Bulls move Hinrich + #17 to Washington for cap space

Per Ric Bucher:

The Chicago
have a deal in place that would move Kirk
and the 17th pick to the Washington
, freeing up enough cap space to pursue two maximum-salary
players in this summer's free-agent market, sources with knowledge of
the Bulls' plans said Thursday.

It wasn't immediately clear what
Washington would send to Chicago in the trade.

The deal can't be
officially consummated until July 8, when the Wizards will have room
under the salary cap to absorb Hinrich's $9 million contract without
having to send back anything of similar value.

Since it's a
good-faith deal for the time being, there remains a chance it could fall
apart. But according to one source, the Sacramento Kings
are prepared to make a similar deal with the Bulls in the Wizards'
stead if that were to happen.

As far as I can tell, this doesn't quit get the Bulls 2 max FA room unlikely what the report says.   The last cap estimate I had was 56.1 million dollars.   The Bulls will have enough room for a $14.3 million dollar offer after signing one maximum free agent.

Granted, they can make a S&T for Bosh using their cap room and not have to send back almost any salary at this point.   Something like Bosh for Gibson + Johnson + Charlotte pick + 2011 1st would work under the cap.

Assuming Toronto is still willing to trade S&T Bosh, the Bulls will have plenty to offer.

This also might fit with the report from an internet friend that the Bulls already agreed to terms with Joe Johnson in a handshake deal for 4 years 60 million.   That deal would start at 13.4 million, and leave enough for a maximum contract player afterwards.

Now a Joe Johnson, Derrick Rose, LeBron James core is awesome, but it's not exactly diversifying your assets with all of your scoring coming from the perimeter and having three guys who want the ball on the outside.  

Still, the Bulls have a ton of options in front of them. 

Interesting that KC Johnson just reported that the Bulls wouldn't trade Hinrich/Deng solely for financial flexibility, but wanted something back.  It appears very much that they did just that and had to give something up to make it happen.


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  • I'm still waiting on KC Johnson to confirm it.

    If it's only a handshake deal, then INDIANA or SACRAMENTO could still get involved.

  • Don't be shocked to see James Johnson go next. That gives them the max.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    James Johnson? I'd much rather see Deng go. I would've rather see him go instead of Hinrich, if only one had to go. Hinrich going concerns me for two reasons: 1) Still having Deng who plays the same position as LeBron means even if we get LeBron, Deng will probably be a $10M bench player, and that doesn't make sense. 2) Letting go of Hinrich means we could be aiming for Joe Johnson. Joe Johnson will be 29 in a few days so he's not as young as someone we could've drafted at the 2 for less money. AND Joe Johnsoe didn't even show up in his last series against Orlando. He averaged about 21 points before that series, but in that series the highest he scored was 14, and in 2 of those games he didn't even break double digits.

    So, I like the idea of freeing up cap space, but I'm not excited about it possibly meaning we're aiming at signing Joe Johnson.

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    Agree totally, I would much rather have seen Deng go than Hinrich, especially since we had to bribe the Wiz to take Hinrich by giving away the 17 pick.

    However, getting Johnson for "only" 4 years is not as bad. Plus, with Lebron and Rose, Johnson will not have any pressure on him, and he will likely perform much better in the playoffs than he did this year when he had to try to carry the Hawks, at least scoring wise. Teams will have 2 other guys to worry about before they eve think about Johnson.

  • First I read about the Johnson thing, if he's going to be coming to Chicago and LeBron comes as well, what does the starting lineup look like? Is Deng coming off the bench, or would LeBron/Deng start at forward? Something about the Johnson handshake deal doesn't make sense unless they're not going to go after LeBron or don't think he's coming.

    All of that said, if LeBron stays in Cleveland and the Bulls manage to bring in Johnson and Bosh after dealing Hinrich, this offseason has to be considered a pretty solid one right? Rose-Johnson-Deng-Bosh-Noah would be a really nice starting 5, and they'd be landing 2 of the best players to leave their old teams. Add a perimeter defender at some point and a third big to have in a rotation and thats a nice squad.

