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Bulls not on Melo's list [yet]

At least based on the yahoo sports piece discussing the breakup, the Bulls don't appear to be in the running:

The Nuggets made it clear to teams they want young players and draft picks for Anthony, league executives said. The New Jersey Nets and Los Angeles Clippers have emerged as the two most probable destinations for Anthony because they have assets that appeal to Denver. The geography works for Anthony because of his wife LaLa Vazquez's entertainment career.

Golden State and Houston are contenders, too. What's more, the Charlotte Bobcats are a sleeper because of Anthony's Brand Jordan shoe deal and the team's ability to give the Nuggets a salary-dump proposal.

Well, as I've long said, the Bulls simply don't have the pieces to get a deal done.   Would the Clippers give up Blake Griffin for Melo?   The Nets are likely willing to give up on Favors, and it probably takes Griffin to trump that deal if the two are in the running.

The Bobcats idea is completely assinine unless the Nuggets just want out with no talent at all.  They have nothing to give up.   Even their draft picks are on hold because the Bulls own a five year protected pick which means they can't give them a draft choice until two seasons after the Bulls collect theirs.

Golden State has some players (Ellis, Curry), but I don't think they've got a ton to offer either.

Houston has a host of middling assets and picks to offer and plenty of decent players, but no sure fire stars, though it'd be highly amusing if they traded all the junk NY gave them just to take on Jeffries in order to get Anthony simply because NY would have lost out on him due to their pursuit of James indirectly.

Most of the time in these cases, you know you're not going to give up equal value in terms of getting that star player, but there typically needs to be one marquee piece on the table from a team to get something done.  NY Picks (Hou), Favors (NJ), Griffin or Gordon (LAC), or Curry (GS) seem to be the 'young talent' available from these teams.

Could the Bulls get involved?   Well so far we haven't seen them connected on Melo's list, however we know New York is on the list and the Knicks weren't mentioned here either.   If something gets done then it's likely that Luol Deng needs to go to a third team to offer Denver more salary relief.

It's hard to find the trade that really fits in this case.   Would the Bobcats give up Dampier for Luol Deng to help the Bulls get Melo?   Would the Mavericks get involved and give up Caron Butler for Deng to facilitate expirings?   If either team is interested in Melo then they'd probably rather get involved for Melo than Deng.  There's probably other teams out there, but the same type of thing applies. 

Still, interesting to see that Melo is likely on his way out.  I'd like the Bulls to get involved even though I think it's generally not likely they can make the best offer, so I won't be upset if it doesn't happen.

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  • As I said, how much can you trust Adrian Wojonarowski or World Wide Wes?

    A.W. and WWW had LBJ going to the Bulls. Also, A.W. gave a radio interview to the Score 670 saying that he didn't think that Amar'e wanted to re-unite with D'Antoni in NY.

    I'm not saying their report isn't true, but I have my reservations.

    Maybe the Bulls' brass learned their lesson and have decided to stay quiet.

    We'll see, soon enough.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The only person to trust when it comes to rumors is Stephen A Smith, as we all have learned.

    God that still makes me queasy thinking about Smith reporting a "done deal" with LeGay, Bosh, & Wade to Miami before free agency even started.

  • RPK,

    I'm right there with you. I put that out there weeks and weeks ago.

    Even before Blog-a-Bull or anyone else jumped on that bandwagon.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I am with you two, I'll do the same offer as well most Bulls fans will do that offer.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    WINNING MATTERS:

    I believe Carmelo Anthony wants to win championships.

    How can he do that if teams like Houston, New Jersey and New York give up their young supporting cast and depth to get him? It's not likely. Therefore, why would he sign a long-term extention with those teams?

    On the other hand, the Bulls can give up Deng, Gibson and Johnson and still have the depth to win it all. That combined with a large sports market/city give Melo plenty of reasons to sign a long-term extention with the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You make a very good valid point but anything can happen and strange things happen in the NBA. Look at what happen this past summer free agency period.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    That offer is.....how should I put this......****ING RETARDED BECAUSE IT'S NOT ****ING ENOUGH!!!!!

    The end....you lose...thanks for playing.

    What about that don't you get? It may work in a video game or trade machine....but any Denver GM who makes that deal should immediately stand up, walk outside, get in his car, and immediately go to the unemployment line. It makes no sense from Denver's perspective. It would make the Gasol trade look genius. Just....stop....

