a) That he's willing to come off the bench.
b) That he proves healthy.
Per Marc Stein:
The Bulls are prepared to sign Tracy McGrady if he proves to be sufficiently healthy in a workout Monday and he can convince the team he is willing to accept a bench role, one source familiar with Chicago's thinking said Sunday.
"Nothing is done until it's done, but I expect the Bulls to sign McGrady later this week," the source said.
Another unknown is what kind of contract McGrady can command from the Bulls. But McGrady has said money and years are not priorities after earning nearly $23 million last season with Houston and New York.
Color me disappointed.
Tracy McGrady is a career .435% shooter who hasn't shot over 43% since he was a 32 points per game superduperoonystar back in 2002/03. Before that era of his career, he used to be a backup small forward that played fine defense and averaged 2 blocks per game off the bench, yet with his health, athleticism and his fame went his defense. He is a career 34% three point shooter who used to be a world beater due to his world beating athleticism, but who doesn't even have Luol Deng-level athleticism any more. To call him a mere shell of his former self still sells the situation short.
Worse still, he has played only 65 games and 1,854 minutes over the past two years. He either doesn't play, or he plays mediocrely. These are the reasons for the conditions, yet they are also reasons for doubt.
It's entirely possible that McGrady proves reasonably healthy, plays about 80% of the season (which would do), passes well, hits some shots, and at least pays attention defensively. If that happens, it won't be a bad signing. McGrady is not a bad apple; the only question is whether he's a bad player. But the concern is that, based on his recent body of work, that's what he is. He was one of the very best in the world, yet now, he's not even average. The man who threatened to retire in both 2004 and 2006 surely cannot be far from actually doing so.
We certainly needed one more playmaker, but we needed a good one. So much uncertainty surrounds this possible move that we simply can't say if it is one. And what's more, as ever, lest it was in any doubt, this cements that Kyle Korver will guard the two guard.
Bad times.
Filed under: Free Agency
Tags: Bad Times, chicago bulls, free agency, Rumours, tracy mcgrady
I am ok with signing mcgrady if we also sign another guard in the process. Hopefully we can sign Lucas and Almonds just in case Mcgrady gets hurt we have a decent bench still.
I am not against signing Mcgrady, I think he can make plays and make shots. I also think he is a great passer and can finish. We dont need him to be a superstar, but at what we are going to pay him I dont think he will hurt us as much as people think. Finincially or on the court.
You said: "We certainly needed one more playmaker, but we needed a good one."
Who do you have in mind?
All I see available via free agency are the Eddie House, Roger Mason types. And it doesn't look like the Bulls are trying to make any trades. McGrady is probably the best shot at getting one that we have this off season (not a good shot, but a shot nonetheless).
I think too much is being made out of this. Like you said, McGrady isn't a bad apple. If he accepts his role, there's nothing wrong with this.
All the Bulls are doing is filling a roster spot, with (probably) the best wing player available. Sure, he could suck. But who cares? It's an extremely low risk move.
As for Korver guarding twos, I don't think it will happen enough to become a concern. And it almost definitely won't be happening while the better twos in the league are out there.
Ya i agree...Brewer, Tmac, Rose can all guard 2's if they have too.
I am firmly in the anti-McGrady experiment camp but if the front office thinks that he can help the team, I'm willing to support them in that assessment. A healthy McGrady should be better than what we've seen the last two years and if he can accept a position as a bench player, he can turn out to be a real gem. Sixth Man material. If he's healthy and can give us Grant Hill-like post-superstar performance, then the Bulls would have scored another great move for this off-season. It seems to me that McGrady has wanted to be a Bull for a long time and the organization has wanted him since he was a draft prospect out of high school. Let's hope this works out for both of us.
We arent depending om him to deliver anything.
Anything he gives us is a bonus. So lets give it a shot.
Ya really....we are barely going to pay him anything....if he does well for us...its a big success.
A.I.?!? I don't know why he's not a consideration in all this, I don't think he's going back to Philly, so why is he so under the radar?
Oh boy....
You know....the only thing that's keeping me from being completely disappointed is the simple fact that : McGady's shell > Pargo, Murray or Hughes
Of course this is only if he agrees to park his ass on the bench....
He's still a decent player, every now & then he can give a surge off the bench. They should also make him commit to Thib's defense then he's a good pick-up.
I'm starting to lean towards being in favor of McGrady, as long as management is willing to cut ties immediately if things go south. At this point, we aren't likely to add any more rotation players, so adding T-Mac wouldn't cause us to miss out on anyone that would really help us (despite what Doug says about Eddie House -- I can't stand that guy!). T-Mac would be purely a bonus if he could produce, even if it's the occasional spark while Rose is on the bench. In limiting his minutes, he may also be more likely to avoid injuries and be productive in small spurts of playing time. I could see 20 minutes per night, as long as he's happy with that.
Harp played like crap his first year..it was only after MJ n Scottie road him that he played well again...McGrady has never been much of a position defender n he is not a winner of playoff basketball..
only sign him IF ties can be broken quickly. then they can try Starbury n AI after that (a joke)...Flip Murray appears to be the right choice to me.
