Tom Thibodeau meeting did take place, Bulls may begin negotiations

tomthibodeau.jpg

Apparently the Sun-Times got it wrong (not that it's their fault given what Ainge said), and the Tribune had it right in my Thibodeau updates from yesterday.  The Bulls did meet with Thibodeau, and they really like him.

The Bulls are strongly considering offering their head coaching
vacancy to Tom Thibodeau after interviewing the Celtics' associate head
coach in Los Angeles late Wednesday night.

General manager Gar
Forman and senior vice president John Paxson returned to Chicago
Thursday and had positive conversations with team Chairman Jerry
Reinsdorf, typically a sign that contract negotiations will follow.

Mike McGraw adds that the Bulls met with Thibodeau a second time Thursday afternooon:

As it turns out, the Bulls management team was able to meet with Boston
assistant Tom Thibodeau both Wednesday night and again Thursday
afternoon. The meetings took place with the blessing of Celtics coach
Doc Rivers.

Though Thibodeau has no head coaching experience, he's at the top of my board for our head coaching position.

1: He's not a rookie coach.   He has a ton of experience, and he's been a part of deep playoff runs as an assistant.

2: He's not an assistant who's standing around taking directions all the time.  He's known as an architect of his team's defense.  He's a guy who knows basketball and designs plays.

3: He brings more prestige to the table than any other candidate available.   He does more to attract free agents than any other coach in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see how much Thibodeau's offered in terms of his contract.   Rookie head coaches typically make in the two million dollar a year range, but Thibodeau has three separate teams bidding on him and carries more cache than other head coaches.

Comments

Leave a comment
  • First off, I'm SHOCKED that K.C. Johnson got a storty right....wow!!!

    Secondly, from what I read Thibodeau is only a Top 3 Candidate.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5249698

    1.) Maurice Cheeks...best guy to develop Derrick Rose's game.
    2.) Sam Mitchell...solid relationship with Chris Bosh.
    3.) Tom Thibodeau...defensive specialist of a championship team.

    * In no particular order.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Much prefer TT based on Doug's reasons. Should have been hired a couple of years ago IMO. For some reason Pax hired big hair instead. How about considering Mitchell and Cheeks as assistants if they don't land head coaching jobs? After all, where else can they earn this kind of money?

    FWIW, Cheeks is a retread's retread. But he is a good teacher. I heard Mitchell was not popular with Rapt players. Perhaps you heard differently. But I would hire Bozo the Clown as an assistant to get Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I hate to say this, but after all my griping things may have worked out for the best. My other favorites were Jeff Van Gundy and Byron Scott. However, I personally don't care for the former Riley disciple Scott, and Van Gundy's micromanaging harping gets old fast.

    Thib's was named associate head coach with the Celtics for a reason. While I'm not convinced he's a natural team leader/head honcho, he certainly is knowledgable, and garners players respect. That doesn't mean one on one he's good at defining young guy's roles or an inspirational leader as a head coach, but there are no garauntess in life.

    He's a name coach associated with time tested success defensively which everybody knows wins championships. Hopefully this will be a sign to free agents that the Bulls are serious about putting together a contender. I just hope they don't insult him, and try to go cheap. This is a valuable/desired top tier name coach. I would think $5 Mil range starting for this guy.

    I've heard Thibodeau does design some out of bounds/offensive plays for the Celtics, but that hardly makes him an offensive guru. Even Phil needed a bright offensive mind/system. I just hope the Bulls and he realize the need for someone like that. It doesn't have to be something as novel as the triangle, but somebody with a track record of creative, successful scoring plays. And implementing them or overturning them on ocassion for his own calls would be Thib's place/right as the head coach.

    If the Bulls do these things it could be a good coaching and team atmosphere for star players like Derrick and whoever they bring in to become a part of this. Hopefully the sign and trade for Bosh will happen as LeBron has made clear that(Bosh or Wade) is what it will take for him to come to Chicago. Otherwise he's off to Miami with D(bag)Wade.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    $5 mil is pretty high for a rookie HC. I agree that $3-4 mil is fair given Thibs experience.