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    That wouldn't even come close on a video game! Are you kidding?
    The only way it works is if the Nuggets hire someone as GM whom the Bulls are very friendly with.
    A Garnet to Boston kind of shady deal.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    Its ridiculous:

    JJ has no value, maybe a 2nd round pick at most

    Deng has negative value, thats right, negative. You would have to give something of value away, just for some team to take him right now.

    The Charlotte pick is 2-5 years away, and is not guaranteed to be great by any means.

    Taj is great value right now, but low upside, and facoring in the privious 3 assests, it would pretty much come down to Gibson f/ Melo

    NOT GONNA HAPPEN

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I just took a look at Carmelo's stats.

    The dude has shot well above 45% for three of the last four years. His boards what six or more a game. Three assists a game. And he shot 3's at 35% or better two years in a row/recently.

    While I think he looks a little sleepy eyed and mischevious, I haven't seen anything from the last couple of years that says he's a bad guy or not a competitor.

    I think if D-Rose comes on this year big time 25ppg and up/Bulls are third in the ECF/Noah takes another huge leap etc. then maybe he decides he wants to come here. But then again maybe he doesn't. We've seen the texting/buddy buddy scenraio with Wade/Lebron and that could be Anthony's angle as well.

    So if we trade do we get an extension, or hope he resigns with us next summer? If there's no sign and trade/extension then I'm not interested.

    It seems like we'd have to give up Noah to get Carmleo/young star talent Doug spoke of unless Anthony goes somewhere else on a contract expiring at the end of the season. Would I trade Noah?
    Probably not. If Joakim takes another big step this year say 13-14ppg on Dennis like 13-14 boards then no f-ing way do i trade him. If a miracle happened, and Asik did show some defensive prowess, and could get a scrappy 10ppg off cuts and boards it's possible, but I doubt highly Asik will have the muscle/weight to D it up effectively against the big boys. Plus, Joakim is such a good kid, and a warrior. I just don't want to stab him in the back. he's come through in the playoffs, and he stood up to LeBron. We need him.

    Outside of Joakim I don't think we'd have a chance at Melo. But if by some miracle we could send Taj and Deng with the Charlotte No.1 I'd have to do that deal. And aside from Deng's contract he really has come back from a down period of a year and a half to be a pretty good player(including in second halfs/he's done better there). Plus if Thib's has the knowledge and savvy to set up players off of doubles and in the corner threes, and Deng's production rises considerably(250 or above threes at 35% or greater) then his value rises considerably in my view.

    If this team gels, and Derrick, Joakim, and Lu take off I'd feel bad trading Lu and Taj, but again I'd have to make that deal for Melo given his young age, prolific scoring, and excpetional field goal percentage and high PERS(nod to Doug). Oh, and look at his free throw attempts 9's and 7's per game! Yeah, I'd definitely give them anything but Derrick, Joakim, and Booz for this guy.

    But again it's a buddy buddy(Wade/LeBron) new frontier so probably nto going to happen/Melo to Bulls. Unless D does some serious upgradin' this season.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    LeBron would have had a better team if he took Wade to Chicago, thats a fact.
    Its not always about being in the best position to win with these guys. They always say it is, but keep this in mind, their egos are not the size of your & mine. They think they can win almost anywhere (ie the place without their current roset of losers, and the team that will pay them close to the most)

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    His ego is so big, he'll have no difficulty convincing himself he can win multiple titles in New York, Houston, Golden State, wherever

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Ok Mr Nappy, we believe you! Yeash! That still doesn't mean Denver would ever take that.

  • And for what is is worth, I'll say it again.

    Luol Deng's contract isn't that bad in this case.

    Denver would be getting a top 10 SF, who would be making less $ than Melo does on a yearly basis. In fact, Deng, Gibson and Johnson combined would save Denver $3 to $5 million dollars a year over the next 4 seasons.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Coming from you? Its not worth that much.

  • I really don't like this idea ... at least not like this.

    Everyone seems more than ready to give away half our team to get Melo ... and I don't think he's worth it.

    The most I'd want to give up would be Deng, Johnson, and a 1st rounder. I just don't think he's worth it.

    Carmelo is more talented ... no doubt, but the jump from Deng to Carmelo isn't worth that big of a offer ...

