Clippers / Bulls talking #8 / Luol Deng + #17 swap?

Per Chris Broussard:

I've been told that the Los Angeles Clippers could trade their No. 8
pick to Chicago for Luol Deng and the Bulls' 17th pick. I haven't
gotten confirmation on this from a team official, but this trade is
feasible because I know the Clippers aren't enamored with any of the
guys they can get with the eighth pick. Also, their biggest position of
need is small forward. Adding Deng would give them a starting five of
Baron Davis, Eric Gordon, Deng, Blake Griffin and Chris Kaman. That's
pretty formidable. While this eats up most of the Clippers' cap space,
they realize they weren't going to get one of the top-flight free agents
anyway, certainly not if Donald Sterling refuses to sell the club.

This seems too good to be true quite honestly.  

It does make sense for the Clippers in some respects (they'll miss out on the top tier guys, and Deng will only cost them about 10 million a season due to his deferred payments making him cheaper than the 2nd tier FAs of similar ability.

Still, I don't see why they agree to give up the #8.   At the same time, if the Bulls make this move and don't get back an asset they better be damn sure they get LeBron otherwise they're a lot worse off moving Deng for cap room.

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  • Bulls better have some type of guarantees that they can get Lebron and Bosh cause they are taking some huge gambles here. What if they miss out on both then what?... Not comfortable at all with trades right now but I know they can't sit still either. MAN... this is crazy. Have to be the most intense and draft ever.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    Don't get too excited or worried whatever the case may be.

    Both Doug and Sam Smith have assured me that there is no possibility whatsoever that the Bulls can trade Deng to anyone for anything, not even a bag of dog shit, this despite the fact that both are fans of Deng as a player.

    I on the other hand have said for a year now that the Bulls could/should trade Deng to one of the leagues have nots(teams that know that no free agent will ever want to sign with them). These teams should be happy to acquire an NBA starter who is signed long term will happily play for them collect his pay check and shut up. Deng is exactly that type of player, since he too knows how massively overpaid he is.

    Clippers make sense, and we are not just doing a salary dump, we have an opportunity to land a legitimate NBA player at 8, Noah was taken at #9 and none of you guys liked him then.

    Minny and Memphis are also teams that fit as have nots, there could be several others.

    Bottom line, any move that means that I don't have to suffer through another season of watching Deng is a move that I welcome with open arms.

    If this deal goes down, I will immediately re-up my NBA ticket subscription.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I totally agree with year being the most intense. I'm just glad the Bulls are players in these scenarios. The team is poised to be better any way you look at it.

  • And the most intense free agency ever.

  • Certainly agree that it seems too good to be true. If the Bulls are shopping Deng hard, this would be just about perfect. The Heat are clearing even more cap. Any advantage we can get, we have to take. This trade might just seal the deal for LeBron.

  • PAUL GEORGE:

    Why should the Bulls' management TRADE UP and get his kid?

    Because in a year he would have had the same hype, stock and game of an EVAN TURNER.

    Look at their Sophomore stats.

    http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?evan-turner=2008-2009&p1=paul-george&p2=evan-turner&remove=23-james-anderson

    How similar are they?

    GO GET THIS KID JOHN PAXSON and/or GAR FORMAN...PLEASE!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I bet they go for Luke Babbit, one spot ahead of Utah.

    Although both Babbit and George are small forwards, so when we sign Lebron, where and when will they play.

  • I heard on ESPN that the Bulls have been told to clear up space for a 2nd Max FA...But again, as Thibs said today Deng is one of the most underrated players. He might be a great 3rd/4th best player if healthy. Hopefully, the Bulls know something or just swinging for the fences?

  • The big thing I get from all this chatter is that we're being active. I'd be surprised if we don't get something done tomorrow or early in free agency to free up cap space, or at least changing spots in the draft.

    What's the opinion on moving up from #8? Where will #8 plus the Bobcat's pick and another 1st get us? I'm thinking #3 wouldn't shock me.

  • BROUSARD NOW FLIP-FLOPPING:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17058/bulls-clippers-trade-update

    This guy is driving me crazy!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    A possibility is that a backup plan is to force the Thunder into trading up a pick now that they have Miami's 18th. Obviously they're targeting someone, so we may be able to get 18 and 21 or 26 out of them if we pick that someone. Hell, I'd be happy with 21 and 26.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    I should add, talk of us moving up and not even having #17 would lessen the effects of a power play against the Thunder.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

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    BROUSARD NOW FLIP-FLOPPING:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/17058/bulls-clippers-trade-update

    This guy is driving me crazy!!!

    * I think he just says stuff to get ATTENTION.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The irony is lost on you.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    Ha! Nice one Shades.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    hahahahahahahaha

  • In reply to WearShades:

    i disagree DT. Luol might be a better player if we get Bosh. There might be more open lanes due to the pressure on rose and bosh. On the other hand, 3 months ago, we would have been delighted to get an expiring contract for deng. If we're able to swing a draft pick and pick up a guy like Udoh at pf, i'd be more than thrilled.

