Bulls only giving LeBron a short window to sign

According to rumorpress.net, the Bulls won't wait forever on LeBron.

Lebron Talk:  No doubt, the Bulls number 1 free agent target will be
LeBron James.  On July 1st, the organization will make an all out push
to grab the reigning MVP of the league, but they will not wait forever. 
The organization fears LeBron will drag on the process of deciding
where to go.  Rumor has it LeBron will toy with several teams and will
wait long past July 1st before deciding ultimately where to go, while
other top free agents sign with teams. This could ultimately leave the
Bulls with nothing, and LeBron could very easily resign with Cleveland. 
I've been told the Bulls will give LeBron a short window to sign with
the Bulls, otherwise the team will quickly turn its attention to Chris
Bosh, Dwyane Wade or Joe Johnson to secure a top player.

I can't say i blame them at all there.   You can't miss out on everyone if LeBron is taking his sweet time.   The thing is, the Bulls situation isn't going to change much as FA goes on if they wait.

LeBron either likes us or he doesn't.   It's not like he needs to wait and see what other moves we make, because there are no other moves coming most likely.  If he doesn't agree pretty quickly, then I think the Bulls are right for moving on adn making sure they try to et something.

That opinion changes if "moving on" means moving to Joe Johnson.   Screw getting Joe Johnson, I think the Bulls are better off maintaining solid financials going forward and using their money to take on bad contracts packaged with draft picks than to try and bring in Johnson for a wide variety of reasons.

If LeBron doesn't say yes in the first few days, feel free to move on to Bosh and/or Amare, in fact move on to both on day one, and then try to work out sign and trades.   However, don't move on to Joe "death of Derrick Rose's career" Johnson.

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  • Prepare yourself for the Joe Johnson era and Gar's spin on how he fits the Bulls.

  • "I think the Bulls are better off maintaining solid financials"

    Sometimes, Doug, I think you're trying to get hired by them.

    I'm not apoplectic if the Bulls get Joe Johnson, at least he'd help them win some games. If the Bulls never go into the tax anyway (which they'd need to do if they signed Johnson while keeping others), then might as well root to be the Hawks.

    As far as the LeBron rumor, that does make sense. There's not much secrecy as to what these teams can offer, especially from the Bulls point of view (who knows what NY/NJ is promising), so if he doesn't look to be coming here then move on to Bosh.

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    Winning some games isn't the goal here. It's becoming elite. JJ would hinder that for the next 6 years. If we can't get Lebron, Wade, Bosh or Amare I saw hold off till next year and go after Carmelo.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    And then what? Not a good start to Derrick Rose's career to waste 3 straight years of it waiting for FAs.

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    Not only that, but you have no guarantee that Carmello is leaving. Given that it won't be a very big FA pool next year, you're even less likely to get a shot at him.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    also, Noah will be a restricted Free Agent (or perhaps signed already) which means the Bulls won't have the same cap room next year.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    SW i like your comment too....it could be a domino effect. Why would anybody sign in New York if they didnt have LeBron with them. Unless your Boozer and you want all the money you can get lol I actually think it probably will go like that as well.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    thats why he claimed to retire #23 cuz he is going to wear #6 in chicago. Since #23 is retired at chicago! big hint there.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    FYI:

    850 WKNR in Cleveland reported that LBJ was in the Chicago area yesterday house shopping.

    Also, there was a tweet done by an employee over at WGN radio regarding the same thing.

    http://twitter.com/JustinWeiner/status/14203136751

    * The 850 WKNR source was said to be VERY, VERY, VERY reliable.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    There is nothing wrong at all with doing this. I agree doug, either he likes us or he doesnt. In the NBA specifically, there is very little to discuss, contractually speaking. Everyone knows the numbers and even more so, Lebron will dictate the length.

    There is very little to even consider here on both sides. The ball is obviously in lebrons court (bad pun intended) and the only justitification for doing this is to keep his name on the front page all summer long, and keep fans drooling over him... I'd like to think he's not THAT big of an ego maniac, but who knows.