  • In reply to derza222:

    Same thought that I had, trading Hinrich, keep Deng and bringing Johnson for less than the max seems to be preparing for not getting Lebron but getting at least one of the free agent 4's.

    This is not the worst strategy, but I certainly hope that they are not even thinking about giving up on Lebron.

    IF you do land Lebron and Johnson, you still have Taj at 4, and if you bring Asik over, you have a 3 man big man rotation of NOah, Asik and Taj, is that enough to get it done with Rose, Johnson and Lebron on the wings?

    I think that it is, assuming that Asik is not a complete bust.

  • They can probably do a S & T for Bosh using another mid-level FA whom Toronto likes by signing him and using him for a S &T.

    If they get Joe Johnson for 4 years/60 mil....that would be pretty good. I believe he will be a lot better with a good PG who can take it inside the paint and has quickness which Atlanta did not have. He is like Deng in the sense a good player but shouldn't end up in a bigger contract than he is worth...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    He is much, much, much better than Deng.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    also 5 years older than deng

  • Yeah I think we're a lock to get Joe Johnson, that talk that he had with Jamal Crawford must've had some kinda effect on his decision.


  • I stille think that we are dumping the wrong guy, Deng should first

    If the Bulls are indeed salary dumping Hinrich for nothing and giving up the 17th pick to do so, then I have to believe that they are getting strong back channel information to make room for a second free agent at join Lebron in Chicago, is it Bosh, maybe it is Johnson, I guess the second guy matters less as long as t he first guy is Lebron.

  • At a minimum we should at lesat get back the 30th pick from the Wiz

  • In reply to BigWay:

    after the draft, we are not getting the 30th, they traded it to someone else.

  • K.C. Johnson has chimed in.


    I still wish it would be INDIANA for #10 (PAUL GEORGE).

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Well, at least you were right about something, George went at 10 to Indiana. I wonder if this guy will finally end up being the next Scottie Pippen, there are some similarities alghough George is a far better shooter coming out.

  • I think this is what is going on:
    1. The Bulls sign Joe Johnson for 4 years/60 mil
    2. Sign LeBron for a max contract
    3. Trade Deng for Gortat and Pietrus.

    The team is: Noah,Gortat,LeBron,Joe Johnson, Rose with a bench of Taj, James Johnson and Pietrus

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    They need CHRIS BOSH, not GORTAT or either JOHNSON.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Of course, Bosh would be good. But it is based on the rumor of Joe Johnson having a wink-wink deal with the Bulls. If they can sell Toronto on a S & T for Bosh, that would be great. They are just preparing for other alternatives i.e. if Bosh decides to go to Miami.

    Also, if u have Rose, LeBron, Joe Johnson u have enough offense and Gortat/Noah can just take care of defense/rebounds better than a Bosh/Noah combination.
    BTW, The Hinrich deal is a good sell by Gar/Pax. He can be a combo guard and has handled playing/mentoring a first-pick PG.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Toronto just drafted a PF in the lottery suggesting that they don't expect Bosh to return. I don't know who starts for Toronto at the 3, but I know a guy that will be GREAT for them...LUOL DENG! If we do a sign and trade for Bosh, we can possibly end up with Bosh, Lebron AND Johnson. Wow...along with Rosd and Noah, we would probably come out of the east and quite possibly win the championship.

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    Wait...did someone just say that Gortat and Noah would be better that Bosh and Noah? Are you serious. Bosh averaged 24 and 10 and Gortat average 3.6 points and 4.2 rebounds. How in the world will Gortat be better with Noah than Bosh?!

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    he just said rebounding please read

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    The dream has always been an S&T for Bosh using Deng as the primary bait, regardless of anything else that happens. We would have to include at least James Johnson, Taj and maybe even Asik to make the salaries work.