    And what's this "Lebron has made clear that (Bosh or Wade) is what it will take for him to come to Chicago"? I never heard that. Where have you heard it? I don't think another FA is required personally. It would be nice to bring Bosh (I'm still on a f*ck D-Wade kick ... for now) but if it doesn't get done, we've already got a nice nucleus and he knows it.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    lol, I feel the same about Wade personally. He gonna have to do some major ass kissing to fans if he wants to wear a Bulls uni and be accepted. As for Lebron, I still doubt he leaves Cle, but I personally hopes he stays away from NY and NJ. If he does that I will be a happy camper. I cant stand their fans.

    As for Thibodeau, I think he is our man. Hopefully he accepts our offer before game 3. I know we dont tend to negotiate with Coaches who have agents, but I think he is the best Coach we can get who has connections to Lebron.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    +2 Thibodeau's defense stopped LeBron....LeBron knows it too....PLUS Thibodeau is getting some great experience playing in the finals twice in the last 3 years.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    This is a positive development. Given the Keystone Cops' "coaching search" this is at least good news. Not only did they interview him, but they did so twice. Given they only interviewed Elston Turner to date, I guess this is what Gar meant by "deliberate". No doubt, the Hornets' offer (and deadline) must have spurred them into action.

    I'm not surprised they like Thibs, though. He's a disciple of respected coaching mind Bill Musselman. If I'm not mistaken, back in December when VDN was on the chopping block Bill's son, Eric Musselman, was one of the coaches they were allegedly doing background work on.

    There was a really good article in yesterday's Boston Globe on Thibs' coaching philosophy which descended from Musselman:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2010/06/03/attention_to_detail/?page=full

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    A nice read. I still dont know much about him but maybe he comes here and instantly blossoms. If he can get Rose to play Defense better, and If Rose can hit the three, we will be a top 4 team in the east with a few minor adjustments.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Yeah, the only thing that concerns me is having the personal touch. From everything I read he connects well with players, but making a decision like resting vets vs harping on defensive sets is something a vet coach like Doc would learn through experience (or playing the game). I just hope he doesn't burn himself or his players out on a pursuit to perfection.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    My only question is why Doug thinks he's a free agent draw. He may be for all I know, but you don't really give any rationale.

    He seems like a qualified coach. I'm not sure he'd be my first choice, but he'd be in my top five.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    I think its more about the fact that he has been a part of so many successful teams, that people will see this and FA will be attracted by his basketball philosophy.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Bostons defense was ran by him....and they have been dominant in the past years. Bulls players actually line up pretty well with those guys too

    Rose and Rondo- Rondo better defensively but Thib should help with Rose's defense

    LeBron (hopefuly) and Ray Allen- LeBron already better then Ray Allen on defense

    Deng and Pierce- Id give Deng the edge on defense...not by much though

    Noah, Taj and Garnett- Noah and Taj both have the size and athleticism to possibly roam around like KG does for the Celtics.

    Now we need a Perkins! Could it be Daniel Orton in the draft!? Maybe Kevin Seraphin (who i think could be a stronger JJ Hickson or a young version of David West)

  • In reply to Csharp:

    are any of the people on this site aware that Lebron plays small forward, and that he is closer to being a power forward than he is to being a shooting guard.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    I fond it funny how everyone can be so gloom and doom one day and it all turn around today....I said it yesterday that its laughable for us fans to be posting that an organization doenst nknow what its doing as if we can really know what goes on behind closed doors...but things are sounding good now....what a differnce a day makes when you hang on every word of the know nothing media turds (not you Doug, this is about the only site I bother reading anymore, but man some people are really missing the mark)

  • In reply to CN71:

    +2 i bet we dont know 85% if the things that actually go on in the NBA front offices.