  • In reply to Dileg:

    I will also take it a step further. Feel free to send this to LBJ's camp.

    If Lebron only really cares about WINNING, he be best served signing as early as possible to enable his team to make another signing.

    Delaying this all summer means that WINNING is not his main priority.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Best post.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    THANK YOU Happy for responding to my comment lol HAHA Nice 1 LeBron was out looking at houses in Highland Park....Like i said, could be the reason why he called Eddy Curry. July 1st is when Free Agency starts, but July 8th is the day they can sign....So ya LeBron will have plenty of time to decide his future. Please no Joe Johnson...

    But ya good post DMBand...if he signs fast, and i think he will...the Bulls can focus on other things. Like sign and trade deals!

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I don't think LBJ or DWADE will sign fast. They want to be courted.

    The Bulls' management should strengthen the roster by doing a S&T for Chris Bosh, then go after DWADE or LBJ second.

    Hinrich, Gibson, Johnson need to be included in the S&T for Chris Bosh in order to get LBJ or DWADE.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Just don't assume it is only the contract. I am sure he wants to know their future plans in building, what head coach, assistant coaches, playing philosophy, backup plans etc..
    He has seen the failures in Cleveland. Face it, they tried their best to surround him with good players...it just didn't work. Even if we want him to sign ASAP as Bulls fans, he might have to really weigh in on all that. Plus, we haven't thought about the money part...endorsements, deals etc..

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    That's why my strategy works better.

    #1.) Sign and Trade for Chris Bosh at the start of free-agency.

    (Involving Hinrich, Gibson and Johnson clears up about $12 million dollars)

    #2.) Getting Chris Bosh should make the Bulls even more attractive to LBJ or WADE.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    That only works if Toronto gives up Bosh for Hinrich, Gibson and Johnson, which they almost certainly won't.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    i think if you did noah/deng/pick for bosh that deal falls through and then i wouldnt think that pulls lebron in...i would only put noah in that deal if it meant lebron coming to Chicago

  • In reply to Vedo:

    would*

  • In reply to WearShades:

    Throw in Omer Asik and TWO future picks.

    How about now?

    Houston and New York can't offer a package that good.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    How will this work? Shouldn't Hinrich/Gibson/Johnson totally make 16.5 or 17 mil for a max salary trade...which means the Bulls have to trade Deng which probably Toronto will say no..

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Well Toronto wouldn't accept any trade not involving Noah so you would have to plug Noah in there somewhere to make a deal fall through and then you would have to look to make some other deals to get rid of Kirk/Luol..yeah, I know easier said than done. It's gonna be a crazy summer

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    Hinrich + Gibson + Johnson = $12 million in salary.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    DERRICK BYARS:

    His season just ended today with AlbaBerlin.

    I think he deserves another look by the Chicago Bulls. Perhaps during summer league.

    STATS:

    He put up decent stats given the limited reduced minutes and FG attempts.

    http://www.beko-bbl.de/scouting.php?menuid=328&topmenu=3&keepmenu=inactive&wettbewerb=2&spiel_id=8486

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    DERRICK BYARS looks like he worked on his skills as a SG.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV-m17iZ54w

    I like the athleticism (notice the dunks), the maturity, the fundamentals (notice the passes) and his jumper. I would love to see the Bulls' management give this kid another chance to make the team.

    He was so close last time, if not for a cap flexibility issue.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lord, don't let it be Joe Johnson. My preference goes in this order..

    1) Lebron
    2) Wade
    3) Bosh
    4) Amare

    Anyone after that would be somewhat disappointing.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Your Starting line up:
    Lebron James
    Rose
    Noah
    Hinrich
    Dirk Nowitzki

  • And you'd know this better than me: what's our updated scorecard on whether this rumorpress guy knows anything?

  • Bulls are totally correct giving LeBron a short window. Unlike the Knicks and Cavs, we dont NEED LeBron in order to have a GREAT summer. Give him 3 days to make up his mind or we move on.

