Bulls sign Keith Bogans to a two year deal

Per David Aldridge's twitter:

Bulls add to their depth, sign former
Spur Keith Bogans to a two-year deal, 2nd year partial guarantee. Story
up soon on NBA.com.

Bogans is a solid defender and a decent, but not great, shooter.  He has some size and makes a solid addition as a 5th guard.   Bogans is a role player, but he can play 20 minutes a night if need be without absolutely killing you, which is something the Bulls need in case of an injury.

However the move is depressing in that it likely signals that a Rudy Fernandez trade isn't going to happen.  While the signing doesn't mean the Bulls have no chance at Rudy, it seems unlikely that they'd have signed Bogans unless they felt a deal was unlikely.

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  • Agreed. T-Mac would have been a chemistry killer. I almost came around on him prior to his ridiculous comments following his workout. That guy needs a pamphlet. Bogans should fit in nicely. I'd assume he knows his role at this stage, and the Bulls have a real nice rotation with fairly defined roles. We're deep enough to deal with injuries and presumably we should be able to rest the big dogs sufficiently on a nightly basis.

  • I am conflicted on the signing. Bogans would have been a good piece if the starter at SG was elite. We seem to be getting a bunch of players with different abilities. Thibs will have a hard trying to morph them into one player.

    Also, the Bulls are keeping a significant chunk of cap space available for whatever reason? I guess Portland is again being greedy to screw the trade-up.

    Any guesses on why they want to be under the cap?
    1. A big trade brewing now or waiting for a trade during deadline?
    2. JR just wants to save more money?
    3. It just happened like that..
    4. Some other FA signing?

  • the article on read about the signing said this would not kill a possible deal for rudy. When I first read the headline I kind of thought the same thing that this would mean a definite no to Rudy. But Bogans is a role player like you said and we could still use a more solid backup guard to share time with Brewer. Probably true though that this kills any rudy deals...maybe

  • I'M AGREEING WITH Mr Happy that the Bulls should go after Carmelo if the opportunity presents itself. I would hate for the Bulls to lose Gibson cause I'm quite sure he would be included in the deal along with Deng and other assets but the Bulls core would be even more stronger and well intact for some years to come.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Right on.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If Denver puts Melo on the market, Deng would be among the worst players offered for him. Gibson and multiple firsts will not make up for the lack of sex appeal to acquiring Deng.

    Melo being a top 10 player means that most everybody outside the top 10 becomes availabe to get him, which means there are 50,60,70,80 players better than Deng who might be offered up for Melo.

  • Ho Hum...
    Signing Bogans is the right thing to do. It

  • In reply to Edward:

    Bulls are keeping picks just in case a trade proposal comes up for Carmelo. Picks would be used along with probably Deng, Gibson, and J.J.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel and MrHappy,
    I'm all for a Carmelo trade. If Carmelo was at SF Bulls could afford a defensive SG like Ronnie Brewer. But right now Bulls are lacking offensive firepower - they don't have enough weapons. It's a difficult void to fill, but I hope Bulls can do it between now and the February trading deadline.

    Whether its at SF or SG Bulls need another all-star to truly contend for a title. Not enough fans and media recognize this limitation of the Bulls roster.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward,

    Amen. Welcome to the GOOD-SIDE of reality.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Recognizing a problem and then proposing trades that have virtually no possiblity of ever happenning is your definition of reality.

  • In reply to Edward:

    The Bulls if they can swing a trade for Carmelo, need to get him to sign an extension before they do make the trade cause unfortunately he will be a free agent at the end of this coming season.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    That's the HOMERUN this Bulls' management NEEDS to hit.

    As a fan, I'm not down with just winning the Central Division.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Agreed, I think it would be a GRAND SLAM IMO. I would still hate to lose the rebounding of Gibson and Deng. These guys along with Boozer and Noah will be all over the glass if a trade doesn't go down.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    These 4 guys alone can average 10 or more rebounds a game. Bulls should again be at the top of the league in that category.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Melo isn't a bad rebounder, especially in the playoffs.

    And I still want the Bulls to add another BIG, just in case Gibson gets dump in a trade for Mr. Anthony.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Well of course...