I don't like this at all. A washed up, aging superstar is not a good candidate for the 11th spot on the roster. Those spots are reserved for quality vet role players, or hungry, young D-leaguers who will do anything asked of them. As someone said above, T-Mac would have to reinvent himself as a ball player, something I don't ever see happening.
And the difference between him & Hill is Hill has ALWAYS been a team player. T-Mac is the me-first star in the AI, Starbury mold. I don't think he'll ever be able to break from that. His contract better only be guaranteed up to a certain point or not at all for me to even have any slight hope that this might work. If he proves me wrong, then I'll be happy, but I can't for the life of me see that happening.
Why washed up at 31? It's not like a Eddy Curry who never lived up to his potential and doesn't mind sitting and getting paid. He was a ALL-STAR who has had some terrible injuries to overcome. A Superstar quality player is the kind of person that has it in them TO OVERCOME them. Not saying he will but 1/2 or McGrady is better that most options the Bulls have has off the bench these past few years. Pargo, Devin Brown, Hunter. Seriously, why not see?
Tmac was one of the best offensive player we have ever seen....he is still better offensively then most players in the league. He can create, post up, hit the 3, draw fouls. I hope he fits in.
This is what Csharp and I have been saying all along. Hopefully he meets these conditions.
lol yep
OPPORTUNITY KNOCKS?
http://realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/68351/20100725/standoff_between_grizzlies_henry_continues/
As I said, Memphis has a lot of WINGS and two of them are having contract issues.
The problem is, let's say Memphis is ready to cut bait, I'd ask for Taj if I were them. Is just a future 1st doing to get it done? Probably not.
PJ,
I'm not sure.
All I know is the Memphis owner seems to be jerking him and SY around.
JJ and a litlle of Jerry's cash(say $1.7 million) certainly ought to get the job done.
This would be a homerun for the Bulls, and I am dumbfounded as to why they aren't jumping all over this opportunity.
He will be signed by suppertime.
...by the Minnesota Timberwolves!!!!
Guys, Guys!!! Take it easy! The Bulls have seen him workout. He also said that money is not an object... Why? he collected $23MM last season. I like his moxie. He did not say that he should start, he said, "It's up to me in training camp to prove I'm a starter."
That being said, he realizes that he's starting from the bench. But he's confident that he's healthy enough to challenge for the starting position. That means he hungry. Very hungry. I want a guy that willing to prove everybody wrong. If the Bulls sign him, it's because they see something there. This is the final roster spot on this team. And if T-Mac plys for an unguarenteed minium because he wants to be here, then let's go. I haven't seen him like everybody else. But he's willing to go to war in trainibg camp to prove himself. I believe he knows that he's close to what he was and I believe the Bulls know that too. Otherwise I don't think either pary would want to make a fool of themselves at this point.
But the upside is if he's healthy and can last the season what a boost that would be. That potentially could shake things even further in thew Eastern Conference. We have wiffed or got punked on LeBron, Wade and Bosh. But it would be a beautiful thing to have a reasonably healthy McGrady on this squad. I'm trying to keep from daydreaming a bit...
Right..he thinks he's healthy enough to challenge for the starting position. What happens if he comes up short? He'll pout, tweet his displeasure all over the blog-o-sphere and be a distraction. I can't wait....
I don't think so. He's never been a malcontent. Aloof yes, but not a malcontent. He's been a guy that's been an alpha dog. Though one that has not gone to the second round. I believe that there's enough vet's on this team that can manage the club house the right way. Kurt Thomas, Boozer, Korver et al are here to win. I firmly believe what we see early is not what we'll see late. I believe he'll be better in the long haul even if he doesn't start because he's not your typical 12th man. Tell me who's better if he's reasonbly healthy to play right now? Who's better?
He was a malcontent in Houston and gave up on his team in Orlando.
Who's better? On our team or available to sign? If we are talking about the 11-12th roster spot we should sign glue guys, not ruin our momentum by filling a role player spot with a washed up alpha dog.
Here's a couple factors that could go wrong:
-Strife with a rookie head coach
-Influence on Derrick Rose
-Over-all destruction of team chemistry
I'm not willing to take that chance...
He was not a malcontent as some has portrayed him to be. There is nobody better to sign as your 11th and/or 12th man. We have enough glue guys. I'm not worried about all of those thing that you are worried about. I've been in many NBA locker rooms and they are mangaged all the time by good assistants and veterans. The bulls for the most part can cut their losses and move on if he's a head case. But from what I've heard, he's more aloof by not knowing the right thing to say rather than causing all-out hell. I would do it.
"Me and Boozer and some of the other key players"
"I've been battling to get back to rare form."
"Knowing my smarts for the game, leadership..."
"Without me, without (Carlos) Boozer, they're a .500 club. With the guys we added, we'll be 30 better."
"If I was the player I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench," he said. "But I have worked extremely hard and I'm far from that player. It's up to me in training camp to prove I'm a starter."
OMG ... this is everything that I didn't want to see happen.
This man does not understand that he's not the TMac of 5 years ago ... and never will be again.
I was willing to consider this a low risk chance to get a high reward.
Now I pray they don't sign him.
I don't care what his state of health is.
I don't care how athletic he may be.
He was a cancer to EVERY team he's ever been on.