    Pretty much the scenario that I stated above without involving a third team.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If it was such a good sell, we wouldn't have had to bribe them with the 17th pick, we would have at least gotten thier 30th pick back.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Mr Happy, I agree!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    How many titles has Bosh won again.

    It is amazing how you fixate on something and cannot see the forest for the trees.

    Bosh has less playoff wins than Sasha Vujacic and Adam Morrison have rings.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    you're right, let's bring in adam morrison cuz he's got rings. it must be because of adam's killer instinct and vujajic's winning attitude. it's not like they have any other players on their team.

    ok look. if lebron played with toronto's team, there's no way he'd come close to winning a championship. same with kobe. you can't blame bosh for not having pieces around him.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    If the Bulls, indeed, get the 2nd round pick from the Wizards as K.C. Johnson reports,, it would've been swell if it were this year 2nd rounder (35th overall), and the Bulls used it on Mikhail Torrance.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    I'd think the chances of this are pretty high right now, other than maybe James Johnson being history.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    rather trade deng for boozer than..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Noah is not likely to start at the 4 position. He started and played more at the 5. Gortat is definitely a 5 and I don't see him starting before Noah at that position, and Gortat is not a power forward. Bosh is a PF and he would work in our starting lineup along with Noah. If we got Gortat he'd backup Noah at the five while Gibson, who we need to keep, will backup Bosh at the four spot. IF we get Bosh and/ or Gortat.

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    Noah is probably more a PF than C.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    No, he is not, if you have been watching the games. He is a situational 4, not full time

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    Posting this after Rd2P18... can we please buy a couple frackin' picks to get Alabi and Torrance already. How is Alabi especially still on the board?

  • In reply to msalivar:

    I can't believe Torrance just went undrafted, hopefully we invite him to summer league.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    My thought exactly, I wanted Alabi at 17, although I am not complaining about Seraphin, too bad he is going to Washington, can we substitue JJ for the 17.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    At least if it falls through, I won't be so disappointed as if we got stuck with some stiff.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    That would be an insane home run. Gortat cannot play power forward. Don't forget about Asik on that bench.

    However, at that point you could almost package Gibson, Johnson, Pietrus and Gortat for Bosh, throw in Asik if necessary.

    Leaving the Bulls with "only" five guys

    Rose, Johnson, Lebron, Bosh and Noah.

  • Exactly

  • Not only dumping Hinrich was easier but it is also way less risky. The chances of James coming to Chicago are still less than 50% and if he does not dumping Deng for cap space would be a disaster, while it will be much easier to replace Hinrich (e.g. with the same Joe Johnson.)

  • In reply to robert:

    Agreed, unless we get James I want to keep Deng. I'm afraid that if we were to dump him now, we'd end up overpaying Gay out of desperation.

  • In reply to robert:

    The Bulls are doing exactly what I had hoped for months ago.. shooting for the stars, at the risk of landing on their face. It's better to shoot for a dynasty (or even one ring) than to settle for a mediocre playoff team, or even a 3/4 seed that can never make it over the hump.

  • In reply to robert:


    Luol Deng and James Johnson to New Orleans for James Posey, Morris Peterson and #11.


    Good idea...haha.

  • In reply to robert:

    That was only a joke. But still a good idea.

  • In reply to robert:

    There's a good chance that 6'9 Fresno State sophomore Paul George will end up at the 10th or 11th picks.

    However, it may not be for the Pacers or Hornets. Indiana is actively shopping the pick trying to shore up their point guard position. The Hornets have financial concerns with a salary cap that's way out of whack and their pick is on the market as well for a team willing to eat a contract.

    There are a number of teams that love George's upside and the 10th or 11th pick are both in play. Minnesota is one team that loves George and would like to move up for him, another possibility is Chicago.

    Then again Larry Bird is said to be high on Luke Babbitt and could wait to make sure he's not available at 10 before making a deal.