    Denver's dilemma is ending up like Toronto and Cleveland getting almost nothing for Bosh and LeBron when they became free agents and walked.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    If I were Gar/Pax, I would be offering up Deng, Gibson, Johnson, TWO #1 Picks and CASH (pay part or most of Deng's salary) to get that trade done.

    MELO wins them championships. Without him they are just Central Division champs.

    That's reality.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    yeah thats probably what it is going to take to get the deal done but as Edward said... does Melo want to play for the Bulls? Thats the real question considering what the 3 idiots on south Beach did.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    I don't think CP3 is going anywhere and I wouldn't trust D'Antoni's system, if I were MELO.

    Given what the three CONS of South Beach did, why not team up with Rose, Boozer and Noah, if you were Melo?

    I don't know what he is thinking, but I'm guessing he's hungry to win. He's not winning in Denver or New York.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Plus seeing what his other buddies have done you would think that he knows he needs to put himself in the best position to win soon. Something to think about... don't count out L.A. LAKERS cause they have pieces as well and they know they will need to re load cause Kobe getting old and Phil's last year. I would not count them out at all because they have owners that want to win on a year to year basis.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    But when I think about it I can't see Denver helping out the Lakers but you never know. We all thought Lebron didn't want to play with Wade either. Again you never know what these NBA players today are thinking cause they all want to be handed everything to them the easy way.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Melo is not going to the Lakers.

    This is Phil's last year, so Melo going there via free-agency is out. And there is NO WAY IN HELL that Denver would ever trade Melo to the Lakers.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Because, Rose, Melo and Boozer even with Noah, while formidable is still less than Wade, Lebron and Bosh, even though I don't care much for Bosh.

    Melo probably looks at joining the Bulls as a lateral move from Denver, not really as a major step up, and since as currently constituted the Bulls are essentially identical to the Jazz of the east, he would not be wrong to think so.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    We will just have to see how things play out on the court. It will be a big task for the Bulls to take on Miami but it can be done with the right kind of defensive play. And yes Bosh will be the weakest of the 3 cause he will be playing some at the 5 spot even though he said he doesn't want to play that position. Riley and Wade pimped both of those fools Lebron and Bosh making them throw away their own legacies.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    Excuse me?

    Rose, Melo, Boozer and Noah are way better than Wade, LBJ and Bosh. You really need to watch more basketball.

    And for what it's worth, going from Chicago, a major market with YOUNG ALL-STAR TALENT, is more than a lateral move compared to staying in Denver, a small west coast market with OLDER and PAST THEIR PRIME TALENT.

    Reality check.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I certainly have watched more basketball in my life than you have, and particularly more Bulls basketball. IN fact I have been watching or listening Basketball and to the Bulls since the beginning of the Dick Motta Bulls back in the day when Wilt was still in the league and Kareem was still Lew Alcindor.

    And, by the way I am certain that I have played more game than you ever have.

    You really need to stick to making stupid trade proposals over and over and over and over rather than making ad hominem attacks on other posters.

    Going from a top 4 team in the west that has no chance to make the finals to a top 4 team in the east that has no chance to make the finals is by definition a lateral move.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    As for the substance of your point, such as it is, lets compare the facts, or is it FACTS

    Lebron is better than Carmelo(exponentially so, see link below)

    Wade is currently better than Rose(I would say still exponentially so)

    Bosh based on the markets perception is clearly better than Boozer(the market says exponentially so)

    While I love Noah(from day one by the way) He cannot make up for the 3 superstars being better by significant margins.

    We may eventually be able to beat Miami by being a better team, but Melo is not likely the missing piece to making that happen.

    Here is your Melo link, which says it all and just about right.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=5439653&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d5439653

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Yeah it will be a tough matchup for the Bulls with Miami but they can be slowed down with the right defensive approach. Bosh is the weakest of the 3 and he will be the target with the Bulls because of the re-bounders that the Bulls have and Bosh will be forced to play at the 5 spot even though he said he didn't want to. Riley and Wade pimped both of those fools Bosh and Lebron making them throw away their legacies.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    the cash is limited to $3million per transaction, so the only way the Bulls could pay more is to split it up into several seperate trades(sending $3million with each trade) meaning Denver would have to send us back something in the other trades, second round picks, rights to players stashed overseas whatever.

