The
Bulls have been offering 2009 first-round pick James Johnson all
offseason, although the Trail Blazers have shown little interest in
Johnson in the past and other parts would be needed to make those
salaries match.
I've long pined for Fernandez, so this move would be awesome in my opinion. After reading this quote, my first thought was "the Bulls don't need to add salary" only to realize that it's the Blazers that would need to add salary in order to take on Johnson.
I'd imagine that if a trade went through it's simply a draft pick for Fernandez, and we simply absorb his salary which brings up the question: Do you give up the Charlotte pick for Rudy Fernandez?
The Charlotte pick has a chance to be a very high draft pick, but it's a very small chance. If you think about it the Bobcats would need to miss the playoffs for the next four seasons, and then be one of the worst teams in the league in the 5th season. Yeah, it could happen, but four years of missing the playoffs is likely to stock them with enough talent to not be among the complete cellar dwellers in season five.
However, that possibility is the type of thing which could propel the Bulls into a championship team if it all works, so I'd hate to give up the possibility of that scenario. Protecting the pick, so that the Blazers only get it if it's outside of the top 8 would even things out there, but then that's not much motivation for them to wait multiple years just to not get anything at all.
As for other possibilities, Gibson for Fernandez works straight up, but I'd rather have Taj Gibson than Rudy Fernandez. He's on a cheaper contract for an additional year, he's an excellent third big man which is worth more than a 3rd or 4th guard, and he's not a threat to leave for Spain if he's unhappy.
We could also throw our own first rounder next season in the pot for Fernandez. I'd be willing to do that for sure. I think it's a fair value for Fernandez given he really didn't play well next year and may flee the country in two seasons.
Finally, we could trade Omer Asik 30 days after signing him, and his salary likely comes close to matching Rudy's salary (otherwise, they could S&T a minimum player to us for us to cover the gap). I'd be willing to give up on the Omer Asik experiment because my expectations are awfully low, but Bulls management has seen him much more than I have and may not agree (Blazers may also not be interested).
I do like Fernandez, but he's not worth multiple picks or Taj Gibson, so if the price goes that high then count me out.
Filed under: Trade rumors
Tags: chicago bulls, portland trailblazers, Rudy Fernandez, trade talks
Nice to see that there is some interest, but I don't see it working at all. I don't think Portland is taking just a late first round pick for Fernandez, I don't see them taking JJ and that's about all I would give up for Fernandez. No way I trade the Bobs pick and no way I trade Taj for him.
Asik would be a way maybe, but I don't see the Bulls do that, b/c it seems they are awfully high on him.
I don't see how Celts could offer a lot more though and the Knicks don't have a draft pick for a long time. So who knows, maybe we get lucky and they take our pick.
I would not be worried about minutes. Let Ronnie and Rudy battle it out. Watching Deng...he plays well for about 30/32 mins and if Korver get 15 mins of SF or a little more when Deng can play PF with a small lineup.
I think Rudy can easily play for 18/20 mins at the SG position and 3/4 mins at SF during a small lineup.
Doug has made some good options for trading. I would say knowing Portland...if they can accept the Charlotte pick(if not in the top 9/10 and James Johnson)...that would work.
Mitchell,
Rudy Fernandez is a true SG. He bumps Dickey Johnson out of the rotation. That's why they want to include him in the trade.
SG - Brewer/Fernandez
SF - Deng/Korver
That's a BALANCE.
Mitchell,
Or they can do what I have been suggesting for quite sometime and that is put Dickey in the D-League.
That's assuming they can't trade his (low basketball IQ playing) ass.
can you stop calling him Dickey... It's annoying
Seconded...MrHappy you have a tendency to overplay your jokes. It's grating. We get it.
Reesel,
You don't know what Rudy Fernandez is thinking.
True, he probably does want to start. He might get that opportunity in Chicago. We don't know that. And some of the reports I have read suggest that he wants to stay in the NBA, but is using the idea of returning to Spain as a way out of Portland.
Let's see what happens.
Personally, I would PASS on all the remaining SG/SF's left in free-agency.
The Bulls' brass should pursue a trade for a younger SG and/or SG/SF and don't have to wait until the trade deadline to do. The earlier the better, becasue Dickey Johnson doesn't fit with this team.
I agree the Bulls do need a younger guard or another shooting guard that can score but my point is if Portland is playing hard ball then the Bulls need to move on and maybe Portland will soften their demands. Bulls shouldn't stand around and wait either, move on.