    It is considered highly unlikely that George will slip out of the lottery.

    * I kind of hope the Wizards deal falls apart, because KIRK HINRICH WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN INDIANA and PAUL GEORGE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IN CHICAGO.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The Pacers can't give us cap room. How does that help us achieve your goal of Bosh + James?

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Bosh wants a sign-and-trade.

    You put together a package that includes the expiring contract of Foster, Gibson, Johnson, Asik and Charlotte's #1 Pick or possibly Luol Deng if they want him.

    The Bulls now have ZERO SG's and I fear they will get a very OVER-RATED Joe Johnson via free-agency.

    They could have had the younger version of him in PAUL GEORGE.

    I don't like the trade. I feel like this could be a MISTAKE.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    The Bulls need a young SG. They night isn't over yet, so I'm still hopefull.

    Although, I'm not optimistic with this KNUCKLEHEAD management.

    Trade JJ for a SG and I'll be happy.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    These knuckleheads are about to land LeBron James.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You don't know that.

    It looks to me like they are lining up to get JOE JOHNSON.

    LBJ could stay in Cleveland, his home area, or head to NYC, where he is headed first on July 1. I don't like the trade. The Bulls could have had a younger version of Joe Johnson in Paul George.

    Instead they look to be zeroing in on OVER-PAID and OVER-RATED player.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Happy, Joe Johnson will be ok for a few years with the Bulls as long as he has the right players around him. He will not get a max deal so the Bulls can sign another shooting guard in free agency.

  • In reply to Reese1:

    I'm not a fan of Joe Johnson at all. He's older and over-rated.

    I would rather have WADE, who is better, or a younger player like Morrow or George.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The four year contract he's said to be accepting would fix that right up. He might decline a bit in his last year, but it shouldn't be a problem.

    It sounds to me like he's going into the ring chasing mode just enough to make him attractive to us. I think he realized that he's not going to win being the first option, and started missing the Phoenix days of having an elite point guard to set him up.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I just read that the Bulls will receive $3m from Washington for the rights to the 17th pick. That gives us even more $ under the cap in addition to Hinrich's $.

    Supposedly Miami has about $45M in cap space after cleaning house. But half of that (or more) is going to Wade. So that only leaves them $22m or so. They're probably not going to get 2 of the other big time players with only that amount remaining. Maybe 1 other guy, which would still be impactful. But because 1 of our superstars (Rose) is already under contract, our salary cap $ can do more than Miami's.

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    I'm sorry but I am not impressed with what Miami is doing. They are rebuilding and yeah they have Wade but nothing else. I know they have a lot of money but if I was a free agent trying to win a championship, I would not go to a team that is rebuilding. Everybody can not do what Boston did a few years ago.

  • In reply to Reese1:


    Even worse, all their fans just talk about the WEATHER and night-life as to why players should come there.

    Weather and night-life don't produce wins, last I checked.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    No, but they are very attractive to NBA's knuckleheaded players.

    I still bet you that Bosh ends up there.

  • In reply to ChicaliK:

    Mr.Happy you have more updates than Chad Ford or Chris Broussard. And atleast their updates are relevant. All you talk about is D.Wade coming the Bulls (NEVER HAPPENING) and tradeing James Johnson. Then you just make up studpid trades that will never happen. Please jus leave it up to the professionals, and get off your computer and get a life besides going to all these dumb NBA rumor sites. When 90% of your crap will never come true.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    NBA Update: Mr.Happy is a LOSER!!!

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    ozzy...don't talk about yourself like that. have better self-esteem.


  • In reply to MrHappy:

    my self esteem is fine big guy. its yours that im worried about, when all you do is sit on NBA rumor sites and post the links on here like your breaking news or something.

    Your first comment came at 3:44pm. and its now 11:24. So you have been sitting on your computer for about 7 hours consistantly posting comments. GO OUTSIDE, GO AND GET LAID, I DNT CARE, JUST GET OFF YOUR COMPUTER!!!

