Noam Schiller at both teams played hard thinks so:
Now, before I am stoned to death by angry Bulls fans, allow me to
clarify what I mean by overrated. The word overrated is defined by the
free online dictionary as "to overestimate the merits of; rate too
highly." And yet, it is usually taken to mean "absolutely
terrible." For example: I think Kobe Bryant, until this season, has been
overrated as a clutch performer. What I mean by this is that Kobe,
while a great clutch performer, had an overblown reputation as an
absolute clutch assassin, before catching up to that reputation this
season (and man, it's been mind-blowing to watch). What most people
probably see in that sentence is "I hate Kobe Bryant and want him him to
spend the rest of his life in Siberia without a coat."
Such is the case with Derrick Rose. He is currently a very good
basketball player and will hopefully evolve into an extremely good
basketball player in the near future. However, the general conception
that he has already made the leap to superstardom (as evidenced by his
All-Star appearance and by numerous "is Derrick Rose a top 5 point
guard/top 20 player" discussions throughout the web) is premature.
First, I don't think the author should be stoned. I'm sure he's quite relieved. I believe in any over/under rated discussion, you first have to set the bar at where a guy is rated at.
Noam doesn't really argue how many players he'd take today over Derrick Rose, but noted that his elite status is brought up by the is he a top 5 PG or a top 20 player right now discussions. How many PGs would you take today over Derrick Rose?
I don't know, I don't see how Rose isn't a top 5 PG.
How many players would you definitely take ahead of Derrick Rose. Get back to me with a list of 20 guys who you're definitely taking ahead of him.
I agree with the overall point that those who feel Rose has arrived and is already a legitimate superstar are mistaken. Rose isn't a top 5 player in the NBA right now, but to lower the overrated category down to those who think he's a top 5 PG or top 20 player seems to be going a bit far to me.
While I think you might be able to make a case for 20 different guys ahead of Rose, you could certainly start making the case for Rose after 12-15 guys as well.
I can't argue with the stats, nor am I going to try. Rose's defense has evolved to be better than he's being credited for in this article, though it's still not great. His efficiency on the season isn't staggering, but you have to remember he was a sub .500 TS% shooter for the first couple months, so his level of play now is considerably above his season average.
What is missing from this discussion is the 'it factor'. We love watching Rose for it, and I'm sure Noam feels the same way given he's a Rose fan. There's an "it factor" that transcends stats. It's about when he accumulates them, how he carries the team, when he scores his points in bunches etc.. I simply think that puts him in the top 20. I don't think there are 20 other guys in the NBA whom I'd rather see have the ball when there is 5 minutes to go and my team is down by 6 points.