    This obviously ignors the fact that Reinsdorf has shown no interest whatsoever of sending money along with trades.

    Finally, since everybody in Chicago and probably the planet would do that deal, that probably means that there is no way on earth that anyone in Denver would accept that deal, you know if it seems to good to be true, it usually is.

    Reality check.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Yeah it pretty much depends on if Carmelo wants to play for the Bulls.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    That's why Rose needs to reach out to Melo and try to get him here.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lets hope he does this time without offending Deng or Taj cause the trade might not go through. Don't want any tension in the locker room or on the court.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Rose says he wants to WIN.

    Well, then he has TWO CHOICES.

    One, call out Deng and tell him that he is UNDER-ACHIEVING and needs to STEP-UP his game to an All-Star level (not likely). Or two, get a hold of Carmelo Anthony and convince him to join the Bulls, like DWADE did with Bosh and LBJ.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lets hope he does the latter.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Damn, I wish I had been smart enough to know that the only thing holding Deng back has been the fact that Derrick Rose(or anybody else) has failed to challenge his manhood.

    All this time I just thought that he is what he is, a mediocre talent.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    K.C. JOHNSON:

    Who is usually WRONG.

    The Bulls now have 12 players under contract, seven of which are new. They still possess a negligible amount of salary-cap space and may add a minor-minutes point guard reserve. But the roster is basically set.

    The Bulls had engaged in trade talks with the Trail Blazers for Rudy Fernandez, but Bogans' signing will likely end those.

    Bogans has started 227 of 504 career games so he's comfortable in either role. On paper at least, the 6-foot-5, 215-pounder will open training camp as a reserve behind Brewer.

    * The Bulls CAN NOT SETTLE for only Bogans.

    ** They won't win a championship with the roster they have...PERIOD!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    This just posted on ESPN, a story which pretty much somes up my opinion of Anthony, a volumn scorer, but not necessarily a championship player, or in this writers opinion a max player.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=5439653

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway you have to look at the system that Carmelo has been playing in as well. Karl has not been able to win anything with that system while Thibs has a proven system that has won a championship and plenty of coaches and players in the league has nothing but raving reviews about the work that Thibs puts in and and how his teams are prepared. Lets not knock Carmelo until he is put in a different situation that gives him a chance to win. I know you really didn't think that Denver has been a contender with Melo. I hope not.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway this is a Insider story so we can't read it. Please copy and paste the entire story so we can read it here.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward,

    This is basically the story.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/is-carmelo-anthony-an-elite-player.php?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • In reply to Edward:

    QUESTION:

    What are the Bulls' missing?

    A CLOSER. A GUY WHO TAKES AND MAKES GAME-WINNERS.

    That's what Melo is really good at.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlsCt2viDxU

    Anybody who wouldn't want him on the Bulls is a COMPLETE IDIOT.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You are an idiot if you pick the player you like to come(Wade and now Melo) and assume the player is interested and will come. Just because you propose a bunch of players from your side as trade bait, you think the other team will accept that. They are probably 10 teams or more which can give Denver equal or more value than what you are proposing. And even though Chicago is a big market, there are plenty of good NBA big or attractive markets....NY, LA, Houston, Dallas, Phily, Orlando, Atlanta, Portland...
    Also, Chicago has not proven anything because I keep hearing Thibs's system. He was an assistant and until he proves as a head coach, people are skeptical. Also, you keep talking about D'Antoni's system being bad. I am sure D'Antoni is smart enough to change based on personnel. He is not a dumb coach even if you think so. If not for Robert Horry, he probably would have taken Phoenix to the NBA finals.
    Rose has got to prove it that he has an another level in his game.