Reesel,
Absolutely.
If they want Taj, then see you later.
Move onto Sam Young. He's the SG/SF version of Taj Gibson.
BLUE-COLLAR GUY with a good work ethic and high character.
Oh!!No...not him again. I guarantee that by the end of the season...Sam Young is better than LeBron but you still will prefer Wade.
schaum,
Just to enlighten you on Memphis' roster.
SG - Mayo, Allen and Young
SF - Gay, Henry, Carroll
Given the FACT that Memphis just signed Tony Allen and just draft Xavier Henry, it wouldn't shock me to see them make Sam Young available for trade.
Plus, they are looking for ball-handlers with some point-guard type skills. As bad as Dickey Johnson is, he can do some of that.
I'm not saying this guy is in the caliber of DWADE or LBJ, but he could give the Bulls some needed DEPTH and MATURITY at SG/SF.
Like I said, he's in mold of a Shane Battier and/or Tony Allen type player with the MATURITY and BLUE-COLLAR work ethic of a Taj Gibson.
I really don't see why Memphis would want JJ on their team. There is less room on their roster for him than ours. As for the point-guard type skills, Mayo was being used as a point in summer league for them. They see him as Billups type build size and think he could eventually play point. They want to have Mayo, Henry, and Gay all on the court at once.
all on the court at once: I meant all on the court together. Sorry for the bad wording.
italia,
If they are looking for ball-handlers, then Dickey makes more sense for Memphis, than Young.
I really don't think Young wants to be the 3rd SG/SF on that team. If he came to the Bulls, I believe he would move up to the #2 SG behind Brewer.
But, I don't make the personnel decisions.
I prefer the Bulls go after S.Young, but overall I want them to add a younger SG and SG/SF, instead of settling for what's left out there.
And if Rudy wants to start then Brewer wont be happy and I'm sure Brewer has the better talent. Let's move on from Fernandez if Portland wants too much. No to Gibson and Asik, too much to give up on for a player that has too many question marks, sounds almost like Mcgrady except Fernandez can play a little, he ain't all that either.
IMO all Tmac wants is a fair shot to start, if he doesnt beat out Brewer then he will take a bench role. Whats wrong with competition?
James Johnson just made his ESPN Rumor Central Debut...
I don't think we should trade James Johnson. I think the guy can play and he seems like he has the work ethic to be a solid player. The only reason you guys wanna see him traded is because he never got consistent minutes. I think we should wait and see what happens in his 2nd year first. After Noahs first year everybody wanted him gone too but now you love the guy. I don't think we should trade him just yet cause we might come to regret it.
Remember what happened when Orlando traded Trevor Ariza to LA, and it ended up biting them back and costing them a championship.
M.O.N,
I want to see Dickey traded because he hurts the balance of the roster.
The Bulls need a #2 SG more than they need a #3 SF, who might not get any minutes again this year. It could be a win-win for Dickey and the Bulls, if he gets traded for a young SG.
How does he hurt this so called "balance" of the roster...
Nobody wants James Johnson, so we might as well keep the guy. There's no point in trading him right now. This team already has a nice lineup w/ Taj, Watson, Korver, Thomas, and James Johnson rounding out the bench. JJ can play anywhere from the 1 to the 4, you cant say that for most players.
If you wanna have a reasonable trade for JJ then trade him to the LA, and let him blossom under Phil Jackson, and a 1st for Sasha Vujacic. Then you can have your 2 guard. But as you say, Can he MATCHUP well against the SG's in the East? Vujacic couldnt even handle Ray Allen in the Finals 2 yrs ago so ill PASS on him.
As for your other LOVER SAM YOUNG (who is not a SG), what has he done significant that James Johnson has, NOTHING. I bet if we had drafted Sam Young and the Grizz had drafted JJ, Sam Young stats wouldve been looking exactly like JJ's and you wouldve screaming about how much we need to trade for James Johnson.
So morale of the story: Dont come up with trade suggestions for a player just because he didnt get consistent playing time for a coach that only played his best 7-8 players because he knew his job was on the line.
I agree...We have discussed earlier that JJ will learn better going against Deng/Korver everyday in practice and training camp than the D-league. But MrHappy just wants to send him out of town...and will be screaming how the Bulls Management screwed up by not developing/using JJ when he sees him prospering on a different team in a few years. The bottom line is don't trade cheap young talent when the value is down unless you are getting the piece you need.
