Celtics denying Bulls talking to Thibodeau

Per the Sun Times:

''I don't know a thing about it,'' Danny Ainge, the Celtics' executive
director for basketball operations, told the Sun-Times in an e-mail
sent shortly before 11 p.m. Chicago time.

With the Celtics
scheduled to play Game 1 of the NBA Finals tonight against the Los
Angeles Lakers at Staples Center, Paxson and Forman would be guilty of
an enormous breach of NBA protocol and ethics if they attempted to
interview Thibodeau without Ainge's explicit consent while the Boston
postseason continues.

Said Jeff Twiss, Boston's veteran vice
president of media relations: ''Unless I'm missing something here,
everything on the court involving the Boston Celtics -- personnel,
coaches, support staff -- is under Danny's watch. Everything goes
through him. That's just the way it is in our organization.

Danny doesn't know anything about it, quite simply, we're denying it,''
Twiss said. ''I am very surprised. Times have changed, but there still
are normal policies and procedures.''

Asked if there's any
chance Paxson and Forman have received permission to interview
Thibodeau, Twiss reiterated: ''Again, Danny is the only one who could
answer that question, and he has said quite clearly, 'No.'''

The article goes on to allude to this simply being gamesmanship by the Bulls to go to L.A. to convey interest even if they're not talking. 

Seriously, if they're going to L.A. to convey interest and blew the window to actually speak with him for five days then what the heck are they thinking?

Unless of course, they really aren't interested, but then why go to L.A.?

It's hard to rationalize this into something that doesn't make the front office look like the keystone cops again.


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    Here's another guy with great credibility (sarcasm).


  • Doug,

    You asked, "Why go to LA?"

    - Derrick Rose is training there.
    - Paul George is out there.
    - Chris Bosh is spending time out there.
    - Brian Shaw coaches in LA.
    - Phil Jackson coaches in LA.

    How about those reasons?

    Maybe they could do some more BACK-CHANNEL communicating...haha.

  • Jesus. What else is new? Anyway barring this turning into a fiasco if it already hasn't, I was just going to say if they do hire Thib's they need to pair him with a bright offensive mind similar but in reverse to his current situation with Doc/the Celtics.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    +2....They have said that Thibodeau actually does draw offensive plays set and inbound plays for Boston...So the guy does know about the offensive end. Plus Id hire Pippen to become a assistant coach since Thib will need a staff. Thibodeau and Pippen together could make for some incredible defensive schemes.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I actually broached this idea on realgm earlier this week but didn't get any responses. I think having Scottie as an assistant would be a great addition to the team and gets Scottie some tangible experience if he really wants to be a head coach someday. I think his impact on James Johnson would be the most significant as I think JJ has the skillset to be Scottie Pippen-lite.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I'd love Pippen to be an assistant, but IMO he always said he wants a HC position to start with. I would have liked Pippen as a HC if the Bulls had fired VDN in December so he could get some experience during this season and to see if he got it in him, but now I would only want him as an assistant. And I think he would be a good one, he can relate to players pretty good and he was already sort of developing players in his last players stint here.

  • In reply to rodman:

    Yea...plus guys will respect Pippen. Even LeBron would if he comes here. I think Pip could help out a ton of our guys...Deng,Rose,Taj,Noah,James Johnson etc..

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    The Sun-Times story speculates that since Ainge has not given permission/knows nothing about a meeting, that perhaps Gar/Pax want to watch the Finals in person. To watch Thibodeau in action.

    Suppose win or lose Doc Rivers does call it quits as is being rumored. That means Thibs could be in line for the Celltic's head coaching job. So maybe the Bulls want to be in line for either Rivers or if he stays then Thib's. This could explain the waiting. Though I hate to give these guys an out.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I still say Thibs for coach, if Doc rivers is leaving the celtics its for retirement not for another job, so you guys need to forget Rivers going to chicago, plus he was friends with del Negro and we all know how that went. If the bulls dont get Thib, then the only other coach I would want is Cheeks,

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Tom Izzo? what is that about?

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    K.C. says The story about Ainge knowing nothing and Bulls not having permission is inaccurate. So apparently they have interviewed Thibodeau. So an offer/signing after the Finals barring Phil becoming available or some other craziness.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    Celtics probably dont want any distractions...thats why Ainge is denying it.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Ainge denying it CAUSES said distraction! Everyone knows Thibs is already interviewing and has already received an offer. If Ainge is denying giving permission, whether true or not, doesn't kill the story. It creates one.

