Some tidbits on Derrick Rose's off-season

Per Anne Stein to the Chicago Tribune:

Check out the whole article for details, but here's the4 most interesting tid bit perhaps:

In a typical workout, Rose will put up 400 or so shots from around the
floor, focusing on his three-pointer. The players work on ball
handling, lateral movement, creating a shot off one or two dribbles,
dribbling full court to a pull-up jumper and reading the ball screen.

400 shots per session doesn't sound that impressive to me.   We had rumors of Tyrus doing 700 shots a couple summers ago.  However, at the bottom the workout is compared to someone doing 7000 shots a week which is far more than 400 per session, so I'm a bit confused.

Either way, I'm sure Rose is working out very hard, and I like the fact he's working with Russell Westbrook since Westbrook can push Rose so hard with his defensive ability.

It's always good to hear some tidbits about a players' off-season, and I like the fact that Rose is working hard and working on his three.   However, let's be honest, unless we heard "Derrick Rose is at home sitting on a couch" we'd probably be excited.

So good news for now, but the ultimate proof of how well the off-season is going won't show until next season on the court.


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    The NBA game is going to get SLOWER for Derrick Rose, but his NBA game will get FASTER.

    That's a SCARY thought for the rest of the league.

  • NEXT LEVEL (part II):

    Look for Derrick Rose's MENTAL skills to catch up to his PHYSICAL skills.

    That's going to put him up there with the best of the best at PG.

    I'm really hoping Mo Cheeks gets hired so he can help get him to the NEXT LEVEL quicker.

  • (eagerly anticipating the epic conclusion to Mr. Happy's NEXT LEVEL trilogy.....)


  • In reply to evilhoban:

    Can't wait to see how it ends! LOL

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Hopefully there aren't any prequels. The best way is to make the impact with the trilogy, and then just disappear quietly, never to be heard from again.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    Unfortunately we are more likely headed for a Star Wars repeat trilogy or worse yet the never ending and repeating Rocky saga.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    HA! Best thread ever?

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    400 shots in 90 minutes plus an extra hour at night doesnt seem bad. i hope this guy mcclanaghan is a true "shot doctor" and can get more arc on derrick's shot, which he needs. i dont think anyone is too worried about his physical conditioning, but perhaps decision-making while tired to reduces tos, which is referenced in the article.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I'm really not worried about his shot, it made so much improvement over the season especially with it's arc. I expect it to be even better in 2010-11. His defense was the one area we haven't seen him scratch his potential. He did improve in that area last year too, so there's certainly hope for more. I'd like to hear more about his work there in the future, especially with a defensive specialist like Thibs coming on board.

  • In reply to evilhoban:

    I also want to see how Thibs will work on Rose's defense. Even though Rose would go through all kinds of tough defenses during crunch time and score, he would give up an easy basket a lot of times immediately thus nullifying his effort. I don't know if it was a combination of energy spent on offense or his defensive positions/aggressiveness was lacking...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If it was an energy deficiency due to holding the lion's share of the offensive workload, that should balance out more this year with whoever they bring it.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    it'd be kinda amazing if we heard that d-rose was working on off ball movement.

    the deduction that we ought to make would be really great.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    You know, people keep bringing up this same old argument about moving off the ball. I agree, his rookie year he really seemed lost with the ball out of his hands, but this past year, he really seemed to look to take advantage of those moments. He even seemed to dump the ball off at times, seeing an opportunity to take advantage off the ball.

    But the truth is, he didn't have a lot of people around him who could handle the ball in the half court. And those that could, often needed to be bailed out, so he couldn't do anything too crazy.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    nice to hear some stuff from one of our players for a change... Good to hear Derrick working on his 3, if he can hit that one regularly wow!
    Doug the article is written by Anne Stein not KC.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I want to hear what the other players are doing as well. James Johnson especially. Also, does anyone know if he is fully healed from that foot injury?

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Bosh says he wants to be the man and not the center piece.Get the full story at

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    My fault I meant to say not a piece on the Bosh video.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Personally, I'd prefer if Rose was in Chicago working with Tim Grover at Attack Athletics.

    Grover did as much for Jordan and Pippen's careers as just about anybody, especially thier abilities to extend themsleves on defense.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    I don't think trainers are a one size fits all kind of thing. If he has someone he's confident in and comfortable with, more power to him.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    THE NEXT LEVEL (part III):

    The question still remains, "Is Derrick Rose a BATMAN or a ROBIN?"

