McGrady likely not coming to Chicago

If you've been following Sam Smith or K.C. Johnson, you'd know that presently it looks unlikely the Bulls will offer a contract to McGrady.

Tracy McGrady left the Berto Center on Monday without a contract
offer after working out for roughly an hour and then meeting with Bulls
management after lunch.

This time, it wasn't McGrady's choice.

....

According
to two people who witnessed the workout, McGrady shot the ball well but
didn't move with much fluidity or exhibit superior conditioning. Andy
Greer, who served as an assistant with the Rockets along with coach Tom
Thibodeau when McGrady played there, led the workout.

Those two
coaches' familiarity with McGrady, as well as Rose's public lobbying for
him that stems, in part, from their shared agency, represent McGrady's
best chance at landing a Bulls offer. Yet no definitive decision has
been made, and one league source who spoke with Bulls management said he
wouldn't be surprised if the Bulls passed.

Another source said management has considered a non-guaranteed deal
near the veteran's minimum of $1.35 million if an offer is made, but
that an offer is unlikely.

For those still pining for McGrady, I would offer you this rationale on why if the Bulls pass on him it's probably for the best.

First, let's face it, no one wants McGrady for what he's done in the past two seasons where he's been more or less epically terrible.  We remember the completely dominant Tracy McGrady from many years ago, the seven time all-star, and hope that we could somehow get that guy back for next to nothing.

That's not going to happen.  The Knicks had a long look at him last season and weren't interested in bringing him back.  The Clippers, who'd do almost anything for a box office draw, passed on him for Rasual Butler.   The Bulls have looked at him now, and reports state it that he doesn't have good mobility anymore.

That old Tracy McGrady is simply gone.

At one point, do you accept that this guy likely can't play at a high level any more?  How many franchises need to look at him closely and say "no thanks" before you stop thinking all the talent evaluators are crazy?

Those clamoring about the Bulls inability to take risks with his personality or attitude are wrong.  If they were unwilling to entertain those things then they wouldn't have brought him in for the workout.  

They clearly considered signing him if he looked healthy.  They wouldn't waste their time.   Thibodeau worked with him for three years in Houston, so obviously the Bulls had a fair understanding of him as a person prior to bringing him in for a workout.

This isn't about attitude at all.  It's about on court play.  It's not about what a guy did in the past, but about what he's going to do this year and in the future.   If the Bulls, as I presently expect, don't sign McGrady it will simply be because he no longer has the basketball talent left to help this team.

The numbers from last year support that.  The reports about his movement in this workout support that.   The reaction of other teams who've looked at him support that.

We want McGrady because of the glimmer of hope that we can get an all-star for cheap, but that's an illusion.  It's not going to happen.  That's not what he can do right now.  If it was, he would have left the Berto center with a contract in hand.

He didn't.

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  • Thanks you for finally making rationale.

    I hate the fact that people think his attitude or anything is keeping him from being a Bulls or not. It was what he could do on the court that mattered.

    I want this team to be better, and maybe Mcgrady dos that but it seems he doesnt.

    Maybe the Bulls wanna see if they can swing two guys with the 3 million reaming instead of just tmac. But if we signed him, at least we gave him a fair shot. Thats all I wanted.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    I can't speak for others, but when I make an argument against his attitude, it's not me claiming it's going to keep him from being a Bull. It's me saying that's why I don't want him to be a Bull. If there wasn't an attitude risk, I'd be all for paying him the minimum for a shot at him getting himself productive.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    His attitude did matter. If he came in with an attitude of "I just want to help the young guys get better, show them how they need to prepare night in and night out, and push them in practice", then the bulls might have given him the Lindsey Hunter treatment. But he didn't. He talked about how he and Boozer would make the team better...

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    It seems McGrady's mind set is wrong for this team.....I want injury insurance in this last spot not a developmental guy nor and older vet who still thinks he is a star (who never won a playoff series..RED FLAG!)

  • I agree. His ability to be back in shape was key to our decision. If he did not prove to be near his old self, then no regret.

  • Out of whats still available out there, I still think a hobble Mcgrady is better than a Eddie house or D leaguers. I'm not upset that they're not giving him a contract, I just dont see anyone else worth spending money on. I've loved all the players the bulls brought in and would trust that the team knows Mcgrady is not even a shell of who he used to be, but we need to fill the last spot or two with competent players in case of injuries.