    Also, Joe Johnson would be just fine with me, however only if ATL was taking Hinrich in a sign and trade. This would then allow us to sign a player like David lee.

  • I agree about not waiting. You've got to make your own move.

    I also agree with the bottom line about Johnson as a max signee, but the "death of the franchise" stuff is a but much.

  • Im glad they are doing this and they should. LeBron has over a month and a half to decide where he wants to go...he will hear about every team from about everybody. My gut feeling is that he will know what he is going to do by July 1st. He has been to all of these cities before, hes been in the league for 7 years, he knows what they have to offer. I say he goes to visit Chicago and New York...maybe Miami. The whole reason LeBron signed a 3 year deal was to get to this point. If he isnt winning in Cleveland...he is leaving imo. Why else would he only sign a 3 year deal?

    I thought Wade would be the one doing this to the Bulls...act like he is coming here until the last second...Wade will end up saying no and goes back to Miami.

    I dont think LeBron will F*** around this summer. He knows what he needs to do.

    New Jersey- Play there for 2 years before you go to Brooklyn. Jay Z is part owner and close friend. They have Lopez,Harris and probably either D Cousins or Favors. Outlook- Still a ways to go from being ready to win Championships.

    Maimi- Its D Wades team and his city. IMO LeBron wants to be the MAIN man if he goes anywhere. He wants help....BUT not to much help.

    New York- Team is terrible, coach doesnt coach defense...BUT they have money and Fame in New York. He would OWN New York. The team being that bad will keep LeBron away though.

    Chicago- Good Team, good supporting cast, Superstar in Derrick Rose, possible All Star in Noah, Chicago is a huge market and a great city. LeBron spent 3 summers in HS here AND goes on vacation to Chicago. If he comes here, the Bulls will dominate their division for possibly the next 10 years. He would have help BUT not to much. He will own the city and will build his own legacy here. I say he picks Chicago, not because im bias, but because it just seems like the best thats out there.

  • Doug, check in about LeBron visiting Highland Park....i heard he was looking at possible houses. Maybe thats why he called Curry. To see where would be a good place to live. HMMMMMMMM......

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I got you on that. I emailed Doug about that, but he didn't get back to me.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i heard lebron called curry to work out with him which doesnt really make sense to me. why would lebron wanna work out with curry? i really hope theres something to this whole house search in Chicago.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Lots of NBA guys work out with Tim Grover and in Chicago during the summers. Plus, LeBron is familiar with workouts in Chicago. So, maybe instead of staying in hotels, renting he wants a house during summer workouts even if he doesn't sign with the Bulls.

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    that makes a lot more sense

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Given the horrible things that happened to Eddy Curry and his family in Chicago in 2007 and last year, it could be a very bad thing that LeBron is talking to him while thinking about moving to Chicago.

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Different Topic... Watching Phil Jackson interview during the game tells you why he wins so much. He is cool, calm and not screaming while talking about how well the Suns are playing. Contrast that to Stan Van Gundy or others....it has an effect on the team..

  • In reply to Csharp:

    PACMAN-

    I wish that was true, but the truth is even if he stays in Cleveland it make sense to change his number to re-sell jersey's to everyone who already owns a Cavs 23.

    Its a marketing/money making ploy...nothing more, nothing less...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Dmband,

    That's why Kobe changed his number from 8 to 24.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Ya its all about jersey sells and a extra way to make money....LeBron's #6 is going to be HUGE!!!! Especially if its with the Bulls....because i bet Cleveland fans will buy them too as well as us Chicago fans!

  • In reply to Dmband:

    This is up to the Bulls to screw up. It is evident that Lebron wants to sign with the Bulls and he should sign right away so the Bulls can continue filling in the final pieces to this team. If they can get LBJ to sign quickly, then I say move on to Bosh and see what his plans are and see about signing a shooting guard even though Lebron may be able to play in the backcourt with D-ROSE. Hopefully Deng and Taj can remain with the team without being traded. Hows this line up sound, Rose and James in the back court Deng,Bosh,and Noah up front with Taj off the bench. Hinrich, Draft picks and Johnson used as sign and trade with either Toronto or Cleveland, James or Bosh Signs straight up with Bulls. I know it probably happen that way but just have to wait and see.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    WHERE THERE IS SMOKE THERE IS FIRE, right.