If this were a whole new TMac with a new attitude and outlook, that would be one thing.
But I don't want the old TMac (which is exactly what he is) anywhere near this young Bulls team.
Firmly in the DO NOT SIGN HIM camp now.
I keep trying to have an open mind, and give McGrady a chance.
And then we hear these quotes. I agree. The quotes you highlighted are dead on. All my instincts say he will play well for a short time, and then the knee will slow him down once again into being ineffective. And then he will complain/make destructive statments detrimental to the team.
People that don't see the arrogance in these quotes I don't know what to tell you.
If they sign him, and he does flame out quickly/can't get it done they better unload him fast before he has time to whine to the press, and put a negative pall over the team.
After hearing his latest quotes I am decided I do not want them to sign him.
Which means of course they will. Oh well, the McGrady fans may have their way. And again I hope I'm wrong. But from these latest quotes he sure sounds like an immmatture, conceited, team cancer in-waiting to me.
The options out there aren't really good... Eddie House..No..
When the Bulls went into the off-season...they was basically two needs on which there was a lot of discussion everywhere...
1) Low Post Scorer --- Accomplished
2) SG - good height, good defensive player, can shoot and create his own shot sometimes if necessary.
--Ronnie Brewer can do most of it but he lacks in the most important skill--shooting
I am not sure TMAC can complement Brewer..That's the bottom line. I am not concerned about his defense, locker room issues(they will just cut him if he acts like a fool)...
But can he generate offense or play a decent SG if Brewer struggles or is in foul trouble....I don't think so. That's why we need to sign somebody else for now as a stop-gap and look our for trades during the trading deadline or during training camp cuts..
Or we need TMAC to be signed as a stop-gap who can be cut at anytime without cap ramifications or inability to make a good trade.
Will the McGrady fans agree that the team chemistry and trust is in a formative state right now. Guys like Ronnie Brewer are coming in committed to win. Let's not give them a reason to feel switched and baited. I'd rather have a loyal Brewer and Korver then switch and bait them with significantly reduced minutes while McGrady runs smoothly on sawdust for a short time, just long wnough to piss guys off. Then when he turns into the lemon he really is, those same players will come back into their roles feeling used/disrespected.
As many NBA people have said the last thing this meshing Bulls team needs is a prima donna derailment. Which is exactly what I fear Tracy McGrady is likely to be. Honestly before these latest inflated ego comments, I was starting to lean in favor of signing him. No longer.
"And how much can the Bulls tell from a workout?" They can tell a lot from strength tests on the knee at various points during the workout, his conditioning, they probably have a medical professional there to determine his "gaite" when he runs, stops and start. Then if he can show that he has his touch with a "guy from their camp" shadowing him and/or two guys shadowing him (directionally), then they can kind of get an idea how strong his legs are. "Me and Boozer and some of the other key players"...I think that's just a statement that sees himself here and contributing. Thats all. Remember now, all jocks are not good at the P.R. thing. But,I'm hoping Arn Tellum put some thing in his ear to say if the deal is consumated. According to everything I see, he just wants to play on this team.
Signing McGrady = Bad idea jeans
http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310/saturday-night-live-bad-idea-jeans
Is it as bad as having a child molester babysitting your kids?
JJ and a little of Jerry's money(say about $1.7million) certainly ought to get Memphis thinking about it.
It isn't the basketball side of this signing that worries me. As has been pointed out that is low risk, if the contract is right.
I am worried about the personality/chemistry part.
So far this offseason, every guy that the Bulls have signed seems to be a legitimate good guy committed to the team, mostly like the existing core. I have been really impressed by the interviews with Boozer, Brewer, Watson and even Korver.
McGrady simply does not fit in with the rest of the gang.
And therein lies the rub. I see him as more of a mope a dope malcontent along the lines of Ben Gordon.
We'll see how he does with his tryout/workout. Honestly, is anyone really expecting much out of this last pickup whether it be Roger Mason or whoever. My concern is what if McGrady plays decently for a month or two, and then the injuries catch up to him, and he's out for a while/or longer then he thinks he should be, and he becomes a distraction. We don't have an established coach or a championship organization where players/stars will just conform at the drop of a hat.
Also, Ronnie Brewer came in with the understanding that he was being brought in to be the starter. If Brewer plays well then I'd think he plays at least around 30 minutes a game(otherwise the starter promise becomes a problem/lie). And Korver say 15 minutes at SG and around 8 or ten at SF. That doesn't leave much time at SG on many nights. If McGrady is willing to play some three that would be key for me. If he says that is no problem, and understands buying in and workign hard on Thib's team D is a prerequisite for playing time then I suppose he might be worth the risk.
But as someone else says if he becomes a devisive presence with attitude or negative press then he's gone. Period.
Korver should be getting 15 at SF. If we've learned anything from our marriage with Luol, it's that he can't play a lot of minutes and stay healthy. Deng should be playing 30-33 minutes a game. No more. That will leave Korver with fewer minutes at SG.
Keep James Johnson on the bench. His minutes should be coming only in blowout time.
It's probably unlikely McGrady will pan out, but if he can pass their test tomorrow, I'm not against signing him for cheap. As flawed as he is, he's competing with Roger Mason and Keith Bogans. I'd take the shot based on how things go tomorrow.