  • How can you find that out in one hour though? If he is willing to prove himself in training camp why not let him? If its about what he can provide on the court and not his attitude than giving him a shot isn't that bad of an idea. Even if him at 60-70% is better than Brewer and Korver at 100%...why not take him?

  • Doug are you happy about this or not? How you feel about not getting McGrady since you were pro Shaq.

  • That's too bad, but makes sence. Why would the Clippers who would take just about anyone to bring in the fans and away from the other LA team pass on him? Same with the Knicks. I still think we should allow him to practice with the team and see how it goes. It's too bad a 7 time All-Star has a major knee injury/surgery and then can't even sign for the vet minimum. Especially one that is 6'8" and can/could play SG/SF.

  • Athleticism is probably more important with SGs, SFs, PGs than Centers..That's why you see old centers hanging around while most of these old SGs quickly lose their ability including getting a shot off when confronted with good NBA defense. I think the Bulls would sign somebody like House, Bogans for a min 1 year contract and wait/see how the trade market develops.
    I can't believe some people are suggesting that TMAC at 70% is better than a Roger Mason or Eddie House. TMAC is like a completely wrecked Bentley which can just be towed or go around the block but nothing more compared to House/Mason who are like an old and running KIA that will move for a few miles consistently without breaking down but cannot go long distances.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Interesting future topic...Bulls as Cars

    Brad Miller was like my 2002 Buick LeSabre.
    Derrick Rose is the 67 Mustang I never owned.
    Taj Gibson is my 97 4Runner, dependable, tough, takes a beating but keeps on running.

    You get the idea.

  • In reply to rkraneis:

    ohhhh, i like this game!
    Noah is a Pontiac Aztek - butt ugly, but after a while you come to love it

    Boozer is a Ford Bronco - tough and can bang and look good occasionally, but tends to break down every once in a while

    Deng is a Nissan Maxima - a good solid all-around performer, but not something anyone would truly aspire to own some day

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think the Bulls are gonna pass on McGrady.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I am thrilled that I won't have to look at that shit eating grin that McGrady always seems to have on his face.

    I never wanted him, and attitude is the reason.

    the Bulls have had a great offseason, signing what seems like a bunch of great guys, team oriented guys. Mcgrady is not now, and never has been a great guy or a team guy.

    Signing McGrady would have been completely counter to everything that we have done this offseason, and for the past few years in acquiring high character guys and weeding out the malcontents.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I know this is a little off topic Bigway can anyone suggest a good website to find boats for sale by owner in Chicago?

  • In reply to chicagocutie:

    I don't understand why you ask that here. If you can use a blog site...why can't you use a search engine? Yahoo? Google?

  • In reply to chicagocutie:

    If there are that many people shouting something negative or positive more often then not there's something to it.

    People who wanted to take a chance on McGrady as a spot minutes catalyst I can understand that.

    People who witnessed his anti-team attitude and actions with the Rockets, and therefore didn't want him colliding with a newly forming, maleable team chemistry then I understand that too.

    Honestly, what dissapoints me is that people tried to completely write off the attitude issues and actions. If you don't realize he abandoned his team, and that they played much better without him. He's made so many me centered comments which evidences his actions in life. Defense is about team play and committment. McGrady's defense? Subpar at best for many, many years.

    It's just dissapointing when things become so subjective and juvenile that we can't even have an honest discussion.

    The worst part was people willing to cast aside quality performers and character guys like Brewer. We made a committment to him that he would be a major part of this team. He scored 14ppg on 50% shooting with nearly two steals a game in around 27 minutes a game. Are you kidding me? This guy was pursued by the nearly two time world champion Boston Celtics for a reason. Deron Williams was absoluetly pissed when this guy was traded.

    And yet several McGrady supporters were prepared to just cast him and our committment to him aside if McGrady played well. And someone just uttered the nonsense that McGrady at 60-70% is better then Ronnie Brewer.

    I don't know. The Bulls have put together an excellent team now in my view. If Derrick takes the next step like I think he will, and with Thib's and all these athletic talented defensive catalysts: Brewer, Taj, Noah, hopefully somewhat Rose will now emerge as one, and Boozer/a legit post big coming on board. And the C.J Watson pick-up could be big. Asik to me, along with Boozer's injuries/history of sitting, is the only real question mark due to his penchant for injuries and horrid free throw shooting/second half hack-aAsik liability.