    Comparing their careers, Deng has a better FG% and 3PT%, more rebounds, plays better defense, in less minutes ... he's just 9ppg shy. (Yes, I know that's a considerable amount)
    But you get all that without the superstar attitude and the poor leadership.

    Take him for a decent price, but not for half the team.

    Besides, if Melo really wanted to come here to try and win a championship, why would he want us to gut the team for him? Deng would have to go, and maybe a couple draft picks. But if you were Melo and you were looking for a team that could contend, would you want them to give up half their bench to get you? It might be different if this was the start of free agency and we could lure a few good FA's here on the promise of winning it all, but they are all pretty much gone now.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    I disagree. Forget the stats, rankings etc.. Melo is a top 10 talent in the league considering all positions. Plus, he is entering his prime and is not injury prone. I don't think we have the pieces to get him unless we give up Noah. The attention he will get will make Rose, Boozer and others super players. Deng doesn't do that. We just cannot base everything on his career until now....teammates, coaching, maturity all play a role.
    If we are getting Melo, I would say we can wait for a year to rebuild the team and fit pieces around him, Boozer and Rose.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Honestly, it's probably less about stats for me than just about anything when it comes to Carmelo.

    When I look at Carmelo I see Superstar level talent and bench player level Leadership and attitude. *shrug*

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Silverwulf,

    I suppose Melo having bench level talent is what led the CUSE to an NCAA title when Melo was a freshman? Or perhaps it helped lead TEAM USA to an Olympic Gold Medal.

    I don't buy what you are saying at all.

    Melo is a leader. He's proven that all ready.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    He's proven NOTHING ... period. Get serious.

    Yeah, a talented Syracuse team won the championship. Big deal. This isn't college ball. He wasn't a team leader.

    Led the USA team? Are you nuts?
    Kobe and Wade led that team, with some help from Lebron's freakish athleticism.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    I don't think he is so bad as you make out to be but I don't think he is an attitude for winning like Kobe either. But, he doesn't need that here. I feel he is a little bit like LBJ and maybe ready to play the secondary leader role to Rose in a couple of years. But I am not sure if he is ready to check that ego right away. I would guess he would go to a team which has an equivalent superstar kind of player like what LBJ did with Wade.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Silverwulf,

    3 players doesn't make up a HALF of a team.

    Deng and Gibson makes the Bulls VERY GOOD, but Melo makes this team great.

    He's a DIFFERENCE-MAKER, unlike Deng, Gibson and Johnson.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yeah, because Melo has been such a "difference maker" for the Nuggets. He's done such a fine job of leading the Nuggets ... to no where.

    It was no surprise at all that the Nuggets were ecstatic to get rid of Iverson and bring in a team leader like Billups. Why? Maybe because they knew they didn't already have one.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So my take on it is Melo can do every thing Deng does, and MORE. He can rebound, shoot, play defense, but he can also take over a game and can hit clutch three pointers. He would make it hard to double Boozer and also lead to some great screen and roll game with Rose. I have been watching Melo improve since he entered the NBA. He is at the point he could be a key piece on a Championship team. And with Rose, Noah, & Boozer already the Bulls would fit the kind of team he can help take to the finals.

  • In reply to Silverwulf:

    Yes, Melo is incrediblly inefficient.

  • I really don't trust even Woj from Yahoo Sports. I am not saying these guys lie. But they are getting news from these "sources" who might be close to Melo but not really in that inner circle. After the LBJ news fiasco, I will take all this news with a grain of salt.
    Going by your example of how Charlotte looks like a long shot but it is out there as a rumor shows how unreliable this reports are...

  • LMAO

  • Melo wants his cake and he wants to eat it to.

    The only reason that he will play nice with Denver is because they are the only team that can give him $22 million per.

    It sounds like Kroenke(Denver owner) is one of those surly old bastards who is rich enough to tell Melo to F himslef or take the deal that Denver wants. I am sure that the other owners are rooting for him, to get the power back from the players.

    Melo brings a unique ability to be a volumn scorer, but isn't that what we all expect Rose to be, and to a lesser extent even Boozer.
    How many teams have 2 or 3 volumn scorers.

    As much as I am not a fan of Deng, I am interested to see how he looks as the 4rth best player as opposed to the 2nd best.

    Would I trade Deng for Melo, obviously. Does Reinsdorf want to pay Melo $22 million vs $12 million per over the next 3 years, I doubt it.