BUSY DAY:
Tomorrow should be a busy day for the Chicago Bulls.
I'm thinking a SG is getting signed tomorrow, either way.
Also, Derrick Rose should be announced as one of the final 15 for Team USA.
Look back at his stats in th 08-09 season. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3179/gamelog;_ylt=Av0et1HWeKNtOfYjk1mGwCctPKB4?year=2008
If there is even a chance he has recovered (not all the way I realize) he could bring so much to the table.
UnstopaBull,
I'm sure the Bulls' brass is only looking for a SCORING SPIRT off the bench.
Something similar to Vinny Johnson (80's Pistons) perhaps.
He not Vinny or Ben but I'm pretty sure he's put up some huge quarters in his career.
I'm still immensely upset we didn't even consider an unhappy Warrior by the name of Monte Ellis :(
Rose and Monta in the backcourt? That wont win you anything.
I realize it'd be small but good defense can cover that up I think. I'm just a big Ellis fan so I'm a fan of the idea.
Alot of McGrady haters out there and I'm not sure why. Lets assume he is 25% healthier than last year (maybe that is a big assumtion but one the workout Monday should show), his numbers even LAST year averaged about 10 pts,4 assists and 4 rebounds in just over 20 minutes a game. THAT WAS WITH OR JUST COMING BACK FROM INJURY! Is it really that hard to imagine him getting 12-14pts, 5 assists and 5 rebounds in about 20 minutes for us? If he has something to prove and is motiveted I see him fired up to beat out Brewer at the 2.(although I like his scoring potential coming off the bench). I think unless he can't accept the backup role or if his health is just not back to where it needs to be, he could be one of the better cheap pickups of the year. If he is at all healthy I would much rather have him and his 6-8 body guarding 2's and 3's than some of the munchkins we have had these past couple years. I don't see many guards out ther isolating and posting HIM up. Maybe I'm overly optimistic but some of you are way too down on the guy and what he COULD bring at a very cheap price tag. Guess we will see.
The reason there are TMac haters is he was overrated. A career 43% shooter. Sure he had 22, 6 and 5 but he averaged 17 shots a game and didn't play D. Never a winner. I would take Luol over him in his prime. I am hoping he's a changed man.
Agreed...and I think that chances of it all working out are around 15%...
I wonder if Detroit would be open to trading Ben Gordon..... (somewhere Fred Phifer wets himself)
Give me Monta Ellis any day.
I, and any sane person, would take Gordon over Ellis. Especially within the context of this current roster makeup.
Why all the love for Gordon? He flourished here because there was no star. He's not as bad as he looked last year either. But he cannot go to the rack and finish or get fouled like Ellis.
We already have Derrick Rose. We need guys who can shoot, as Korver is our only reliable 3 point threat.
Watson can get to the rack. Granted he's not as good as Ellis.
If we are not worried about salary, attitudes, who starts etc... Ellis would be a great bench player with his ability to score and also to be there if something happens to Brewer. Ellis would be a great first man of the bench when the offense is struggling...
Reinsdorf is our owner. But I agree, if he would be willing to be a sixth man.
Pierce, Garnett and Allen are all older and they made the finals. 31 is not that old if he has worked hard on his recovery. I don't expect a All-Star but someone that has been in those situations and can create their own shot when the clock is running out is nice.
Is Brewer in their class? At least McGrady was before injuries and if he has recovered even a little over last year he is capable of helping this team off the bench.
Man this is a risky move ... but I could accept it I guess.
You know what will be unfortunate ...
If he comes in and plays well (for a backup), but still gets blamed for his shortcomings. I mean, we can't expect him to be even half of what TMac used to be.
This will sure make for some interesting times this season ... here's hoping all ends well.
He's only making about 2-3 mil....if he does well...then we look good. Low risk high reward if you ask me.
I am really surprised by this report and I question its accuracy. TMac bad or not won't cost much, but it doesn't seem like the kind of move mgmt would want to make. Maybe they like the $ though? I would guess Mason Jr. or House would be a more likely fit and fit in with the "team" we are trying to build. TMac seems out of character from both a defensive and a position standpoint.
I think the problem with TMac is you give him a shot, waste lets say 3 mill off our cap and then it turns to crap. You wasted the money and time, not signing a role player (shooter) who would fit in that spot. If he has anything left, keep in mind he never was a good defended, team oriented player. Do you think he will become a different player now? We just need some one to give us 15 min. off the bench and shot the ball, I dont think he would accept that role. He aint 2003 TMac, get that out of minds. As little Happy brought up Henry would be nice and into the youth movement, but as a rookie; he has no leverage.Only if they would take Bobcats #1 and maybe JJ, but Tai will be to important with Boozer and Noahs health concerns.
Cathy,
It's just MrHappy...thank you.
This smells like the kind of thinking that got the bulls Tyrus Thomas instead of the sure thing in LaMarcus Aldridge. Paxson and Forman have put together a solid if somewhat unspectacular team to this point. Tmac still has some sizzle, but is it worth it? At what point if he is healthy and mildly productive does he start making "Starters have to set the tone" type of comments when the bulls struggle a little bit out of the gate?