    I'm just not sure some(not all) of the McGrady fanatics for a guy who really has been kind of a turd to his teammates not to mention fans, I'm not sure you really deserve the team the Bulls have put together.

    Roger Mason, Eddie House, or whoever they sign unless it's a trade for someone unexpected, or Rose just goes crazy for team USA there's really not much more to say.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    When I said 60-70% of McGrady could be better than Brewer/Korver at 100% this is what I meant: if McGrady outperformed those guys in training camp and he's not 100% of where he used to be why should he not start? If he earns it then he should start. Brewer himself said that his impression was that if he "proved himself" in camp then he would be the starter. That's easy to do with no competition. But if McGrady could show that he was the better player why shouldn't he be given the chance?

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    I think Mcgrady should go overseas to play in China like Marbury. He's supposedly a star on that team over there and maybe they can treat T-mac like a star too, since that's the way he wants to be treated. Maybe they could get Shaq and iverson over there too and start a Chinese baseball dynasty

    Marbury, Iverson, Mcgrady, Pf, Shaq

    Yep, i think that would solve their problems...

  • In reply to chicagocutie:

    He was riddled with injuries those last two seasons. He has had time to rest his injuries. If he is healthy than he should be given a shot. The Bulls would look worse if McGrady went to another team, say the Heat, and was the 6th man of the year! If they sign him and he doesn't produce they can put him in a bench role or cut their ties with him...just give him a chance.

  • In reply to chicagocutie:

    this is clearly a troll - check out "chicagocutie's" profile. All of her/his/its comments are all strangely similar...hmmmm....

  • The point is talking about willingly throwing aside a character guy like Brewer for a turd teammate like McGrady OK?

    Obviously if you can get a Jason Richardson he can start, and Brewer would still hopefully find a real committment and a lof of minutes because your word should stand for something, and he's a productive player.

  • God you are the guy who still thinks Dwyane Wade was seriously considering coming to Chicago. What a joke.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Referring to #1Bullsfan.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    You say the Bulls gave their word Brewer would start right? But Brewer did not actually say that. All I'm saying is that they both should be given a chance to prove they are worthy of starting.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    I'm with #1Bullsfan on this one. Brewer came in and stated that as far as he knew he was the starter of this team. Well he was the only shooting guard here. What's the problem with giving TMAC a chance to prove that he can start. This is the NBA right? Don't players compete for jobs in the NBA? Come on guys, stop making too much out of this. If we don't sign TMAC, it's because he clearly sucked during the workout yesterday. A lot of people are hating and saying he was horrible, like K.C and Sam Smith. I'm hearing from other sources that it actually went well and the Bulls were surprised. I don't know who to believe anyway and the word "source" doesn't help. Let's just wait to hear from the Bulls and TMAC and then we can put the case to rest.

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    SIGN HIM...TRADE DICKEY:

    http://realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/68388/20100727/suns_expected_to_let_amundson_walk/

    Then trade Dickey for a SG. That would be TERRIFIC.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We just got Kurt Thomas. I think we're good down low.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    The more BIGS the better. Assets are a good thing for BIG TRADES.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Sign him for what? We have enough big guys now that he will not get any minutes. And if he has not be signed yet...that tells you how much he is worth in the trade market...

    Do you think the Bulls FO is sitting around and not trying for a trade? We all know what has happened and need some patience for the trade market to open up..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaum,

    Think outside the box for once.

    Let's say Melo becomes available and the Bulls decide to make a run at him. I'm guessing Taj Gibson would have to be included in that deal. Having an extra big, like Amundson, could then come in handy.

    Don't you think?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    schaum,

    The same can apply for Rudy Fernandez.

    What if the Bulls want him and they need to give up Gibson to get him? Then wouldn't having Amundson make the Bulls' brass feel more secure about making that trade?

    I would think so.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Rudy F is not worth if we have to give up Gibson. I am pretty sure Portland would do it that trade right now if we give up Gibson. Plus, they need that last bit of cap-space to sign a player who will play and not somebody like Amundson who will not play.