  • In reply to CN71:

    +2 agreee....another thing i like about THib is that he knows our Bulls team pretty well too. After last season playing us in the 1st round he had a good look at us and his experience being in the finals. 2 out of the last 3 years...thats great experience for him.

  • In reply to CN71:

    I'm crossing my fingers that they hire Thibs before the draft, I think Noah, Dengs and Rose defense will dramatically improve with his hire. Any news on Pippen still getting the assistant coaching job?

  • In reply to CN71:

    WHY THE BUZZ?

    Tom Thibodeau is an UNPROVEN Head Coach. I don't get the all the BUZZ.

    To me, Maurice Cheeks makes more sense.

    For one, he would do great things for Derrick Rose's development, especially when it comes to steals and assists. Secondly, I have to believe Cheeks would bring back Ron Adams. Adams was a pretty good defensive coach for the Bulls when he was hear. I believe the Bulls defense was in the top 10 a few times under him. Third, I think Cheeks could get Pippen and Harper involved more with this team. Who wouldn't want that? All those guys have a past history together. Fourth, he brings RESPECT to the lockerroom and to the community. With his player and coaching resumes, it's going to be hard for anyone to not RESPECT him as the coach. Fifth, LIKEABLE as a person and as a coach. I haven't heard one bad thing ever said about the guy.

    Last year I screamed at the top of my lungs for the Bulls' management not to draft James Johnson. How's it that looking right now? Well, I'm going to do it again. I'm telling John Paxson, Gar Forman and EVERYONE else on here that hiring Tom Thibodeau over Maurice Cheeks will be a HUGE MISTAKE.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If I may quote csharp3410,

    "Heres a great selling point....Thib has been in the league for 18 years....15 of those years, his teams have been in the top 10 in defense."Thats a coach free agents can buy into.

    Cheeks was a really good NBA point guard, but as a coach has never made it out of the first round, and isnt widly recognized with success. Why would he be the best chosen? Cause he is from chicago, cause he was a PG and so is Rose, or because he used to be a head coach.

    Obviously Thib's is out man. We havent interviewed Cheeks and we probably wont. Cheeks, on the list of candidates reported, is still behind Frank, Turner and probably Mchale and maybe the dark horse in Brian Shaw. Dont count on him.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    He wouldn't be a bad assistant choice, though.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    I have a baseless gut feel that its either Thibodeau or JVG.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Scratch the Hornets off Thibodeau's suitors
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ahnj.AUM1VqsP8DOgvoJ6Ti8vLYF?slug=ys-williamshornets060410

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    the only thing proven about Mo cheeks as a head coach is that he hasn't won anything as a head coach.

    If that is the criterion then the field is wide open.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I saw the same thing booger.

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67013/20100604/hornets_agree_to_terms_with_monty_williams/

    I still feel hiring Tom Thibodeau is a MISTAKE waiting to happen.

  • In reply to CN71:

    How does this look?

    Head Coach - Maurice Cheeks
    Assistant Coach - Ron Adams
    Special Assistant - Scottie Pippen
    Special Assistant - Ron Harper
    Special Assistant - Lindsey Hunter

    PG - Rose
    SG - Wade
    SF - Deng
    PF - Bosh
    C - Noah

    That could and should get done. If the Bulls hire Tom Thibodeau it won't happen. In fact, I'll go out on a limb and say the Bulls will also miss out on LBJ.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The coaches look really inexperienced and I Scottie would not accept a job as an assistant. He didnt before, he wouldnt now. Wade isnt coming, deal with it dude. And if the Bulls hire Thib's, I doubt he will be the reason we miss out on LBJ. Im pretty sure Lebron would rather have a the best assistant coach in the league, who has a championship and is recognized with success, than a coach full of inexperienced assistant coaches and a head coach that isnt known for winning. Im pretty sure both Wade, Bosh and Bron would prefer Thibs over Cheeks. I think there is a reason he coached 8 years, made the playoffs only twice and got beat in round one. Only 5 playoof wins. Vinny did that in two years. Also realize, Cheeks only had 3 winning seasons. The rest were below .500, if u werent aware.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Do you have some kind of fantasy Bulls team/coaches? You keep talking about Wade/Cheeks in every other post. Cheeks failed twice and is a semi-retread. Plus, I don't think he is a plus to attract Wade, Bosh or LeBron. At the worst, he is neutral.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I think he is a negative personally.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    So if the Bulls hire Cheeks you are personally guaranteeing that Wade and Bosh come to the Bulls, but if they hire TT then niether of them will.