I understand the need for another shooting guard but what I don't understand is why everyone wants to trade for a guy who 1 wants to start and 2 wants to go back to Spain when his contract is up. The Bulls management need to focus on the other free agent 2 guards that are left and try to address the issue again at the trade deadline. You guys need to stop the obsession with a guy who probably wants to go back to his country. I know the other guards that are out there are not all of that but the Bulls are not looking to give players away for nothing. If Portland doesn't want the Bulls offer then they should move on plain and simple.
Exactly, Tmac has attitude problems but Rudy Fernandez has none? lol i dont get it either....i like Rudy but if there asking to much, ill pass and just take Tmac.
FYI:
USA BASKETBALL is having a press conference at 2pm CST to announce it's cuts.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/27/evans-mayo-wallace-not-looking-good-for-team-usa/
Would love to have Rudy. Still has a lot of potential and he's a nice scoring option to come off the bench with CJ Watson. Please take James Johnson. Please take James Johnson. Please take James Johnson.
lol take James please!
KNICKS ADVANTAGE:
Don't people think the New York Knicks have the advantage to get Rudy Fernandez?
I do.
* If it comes down to draft picks, then the Knicks pick should be higher than the Bulls.
* If it comes down to a trade-able player, then the Knicks have more attractive guys to offer.
* Plus, who is the starting SG for the Knicks right now? Azubuike is hurt, so Rudy could start.
Just a thought.
What picks? The Knicks gave up the right to swap picks next year to get room for 2 max FA. And they may have traded their pick in 2012 too.
na,
I'm pretty sure the Knicks have their pick next year.
Check NBAdraft.net.
Rudy has becoms mythically overated, especially by Portland.
I would not trade Asik for him, you never trade big for small, and we are desperately in need of another quality big behind Noah. We simply cannot enter the season with only Noah.
For our #1 it is a no brainer. Charlottes pick should be kept until we have a better idea of what it might turn out to be, and not traded for the infamous 12th man off the bench.
It is interesting that we all think that we need another shooter at 2 guard, yet when we talk about a decent player we wonder if there is enough playing time, so how great is the need in reality.
Probably not huge unless of course there is an injury.
On another note, I hope that Deng plays no more than 30 minutes per game. He is not a supremely conditioned althlete and his performance seemed to suffer quite a bit last season when his minutes blew up.
Bigway,
When did Asik's name get brought up? I think he's staying with the Bulls.
OPTIONS:
I still think MEMPHIS or MINNESOTA could be the place to look for an extra WING PLAYER.
READ THIS:
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-summer-league-most-disappointing
That should increase his trade value....haha.
I don't think this plays a big role in a trade unless the GMs are reading all these websites instead of working.
You can see OJ Mayo and Beaubois are on the list too...OJ is almost on the USA team. Plus, if you read that JJ did well in Summer League 2009...How did that turn out?
It is all about potential with JJ.. Many of us want Xavier Henry who hasn't done anything in the NBA but not JJ who might have same potential or more. I am not saying JJ will be a star but we need patience and some coaching for him...
schaum,
FYI: I'm hearing O.J. Mayo is getting dropped from Team USA.
It's not about PATIENCE, it's about PLAYING TIME and the ROTATION.
Dickey will be the #3 SF, which will decrease his minutes and development once again this year. It's better for the Bulls and Dickey if he is traded for a #2 SG.
Doug,
If the Bulls trade for a SG, your boy Dickey won't be getting any playing time. So, they mine as well send him to the D-League, so he can at least work on his skills.
Mitchell,
It seems like the Bulls need him just as much as Portland, especially with the loss of Brad Miller.
Don't look for that to happen.
Keep Asik....if thats what they want an just sign Tmac then
Mitchell,
NBAdraft.net is pretty good at showing things like that.
I'll try and look it up though.
NEW YORK'S PICKS:
2011 1st Round Pick - Houston does have the right to swap with NY.
(Top 1 - protected)
2012 1st Round Pick - Houston does have the right to swap with NY.
(Top 5 - protected)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836
The Bulls should still be picking lower than Houston or New York.
I thought the whole reason Rudy was demanding a trade was because he did not want to come off the bench behind Brandon Roy. Is there any reason he would be happy to play for the Bulls from the bench?
Clayton,
I think it becomes a toss-up at SG if he comes to the Bulls.
That being said, I think he would have a better chance to start for the Knicks.