    I'd be cool with Bosh being BATMAN to Rose's ROBIN.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bosh doesnt seem that reliable to take over when all the pressure is on him. rose has already proven that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    But what if we get two free agents? Like DWADE or LBJ? Does someone have to be BATGIRL? SPIDERMAN?

    There are just so many super hero analogies to choose from... and in capital letters!

  • In reply to BigWay:


    #1.) Work on his ability to get more STEALS.
    #2.) Work on his ability to get more ASSISTS.
    #3.) Work on his ability to get to the FT-LINE (w/o getting hurt by D. Howard...haha.)
    #4.) Work on his ability to VERBALLY LEAD his team, on and off the court.
    #5.) Work on his SHOOTING RANGE FROM THE ARC.

    Agains, Mo Cheeks needs to be added to this coaching staff. He wasn't blessed with the PHYSICAL SKILLS Derrick Rose has, but MENTALLY he was one of the best PG's around.

    His MENTAL AWARENESS and UNDERSTANDING of the game is what put Mo Cheeks in the top ten in STEALS and ASSISTS all-time in the NBA.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i would add rebounding to this checklist. rose basically rebounded like a shooting guard in college. now he is barely average for a PG in a stat that tends to translate well. id like to see the bulls change their strategy to include him in rebounding more, because when he grabs a defensive board, you might as well put 2 points on the board on the other end, because derrick is going to score in transition.

  • In reply to Gavolt:

    I think the Bulls were one of the better rebounding teams last if thats why he doesnt have very many thats fine with me.

  • In reply to Gavolt:

    Great News...this is the same place Derrick went last year to work on his game. He did it with Westbrook last year as well. An we all saw what he did to his game last year. I think the assist will go up once he gets someone in here that can actually score. Thibs should help him a little on defense. And if LeBron signs...Rose should be even more confident about his defensive ability. LeBron, Noah,Deng, Gibson can cover a lot of ground. Id love to see the 3 ball continue to improve. If he can start nailing those then watch out. But ya, i would like to see some good off the ball movement with Rose...especailly if we can sign LeBron. That way Rose can cut and Bron could find him.

  • In reply to Gavolt:


    These are the starting lineups the San Antonio won their 4 NBA titles with.

    1999: PG - Johnson, SG - Ellie, SF - Sean Elliot, PF - Duncan, C - Robinson
    2003: PG - Parker, SG - Bowen, SF - Jackson, PF - Duncan, C - Robinson
    2005: PG - Parker, SG - Bowen, SF - Ginobilli, PF - Duncan, C - Mohammed
    2007: PG - Parker, SG - Bowen, SF - Finley, PF - Duncan, C - Oberto

    If the Bulls just ADD CHRIS BOSH, plus a few bench players, couldn't they look the same?

    2011: PG - Rose, SG - Hinrich, SF - Deng, PF - Bosh, C - Noah

    It could work, right?

    Thibs is a defensive-minded coach, like Pops is. Plus, the Bulls would have a top-level PG, PF and C just like the Spurs had. Of course, they need to find a quality 6th-man, like Ginobilli, plus a few other productive bench players.

    I wouldn't be disappointed if the Bulls' management chose that model to emulate.

  • In reply to Gavolt:

    I agree w/ another poster...I think Rose is good off the ball already. It's just that last year he didn't have anyone who could really find him other than Miller. Really all he has to work on his 3pt shot and his man defense. He will be ok...

  • In reply to Gavolt:

    Any thoughts on the SPURS MODEL?

    Could Bosh be a CENTERPIECE for the Bulls, if LBJ and DWADE say no to Chi-town?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Very difficult to tell.. Bosh is not equivalent to Duncan in his prime. Duncan is almost like a top 10 player of all time and fundamentally sound. The closest category Bosh might be to Duncan is in offense. Finding a 6th man close to Ginobli's talent is also difficult. Rose can probably be as good or better than Parker. Remember Parker was MVP of the finals and it is a lot different to excel in the playoffs when they game-plan much better.
    The team you are proposing will be definitely a good start towards contending for the ECF...but not championships immediately.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I don't know how many shots Rose put up last summer, but if his jump shot improves as much over this summer as it did between his 1st and 2nd seasons, he could easily be a top 10 scorer in the league. I'm also more concerned about his defense. And I hope the Bulls can surround him with more guys that can put the ball in the basket so we can really see how good of a facilitator he can be.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    DRose and Westbrook work out together every offseason since before they were drafted

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