    And as Bigway said, Melo is a top 10 player. Except for LBJ,Kobe,Wade,KD and maybe a couple of more players....Mgmts of every team will trade anyone on their roster to get Melo. And comparing Melo to Garnett is crazy...Garnett was 31 and Melo is in his prime/entering his prime. There will be a lot of competition for him. I am not saying the Bulls shouldn't try but realistically the Bulls have to be ready to give up almost anything other than Rose and that too once some things are proven during next season. It is too early for anything to happen now especially for Bulls and Melo...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaum,

    I'm an idiot for wanting the best players on the Bulls...WOW.

    I actually thought WINNING was what pro sports was all about.

    GET A CLUE...fool.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    FYI shaum...THIBS has a ring...D'Antoni does not.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Futhermore schaum, I didn't compare Melo to KG.

    If you can read, which it doesn't appear that you can, their is a SOURCE saying that the Nuggets FO is planning for a KG-style trade involving Melo, if it comes down to that.

    READ what the story said, before you act like a FOOL!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You read parts of the post and take sentences out of context or don't understand the meaning behind a sentence. I am not a transaction writer whose every sentence is black and white. And you start hurling insults. C'mon, get a little humble and learn that most of the people who post here like the Bulls as much as you do and also follow the NBA a lot.

    BTW, Thibs having a ring is completely different...he was an assistant coach and even if he designed the defense, it is still Doc River's decisions, game management. Again, I am not comparing Melo to KG...it is the timing of the trade for them and their relative ages. Just because somebody said that they are exploring ...we can't assume that's the truth. Even if it's true, what adv do the Bulls get?
    I am sorry... I guess you are too smart and cryptic for me to understand how the Bulls are better positioned just because we want than anybody else to get Melo..

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    In reply to MrHappy:

    Not a hater. Just seems to me like the talk about Carmelo moving is just that. Talk. It's August and the bloggers/writers have nothing better to do.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Reesel,

    I think Denver would trade him to the Eastern Conference. However, he would would have to want to sign an extention in order for a team to trade for him. Therefore, it's easy to eliminate certain teams from contention.

    I don't believe Melo would want to play in these places for whatever reason.

    - Indiana
    - Milwaukee
    - Detroit
    - Cleveland
    - Toronto
    - Philadelphia
    - Boston
    - Miami

    That leaves these 6 teams.

    - Chicago
    - New York
    - Charlotte
    - Orlando
    - Atlanta
    - New Jersey

    Chicago can CLEARLY put together the best trade package out of those teams. Charlotte is close, but when you consider DIVISION, CITY and ROSTER the Bulls have the advantage.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I forgot Washington.

    They are young, so I doubt it, but that is his hometown team, so you never know.

    Although, if a trade were to go down, all they would have left is Melo and Wall.

    Good Luck with that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yep you're right Happy, lets just hope he sees it like that as well.

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    In reply to MrHappy:

    Since I've been called a HATER, maybe I should give some LOVE to the Bulls FO right now. Seriously, how amazing was that value contract they got Boozer on?? They just made their 7th off-season acquisition...and they're still shopping.

    Really glad we dodged that bullet on Redick.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    Red,

    Is this current 12-man Bulls' roster a championship team?

    Even though that's a rhetorical question, I'll forward to your response.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Red,

    And keep in mind, pro sports is ONLY about WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Welcome Bogans... and i am tired of the offseason already, let's start the season already.

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    In reply to MrHappy:

    Happy,

    I am all about winning championships.
    The Bulls are all about winning championships.
    Everyone on this board is all about winning championships.

    So why are you steady trying to win a sweepstakes??

    Melo's a pipe dream. That is all.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    Red,

    Melo can help the Bulls win a championship.

    This current 12-man roster isn't good enough to do it.

    The Bulls' brass should make that MELO-dream a REALITY, if they want to win.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i agree with shamburfan the bulls coulded do better even larry ayuso from Puerto Rico is a better 3 point shooter!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i have a question, does melo have a say if denver trades him?the other thing is is he he willing to come to chicago. i guess he will because the team is strong and he will have the chance for the championship. i think he'll be better in chicago than denver because does not have work hard to get he's shoots in denver he had a lot of weight on his shoulders and no help only billups and rose i going to be the best point guard in the league so you can write that now! so if he comes to chicago will be in the finals againt the lakers you can write that down to!