If Joakim Noah could step up to LeBron and the whole city of Cleveland, then I'm sure he can step up to TMAC if he had to. There won't be no need to do that. TMAC wants to come in and win. He knows he has failed when it was all on him. I think he know understands that he needs a TEAM to move on to the next level. If he can show that he's got something left tomorrow, the Bulls will gladly sign him.
6th-Man of the Year:
History shows, you can be 31 years of age and win the 6th-Man of the Year Award.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html
Just thinking positive for a moment.
I like this deal alot if he meets the criteria the Bulls have stipulated. McGrady isn't going to do this (for in his view chump change) just so he can fall on his face again. I think he wants it badly and will work hard to prove the naysayers wrong.
However, in addition to the knee problem, I seem to recall that McGrady also battled back problems earlier in his career. Does anyone know if/how those were resolved?
T-Mac has family here. He's been working out with Tim Grover. Also word has spread that he much better than he has been the last couple of years.(That's a relative statement from one guy to another) Now remember he had a microfracture. The same injury that Amare' had. It usually takes anywhere from 18-24 months to fully recover from that. Look how long it was for Amare'. My question is who is the principal scorer off of the bench for the Bulls? My answer right now is I don't know? If T-Mac is half of what he was in Houston, then it's a great deal for the Bulls. The big question would be is he duarble enough to make it through the season. DRose has seen him this offseason several times at Grover's gym. There was no serious play him by other teams because of cap considerations, younger players, etc. So if T-Mac can play some 2 and some 3 for 25 minutes a night and produce, it's a win-win-win situation for everybody. The Bulls get a scorer off the bench, he's not expensive, he's veteran and T-Mac gets to resurrect his career with one of the best young teams in the East.
Exactly
K.C. JOHNSON:
Of course, K.C. Johnson, who is opposed to McGrady coming to the Bulls, had to chime in.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/bulls-havent-made-decision-on-mcgrady.html
As of now, it's C.J. Watson.
Guys, McGrady if signed sure could possibly could add a spark. If you don't at least want to admit/or don't know, there were serious attitude issues with him in Houston. So many of his quotes and stances were of a me first nature.
Lets at least be balanced/fair. The guy with all that talent(when he had it) never won/drove his team to win a playoff series.
As for all-star, that was his first five seasons(five of six) where he shot 45%. Since that time he shoots around 42%! While he does get to the foul line being a low 30's shooter from three is a major drawback. And he has been unable to play much because of a dehabilitating injury.
Let's just be fair about this. Yes, writing a guy off you're interested in as a cancer maybe is unfair. Despite his somewhat self-centered attitude doesn't mean he's a terrible person, and won't play team ball now. Let's just admit it's a gamble because if we do incur injuries then an addition of a Roger Mason who has shot the three well the last couple of years, and who does defend, it could come back to bite us in the ass.
So lets just be fair, and say it's a risk. I admit if they say he looks great, and have the discipline to only play him about 20 minutes a game to avoid injury, then in some sense I would be excited if they signed him.
But it is without doubt a gamble. And if he does diminsih in effectiveness(due to the knee), and bitches at all about playing time or makes negative comments about the team, then he's gone. Period.
I respect you being excited about getting him. Just respect us, and admit that it is a risk. And if he is out early with injuries and we have other bumps in the road wasting that slot could hurt.
My only other issue is this talk about Ronnie Brewer's starting time and minutes being in jeopardy. I'm not saying every Tracy McGrady fan has proposed this. But some have. You don't lure a desired free agent(Boston), who is young and talented, with a committment to start, and then f-ck with that guy by kicking him to the bench and cutting his minutes. It's dishonest, bad for the team, and bad for the franchise.
Any 6'7 guard who's young, can handle the ball with excellent athleticism and finishing, by all accounts a team player with a good attitude, who averages nearly two steals a game in less then 30 minutes a game, and scores 14ppg on 50% shooting?? Unless Brewer comes out, and sucks for two months straight(which won't happen) or walks into practice drunk(no he doesn't have a drinking problem I'm just saying) he IS the starter on this team, and that means at least 30 minutes per game. Korver will fair better against wings with support from bigs defensively then guarding SG's. James Johnson better get used to splinters in his butt unless he shows he can score efficiently and/or play very good defense(not be a liablity).
In conclusion I would be excited in some sense if they do get him. But he has been a whiner/complainer in the past that's just a fact. And if his play diminishes with injury/the knee, and he becomes glued to the bench there's a good chance he's going to bitch about it/cause a problem.
Let's hope he stays healthy, and if so, yes then he could be very helpful/a steal. And you will be right, and we he didn't want to sign him will be wrong. And I'll be glad for it if that's the case/he's healthy/produces.
Ok, first of all T-Mac, Roger Mason or whoever just doesn't matter at all.
I would like the Bulls to be keeping an eye on Jason Richardson in Phoenix for a trade by the deadline.
Now, in order to get Richardson the Bulls should stockpile people that can help in that trade.
If the Bulls use 1 mil to sign Roger Mason that does not help the trade at all, if T-Mac come it probably doesn't either, but if T-Mac can show that he can come back like Grant Hill then he helps the Bulls TREMENDOUSLY in trade value.