    Just want to be clear on that, since your predictions are always 100% accurate, after the fact.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    From what I've read (and believe) at this point I'd say Thib is the man and sounding like the first needed domino to fall in the Bulls favor. It just sounds like everyone likes and respects this guy (Kobe, LeBron etc). I'm all for it.

  • In reply to CN71:

    I'd say he's a domino in a tricky turn. One that you need to fall for things to keep going, but not the start. The first domino, to me, was us playing Cleveland hard and then them losing to Boston. Even if we don't get Lebron now, it put us dead center in the free agency discussion.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    LBJ UPDATE:

    He is planning a Nike "FREE-AGENT" Tour?

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67000/20100604/source_lebron_planning_free_agent_tour/

    ...before he stays in Cleveland.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lol, thats hilarious. Well thats good news for NY. They will continue to suck. Yay.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    LeBron is just trying to make some more money before he makes his choice. Nike is making a shoe for every stop he makes. New York is his 1st stop, New Jersey is his 2nd stop and lastly, best for last CHicago is his final stop of the tour. I might buy that shoe lol

  • In reply to Csharp:

    +2, I can agree with that. Numbers speak, and he has the ring to prove it. Maybe Rings after the finals.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Is this actually true? A free agent shoe tour is pretty pathetic. Is this guy a ball player or a company? It doesn't speak too well of his priorities . . . if this indeed transpires.

    For better or worse, I really doubt the Bulls will wait around and let him manipulate the process to sell shoes.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    LeBron has repeatedly used the phrase, including in his latest interview which will be on Larry "help me I've been embalmed and can't die" King tonight, "a team would be much, much better with Bosh or Wade and myself."

    When a guy keeps sending the same message on such a touchy subjet(what it woulde take to get him) I think it's for a reason. If you don't see this as a clear mantra about what he wants/it takes to bring him on board so be it. But that is defnitely how I take it.

    Whoever gets Bosh the Bulls or Heat will more then likely let's put it that way be getting one LeBron James IMO.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I like the recent news of this for a few reasons.

    1. The fact that he didnt accept the Hornets job, and even shot down the Nets, just to wait for the Bulls really showed how people are really plugged into our team. I hope this positive perception and bright future of the Bulls pours over into Free Agency. If Thibodeau really liked us so much, maybe Lebron and Bosh will as well.

    2. His name is going to be recognized with the Celtics Success. Idk how much of Rondo's progress you can attribute to him but the Celtics going to the finals 2 times in three years has to make Lebrons mouth water. How many times has D'antoni or anyone on the Knicks roster from last season been to the finals. This includes T-mac who hasnt made it out of round one.

    3. Though I hate the timing, which was probably appropriate given when they fired Vinny, I love the desperation and aggressiveness the Bulls showed in going after Thibodeau. Though he was already guaranteed a gig with the Hornets, we went after him anyways and he seems to be our man. And GarPax flying out to meet with a man 10pm in LA is something of a shock given this teams history of uninspired strategy. Maybe this is a turn for the best, and hopefully they keep the momentum up for the next few months. I hope they show this same energy and aggressiveness in the draft as well as in Free Agency.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Hopefully Thibodeau doesn't let Pax/Gar push him around like they did with VDN....