  • In reply to Richy:

    Richypr,

    Melo is a free-agent to be, so YES he does have a say in where he wants to be traded. A team WILL NOT trade for him, if they know he doesn't plan on signing a LONG-TERM extention with them.

    I think the Bulls could and should get in the running for his services.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Per K.C

    Bulls are still in the mix if POR is willing to trade him. IDK why POR is so hard to make a deal with. They need to let the guy go anyway so just trade him already.

    https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/20519437703

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    K.C. Johnson just can't stop STEALING other people's stuff.

    He wrote in his TRIB COLUMN that the Bulls were out of the RF sweepstakes, but I guess he changed his mind after reading what Sam Smith wrote on Bulls.com.

    I can't stand K.C. when he does crap like that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lets take a vote, who is more annoying

    KC Johnson or Mappy?

    To bad Vegas doesn't have a line on this one, I could retire.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    And who is more CLUELESS when it comes to knowing what pro sports is all about? That would be you.

    Go root for a grade school team. That's more your speed.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Late to the party, but in regards to picking up Bogans, any guy who starts for Pop and the Spurs(despite their serious downturn), and previously gets serious playing time for Orlando/Van Gundy, says he probably brings something to the table.

    A guy who's just so-so athletically(despite some nice hops), but has shot 38, 36, and 35% on somewhat volume threes in three of the past four seasons. Two years ago he launched 400 threes on 36% shooting.

    Defensively he's known as very solid, and knows all the tricks/angles on holding position, and not allowing penetration. After everything I've read about him, I'm not dissapointed at all with this pick-up.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    RoadWarrior,

    I don't mind the signing, but it can't be the last significant one, if the Bulls want to TITLE CONTENDERS. That's, at least, how I see it.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    You know all these trade debates I mean what did Riley have to trade for LeBron and Bosh? If the Bulls two stars(or now three with Boozer) can take the next step to superstar(Rose) and all-star/winning impact/second best center in the East Noah, then they could make it to the ECF.

    Again similar to the LeBron situation this could be the perfect team waiting for that second ultra-scoring star to pair with Rose and a loaded team.

    But as we've seen it might be more about who's your buddy club. I imagine Chris Paul and Amare more the buddying up types to attract Carmelo then a not so charismatic/outgoing Derrick Rose.

    That's not to say Derrick can't blossom into more of an eganging persona, and someone with substance who is a big time scorer and does fight for his place on the court with other players and the refs. But in some semse he has yet to do this. So he can be a superstar and a great guy to have on our team/the Bulls(really he is already, but he's got a ways to go too).

    But the maniacle/ego driven Chris Paul, Wade, LeBron, Wade's butt pal Rupaul Bosh, Amare, and now Carmelo are more likely birds of a feather that will flock together. Not in Chicago.

    We might have to quit dreaming about another stud FA, and just have to get the final piece the old fashioned way with our own or through trade early to mid teens lotto pick.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    If the Bulls can land Rudy somehow an the Blazers actually make a fair deal....we will have Rudy, Taj,Deng, Asik, Watson, Brewer,korver, and draft picks (and Charlottes pick) all up for trade to possibly land Melo. You can make a sign & trade to get Melo to stay with you long term. I think a deal could get done maybe mid season...that way we can let some of our players show their potential. But we will see what happens.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Chatty Cathy is at it again, we know your point the problem is , you keep repeting yourself over and over and over. Everytime someone says somehing you dont like, we get Melo shoved up our ass again. Try a different blog, where they might be interested in your opinion, everybody here is growing tired of it.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    mr.happy ignore this people they don't know about sports new era transactions! denver have 2 choices or they trade and get something back or they loose melo with nothing in return like what happen to cleveland and toronto. you think cleveland or toronto would love to get deng and gibson in return think about that you rookies!

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Rich,

    Right on brother.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Since were playing fantasy basketball, throw me in for wanting Melo. Denver is trying to sign him to an extension, not actively trying to trade him, and there is no way the deal is getting done for Deng and Gibson. You guys are dreaming. It aint happening, as much as I would like it to be.