If T-Mac can play at all and will play for a million or 2, then I am all for it. There is no downside and he is not a bad personality, there has never been a bad report about Tracy.
Also you don't have to be effecient to be a helpful bench scorer. The 6th man of the year last year was Jamal Crawford, a VOLUME shooeter who DEFINATELY helped the Atlanta Hawks.
Sign T-Mac!!!
I hear you we are a young team and Brewer gives us good size and athletism, defense and high % shooting all of which are starting quality at SG. It's cool seeing TMAC as our backup SG/SF along with KK for his shooting. Then Watson as primary PG backup and can play some SG backup if needed. I'm liking our changes this year! Any team thinking of winning in the times of the super teams better be deversified and be ready to outwork them. I like this young & hard working team (except for TMAC if we get him and Thomas...they aren't young but provided the needed vet leadership & come off the bench)
Schaumburgfan you mentioning Brad Miller and athletic in the same sentence is something that I never thought i'd ever see! LOL
He is a vet that has a good b-ball iq, has shoot decent in his career, good passer, team guy etc. I agree bigs, even mediocre old/young ones are getting a premium in the NBA.
Getting a big to walk & chew gum at the same time is a accomplishment, let along play good basketball. :-)
McGRADY UPDATE:
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5410853
He seems confident that a contract offer could be coming by today.
Oh, great...."his preference is to start".....fantastic.
The Bulls are looking to fill their final roster spot. If he accepts his role on the floor, acts like a professional, and can be the veteran presence the team needs, ask yourself:
Who would you rather back up Deng, T-Mac or James Johnson?
McGrady was asked if he'd accept coming off the bench.
"If I was the player I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench," he said. "But I have worked extremely hard and I'm far from that player. It's up to me in training camp to prove I'm a starter."
DANGER!!! WILL ROBINSON!!!!DANGER!!!!!!
I guess Mcgrady didnt read or listen to the stipulations of must be healthy and must be willing to come off the bench huh?
Flip Murray lol no way
Tmac still has plenty of game...plus the guy has been working out all summer....he'll be ready. Another thing to think about is....Tmac never had a guy like Rose that can open up shots for him.
Thats one of things Thibs is good at....getting superstars to buy into a system
KC doesnt know anything about bball
He averaged about 10ppg....so he did have his big games as well. I know he at least had 4-5 20 point games i think. Maybe more. Plus he wasnt even in shape at the time.
I bet by the end of the year....Tmac will end up being in a lot at the end of games. The guy knows the game, he's crafty, he still is great at drawing fouls. I hope it works.
It is human nature to look at the "prime" player. Even though TMAC is 31, he is an old 31. This guy came out of high school and has been around for a while. I hope the Bulls do their due diligence and can figure out how his physical state is...He might talk a lot of good stuff because he is desperate for a job but the name shouldn't fool them.
The main issue is again if we use the cap space on him and we lose out on a trade for a better, younger player in the future...he better show up to play as the Bulls want. I am not worried about his defense. I am more worried about his offense. We need him to be the anti-Brewer on offense and more of a shot making Flip Murray on offense. His half-court game can be useful during the playoffs though. But I just don't think he is worth the risk as he probably has nothing left in the tank and is just going by his past fame..
They should sign him only on a less risk/incentive laden contract and should be able to cut him without any risk by the trade deadline if he is not performing well and use that cap for a required trade.
schaum,
With only $3 million to spend, I'd say saying him is already a low risk move.
I don't think he would get the whole $3 million either.
If Tmac proves to be healthy and is willing to accept his role, then I think the Bulls should sign him. This guy is a multiple time all star and if he is ready to play team ball on both ends of the court, he could be a steal and a major contributor.
Reesel,
All the pressure is on Tracy McGrady himself at this point.
He has everything to prove and the Bulls' brass has nothing to lose.
I'm hoping that this process of free agency and the bulls conditions has humbled T-Mac a bit. I mean at one point he was a great player, so even while he may not be that same player in terms of athleticism he is still Tracy McGrady. I mean the odds of him reverting back to "above averageness" are better than Jannero being anything but instant heartburn for us.
What about Rashad McCants? Dude can play, but is supposed to be an awful locker room guy or something...what is the story on this guy?
Mitchell,
It's hard to judge his last two seasons, because of his injuries.
Let's be positive and see what happens.
Mitchell,
He's only reliable when he STEALS stuff from Bulls' fans.
(Me...for one).
I gave him the ACCURATE names of the John Salmons trade.
Sure you did. Business must have been good that day...mmm.
Stop it. KC knows his stuff.
I'll admit one thing that does bother me about this signing if it happens...bad karma
http://ymswwc.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/tracy-mcgrady.jpg
I totally agree. I feel like we just spend a bunch of money, got a bunch of new guys that I like and now we're bringing in the plague....
Mitchell,
Careful what you read. Doug and K.C. have similar opinions.
They are company men.
Ignore...take a deep breath.... move on...
Mitchell,
It's hard to judge his production when he's been hurt the past 2-3 seasons.
It seems LOW RISK to give him a look.
I would prefer if they went young, but I don't make the personnel decisions.
Agree with that. More than jump and run....can he shoot? Are we buying him just for brand name? I hope the Bulls brass know how to work him out and check on his physical skills rather than hoping he will be 18 months removed from his surgery and will get better...
