place on both ends of the court. Don't get me wrong, I'd take him as long as I didn't have to give up too much to get him. I'd have some reservations, though.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    I was wondering... if we get melo, and we would have to play a superstar team with a trio of people like boston, miami or anyone else who decides to make a trio, would melo have to guard a superstar? Hes not known for his defense. I know bringing him in would bring a lot better consistent scoring that deng/taj but dengs defense for lack of a better word, slowed down lebron and then but lebron will probably get by melo no problem. Also if the bulls were to get him, its proven that when a team has a superstar, everyone on the team does a lot better like the MJ days and even in cleveland where they all attempted to step up when Lebaby quit on them in the playoffs. I think that if we were to get melo we would be a little better than miami because we have a legit center and a beast at PG and not mario chalmers. Rose>chalmers, BrewerBigZ, Bulls bench>Miami's. Some of you might not agree of melo equal to bron but miami is going to have to share the rock and not let him do anything so there are plays where lebron will just stand there and on the other side of the court the same thing will happen.
    QUESTION: And if we were to get melo, do you guys think droses numbers would go down? besides assists? what about booz?

  • Everyone seems to be unaware that Carmelo has a Trade Kicker. It's small compared to others - $1 million - but it prevents a Deng + Goibson trade from working.

    It would be Deng + Gibson + Johnson since it is unlikely to be Deng + Noah and all other players (except Rose) cant be traded yet.

    Anthony is not a free agent and cannot be recruited bu other players openly. Besides, why does Anthony need to be recruited? He knows the NBA and the players. He can decide for himself

  • In reply to bulls6:

    bulls6,

    I have mentioned Deng, Gibson, Johnson, picks and cash from the beginning.

    I see that blog-a-bull read that and picked up on it. Go figure.

  • In reply to bulls6:

    Reesel,

    All I'm saying is, I don't think it would hurt for DROSE and/or NOAh to contact Melo.

    They could have done it at the Presidental basketball game or at the WBF.

    Noah and Rose were at both events, along with Melo.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I get what you are saying Happy but just like D Rose said before about Lebron, If he really wants to come to the Bulls, he will let the Bulls representatives know this and we all know how the Bulls are... they keep everything under wraps and who knows maybe if Rose and Noah already know what Carmelo intends on doing, they are or maybe not texting each other.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Agreed. I think Melo knows wherever he goes, he'd be welcome. Rose doesn't need to go on the campaign trail to convince a person that has his own agenda. He also knows it's management's job to get players and lets them do it. I respect that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We all would like to have Carmelo but if he already knows how this is gonna play out... no one will change his mind. He is pretty much like his buddies in Miami IMO.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    dont mean to be a sour puss put melo is not coming to chicago. dont want to get my hopes up on someone once again who has already decided where he wants to go. theres to many what ifs and melo has too many ties to NYC. sounds like he' s not to eager to win anytime soon. Plus we're not even on his short list of teams. Sounds like once again no one wants to come to chicago. Still dont understand why. We need to get Pippen to start speaking publicly about how great chicago is and how players should come here. Im trying to find a ray of hope in this melo thing but i cant see it.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    You're not being a sour puss bullyphan, you're just speaking reality and what the situation is. It is what it is. Again I think Carmelo already knows which team he will be with. Any player would be nuts to turn down 65 million and not already know which team he will go to.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    quick ? for those who really think melo is a possibility. so what happens if we do get Melo for Deng, taj, and JJ? there goes our depth. how do we get deep in the playoffs without a deep bench? i dont want to hear we will worry about that later! who backs up boozer? I guess that means more minutes for korver.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bullybullz,

    The Bulls wouldn't lose that much depth.

    PG - Rose/Watson
    SG - Brewer/Bogans
    SF - Melo/Korver
    PF - Boozer/Thomas
    C - Noah/Asik

    They would need to add another PG, SG and PF maybe.

    - Lucas?
    - Bouldin? or Byars?
    - Amundson?

    That wouldn't be that bad.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    at the 3 spot that is

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    There goes our depth? You mean losing Gibson? Kurt Thomas can back up Boozer....Hell, resign Chris Richard!!! Melo would be worth it.

    But don't worry. He's not coming here...

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I agree I don't look for him to come to Chicago either, but it would be nice though.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    If Rose and Noah recruit Melo, maybe he turns his attention to Chicago.

    Nobody knows what he is actually thinking right now, except him.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    why would they sign him if its not 100% done deal? give him a guaranteed contract when their roster is already set in hopes of landing melo?! dont think so. like i said before the bulls ARE NOT being considered by melo. If these so called media sources are actually correct. Negative because no super star wants to play here.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bullybullz,

    The Bulls only have 12-men on the roster. They still need one more.