    If the news media in Cleveland and Chicago BOTH say LBJ was house hunting in Chicagoland, then I'm guessing he was. It seems clear that something is brewing between the Bulls and LBJ.

    I wonder if Derrick Rose went with him? Haha.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Mr. Happy-

    Lets say this is true. Its not out of the realm of possibility that he just really likes Chicago and wants a place here.

    These guys have more than one house, ya know...

    But here's to hoping you're right that means he's coming here.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Dmband,

    There is a lot of LBJ to Chicago momentum out there.

    People should probably take a breath.

    By the way, how many LBJ topics is that for Doug now?

    (Too many...haha)

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Im glad he is looking at houses, but i think the possibility of him just looking (at this time, whens he a free agent about to be heading elsewhere)...i think he is looking for something to buy personally...hopefully he finds something. He and Rose probably talked about where to look and he probably asked Curry as well.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I agree i.e. if you speculate he was probably upset at his bad finish and vowed to start working out every summer to better his game. He will probably wants to work in Chicago. That's why maybe he is talking to the two locals..

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Be wary signing Amare Stoudamire to a max deal. He's an underwhelming rebounder for his size and athleticism. He's not a force on defense. His scoring stats are inflated by the Suns' uptempo offense and the gifted passing of Steve Nash. In fact, the Lakers are exposing him in the playoffs. When forced into one-on-one situations, Stoudamire's better than average but far from great. He'll face up and go by slow big men. He'll overpower smaller, weaker big men and hit a mid-range jumper every now and then. But when guarded by a mobile big, a lot of his offense depends on Nash getting him the ball within their wide open offense.

    Don't get me wrong, he'd be a definite upgrade of the Bulls' front line, but a cap-strangling, max deal might hinder the Bulls more than help them in the long-term. If Rose was a passing point like Nash, and if the Bulls went to a more wide open offense, then maybe he'd be worth it. But ideally, if they could manage to sign him to a deal far enough under the max to also bring in Joe Johnson for less than the max in a sign-and-trade without having to give up Deng, the Bulls would be in great shape. Of course, all of that is wishful thinking, but so is both Bosh and LeBron coming to Chicago.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    IMO, i really dont think changing his number had really anything to do with Chicago...but after he lost to the Celtics, its starting to become a real coincidence lol Just another reason why it just seems like he belongs here. He has the chance to live his childhood dream...deep down i bet he wants to do it.

    Im sure that he will look at his options at least...i mean he is human. But on the other hand, coming to Chicago to look at houses if DEFFINETLY a great sign. Hopefully he found of a couple houses he likes. Another thing that LeBron probably likes is that Chicago really isnt that far from Ohio....and he has even said he spends family vacations in Chicago because he likes it here so much.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    When you sum it all up Chicago is the obvious choice. As you said, Chicago is the closest to Ohio when you look at all the possible destinations he can go to. But the main thing here is winning a championship and our Bulls have a strong young core that gives him the best chance at a shot at that ring he so dearly wants. I just hope he's looking at it the same way I am. LOL

  • In reply to Csharp:

    i dont blame the bulls for going this way..we dont want another ron mercer moment in chicago..we have a good core here and we shouldnt risk losing out on the other talent thats available. if not lebron i really hope we get bosh and a shooter and take it from there...cant wait to see whats gonna happen

  • In reply to Vedo:

    Vedo,

    BOSH is the key and should be the #1 target. I agree completely.

    They can land a SHOOTER in the draft.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    yeah, plus if we get bosh right away it attracts other players like a wade or lebron.. honestly i wouldnt mind landing joe johnson if we get bosh and clear up the cap. a line up of bosh and rose would make joe johnson a whole lot better

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    When are we going to have Chris Bosh in a topic on here?