If he performs well during the workout, then it is a low risk thing to sign him...otherwise a big "NO" for that when there are rumors that teams with too players are going to cut some players and we might get lucky and find a young diamond in the rough rather than a has-been diamond which is going to be rough...
I guess the real question is can a 31 year old guy who has worked his whole life to become a 2-time scoring leader and a 7-time All-Star work his way back from very serious injury(s) to be able to play at a level that would be helpful coming off the bench for the Bulls? Even coming back too soon last year, and I assume not fully recovered, he averaged 10pts in 20 minutes and I believe that was against mostly starters(he did start for NY right?) What can he produce with 6 months more rehab? against bench players? does he have no savvy that would expose a young athelete (Tyrus type) Tyrus has all the athletism in the world and he wasn't a scoring champ or All-Star, maybe there is more to it than just athleticism. Pure shooter? no Knows how to score? think so. Would 10/4/4 be bad for a 20minutes a game backup?
I took a look at McGrady's stats. Really, a volume scorer who shoots 42-43%(after his first five 45% years), and gets to the line with 500 and 360 attempts in the two years before his injury; that's not bad. Yes the last two years he's down in the thirties, but if he's truly healthy then possibly a return to 42-43% is not out of the question.
One problem is his three point shooting has been in the low 30's forever. Even if he's healthy he's only going to shoot around 32%.
If it weren't for serious issues with a me first attitude, and not being known as committed on the defensive end, I'd say sure let's sign him. But taking into account that he gives you no perimeter shooting, low efficiency, attitude issues, and a real likelihood of injury, I'd have to say the smart move would be to pass.
Throwing yourself at someone who appears glamorous, but beneath the surface is a pretty ugly person is just bad karma. Signing McGrady is just not a smart move. Unless they can make a trade, bring on.. Roger Mason I guess(?). Wish there was a better option, but he'll do I guess.
If he is coming off the bench he is likely on the floor with Korver/Watson/both who I thought could shoot the 3.
Am I missing something about his attitude? Is he shown to be like T.O.? I just don't remember it. I think Houston let him go mainly because of injury and huge contract (NY wanted the expiring). If it was all attitude it is news to me.
I feel the same way Reese1:
If Tmac proves to be healthy and is willing to accept his role, then I think the Bulls should sign him. This guy is a multiple time all star and if he is ready to play team ball on both ends of the court, he could be a steal and a major contributor.
This is a super low risk and TMAC will be worth every penny of his $3M or whatever low # the Bulls sign him to. He has something to prove, has made his Millions and wants to gain some respect back.
I also wouldn't put lots of stock into his #s last year, He has been working out hard, has family ties here, and wants to play bad for the Bulls...give TMAC a chance people!!!
I know we promised Brewer a starting SG spot, but if TMAC outplays him then he deserves to start although I see TMAC as a valuable SG/SF backup 6th Man. He isn't a 12th man, he will probably take away KK's minutes, but KK is a pure shooter so they aren't the same type of player.
TMAC was one of the best and if he is 1/2 of what he was, even less then that and plays Team ball then I'm all for it!!!
GO BULLS!!!!
Look at how much washed up vets like Brad Miller are making!
Not trying to diss B-Rad, I liked the guys here and watching him in Sacramento when I lived there, but TMAC for under the MLE is a good deal! He will do his best and has something to prove! He is very hungry to play good and be a BULL!!!
You cannot compare Miller to TMAC.. Brad is a big guy and is not being paid for his athletic ability or shooting ability. Shooting is a bonus you get from Brad. I know lot of players are getting big money more than their perceived value.
But...TMAC is totally different....look at Josh Howard->a similar player coming back from injury...has no contract.
Look at Iverson last year when everybody in the universe knew he was done as a main player and had to be a backup. He got cut by 2 teams...
Iverson is a undersized quard who relied on speed to get his shot off. He lost the speed and cant create the shot.
McGrady is 6-8 and can score many ways.
That won't happen if it went as well as I heard it did. The issue is do they offer him a non-guaranteed spot for the minimum or do they offer some real paper? They want to sign him, but I think they are going to try and get him as cheap as possible. The fear is if they don't sign him and he seems healthy at this point, will he stay in the EAST (Miami, Orlando, Clevland possibly) or will he go West to the Clips or Lakers? They DO want him. Now lets see if they are willing to pay to win NOW. Because in a fuzzy Eastern Conference he could be a difference maker as to who wins or not if he's durable enough....
Howard is not healthy and may not be healthy until midseason. He's just as risky or more than T-Mac. At least T-Mac worked out for them today. Howard is still rehabbing. A guy like that (Howard)who can score hasn't sniffed from any other team in the league. That's why the Bulls will pass on him and is looking very strongly a T-Mac.
He doesn't want to play for them. The GM and him went a long way back to his high school days. The Clippers did him a courtesy call., They had already committed to Butler for their final roster spot. The Clippers sent a great referral to the Bulls who at the time were really luke-warm to the idea of McGrady. They were also targeting Butler, but the Clippers were Butler's priority. The Knicks don't want him based upon his performance towards the end of last season. Plus they exchanged one guy with a microfracture history with another one (Amare). Plus T-Mac really, really wants to come here and play. His family is here nad has been her for the last 2 years. He loves the city and likes what the Bulls did to try and grab some of the top flight Fre-agents. If for some reason, it doesn't work out then he'll move on somewhere else. But he wants to play here.