Fernandez is a better fit next to Rose anyway. If they can get a trade done for Rudy, it might be in the team's best interest to break a promise to Brewer.
So we will let Rudy Fernandez start but not give a chance to Tracy McGrady? That doesnt make sense...especailly with Rudy crying that he wants to go back to Spain. And Tmac saying he wants to be in Chicago.
Doug, do you think the Bulls might be willing to part with those two picks viewing them as potential salary burdens when trying to extend Rose and Noah?
McGRADY STILL IN PLAY:
Maybe?
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=396883&src=150
Of course he is....there waiting for him to accept a non guaranteed contract imo. If he doesnt, i think we will continue to pursue Rudy. Tmac is the better talent still imo.
if he accept to be a role player, he will be deadly coming off the bench... best 6th man in the league imo.
Im looking forward to see it happen.
THIS JUST IN:
Derrick Rose will be a TEAM USA FINALIST.
Seriously? I can't believe he actually made the team! There are sooo many PGs better than him.
...Sarcasm
I'm surprised Tyreke Evans was cut from team USA though. What other PG made it?
CUTS:
Mayo, G. Wallace, McGee and Evans.
It sounds like Rose and Billups might be the starting Guards.
The LAST THREE CUTS:
I'm guessing it will between these guys.
Curry vs. Gordon
Rondo vs. Westbrook
Jeff Green
Nice...
Boston can sell him that Ray Allen/Paul Pierce will rest a lot during the reg season anyhow. So he should get a lot of minutes there.
I hope the Bulls pick up Rudy. For all the positive press about Ronnie Brewer, the Jazz basically gave him away. We were hoping for Joe Johnson before the FA period and now we are settling for Brewer and Mason/House etc.. Rudy F. is a step at upgrading the talent level and he is a little more proven than any of the picks we wanted(Xavier Henry, James Anderson..etc..)
schaum,
That's a MAJOR REACH on your part.
Boston is a VETERAN team. Rudy would sit behind Ray.
FYI:
I wasn't hoping for Joe Johnson or LBJ.
I'll take Wade over Johnson and Melo or LBJ anyday of the week.
Melo over LBJ anyday of the week.
Well, here is the explanation from the Oregonian:
"Fernandez, 25, is unhappy in Portland because of limited playing time behind All-Star Brandon Roy and because of the playing style of coach Nate McMillan, who primarily used Fernandez as an outside shooter, not the PLAYMAKER Fernandez believes he can be in the NBA."
So it comes down to being a playmaker and McMillan's playing style. Not sure the Bulls would make him happy on both fronts.
Rudy Fernandez had one good year with 400 3pt attempts on 40% shooting. Last year he shot 37% on only 266 attempts, and did nothing in the playoffs for them.
Sure we needed to shore up our three point shooting big time. While I'm hoping Deng can make a big jump under Thib's goals of having he and other's launch many more(corner/he said?) threes; we still have added only Korver. C.J. Watson in one season shot 40% on 120 attempts, but then last year fell to 30%.
Really, why not add a guy in Roger Mason who we can pay reasonably, and don't have to worry about trading away possibly valuable picks. Mason shot 40% for two years on high volume threes 398 and 326 before last year's hand injury. If he's recovered from that he's only 31. Plus you get size and by all accounts a solid/committed defender.
Fernandez defensively has some quickness, but it's scouted/reported that guys still blow right past him. He had one good season. I think he's overrated. Plus he seems unwilling to play off the bench in minutes available. He wants to be a starter with starter's minutes. Adding a complainer to a new, gelling team chemistry? No thanks.
If not for his unwillingness to be a rotation guy I'd be interested. But he's not. I sure hope the Bulls if they do acquire him at most give up our own 2011 pick, and nothing more.
I would much prefer bringing in Roger Mason. The guy should have at least two good years left, can defend, and shoots volume threes for a good percentage.
Thats who Im kinda hoping for too. I remember when he killed the Suns on Christmas Day with all of those big shots. Thats one guy who has the "Clutch" gene.
RoadWarrior,
Isn't Roger Mason past his prime? What's he done lately?
Not a whole lot.
wade is a traitor!