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    ozzy...at least i have ideas.


  • In reply to MrHappy:

    yea too bad your ideas blow.
    "lets trade james johnson just for the hell of it and because i dont like him"
    "lets get dwayne wade!" ( even though he has come out and said publicly that he is staying and gonna recruit for miami.)
    "lets get Evan Turner" when the Bulls have no chance in hell of getting him.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:


  • In reply to izroca:

    Izroca...are you a SICK or a CHILD?

    Grow up you a-hole.

  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    WAH...WAH...you sound like a BABY with all your WHINING.

    I didn't say the Bulls should get E.T.

    James Johnson SUCKS, so yes I want him traded.

    And DWADE is the best SG available this summer, so yes I want him on the Bulls.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'm surprised you don't capitalize "a-hole"....like "A-HOLE". It really emphasizes your half-a-swear more forcefully.

  • In reply to MrHappy:


  • In reply to ozzyk230:

    So we have ZERO SG's heading into free-agency. Isn't that nice?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I can only imagine what you think of the Heat then, lol.

  • In reply to mucha819:

    I don't care about the Heat.

    All I'm saying is I wish the Bulls would have rounded out their YOUNG CORE by getting a SG in the draft or by a trade.

    PG - Rose (21)
    SG - ?
    SF - Deng (25)
    PF - Gibson (25)
    C - Noah (25)

    * Johnson seems to be the odd man out.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I only wish that we had zero small forwards and another $13 million in cap space.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Not half. Wade will get around $17 million.

  • We are still in play to ship Deng to Clippers for their 8th...

  • In reply to mdot1986:

    I would rather see Deng go to N.O. for Mo Pete and #11.

    N.O. is apparently shopping that package.

    Plus, Mo Pete is really good friends with Chris Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The higher the draft pick it is better than getting a marginal player and a later pick. If the Bulls have done good scouting, they can get get a better player at #8 than #11.
    The goal is to have the best possible talent.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    According to John Hollinger, James Johnson could be next.


  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Moving hinrich was the right move, if we get rid of Deng, and james doesn't sign, the bulls will have a gapping hole, like they do at the SG spot now. I think Johnson is coming and hopefully James, but Johnson Bosh or Lee would still be an improvement. I dont see Amare coming here if Johnson is signed, because they didnt get along or like each other in Phoenix.

  • In reply to MrHappy:


    The Bulls may have gotten Washington's 35th pick.

    * There should be a SG available in the 2nd Round.

    - Dominique Jones
    - Jordan Crawford
    - Quincy Pondexter
    - Greivez Vazquez
    - Others

    Also, may the Bulls are getting either Nick THE GREAT Young or Mike Miller.

    Who knows?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I can't forget about Terrico White, Ryan Thompson and Darington Hopson either.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Now you are getting somewhere, of course, if you throw enough shit at a wall, sooner or later, something sticks.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Hey Doug,

    Outlandish question here, do you think the bulls would look into signing Iverson as a back up PG if he wanted to play for a contender? He's been considered a cancer and bad team player but so was Rodman when he played with the bulls, what if the bulls got James and Johnson and Iverson said he wanted to play for a contender would the bulls give him a shot?

  • In reply to Snypershawn:

    No-way is Iverson coming to the Bulls. They should KEEP ACIE LAW!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Yeah, I say "no" also to Iverson. But I wonder if Ray Allen will come for $3 or 4 million? Just a thought.
    Boston is about to draft. If they draft that 2 guard, James Anderson that may speak to Allen's future with the Celtics. But they need a another big.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Would love to keep Law, but he is signing for way more than the minimum.

  • In reply to Snypershawn:


    We can't give him the minutes he wants, and history tells us how horribly that turns out.