  • In reply to stinger226:

    stinger,

    You don't know that.

    All the reports are saying that Melo doesn't plan on signing an extention.

    I think he does want to WIN and be in a bigger market. The Bulls give him that.

  • In reply to stinger226:

    Ok, so what team in the east or western conference could make a good deal for Denver to trade Melo. Denver would be a fool to trade him to any team in the west. And what team in the east besides the Bulls have the right pieces to make a trade for Melo and give him a chance to compete with the Heat. And don't say Orlando or Atlanta cause no one wants their garbage.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Amen to that.

    Let's see if these brilliant MELO HATERS can come up with a quality trade.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    When Garnett was traded, he was traded to the east. The same will happen with Melo if he is traded more than likely. But like I said who knows what may happen since the league is becoming a joke as far as free agency goes.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Reesel,

    Charlotte could give up Wallace and Mohammed.

    That's about it.

    Teams like Philly, Washington and New Jersey can put together decent packages, but those teams aren't playoff contenders, so I doubt Melo would want to go there. Although, he is from Baltimore so you never know.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    NOTE: The down-side of going to Charlotte would be that they are in the same division as Miami and Orlando.

    The Bulls would own the Central Division with Melo on their team. Owning the Central Division means a TOP 3 SEED in the Eastern Conference and a chance at the NBA Finals.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Reesel,

    What's the better trade for Melo and Denver?

    A.) Deng, Gibson, Johnson and Picks, including Charlotte's future #1

    or

    B.) Wallace, Muhammed and Picks

    * Keep in mind the DIVISIONS and the CITIES as well.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I like the Bogans pick up because he is a good defender. With him being a solid defender at 6'5" and, Brewer being a solide defender at 6'7", you know we have Wade and Lebron in mind.

    I was kind of hoping for Fernandez but we definitely don't need a cry-baby complaining about his minutes like he did in Portland. That's part of the reason we didn't get McGrady. So, I'm good with Bogans. And since we're looking for a shooter still, why not give Adam Morrison a shot. It wouldn't cost us much and therefore we'd have everything to gain if he shoots it well for us and, nothing to lose if he doesn't.

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    In reply to Reese1:

    Bogans huh? whatever. At least he's comfortable with the minutes available at the position. And he's a better playoff performer than Fernandez.

    Are we still looking for shooters? Hey, doesn't JJ shoot the three? I'm just sayin...

    Yeah, I'm all for Melo coming here too. But why stop there? If we hold out and make the right moves I'm sure we can get the reanimated bones of Wilt Chamberlain for Taj and a 2nd rounder.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    Red,

    Don't be a HATER. Melo makes the Bulls true title contenders.

    Does Deng or Johnson? NOPE.

  • In reply to Redwhitenblack:

    The Bulls proposal would be the better trade IMO but who knows what will happen. Like I said this Miami fiasco has me not having too much faith now in how deals get done in the NBA. TOO MUCH SHADDY B.S. going on.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Anybody who thinks that Denver will trade him for Deng, JJ and #1's and even some of Jerry's money is a complete idiot, I mean a COMPLETE IDIOT.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    Yeah...and you would rather settle for Deng and Dickey.

    Reality Check...those two guys aren't in Melo's league.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    IF you have even been reading what I or anyone else posts on this site you would know that I called JJ Dickey Simpkins the very first time that I ever heard of him, well before you ever started.

    Also, I have called for dumping Deng for years, right about the time of the initial contract dispute. I stated that the Bulls core(Deng, Gordon and Hinrich) all had to go for the Bulls to contend.

    And, actully they are currently both in Melo's league, it is called the NBA, check the rosters.

    You really can be a total douche, I would say at times, but unfortunately for the rest of us, it is most of the time.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    Well, I think the deal the Bulls could put together is just as good as any other team in a MAJOR MARKET can put together.

    Everything I have heard says that if he gets traded, he wants to go to a MAJOR MARKET where he can WIN. If that's true, then Chicago makes a lot of sense on a lot of levels.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Is Miami a Major Market, or even a MAJOR MARKET?

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Well of course... Bulls know that!