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2011 1st (will not be a lottery pick) Late First Rounder
2012 1st (Charlotte Bobcats)Possible Lottery Pick
2012 1st (will not be a lottery pick) Late First Rounder
2012 2nd Late Second Round Pick
2013 2nd Late Second Round Pick
Luol Deng
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PG
Derrick Rose 21 /6-3 /190 /$5,546,160
Jerryd Bayless 21/ 6-3/ 200/ $2,292,600
C.J. Watson 26/ 6-2/ 175/ $3,600,000
SG
Rudy Fernandez 25 /6-6/ 185/ $1,246,680
Kyle Korver 29/6-7/212/ $5,000,000
SF
Ronnie Brewer 25/ 6-7/ 227/ $4,750,000
Omri Casspi 22/ 6-9/ 225/ $1,254,480
Shane Battier 31/6-8/220/ $7,354,400
PF
Carlos Boozer 28/6-9/266/ $14,400,000
Taj Gibson 25/ 6-9/ 225/ $1,117,680
Kurt Thomas 37/6-9/ 230
C
Joakim Noah 25/ 6-11/232/ $3,128,536
Jason Thompson 24/ 6-11/ 250/ $2,178,000
Omer Asik 24/7-0/ 255/ $1,721,000
Charlotte draft pick protection:
Top-14 protected in the 2012
Top-12 protected in 2013
Top-10 protected in 2014
Top-8 protected in 2015
Unprotected in the 2016 Draft
Given weakness of the East, Charlotte will likely make the playoffs this year barring injuries to Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson.
I thought i read somewhere that we can get the pick starting in 2011 or 2012 i believe. An if the bobcats make the playoffs an are a low seed, the pick is probably going to be 15, 16th, or 17th. Somewhere around there.
Doug,
We'll see what happens. I'm hopeful the Bulls' brass can pull off trade for a younger SG and/or SG/SF, instead of settling for the pick of the bottom litter left via free-agency.
RUDY UPDATE:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/2543882,rudy-fernandez-chicago-bulls-trade-28.article
The Sun-Times says a trade happening is not promising.
According to the article the non-guaranteed contract is there. McGrady has to accept it. Maybe he is shopping to see if he can get a guaranteed one before he makes his final decision.
Oh wow didn't know there were that many spots on the team.
REPORT:
The New York Knicks aren't going to give up Wilson Chandler for Rudy Fernandez.
http://realgm.net/src_wiretap_archives/68408/20100728/knicks_not_offering_wilson_for_rudy/
That's a bit surprising. Although, they may have their eyes on CP3 and MELO right now.
Let them go for it. If POR doesnt want our pic then I say F them. Don't waste too much time on this. Rudy is overrated and POR is a hard team to do deals with.
This is kind of off topic, but for all of you LeBron fans this is an interesting read.
http://deadspin.com/5598719/read-espns-spiked-story-about-lebron-among-the-naked-ladies-in-vegas
Okay so the bulls passed on Mcgrady for fear of attitude problems and his mobility, they said he could shoot the ball but couldnt move, which means they were turned off by the fact that he couldnt defend in today's NBA.
Now the bulls are looking at Rudy who is complaining about minutes and playing time, and doesnt know or cant play defense.
If we avoided one problem why are we revisiting the same problem?
RUDY UPDATE:
http://twitter.com/jwquick/status/19769635714
Bulls should go all the way and give johnson and cash if not go for shannon brown
we cant go for shannon brown, we have brewer. They are both the same players. The only difference is Shannon brown won the championship thats why he wants alot of monies! : )
If this doesn't push through (though I hope it would), Bulls should consider Belinelli.
I don't buy the article either. It would make sense if an offer was given and McGrady was looking around to see what else he could get, but we haven't heard anything so I don't believe it.
Isn't that what Kurt Thomas is for?
No! Fernandez is available because he's been unhappy in Portland with his playing time. He's constantly complained and asked to be traded. Isn't that what we were worried about with McGrady? He doesn't fit what the Bulls need anyway. He needs minutes and the ball in his hands to do anything, just like McGrady. He isn't going to get that in Chicago. The Bulls need an efficient perimeter shooter that doesn't need a lot of minutes or to have the ball in his hands. House would have fit role, although his size would have made him as much of a defensive liability as Korver. What about Luther Head? Morris Almond could be an option with his shooting ability and size if Thibs could get him to make any kind of effort on defense. They would both be inexpensive.
Doug, Charlotte didn't really improve much that I noticed. If they make the playoffs in the next couple of years, it's likely to be a low seed like this past year. That means a mid first round pick like ours was this year. Had we not been forced to give it away in order to dump Hinrich's salary on the Wizards, we could have picked James Anderson in this year's draft, and all this coversation about which guard to acquire next never happens.