    Here's an idea.

    "Which # should Chris Bosh take with the Bulls?"

    He can't have #4. Hall of Famer and Bulls' great, Jerry Sloan, retired it. So here are my suggestions.

    #5 - PF's like Kevin Garnett, Carlos Boozer and Josh Smith currently wear that #.

    #12 - BIGS like Dwight Howard, LaMarcus Aldridge and Tyrus Thomas currently wear that #.

    * I know Kirk Hinrich has #12 with the Bulls, but I'm guessing he's gone in a S&T, if the Bulls get Chris Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Doug,
    After watching Joe Johnson in the playoffs this season, I've come around to your position of severe coldness on signing him as a free agent this summer. Either his heart wasn't in it for the Hawks (which bodes poorly for whoever signs him) or his ability has seriously eroded. Yeah, he was never on a Kobe/Wade level, but he looked like a shell of his former self, giving his team a whole lot of nothing for the playoffs. That's when you want to see stars step it up, like Rose and Noah did this year. Good Lord, these LBJ rumors are gaining some momentum. I think it only makes good business sense for the Bulls to give him a limited time frame to take their deal.

  • While I have defended Joe Johnson on this forum a couple of times, I do agree with the point you're making here Doug. I would not completely rule out Joe, but certainly at nowhere near max money. And, I realize that with all these teams running around with cap space, SOME organization is gonna be willing to throw max money at Joe, so for all practical purposes that IS ruling him out.

  • The 850 WKNR was said to be a solid source.

  • SW,

    That's why I would go for a S&T for Bosh right out of the gates.

    Make that happen and see if DWADE or LBJ want to make their way to Chicago too.

    As I said, Hinrich ($9m), Johnson ($2m) and Gibson ($1m) would have to be involved to free up enough money to have a shot at bringing in TWO top free-agents.

  • Say Toronto is ready to accept Hinrich, James Johnson and Gibson for Bosh on a max contract. Does that work in terms of salary? That's what my question is...

  • In reply to schaumburgfan:

    salary wise it works, but theres no way Toronto accepts that trade

  • Given Wade's off the court problems, going to Chicago will just make his situation worse.

  • In reply to boogernights:

    He has COURT/LEGAL issues going on in Miami and Chicago.

    Who gets custody of his kids could play a role in his decision.

  • I wouldn't say that.

    ESPN has things reversed. Their experts say get LBJ via free-agency and then do a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh.

    My thinking is has it reversed. Do a sign-and-trade for Bosh first, then go out and sign a free-agency such as DWADE or LBJ.

  • EXPAND THE HORIZON.

    I saw the same thing last year on a different blog when everyone was HOT for Amar'e.

    How did that turn out? Not so well for all the Amar'e wanters.

    How about examining some other off-season plans, besides LBJ?

    Just a thought.

  • You never know.

  • I don't think WADE will sign fast.

    According to his own words, he wants some help. That is up to Pat Riley. It might not be coming, if the Bulls can get Chris Bosh in a S&T right out of the gates.

    LBJ will be courted and Amar'e could very well stay in Phoenix.

    That leaves Boozer and Johnson. Is that who Wade wants?

    I doubt it.

  • The way the source from 850 WKNR in Cleveland came across it sure sounded like he was investigating Chicago for a permanent residence.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If hes in Highland Park, i doubt that he is looking for something to rent. But this is good to hear...hopefully he saw some things he liked.

  • I don't like that plan.

    Strengthen the SALES PITCH to a FA, like WADE or LBJ, by doing a S&T for Chris Bosh FIRST, then go after a top guy via free-agency.

    Hinrich, Gibson and Johnson definitely need to be in the trade package. Unless, by some miracle Toronto wants Deng's HIGH salary.

  • MARKETING!!!

    Don't overlook the fact that DWADE and LBJ make LOADS and LOADS of money off the court through endorsements. Those two guys can easily make up the loss of contract money, especially in Chicago.