  • In reply to MrHappy:


    For the Bulls this was all about cap space. Much like the move the Miami HEAT made yesterday, sending their first-round pick and Daequan Cook to the Oklahoma City Thunder for only a second-round pick, this was a straight salary dump in order to carve out more cap space for this summer's free agency. The Bulls want to be able to have two full max salary slots available, with their targets being Chris Bosh and LeBron James.

    Assuming the 2010-11 salary cap is set at $56 million as was reported earlier this year, the Bulls would be sitting on $33.1 million in cap space after moving Hinrich (they have $22.9 million committed to Luol Deng, Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, Taj Gibson, and James Johnson). With a max salary at $16.8 million (roughly

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Man, if we get #35 and Jones falls, I'd be absolutely thrilled. Especially if we can turn Deng into Gortat and Pietrus.

  • In reply to msalivar:

    I was really hoping to get Jones.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    This is hands down an AWESOME move by the Bulls. Giving up a borderline starter with no upside (Hinrich) and a mid-first pick (less than 50% chance of a starter), for the ability to sign another max (basically) stud.

    Look: if you want to win multiple championships, you need to have a top 5 superstar. Period. And this is the Bulls chance to get the best of them all, LeBron James. And LeBron will feel A LOT more confident coming to the Bulls if another All-Star is coming with him.

    I don't think it really matters whether its Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amare, etc. Of course some are better than others (both as individuals and as fits to the Bulls), but these differences a miniscule compared to GETTING LEBRON. I personally think the Bulls + LeBron even without another max guy (i.e. keeping Hinrich + pick) might be enough to win it all. But perception, that is LEBRON's perception, IS reality.

    The Bulls need to make LeBron feel that coming to Chicago is not at all a risk, that he WILL WIN championships, and having the King come in with another proven All-Star (in addition to Rose + Noah), will make him feel secure in his decision.

    The Bulls will become the "safe option" while Cleveland, New York, Clippers, will look like risky situations. And LeBron is not about to gamble with his legacy.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Can't take back a player(salary).

    Your usually awesome predictive powers seem to be off, all of those guys went in the late first round.

  • In reply to MrHappy:



  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You miss out on your boy George that way.

  • Doug-

    Everyone is saying the Bulls now have room for 2 full boats...

    Is this true?

    Also, more importantly who are the assistant coaches going to be.


  • In reply to Dmband:

    Assistant Coaches matter. Ask Phil Jackson. He'll tell you that.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    They're going to keep Pete Meyers and Thib's going to bring over Musselman (?sp), I think his first name is Eric. That's all I've heard thus far about assistant coaches. I think they wanted to bring over Mo Cheeks but he has one year remaining on his contract as an assistant coach elsewhere.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    the answer is obvious, Mo Cheeks, MO Cheeks sr, and Mo Cheeks jr.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    they do not they're right under.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    The Bull's management has made a huge mistake--it's never good to get rid of leadership before you have everything in place to repace leadership. Hinrich was the Bull's leader on and off the floor. Now, who will lead the Bulls? Now who will lead potential players like Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, or Labron James. Can Rose overcome the strong personalities of these potential teammates, will they listen to him and to a new coach that's never had those leadership responsiblities? I could see trading Deng, but not my man Hinrich. NO way!

    Even if the Bulls are lucky enough to get those available free agents, who will become the captain of the team or the leader on the floor--for egocentric players? And will Labron bring a circus-like atmosphere with him--and for how long will he be Mr. goodguy and not need his assortment of hanger-ons. Can the Bull's managment afford this behavior? Maybe, the Bulls would be a better team without Labron and the antics of imaturity that he may bring with him.

    Look at what the Milwakee Bucks have put on their team! Nothing but big men and I mean muscle. Look at what LA and Boston, they both have skilled big men.