    We can't collect a bunch of useless guys just for a chance to trade in the future. Amundson, maybe after we have signed/traded for the SG we need

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Yup, if I'm the Bulls, I'm keeping Taj. All we really need is a solid 2 guard right now and we're good.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    I'd keep Taj Gibson too, unless he can be used in a trade to get Carmelo Anthony, in which case getting more depth at PF is a smart thing for the Bulls brass to do.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I sure hope you're not holding your breath on the Bulls acquiring Carmelo Anthony. Not that I wouldn't be ecstatic if they did mind you...

  • In reply to thegreatlie:

    Logic,

    I'm not.

    But I would like the Bulls' management to be PREPARED just in case MELO does become available.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Happy, that makes sense. I'm sure they've given the prospect a fair amount of thought. After all he would be the biggest catch in the league. Great player.

  • In reply to thegreatlie:

    Logic,

    That's why I wouldn't mind seeing the Bulls go with a 14 or 15 man roster.

    The more (trade-able) depth the better.

    It's not like they can sign him via free-agency next year.

  • In reply to thegreatlie:

    No House Fire please. No way to improve other than undersized 2's?

  • In reply to FreeJoakim:

    FreeJoakim,

    Doug Thonus, KC Johnson and Nick Friedell must SHARE A BRAIN.

    For some DUMB reason, they all keep talking about Eddie House on the Bulls.

    Please tell them to STOP. Thank you.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Whom do u want?? Sam Young....who is a SF and has not proven anything in the league and couldn't get a chance on an average Memphis team.

    Eddie House is a decent shooter ...off course, he is not tall or a good defender. He just needs to spell Brewer for a few mins and also give some energy and offense of the bench. He has proven he can do that and that's what you need for the short term. We can worry about a trade/better option when the trade market opens up. You have to go with what you can get now....

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaum,

    Again, if you watched basketball you would know that Sam Young is a SG/SF. But that is neither here not there.

    None of these OLDER guys (House, Bogans, Howard, McGrady, Mason Jr.) are all that impressive to me. I would rather they go with a younger guy, who can be a solid #2 behind Brewer.

    - Sam Young
    - Rudy Fernandez
    - Wayne Ellington
    - Corey Brewer
    - DaeQuan Cook

    etc.

    I know anyone one of those guys can be had for a 1st Round pick.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Of those three House and Mason have much better offensive production. Both House and Mason have hit volume three's(above three attempts) for 40% or above. House has been the better shooter and more prolific. But Mason has had a couple good years shooting especially threes before last year. Apparently he had a hand injury which is the supposed cause of the drop off.

    I get the sense House would be more of a question when it comes to attitude/chemistry. Obviously he was fine with the veteran layden Celtics. If Mason is a solid to better defender at 6'5 I'd probably have to go with him.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    that's above 300 hundred attempts

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bulls are interested in Eddie House:

    http://twitter.com/ESPNChiBulls/status/19698740760

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Vedo,

    And that would be a DUMB basketball decision.

    EHOUSE is a back-up PG, which the Bulls already have, not a SG.

    He can't defend SG's, at all.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    schaum,

    I wouldn't give up Taj Gibson for Rudy Fernandez either.

    However, my point was clear.

    The Bulls should acquire as many pieces as possible for a BIGGER TRADE down the line. It's a smart thing for them to do.

    Right now, they have ONE SG in Brewer, who happens to be DEFENSIVE-MINDED. Korver, is more of a SMALL FORWARD, then a SG. That's problem.

    The Bulls' brass needs and should balance things out.

    SG - Brewer
    SF - Deng, Korver, Johson

    That's not good balance.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Vedo,

    We already know how K.C. "I copy fans' work" Johnson feels about T-MAC.

    Why bother?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    G.S just signed Pargo....He's gonna love it there, jackin up 25 shots off the bench lol

    http://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/19685140258

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I just asked KC why haven't the Bulls said anything about TMAC yet...

    His response....

    http://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/19682981812

    He feels really strong about the Bulls not signing TMAC. I would agree with his response. He did say we would end up with Boozer so he must have some good connections with the Bulls org. I don't see us getting TMAC.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    HATRED FOR TMAC CONTINUES:

    http://twitter.com/unclenebber

    What do you think his answer was? Look at his twitter account to find out.