  • I love this trade and I agree that, while risky, it should seal the deal in regard to LeBron. I was personally never comfortable with the idea of having Deng and LBJ together in a Bulls starting lineup (LBJ's place is in the frontcourt and we need a shooter next to Rose), but trading Deng opens up the 3 spot for LBJ full-time. What I'm wondering, Doug, is whether the Bulls keep the pick or use it as a trade chip, perhaps to trade down and grab a shooter in the mid-teens. I'm all for keeping the pick and taking Paul George. He gives us the shooter we need plus great size in the backcourt. He's also exactly the type of long, rangy specimen that could thrive in Thibodeau's defensive schemes.

    It helps that the trade isn't completely one-sided. If Blake Griffin doesn't hit his stride right away (or gets hurt again; on the Clips, entirely possible...), Deng can pick up some of the slack at 4 with Kaman.

  • In reply to 919293bulls969798:

    You have to consider Henry there, too. I think Henry is a better fit if we were to get Lebron, but if not, probably George. On the other hand, Udoh and a number of other bigs we couldn't previously consider would be there.

    But, considering we just don't know what Lebron is thinking, I would take George. If Gar and Pax do know, well, things change.

    As is, I'd take George because he's more versatile considering the various FA possibilities. At 12:01am on July 1st I'd have Pax and Thibs with Lebron, but send Gar to David Lee wrapped up. That way no matter what we do for a wing, we have room to fill out the roster more comfortably without the worry of Bosh drama. If we can get Lebron, great, but if not, I wouldn't feel nearly as bad about Lee/Johnson as Boozer/Johnson.

    Then we still have a bit of space for a decent sharpshooter off the bench in addition to minimums.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    Actually once we have Lebron, Boozer(at quite a bit less than the max) might be the best option at 4.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Boozer on a new contract just scares me. I really don't have faith that he'll keep playing hard after this pay day, and his health worries me too. Not to mention, with so many teams having space, I just don't think he'll go for less than max.

    Lee's max is manageable, and he's younger and healthier without the questionable attitude.

    And we'll see, but Lebron might not be signing anywhere for a couple weeks, or until things play out. It would make it easier if we knew his mind on day 1, but what if we don't?

  • In reply to msalivar:

    Even if we trade Deng, we will not have enough cap room for 2 max contracts($33 million plus). We will be in the 31-32 million range.

    While this draft is not great, we would have far more options at 8 than at 17, thus this is not a pure salary dump.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    Maybe we repackage #8 and Kirk to another team with cap space or a really attractive asset or package of assets. Don't know who that would be though.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    This does seem too good to be true but if it happens I would definitely be doing a happy dance! I like Deng as a person and as a player but his value is high even if he's overpaid. This would be a great opportunity to move him, move up to a lottery pick AND create more capspace. That allows us to really go shopping come July 1st. Even if we don't get that second max FA we have capspace to absord a contract (i.e. David West, Al Jefferson, Bynum, etc) and still improve. My question would be how could we complete a S&T for a player like Bosh without an asset like Deng (and possibly Kirk)? Would we have to involve a third team that may be looking for cap relief? If so, who?

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Cap space can be used in a S&T. If Bigway's numbers are right, capspace plus JJ and Taj would be enough to do a S&T for Bosh (financially, maybe not overall to the Raps). With all that space, the Raps could absorb a contract like the Bulls could, such as Przyzbilla (butchered, I know) or Gortat.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I suggested this on a different blog yesterday morning, but minus the 8th pick. And I'm still not sure it's worth the risk unless the Bulls have already gotten some kind of hush-hush assurance that they actually will be able to sign 2 of the top 3 or 4 FAs if they have the cap room.

    And like Doug, I'm not sure why LA would give up the 8th pick unless the Bulls insisted on it and LA REALLY likes Deng. But that would somewhat sweeten the deal in case the Bulls miss out on a top FA...but only somewhat. And they'd still have cap space available to go after a few 2nd and 3rd tier FAs that could fill some holes.

  • In reply to 919293bulls969798:

    The Clippers have one goal. Make Money. Deng is a cost effective way to get them to the playoffs and gain more revenue. Lebron won't go there with Sterling as owner. Rudy Gay is going to get near max money. The 8th pick won't get you to the playoffs. Luol Deng is just good enough to get them there. His contract is bad until you look at their options. He is the moost cost effective and court effective option out there.

    The last Duke Blue Devil that came from the Bulls pushed them into the playoffs. Deng would give them an additional scorer and rebounder. He wouldn't even need to shoot that many threes because Baron Davis and Eric Gordon are gunners. Swapping picks may be too much to ask, but it's worth a shot.

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