    If they get Bosh, will Bosh play defense? Or would the Bull's be better off by getting two big men instead of Bosh because Noah can play power forward. After acquiring Joe Johnson, maybe the Bulls should focus on getting two good centers (one being Brad Miller) and two rookie centers (one being Asik) they could train. Noah is super, but I'd like to see how effective he could be, while playing his natural position at power forward. And when Noah gains 20-40 lbs. --then I could see him at the center position. They now must also find an experienced backup at point guard who knows how to defend the top offensive players, lead, and can score while on the floor. This is what many teams are looking for--and the Bull's had it in Hinrich. The new coach cannot diagram everything that a player like Hinrich did on each gameday.m thankyou kind of girl. Maybe this is too much information for you, but it's good for you to be in my life.

  • Drafting a SG isn't going to kill their free-agency hopes.

    Think about it.

    Without Hinrich, who are the SG's on this team right now?

    There aren't any!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I am sure that they can find one with $13-$14 million in cap space after they sign max free agent #1. at worst Anthony Morrow comes to mind.

    In fact I am not sure that I don't want him more than Johnson at about half of what it will cost to get Johnson

  • One more tweak, say dumping Johnson, and it sure looks like they will be within perhaps a million dollars of being able to pay the max for two guys. And if they sign they are going to make so much money in endorsements playing for a loaded/championship caliber team with D-Rose, LeBron, and who Bosh(?) are you kidding me. They'll be making so much money in Chicago's market and nationally it will be ridiculous.

    I just hope to god they have not given their word to sign Joe Johnson. We need a big/inside player for this to work/championships which Lebron is not. Bosh, Amare, Boozer, Lee if we don't get a big who can score and balance the offense that will be a huge mistake. I repeat do not make the second free agent Joe Johnson. You bring in Bosh, Amare, or Boozer with Derrick, Joakim, Taj, a perimeter shooting M.L.E, and LeBron James will be joining the Chicago Bulls without doubt. Miami? You're kidding. Wade and LeBron both being the scoring leader? And if they spent on a third max what would that leave $10 Mil for eight players? Ha, ha, ha good luck witht that.

    The Bulls are very much within range of signing Lebron James. And TV ratings look out because Derrick Rose with these studs is going to be f-ing amazing. Especially if Thibs can get his and this superteam's D on track.

  • I beg to differ, I think.

    Obviously, it depends on the cap, but if you use the current estimate($56.1 million), the Bulls are very close right now. Johnson and Gibson would put them right at the threshold depending on how many roster spots we have to fill at the NBA minimum.

    Right now(if this trade happens), on July 1st, the Bulls will be at $22.9 in salary for 5 playes, giving them $33.2 million in cap space minus minimum cap holds(@$0.49 million per). With 8 spots to fill that is an additional $3.9 million for a shortage of only $700,000.

    Thus trading Johnson($1.7 million minus the minimum player $.49 million) adds an additional $1.2 million in cap space, putting us at $34.3 million.

    Double max will be about $33.7 million so moving Johnson puts the Bulls in for 2.

    Moving Gibson($1.1 million minus the minimum player $0.49 million) adds about $620,000 to the Bulls cap, putting them at $33.8+ million in cap space which appears to put us over the top also.

    Thus trading both seems to guarantee it, with at least a million to spare.

    I am not a capoligist, so maybe I got something wrong, but these are the numbers, best as I can figure them.

    Never-the-less, I prefer to trade Deng for cap space, so that we can sign 2 mzx guys and still have several million left to fill out the roster with guys like Asik(who we cannot bring over if we trade Johnson or Gibson)and maybe Anthony Morrow.

    Trade Deng Dammit.

  • Yes, I am sure that is what happenned. I hope that they are still trying to move Deng. There does at least appear to be some interst.

    I am in for that Orlando deal, which I hear they have been looking at other teams with a 3way. Something like Pietrus and Gortat to Toronto, Luis Scola to Orlando, and TurkeyGlue plus something(torontos' pick at 13) to Houston.

    don't know why Houston would give up Scola to get TurkeyGlue, but I guess that getting a real 4 is better for Orlando than getting another 3(Deng).

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