    He should be more classy. That's just my opinion.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Ahhh Karma strikes again. So TMac, how does it feel to be on the receiving end of a rejection ? ;).

  • What about these guys?

    Dimitris Diamantidis

    Rank: #6
    Vitals: 6-6 220
    Position: PG/SG/SF
    NBA Comparison: Shane Battier with point guard skills
    Status: unrestricted free agent

    My Assessment: 3D is a very unusual and unorthodox player. Nonetheless, he is very effective. He is probably the Euroleague's most versatile player. He is an excellent team defender and can guard from the 1-4 positions. His man to man defense style is physical and smart.

    Offensively, he is skilled and is an all around player and an excellent guy to compliment good primary scorers. Potential NBA starting shooting guard or 6th man.

    NBA Scout Assessment: An NBA scout said this of Diamantidis, "Diamantidis is a very competitive player and he knows how to help a team in a lot of ways. He is a guy that definitely should be playing in the NBA and belongs there".

    or

    Yotam Halperin- Israeli combo guard and former Seattle Supersonics 2nd rounder Yotam Halperin has been exactly what Coach Giannakis was hoping when he bought him out of his contract with Maccabi Tel Aviv this past summer. Halperin has been incredibly efficient from the field (64%) and especially beyond the arc (49%), and has had no problem accepting his role off the bench and running the offense smoothly when called upon. Halperin never turns the ball over and is somewhat of a reluctant scorer. His NBA potential isn

  • In reply to FreeJoakim:

    DD's nickname is Octopus Man in Europe

  • Mitchell,

    I think people are throwing much more into this. They are questioning his attitude, the ego, his willingness to come off the bench and all that other stuff. The only thing that should matter is if he can still play and contribute to a team. There are a lot of reports saying that he doesn't have anything left and other reports saying it went well. It may be that he really doesn't have anything left and they are just saying it went well to give him chances elsewhere. But, no one from the Bulls org. or TMAC has said anything yet. That's why people haven't closed the book on him just yet.

  • Good points Mitchell. I do remember LA saying it went well and then 2 days later Hi Rasual Butler. I just hope its not Hi Eddie House/Mason/Bogans for us. If TMAC indeed didn't impress us, I think we should just lay low on signing guys for now and see what happens.

  • I know man. I thought he was going back to Europe for sure. But, hey you know how Don Nelson likes his offense. I'm sure JP will fit right in.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    That is a GUARD-DOMINATED offense in G.S.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    DELONTE WEST TO BOSTON?

    NBA Notes: Delonte West is going to be waived by the Minnesota Timberwolves soon and when he is the Boston Celtics will be calling. The Celtics drafted West in 2004 and he played a big role for them until being traded to the Seattle Supersonics in the Ray Allen deal on draft night 2007. Boston is an ideal fit for West with Tony Allen gone and so much veteran leadership. West has to have a strong support system and Boston would provide just that.

    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16935#ixzz0uvWDw9d5

  • Mitchell,

    The Bulls don't need a back-up PG.

    That's what EHOUSE is. BAD IDEA!!!

  • Bogans, Mason Jr. and House are past their prime.

    Too CONSERVATIVE for the Bulls' brass to go with one of them.

  • BULLS TRADING FOR RUDY FERNANDEZ?

    http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/bulls-in-trade-talks-with-blazers-for-fernandez.html

  • Doug,

    It may be the 12th man signed to a contract, but that doesn't mean he'll be the 12th-man in the rotation.

    Don't think like KC, okay. The Bulls need a back-up SG.

  • Mitchell,

    Wouldn't you rather the Bulls' brass trade for a younger SG, than add an older one like McGrady, Bogans or Mason Jr.?

    I can't see how anyone wouldn't want that.

  • SPOTLIGHT:

    My personal favorite Rudy Fernandez video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmVaTMNLzks

  • Mitchell,

    Who fits the Bulls needs?

    - Rudy Fernandez
    - Sam Young
    - Nick Young
    - Wayne Ellington
    - Corey Brewer
    - DaeQuan Cook
    - Terrence Williams
    - Courtney Lee
    - Xavier Henry

    Take your pick. All these guys could fit in with the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    And most of those guys could be had for a 1st Round pick.

    (CASH may need to be included as well.)

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