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    +2 i dont see it happening with Thib though....guy has been along far to long for all that. Plus if we land LeBron...were probably going to have a great season.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Just what the Bulls need is another "stinking trainee" like the clueless Paxson. Byron Scott would be a better choice, he would be up and running on day one!

    How many head coaches in training have the Bull's hired in the past and how did those choices work out with the exception of Jackson?

    While Thibodeau may a good choice, do you think that another "stinking trainee" would attract premier free agents?

  • In reply to Alex:

    I thin you could make a good argument for Thibodeau. I highly doubt you can call him a trainee. He has been around for a while, has a well known reputation for hard work around the league as well as being a defensive juggernaut. Also, I think his fingerprints over the Celtics success are little known to us but heavily shown by his team. Rivers praises him constantly.

    also, I keep hearing rumors that Byron Scott is lazy and stuff. He is a good coach, but I think if the Bulls didn't interview him, its probably for a reason. And they dont pick terrible coaches just for the sake of it. Vinny got our guys playing hard consistently but wasnt a smart strategist. I think Thibodeau can bring the good points Vinny did and leave out the bad ones.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Heres a great selling point....Thib has been in the league for 18 years....15 of those years, his teams have been in the top 10 in defense. Thats what im talking about.

  • In reply to Alex:

    Crawl back under your rock, no one in Chicago wants anything to do with Scott, who made his name riding Magics training wheels.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Look at how Rajon Rondo has progressed in Boston. Thibodeau must have something to do with it. He will definitely help Rose. Sam Mitchell might be a poor man's Doc Rivers(did decently in their first job and got Coach of the Year award) but he is a bigger risk as he has not sniffed a championship as a coach. Maurice Cheeks is a last resort and I read somewhere he doesn't want to coach this year anyhow.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Of course they are listed in some particular order;

    Mr Happy's delusional desires order.

  • Doug, sometimes you're such a spaz(kidding). (To the Bulls) $4 Milllion, 5 Million, just f-ing hire the guy, and don't dick around any further.

  • The only thing I worry about Thibodeau is his overall personality. Can he manage the egos/overall circus atmosphere if the team starts contending. That is not to say, he cannot...but that's a unknown. But, he has seen that closely in Boston..so hopefully, he has that.

    The other thing is how LeBron/Bosh feel about him? I guess LeBron should be ok because he experienced first hand Thibodeau's defense.
    I don't know about Bosh. He seems to be more of a follower and interested in twittering.
    Finally, the Bulls need to have atleast 4/5 starting caliber players who are 6-8 or more. They have Noah, Taj and that's it. That's why it's important to have a coach before the draft to get his input.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    According to many Boston players....they love Thib and they think he is great with managing egos. So thats a good thing to hear.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Yeah, that's one of the major selling points I've heard on him, coming from all directions. He's supposed to be very good at relating to the many different personalities on a team, and if you look around, it's clear he's still highly respected. Often times, when someone is good at relating to people, they don't get a lot of respect. That's clearly not the case here.

    Add on to that, we know for a fact he's a very good defensive strategist. We've heard from people he's worked with/for that he's also at the very least underrated offensively.

    I can't really see how we go wrong with him, unless his personality just totally changes when he's given the lead. Even if he doesn't prove to be good at developing players, that's ok. At this point, I'd far rather have a head coach be a strong strategist and fill in with strong developmental assistants than the other way around. That was ok the last few years with Vinny, and honestly, probably would have been for another year or two. But at this point we need to go forward with someone who's universally respected, and gets our guys ready for the next game. Someone who isolates a team's weaknesses, and finds a way for our guys to pick them apart.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    CHEEKS = ADAMS and maybe Pippen, who played under Cheeks in Portland.

    Ron Adams is a pretty good DEFENSIVE coach.

    http://www.probasketballnews.com/feeds/rssstory.php?rssstoryid=4453

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Excuse me, but didn't this Adams guy already coach the bulls? did we win a championship with him while I wasn't paying attention?