    Both of them would be looking at 60+ games on national TV, if they played in Chicago. That's a lot of airtime for them and their commericials.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The only teams that are legally allowed to be on national TV 60+ games per season are the Red Sox and the Yankees, who either own ESPN, or are owned by it.

  • LET'S TALK ABOUT BOSH:

    To Chicago: Chris Bosh
    To Toronto: Kirk Hinrich ($9m), Taj Gibson ($1m), James Johnson ($2m), the rights to Omer Asik, a #1 Pick in 2011, and a Charlotte's #1 Pick in 2012 (from the Ty Thomas trade).

    How does Byran Colangelo or Chris Bosh turn that down? I highly doubt Houston or New York could come up with a better package than that. Plus, the Bulls would still have money to bring in DWADE or LBJ.

    It's a NO-BRAINER for Bulls' management. FIRST, do a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh, which makes the team even more attractive and in contention for an NBA title. SECOND, sign DWADE or LBJ.

    Trying to do it the otherway around could cost leave them with NOBODY.

    * The Bulls, Rockets and Knicks are the only teams in the mix for Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Well i doubt we get rid of that many guys

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I agree...We are almost like New York with four good players and nothing else...That will seriously impact the team in competing if you have more than half the team of minimum guys

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    MrHappy is Dead On Correct!

    The sign-and-trade (S&T) for Chris Bosh is the most important move for the Bulls! Bulls can trade Hinrich or Deng plus the additional pieces. Bulls can involve a 3rd team to get Toronto the player if they don't want Hinrich or Deng. Al Jefferson from Minnesota in a 3-way is a possibility.

    IMPROVE THE FRONTLINE AND A GREAT WING WILL COME!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    CHRIS BOSH SHOULD BE BULLS PRIORITY!!!

    A sign-and-trade (S&T) for Chris Bosh is the most important move for the Bulls! Bulls can trade either Hinrich or Deng plus additional pieces(Taj, JJ, Omer Asik, picks). Bulls can involve a 3rd team to get Toronto another player if they don't want Hinrich or Deng. Al Jefferson from Minnesota in a 3-way is one possibility.

    IMPROVE THE FRONTLINE AND A GREAT WING WILL COME!!! We missed on Gasol, can't miss on Bosh!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    MrHappy is Edward too lol

    TOronto would not give us Chris Bosh if we landed LeBron. Unless its a deal of Deng and Noah.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I would do that trade. The big 3! rose, BRon and Bosh.

  • Bynum is too often injured and Kobe loves Gasol as his ROBIN.

    Miami doesn't have the tradeable parts to pull off a S&T for Chris Bosh.

    Oklahoma City won't make a splash like that. Plus, Bosh wants to earn $ off the court.

  • I was a bit hard on Rose's rookie year, that wasn't a complete waste. Though one could say any year under VDN was a waste.

  • and Ray Allen isn't worth his contract either, but the Celtics are pretty good.

  • In reply to bullsblogger:

    didn't mean to end it there. Point is, bad contracts happen. The Bulls won't have this cap space next season, so they have to use it. I'm with you in that they could find better value in a trade, but I'm less concerned about value as I am about talent. Not many players better than Joe Johnson will be given away in a deal for cap space.

  • If he is looking in Highland Park...im thinking perminant residence. Especially at a time like now...why would he just be looking for something to rent. He is a Free Agent about to possibly sign elsewhere...he is looking to buy imo. To buy and stay! Hopefully im right lol

  • Ugh i dont even like talking about Joe JOhnson lol He will be a nobody in about 2-3 years.

  • Why hasnt anybody listen to this!? All i see is that theres no evidence lol

  • I am starting to believe that he will not get the max, he may have already turned down his best deal with Atlanta, although, I suppose he will still get a five year deal, which Atlanta was unwilling to do.

  • You are a sage, and apparently one of the few people on this site who understands how the S&T market is totally different from the normal trade market.

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