    So now you have 4 hurdles to over come, Melo's willingness to play for the Bulls, Denver accepting Deng as the basis for Melo, besting all the other better offers, and Reinsdorfs willingness to pay Melo #22 million per.

    Do you want to be the team paying Melo $22 million while Lebron and Wade are making $14,15,16.

    I think that the last hurdle will be the proverbial dealbreaker, so much so that I say the Bulls don't even get in the Melo sweepstakes.

    The more that I see, hear and read of Melo the more that I think he is a punk ass bitch who would destroy the budding chemistry of the Bulls.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Bigway,
    You bring up a very valid point! Reinsdorf is primarily a 'bottom line' owner. Yes, he wants to win, but not at the expense of a major luxury tax penalty.

    With Boozer and Deng plus Noah and Rose extended Bulls will be in/near tax territory even without Melo. Adding Melo would make Bulls a major luxury tax payer.

    I think Melo would be an excellent addition to Bulls if we could also keep Noah. But as you say Melo at $22mil vs. Wade/LeBron/Bosh making around $15mil is not a good bargain. And Miami is nowhere near the luxury tax.

    Bulls are still an elite scorer/wing away from being a true title contender. But logistically its going to be challenging to add that next all-star player. Reinsdorf may wait for the new CBA before he makes any big moves.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    NBC Sports is listing Chicago as one of Carmelo's preferred locations. Glad to see Chicago in the mix even though the odds are long at best.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/apparently-camelo-anthony-doesnt-want-a-title-just-wants-out.php

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Agree with most of what you said BW. However, I don't think Rose or Boozer are "volume" scorers...they are both fairly efficient. Melo would be the perfect fit(3pt shooting, clutch shooting, good FT shooting, high IQ) and a starting lineup of Rose, Brewer, Melo, Boozer, Noah immediately becomes the 2nd or 3rd best starting lineup in the NBA(Behind LA and Mia).

  • In reply to BigWay:

    really because you can know a persons life threw a game.. if anything he acta like his nickname "melo".. theres no way in the world we get melo wothout giving up noah.. none..

    only deal i can think of is trading for gortat,nene or pray that denver could send martin to gs and we get biedrins for just jj and something.. possible.. theres also kendrick perkins and maybe priz..

    point is .. noah has tp be included and i dont see melo wanting chicago.. he wants chris paul..

    example(n.o,nyk& char are on his list.. pauls dream(nyk) pauls team(n.o) pauls home(char) and sneaker team(both melo and paul under jordan..

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I would'nt deal for melo he can score but can't defend we have a pretty good defence with deng ,gibson

  • Right....our best offer isn't even close to other multiple teams. Agreed.

  • I agree, & Houston is a great team to go to, but no team offers the chance of winning we do, not at the same level at least. But we don't have enough to get it done so it doesn't matter. I wouldn't give up Noah for him.

  • I'm not hoping for a damn thing, those grapes are way out of our reach, but who wants them anyways, they are probably sour.

  • Like Doug has stated several times, Melo is not coming to Chicago, there's no interest and theres no players that both sides would agree on.

  • you guys really overrate our players sometimes or all the time when we talk about trades..

    nyk picks arent lottery bound and thats not even houstons best deal.. with lee they can part ways with martin, with hayes and patterson they can parts ways with hill.. with that take on someone,offer then the nyk and thei own pick and include cash that blows away our deal..becuase they want someone with all star talent,future talent and a young big since all of theirs are old.:

    just because we have 1 pick from char doesnt mean they cant ever trade one..
    gerald wallace,cash,draft picks,swap draft picks.. and i didnt even look at the team and contracts yet an so far they will be more better..

    why? because melo is making it clear.. he wants chria paul as his point guard..

    why else would houston(aaron brooks and even more pieces for n.o than anyother team)
    new orleans themselves,
    nyk
    nj
    & orlando be ahead of a team with a market,two allstars,a storied franchise and only one piece away..

    if rose didnt recruit lebron wht makes him do it now that hes busy(usa & new team)

    let it go...

    melo wanta paul .. stop dreaming about our deal... 3 team trades rarely get done and teams usually have history..most teams at this point dont want to take on contracts.. and with talented players teams will overrate and fustrate pthers in the deal and pull away...

    it wont happend.. nor should it(we will have to part ways with noah if we want to entice tem with deng)

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