    I doubt that anyone in the NBA knows who he is, except of course for Joakim Noah, who probably becomes a free agent if Adams returns.

  • I thought i read we interviewed the Houston guy and Lawrence Frank!?

    See what i mean...we dont know anything about whats going on...the Bulls are keeping everything under wraps and thats the way it should be....Everybody keeps overracting lol Thibodeau is our guy!

  • He won't be a draw on name alone. (I would bet that nerdy fans like us know more about assistant coaches on opposing teams than the Free Agents do.)

    But I agree that we can sell Thib's track record better than the retreads.

  • In reply to mrasmussen11:

    The way his players speak about him, if Lebron or Bosh start calling KG or Pierce asking about him, I think it will be a positive, if not a draw.

  • $4 Mil works for me. I get that the guy seems to definitely want the job, and granted he's never been a head coach. And I get not kissing someone's ass like other teams/franchises do.

    But the Bulls have a reputation for bending too far the other way/being cheap at times. And I just want the coach, the league, and respective free agents to see this as the Bulls handling things "the right way," and showing some respect. Which they didn't look that way to the league and mass media when Vinny was hanginjg in the wind, and we did nothing. It's political granted, but it's a very important opportunity in setting the right tone going forward into free agency IMO.

  • I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Mr Happy has a man crush on DWade....I'm going to feel so sorry for him when DWade stays in Miami. My other limb says Thib would draw LeBron here as opposed to any of the other coaches I've heard rumored. Mo Cheeks, seriously, I dont get that one.

  • In reply to CN71:

    Yeah. Thib looks to be the hottest coach on the market right now. Whether or not he can coach is another story. The "buzz" would be the Bulls were able to get the best coach on the market.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    And don't forget the WWW connection. WWW is Thibs agent, that could be the connection LeBron really is looking for? Fun times to be a Bulls fan right now!

  • In reply to Dileg:

    CHAIN REACTION:

    Mo Cheeks would bring Ron Adams with him. Adams coached the Bulls to a Top 10 defensive multiple times, while in Chicago. Cheeks also is well-repected by Scottie Pippen. He could very well bring Pippen back in the fold. Pippen is good friends with Harper. If Pippen gets hired, chances are he's bring Harper with him.

    I don't know about EVERYONE else on here, but I would much rather see the dominoes fall that way, rather than gamble on a UNPROVEN Head Coach, who has NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE ON THE NBA LEVEL.

    MY BULLS STAFF:

    Head Coach - Maurice Cheeks
    Assistant Coach - Ron Adams
    Special Assistant - Scottie Pippen
    Special Assistant - Ron Harper
    Special Assistant - Lindsey Hunter

    * Plus, I'm willing to bet Dwyane Wade has tons of RESPECT for Mo Cheeks.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Mr. Happy. Who do you want more: James or Wade? I think wade but why?

  • In reply to vinmotors:

    Wade is a WINNER, on and off the court, unlike LBJ.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    As the saying goes, "Wade never won anything without Shaq", and that was fat Shaq.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Wade has respect for winners, Like Pat Riley. Wade has Maurice Cheeks won. Matter of fact, hat accomplishments is he even known for. Just because you have had experience as a head coach doesnt make you a good head coach. Look at Vinny. He has experience as a head coach. Would he be the best replacement for Phil Jackson? No. So stop with the crazy logic.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    What has Maurice Cheeks won?

    How about an NBA championship as a player and he coached 3 separate teams to the playoffs. Not too mention, he helped Larry Brown get the Sixers to the NBA Finals.

    He has plenty of credibility with Wade and around the league.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    How, exactly will Harper coach anyone? by using sign language.

  • In reply to CN71:

    Maybe, we can trade Mr Happy to MiamiNow. That would give him the best chance to be united with the love of his life(DWade), at least until Wade files a restraing order against him.

  • Maybe they had a master plan and did not want to tarnish TT by making him coach this team for 2 years while they were waiting/preparing for free agency.

Leave a comment