Hey Mitchell,(Are you the real guy?) All of what you said has a whole lot of truth to it. But the beautiful thing about this situation is, it's not the middle of the season. It' right before training camp. So he has to prove out at practice, scrimmages with other Free-agents who are younger, possible stronger. And if he makes it that far, he has to get through the exhibition season. So from now until then (Nov 1st), he has to constantly prove himself.
Injuries sometime happens because many things. Before Amare', I had never heard of a microfracture. I remeber many saying that his career was over. Well he came back too soon and to shut it down before being declared healthy. So while your comments are very factual about what happened then, I'm more concerned with the now. He has a lot to prove. There is a lot narcissistic attitudes in the league. I've seen them and spoken with them. But I assure you if they sign him, it going to be tough for him unless something now shows that he more healthier than ever. And only then can the Bulls make the call as to whether he's worth it or not.
I'm inclined to agree with Al on McGrady's comments. I wouldn't read too much into them. He'll have to compete if he's signed, and I'm sure the organization would cut him loose should he become a locker room cancer. The workout they're putting him through will, as Al rightly points out reveal a lot about his physical abilities. Looking forward to a completed roster and the season to come. Go Bulls!!!
There are some things that weren't written in regards to what McGrady said. I don't think he wants to be a role player on this team at all. I think he would ocme off the bench if he realized that he isn't the same as he used to be. That is the big issue at hand. I don't think he's given up yet. He still thinks he's go it and I would be eager to give him a chance. Sign him and let him prove that he's capable of starting. He wants to start and show that he's still that guy, now I'm not sure he is but we have to give him a shot. If he's willing to sign and try and prove everyone wrong then do it. But, he also has to commit to playing off the bench if the Bulls don't think he is capable enough to start. Like he said, we won't know until training camp is over. You have to take a chance!
Winning will take care of team chemistry and this Bulls team can win. Tracy McGrady isn't going to accept the role status just yet. I'm fine with that. If he wants to compete for a starting position then by all means, GO FOR IT! If he doesn't win the starting job he can always get minutes backin up Deng and Brewer. I don't see what the big deal is.
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*snicker*
I'm all for T Mac if he can check his ego.
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"Me and Boozer and some of the other key players" ... seriously?
It's "Rose and Noah and Boozer and Deng and some of us other key players" ...
Someone tell me how to make the shivers go away ... I can't make them stop.
Wulf, you and Mitch got the chills! LOL. Hey I understand. But remember, the Lakers Got Artest and won a championship. He's nut's. Stephen Jackson got robbed at gunpoint yesterday in his own crib!!! (Who is he hanging with?) Look T-Mac is no choir boy but potentially he's may still be a talent. The Bulls have absolutely nothing to lose by signing him now before camp. He either turns out to be terrible, then they will cut him, If he's better than expected, they will find a place in their rotation. If he's better than Brewer, then he MAY start... We have no idea what he's like. But the Bulls can find out from now until the end of camp to see if he's worth it or not. As a matter of fact, guys are going to go at him hard to see if he is back in shape or not to make their own case for themselves. Let it sort itself out....
Personally, I think they have a lot to lose ...
But I guess we'll see what they think. Man I hope they know what they are doing.
And I think this is pretty different than the Artest signing. The Lakers were the defending champions ... everyone knows who's in charge there. It's Kobe's way or the highway (as it should be). Artest would never have been higher than the third option on that team ... more like fifth usually ... and he knew it. It just doesn't sound like McGrady "knows" that yet.
And of course, we can't forget that Phil has done this before ... even Artest can't compare with Rodman. It Phil Jackson was coaching the Bulls, I wouldn't care one bit who we brought onto the team. And while I have high hopes for Thibodeau, this is his debut attempt ... why make it harder for him that it has to be?
Korver and Watson can back up Brewer in stretches....how much room is ther going to be anyway? Enough to keep him HAPPY...mmm?
I know this is a little off topic Silverwulf, can anyone suggest a good website to find boats for sale by owner in Washington?
sorry i mean in Chicago
When has he been a cancer? He got on the Rockets, and accepted a secondary role behind Yao - both on the court and in public statements. When Yao went down, he took public responsibility for their playoff losses. The ONLY thing he's done badly is his handling of his knee surgery.
Thanks Matt...
I know this is a little off topic mattblue, can anyone suggest a good website to find a business directory for Chicago?
Go Home....
And look - the other option is Eddie House. He's not going to get paid that much - why not try? I think the opportunity cost of not having Eddie House is worth the trouble of seeing if a guy who, at some point in his life, has actually been good, has put his knee and back problems behind him.
I'm confused what happened to the stipulation of coming off the bench?
KC and Sam hate TMAC. Especially Sam Smith, have you seen his daily mailbags lol the guy seriously does not like TMAC.
I need TMAC to explain, in great detail, how his team (the rockets) were significantly better when he wasnt on the court. They also advnanced further into the playoffs WITHOUT him then they did with him.
No thanks, TMAC