  • In reply to MarkNorman:

    K.C. "I have no credibility" Johnson is doesn't know if the Bulls interviewed him or not.

    He's just speculating.

  • My guess is the Bulls know something we don't. Thibodeau is probably not interested in Hornets because of their ownership/long term perspective. He might also know something about the Boston Job itself if Doc Rivers is considering taking a year off. We can criticize the Bulls front office all we want but they have to take time. It is a different situation than the last time. The Knicks have D'Antoni with a reputation for not playing defense. The Miami Heat have Spoelstra who is probably worse than VDN. They are probably trying to get feedback from LeBron, Bosh on what kind of coach they like(Defensive Minded, Offensive Minded, Big Name, Players coach, Task Master, Need to be a former player etc..) if not the name of the coach

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Thats what im thinking. That have some plan that the press cant seem to wrap their heads around. Maybe they have finally learned to not let stuff leak to the press. Maybe the VDN punching bad situation taught them a good lesson.I highly doubt it tho.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    +2 totally agree

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    For some reason...i think the Bulls actually do have a master plan for this. Bulls dont need to hire anybody right now....were still a month away from July 1st...we might even wait another week or 2 to see if we can get some more back channel information. Bulls also might be interviewing Brian Shaw too since were there.

  • There more I look at our organization, the more I think we are so incompetent.

    Either we are really this bad and inefficient, or we have some genius plan that no one will see coming to make us instant contenders which a great coach and roster. I dont think thats whats going on but all I can do is hope.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Agreed! For such a "successful" organization as the Bulls, some of their moves (or lack thereof) are truly baffling. It makes me beg the question: do we have bad management or a bad "process"? Or both?

    You look back at Gar's post-VDN conference comments and he talks about "the process" and "usually they're 90% on the same page" or being "deliberate". Are these clues that this process is greatly micro-managed at every level so it takes much longer than it should? I find it hard to believe that these guys are this bad or this slow by skill. I understand that we fans are mostly unrealistic and that mgmt can't move at the "speed of rumor" but we're pretty clueless on what these guys are up to.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I feel the same way. Maybe this is where this whole too loyal to our people comes into play. Gar came out of no where and pax is a former player. Neither are truly executive types and certainly dont act like it. I feel I would do a better job but maybe im just outside looking in.

    I think they are either super genius beyond anyones comprehension or just actually this bad. I think its the latter.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Gar actually falls in the loyal camp, too, and didn't exactly come out of nowhere (even though it looks like that to us). If I'm not mistaken, Gar came over with Tim Floyd as a scout (or something like that). Despite Tim eventually getting canned he's been with the organization ever since.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Thats what I meant. We could have easily brought in a more name recognized person to be our GM but we went with Gar. I dont think anyone knew who Gar was before he become GM. Probably the players as well.

    I think we could have done better but we will see how putting this whole thing in his hands will pan out.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Hey Doug, here's an article topic for you: why not do an analysis of the success of assistant coaches hired as the head coach for another organization. The way I see it, there are a handful of repeated scenarios when a team starts looking for a coach:

    1. Hire an unemployed head coach (i.e. retread)
    2. Promote within
    3. Hire another team's assistant coach
    4. Hire the unconventional (i.e. VDN, college coach, etc)

    Most teams go with #1 or #3 which the Bulls seem to be weighing now. Outside of the mid-season firings, #2 rarely happens despite the fact that the players are familiar with an assistant and may have an established level of respect for them. That assistant is already familiar with the system, including its strengths and weaknesses. Phil Jackson (with Bulls), Avery Johnson (with Mavs), Jay Triano (with Raptors) and Lawrence Frank (with Nets) come to mind. Both Jay and Lawrence's hiring came as a result of mid-season firings but became long-term coaches with the team.