    Denver's dilemma is ending up like Toronto and Cleveland getting almost nothing for Bosh and LeBron when they became free agents. But does Carmelo now want that same freedom as a FA to decide his own destiny? He may not sign an extension with Denver, Bulls or any team.

  • In reply to Edward:

    Edward,

    I think if Melo comes to the Bulls and Chicago, he'll WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS and be here for the rest of his career.

    I hope a trade gets done, sooner than later, but just make it happen.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I will guarantee that the Bulls cannot acquire Melo without including Noah in a deal, which makes it very hard to sign off on that deal as a Bulls fan.

    Most likely even Deng and Noah won't be enough, so forget about Taj and JJ.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Denver already has big men so they might not want Noah. They would be losing their leading scorer who plays the small forward position so they would be looking for wing players.

  • In reply to Edward:

    I like the signing, while Rudy is the better player the fact he is upset with his role in Portland causes doubt he would embrace a 2nd unit role with Bulls. I also like the flexability all these 2-3 year deals provide if that elite SG can be aquired in a trade and we have to do soemthing with Deng. Even with the Heat's newest editions of Queen James and Chris 'Rupaul' Bosh we can compete.

  • In reply to bootyquake:

    Booty,

    As S.S. says, the Bulls still have money to spend, so Rudy could still be in play.

    Or perhaps they are looking elsewhere. Who knows? I don't have too much faith in this group of clowns we have running the Bulls organization.

  • SAM SMITH:

    Plus, leagues sources say the Bulls remain very much alive in the potential discussions for Fernandez if the Trailblazers decide to trade him. To this point, sources say Portland is holding back on any trade of Fernandez. But with cap room remaining the Bulls are in play in other trade scenarios for a wing player or big man.

  • Agreed and well said, a solid role player not looking to be anything more than a role player, will probably be a good teammae and accept his role, however limited.

    A safe choice. However, I agree with Doug, my first reaction was one of dissappointment because this almost certainly means that the Bulls do not expect to acquire Rudy.

  • Doug,

    I'd like their chances a HELL of a lot better with Carmelo Anthony on the team. Unless Deng turns into an All-Star, the Bulls are only Division winners, at best.

  • Doug,

    Where can the get a better offer?

    He doesn't want to play in a SMALL MARKET. He wants to increase his public exposure, like a DWADE, KOBE and LBJ.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I can't believe that it took me this long to figure it out.

    Mappy, you are World Wide Wes. From now on you shall be known in these parts as World Wide Mappy.

    HOw else could you possibly get into the mind of every NBA player, coach, GM and owner and always know exactly what they are thinking.

  • Doug,

    Accept he doesn't want to be in Portland and I highly doubt Denver would trade Melo to a Division opponent.

    Come on Doug. I know you are smarter than that.

  • ANOTHER QUESTION:

    What did Minnesota get for KG?

    http://www.theknicksblog.com/2010/08/06/source-nuggets-may-explore-kg-type-deal/

    I have to believe the Bulls can put together a KG-type deal for Melo.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If they can't, then they should DUMP DENG and go after MELO via free-agency.

  • GOOD LAUGH:

    This guy is killing Isiah and the Knicks.

    http://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN

  • Problem is... who would that stud guard be???

  • Agreed.

    JJ and a two 1st rounders would get it done. I don't know what Bulls management is thinking.

    Potential Lineup:
    Rose/Paul
    Kobe/Brewer
    Deng/Korver
    Boozer/Gibson
    Howard/Noah

    Obviously, this team still couldn't win a championship though due to the fact there isn't a future hall of famer at SF.

    So we might have to part with Gibson (and a 1st rounder) and still go after Carmelo.

    Let's all STEP UP.

  • Little happy, It is always about winning championships, that doesnt mean other teams will just give you players, because of that. Melo doesnt have final say on where he goes, if he wants to leave Denver, they are not going to be his buddy. They need to get back a future star type, if Melo leaves, because he is the Denver Nuggets. Deng and Gibson, arent that player. Some other teams in the East can offer lower draft picks and some younger players with more upside than us. Its not that I dont want Melo, just have to be realist. Your right, we are just a good team, not capable of winning all of it, but can only hope Rose and Noah advance their skills enough to potencially get us closer.