    They could use another BIG-man. Asik is un-predictable and Thomas is older.

    Adding a quality big, like Amundson, wouldn't hurt with or without Melo.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    I don't think a big man or someone to back up Boozer will be that hard to find. The guy that played for Phoenix last year is still out there. and maybe Denver would send back a big man in the trade as well, maybe a guy whose contract is about to end.

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    bullybullz,

    They would be fine at the SF.

    SF - Melo/Korver/Byars?

  • In reply to sharynlewis:

    Reesel,

    I'm with you. The Bulls' brass should pick up Louis Amundson.

    He's scrappy and a quality back-up at PF.

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  • In reply to Yunqn:

    i think with orlando joining .. theres no way were in it anymore.. they can give up carter,pietrus,gortat or bass or anderson and still two draft picks.. warm weather,better team and playing with a center which benefits melo more than a guard..

    orlando or new york this week or next
    orlando makes too much sense.. theyre loaded at the wing with actual starters and carter can keep denver fans happy maybe not as much but more than new york.. and melo w. dwight is better than melo w stoudemire..

    if te nets however say favors,twill,1st,cash and murphy for martin and melo than noway denver walks away..

    knicks were front runners until melo said orlando and new jersey too..

    also c.p could sign with the nets or in a trade for harris now that they have nothing.. nj has 10 draft picks with devin harris..

    paul
    morrow
    melo
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    lopez all under jay-z,and soon the best owner in new york

  • how isnt iggy mentioned? if you want a 20 point option with elite defense than iggy is available.. they got turner who is their 2,holliday pg.. traded for noce and got young and meeks.. luol deng for iggy pushes our title hopes way higher..

    im telling you 2 things

    melo isnt coming

    & iggy & aaron affalo makes us the top three team in te league.. 3 20 point scorers.. and the best rebounding and defensive team .. and most importantly we would have the hardest working group in the league..

    iggy only missed 6games his whole career.. deng does that in a month.. get iguodala

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    Agree w/you but iggy's contract is worse than Deng's bc it has more years left.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    its like like joe johnson or wade where its a 28 yr old..

    iggys is way durable and overall better offensively an defensively than luol its worth it rather than hope deng can out of nowhere shoots threes and be clutch.. deng is solid.. iggy has star ability.. hes the perfect sidekick to a rose & now boozer? were loaded..
    iggus is one of the most durable players in the league and isnt old at all espec with being a third option he will last longer.. iggy has what it takes to last in your 30s and he wont even be 30+ with us anyway.. and thats size..

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    then we play second fiddle to the likes of Miami? I town that could care less about their team. yet they get all the stars.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    well two stars and a puppy to follow them around. meaning bosh.

  • you're talking about amundson? whatever his name is. i forgot about kurt thomas. maybe deng will make strides this year. he is playing well in international play. Thibs thinks he's the most underrated SF in the league. So maybe he will find a way for deng to get better and not vanish in the second half of games like he always do. plus he would be the third option now. it might make him relax a lil bit. with all this lebron and melo talk I am REALLY hoping Deng has A BREAKOUT YEAR. INJURY FREE OF COURSE!!!

  • Except you piss off the player you're looking to replace. So I believe it most definitely hurts!

    If I'm Deng and I find out that Noah/Rose is trying bring in Carmelo, I tell both of them to go F themselves.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    Deng is a real gentleman. It's one thing if Melo is a FA and we had cap space like the deal with LBJ. And I don't know if Rose is validated enough to start recruiting yet. He needs to accomplish a little more. Rose or Noah can just talk privately during a practice or some event about Melo coming to the Bulls. But definitely nobody should be doing any public recruiting.
    And I am not even sure Melo is like LBJ who seems like a guy who wanted to be wooed and recruited..

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    why you guys keep talking about melo hes' not coming to chicago an we don't need him we should try to get e really good shooting guard that's what really we need like a ginobili,monte ellis,tyreek evans.

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    In reply to KenyattaWright:

    I don't think it's a coincidence you've got Melo and Paul chomping at the bit at the same time. They want a deal with the Knicks and they want it right now. That's because they're a bunch of headline-snatching attention whores. Get ready for the ESPN miniseries.

  • In reply to KenyattaWright:

    If the Bulls can't get anything else done before the season starts, they should wait til the trading deadline to make another move to acquire more scoring whether it be a shooting guard or small forward.

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