    I think the least popular and least successful scenario is #4. VDN obviously falls in this category along with the parade of unsuccessful stints by college coaches. But recently a number of "hot" assistants have been getting head coaching gigs but have not improved their already poor teams (i.e. Kurt Rambis, John Kuester, etc). Certainly they deserve longer to analyze before passing final judgment. At least three more assistants (Thibodeau, Monty Williams and Dwane Casey) seem poised to get head coaching jobs this off-season. I think some sort of review would make an interesting article.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Just to be clear I'm referring to assistants with no previous head coaching experience not "assistant retreads" like Maurice Cheeks.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I feel there are basically three types of coaches..
    1. Coaches who kind of micromanage/work hard/teach to get the players to some level but never win the championship(JVG, SVG, Jerry Sloan, Scott Skiles)
    2. Coaches who can teach/implement a philosophy/are like a CEO who can win championships(Phil Jackson, Popovich, Larry Brown(he might be his own unique type), Rick Adelman
    3. Average coaches who win a few games and keep getting jobs again and again..(Avery Johnson, Lawrence Frank, Maurice Cheeks)

    We need somebody who can be the 2nd type and hopefully it is one from the group of Thib, McHale,Byron Scott

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    What's funny about that third statement of coaches "getting jobs again and again" is out of the 3 examples you named they only have 4 jobs combined. Doesn't exactly meet the "again and again" claim but I get your meaning.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    No way the Bulls are unprepared for this summer. They've been working on this summer for two years at least. Look, GarPax has put together the best situation to lure a free agent. Give them some credit. If we miss out on Lebron, it's not something we didn't do. No way they don't have a plan. If we freak out over every article we're going to have a long June. It is fun though!

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    In GarPax we trust!
    Like MrHappy wrote, there are a lot reasons for them to go to LA right now :

    1. Phil Jackson
    2. Tom Thibodeau
    3. Doc Rivers
    4. Brian Shaw

    Maybe it's a way for GarPax to have all their top choices in one building and gauge their interest in the job.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I agree with RobD. While I appreciate the banter on this site....for any of us posters to pretend we have any clue what the Bulls front office is up to is silly. 1.) They arent really supposed to be contacting people, which you know still goes on...they just cant say...so no way we are going to read about it. That said I really hope they arent wetting the bed and am holding out hope they do have a plan...we wont know jack until the playoffs are over tho....now back to your regularly scheduled anxiety attacks...

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I think Thibodeau is waiting to see what Doc will do. Maybe he believes that he could be Boston's next coach if Doc leaves? I was reading somewhere that since he turned down the Hornets job he's a lock to be our new coach, while Monty Williams goes to the Hornets and Avery Johnson headed to the Nets. I hope we have a coach before the draft though...

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    On another note, have you guys seen that Free Agent Spinner thing on Espn.com?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Yeah, unimaginative. It catches your attention for a second, but grows old very quickly.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    especially when it shows noone going to the Bulls! or just JJ

  • In reply to Dileg:

    lol yep

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    This entire report is BS:


  • In reply to GreenNight:

    K.C. Johnson is a goof.

  • In reply to 1096ballenf:

    Like Mr. Happy and others said there is more in LA then just Thibodeau. I think he would be a good choice for the Bulls and it's time he got a head coach job. If we do get him it should go along very well with getting Bosh and Lebron or Wade.

  • lol agreed

  • I like your breakdown also but don't overlook the difference between assistants that are promoted from within vs assistants that are hired from outside an organization. I would think those promoted within would have a higher rate of success since they already know the ins and outs of the organization rather than someone coming from outside and starting from scratch.

  • There is a guy at work who is a Purdue grad. He said that he was on the Purdue website last night. He told me that he saw a note that a basketball camp (I think he called it the King James Invitational) run by Lebron James is being moved this year from Akron to the Chicago area. If this is true, it seems HUGE.

  • In reply to MagicKirk:

    interesting....very interesting


    President Obama, who must be looking for votes, has flip-flopped on LBJ to Chicago.

    His words...

    Obama offers another take on LeBron's decision
    June 3, 2010 5:35 PM Tribune News Services

    The president is on the record again about LeBron James -- and this time, the people of Cleveland may be happier about it.

    President Barack Obama told CNN on Thursday that it would be a terrific story if the basketball superstar stayed with the Cleveland Cavaliers instead of switching teams as a free agent.

    Said Obama: "That's a town that has had some tough times." The president said it would be a wonderful statement to Cleveland if James said: "I'm going to make a commitment to this city."

    The president stuck to his point that James needs to find a winning situation with a good team and coach. But he did not gently nudge James toward the Bulls, Obama's hometown team, as the president did in an interview last month.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    He doesn't have to. Lebron knows what team Obama supports. It's obvious.

  • We know that college coaches have failed in the NBA. But has there been any coach who played in the NBA and also was a successful college coach who got a chance as a Head Coach in the NBA? Most successful coaches in the NBA have played in the NBA except for a few

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