  • In reply to stinger226:

    Baby stinger,

    Yes...MELO does have a say in where he wants to go. He's a free-agent to be.

    You need to realize that NO TEAM is going to TRADE FOR MELO, if he doesn't plan on signing a LONG-TERM EXTENTION with that team.

    Chicago has an advantage when you look at ROSTER, CITY and DIVISION.

    STOP BEING SO DAMN NEGATIVE when it comes to the Bulls going after the BEST PLAYERS IN THE LEAGUE. I know you have a CRUSH on Luol Deng and James Johnnson, but those guys won't win the Bulls a championship.

    Melo could.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Deng, JJ, Gibson, picks, and cash won't get it done. Denver wants more and can get it.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    zen,

    Get it from who? Come up with a better trade?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Denver wants at least a potential all-star caliber player, which means Noah, at minimum, plus multiple other quality players and picks from the Bulls. This is a starting negotiation and would not go down.

    Competing proposal teams can offer a current or late-career all-star player, an up-and-coming potential all-star, role players and/or picks.

  • In reply to zentastic:

    zen,

    Come up with a trade then. Let's see it.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why can't you get it through your thick head that everybody on this site would prefer Anthony over Deng and anybody else on the Bulls not named Rose and Noah.

    However, everybody else on this site(except for you) can see that it is obvious even to a 2 year old that Denver isn't trading Melo for other teams scaps, no matter how many times you repeat it.

    In stead of bombarding us with this crap, why don't you direct your dimensia at the Denver FO, maybe if you pester them as much as you do us they will capitulate and just give us Melo so that they won't have to hear from you every five seconds with the same trade proposal.

    You really need to consider pyschological help, Lithium would be a good start.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,

    Get it through your IMMATURE head that Melo is a free-agent to be and Denver's front office may have NO CHOICE, but to trade him, given the report that he doesn't plan on signing an extention in Denver.

    Don't be a CHILD.

    This is pro sports we are talking about. Maybe you should go follow a grade school team, since you are CLUELESS to reality that pro sports is about WINNING.

  • as I mentioned above, is Rose better than Wade? no. Is Melo better than Lebron? hell no. Is Boozer better than Bosh?(not necessarily my opinion), but the entire league thinks Bosh is a max max player, and Boozer got 5 years at far less than the max, so that sounds like hell no again.

    As I said the Bulls may indeed someday beat the heat, and it will be by being a better team(especially on defense) but Carmelo is not the type of guy who will make us the better team

    Again, check the ESPN link that I posted.
    Doug, this opinion should resonate strongly with you, given what you value and don't value in a player.

    Despite saying all of this, obviously I would trade Deng, JJ and #1(s) for Melo, but we were discussing Melo wanting to join the Bulls rather than going elsewhere to have the best chance to beat MIami and the Lakers.

  • You are indeed correct, but would he really send enough cash(logistics aside) to cover Melo's salary as was proposed by the delusional one (Mappy)

  • The author doesn't say that Anthony won't get max money, in fact he guarantees it, just like you argued about Bosh, by the way. He just does a statisical analysis of Anthony and concludes that he is not worth the money given the leagues salary structure. HIs analysis shows a particular understanding of NBA economics and player evaluation.

    IN fact his analysis of Anthony as a player hits on your holy grail of stats(the very one by which you always use to defend the existance of Ben Gordon), Volume vs efficient scorer

    from the perspective of the real world and the competitive world of the NBA 90% plus of the league is vastly overpaid. It is the less than 1% of guys who are actully capable of leading a team to a championship that are massively underpaid.

    Michael, Kobe, Larry, Magic and those type guys can never come close to being paid what they are worth in a socialist system.

    Other than those type of guys, of which there are never more than about 5 to 10 in the league at any given time there are no players worth even $10 million per year on an objective basis, they are all just interchangeable parts, just like the rest of us are at our jobs.

    There are very, very few superstars in life or in the NBA. True Genious is the massive exception not the rule.

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