Trade deadline rumor thread [all updates will be posted here]

Per Adrian Wojnarowski, Bobcats deal done:

The Charlotte Bobcats have reached an agreement in principle to acquire Chicago Bulls forward Tyrus Thomas for Acie Law, Flip Murray and a future first-round pick, sources said.

Thomas is the athletic power forward the Bobcats have coveted this
season, and gives them a dimension that can surely make them dangerous
come the Eastern Conference playoffs.

As stated when it was a rumor, this is a pick that we'll get between 2012-2014 or not at all if the Bobcats suck bad enough.  I still like the deal for the Bulls.   Murray and Law give the Bulls a little extra guard depth to make up for Salmons, Warrick slides into place for Tyrus.   The Bulls are a bit worse after this trade deadline [as expected], but they do get guaranteed cap space and a future return on Tyrus.
Per Ken Berger:

The Bobcats, determined to add an athletic big man to their front court, are close to landing Tyrus Thomas in a deal with the Bulls
that would send expiring contracts and a future No. 1 pick to Chicago,
a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.

While
the source cautioned that the details were still being resolved and
that the deal was pending final approval, it appears that Thomas will
secure his exit from Chicago. The Bobcats would then have the rest of
the season to evaluate the soon-to-be restricted free agent and decide
whether to commit to him long-term. Trading Thomas spares the Bulls the
embarrassment of losing one of their best players through free agency
with no compensation for the second year in a row.

KC Johnson, Adrian Wojnarowski, and Mark Stein all have updates about it:

The Bulls sat on the Knicks' offer of Al Harrington for
Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James because it didn't involve future draft
picks.
It's possible they've found their trading partner for the embattled
fourth-year forward.
League sources said the Bulls and Bobcats have held discussions
centered on Thomas for expiring contracts and future first-round picks.

Charlotte
still can't trade their #1 in 2010.   Maybe it's a possible swap option
with the Bulls, or maybe the pick is a conditional 2012 pick based on
whether or not the Bobcats are able to trade their present pick to
Minnesota or not this year.  

However, the Minnesota pick is
conditional for four years, so the Bobcats can't trade their pick due
to the 2 consecutive rule in any given year without creating some kind
of condition to keep the picks separated by a year [which means the
Bulls could get one 2 years after the Wolves, only up to 5 years].

In
other words, this pick has the potential to suck and the Bulls may not
get one at all if the Bobcats can't send a 1st to Minnesota in the next
three years, since if the Minnesota protection lasted the full four
years, they'd no longer be able to give us one two years apart [can't
trade a pick six years into the future].

Per ESPN:

The Chicago Bulls and Milwaukee Bucks were nearing completion of the
John Salmons trade Thursday morning. However, although the early word
last night was that the Bucks would send Kurt Thomas and Francisco
Elson to the Bulls, sources close to the process told ESPN.com this
morning that there is a "90 percent chance" Milwaukee sends Chicago Joe
Alexander and Hakim Warrick instead.

Why the change? Last night the Bucks were also exploring an
alternative deal that would send Warrick to another team. However,
those talks began to fizzle as the night wore on. If they heat back up
today, then the Bucks can still insert Thomas and Elson (if necessary)
back into the Salmons deal.

KC Johnson has a different take:

Although it's likely Hakim Warrick and Joe Alexander are headed
from the Bucks to the Bulls on Thursday instead of big men Kurt Thomas
and Francisco Elson, there's a reason no trade has been officially
announced.

League sources said the Bulls were active in the
discussions between the Kings and Rockets that resulted in the trade
sending Kevin Martin to Houston and Tracy McGrady to the Kings.

The
goal would've been unloading Kirk Hinrich's contract, which stretches
for two more years and $17 million. That would give the Bulls
potentially $30 million in salary-cap space this summer and an outside
chance to sign two maximum free agents.

In those talks,
Hinrich would've gone to Sacramento and Brad Miller and Tyrus Thomas
would've gone to Houston. If that had happened, the Bulls likely would
have opted for Thomas and Elson from the Bucks for help up front.

ESPN's take makes more sense to me since Warrick is the best player in either deal, but if they think Kurt Thomas can fill the gap at center better that makes some sense too.  

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  • Latest rumor has Tyrus going to Charlotte for future #1 and expirings: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/20119740. This makes more sense to me than the harrington deal because at least it gets us an asset.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    how if we need to get better .. theres nothing thats goina come frm murray & law n the bobcats might make the playoffs now n we also helped the bucks ... we needed talent back n gotten none today..were not better than yesterday.. al harrington n roger mason wuddve been the better trades for salmons n tyrus..

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    Why is Pargo still in the lineup?

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    I cant wait to see Tyrus come at us verbally in the next few days.

  • It's posted on RealGm as well.

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_close_to_deal_for_tyrus_thomas/#ixzz0fuHuZpbo

  • CHARLOTTE has 3 expiring contracts listed.

    - Acie Law ($2.2 million)
    - Flip Murray ($1.9 million)
    - Raymond Felton ($5.5 million)

    It could be Law or Murray and CASH, perhaps. If the Bulls trade for Raymond Felton, than you have to know Hinrich is getting traded.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I have a hard time believing that Charlotte, who is currently in position to make the playoffs for the first time in their franchise's history, are going to trade their starting point guard.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    What about Gerald Henderson? Didn't the Bulls like him prior to the Draft?

    http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/henderson_090608.html

    Any chance he's involved in this trade...mmm?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Not an expiring, so no.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    UPDATE:

    Tyrus Thomas to Charlotte for Acie Law, Flip Murray and a #1 Pick

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64834/20100218/bobcats_make_trade_for_tyrus_thomas/#ixzz0fuQd03go

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    It's an easy workaround, e.g.:
    Bulls get Charlotte's unprotected pick two years after Minnesota takes it, with an option to trade picks instead in any year prior (lottery protected first two years)

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    That way the worst case scenario is that the Bulls only have a swap option in the fourth or fifth year instead of a free pick. The Bobcats are a perrenial bad team overachieving this year (which also means Minnesota should be using their pick this year and the conflict is a non-factor). MJ's trying to buy the franchise and his "genius" in the front office hasn't exactly been reminiscent of his oncourt talent. I'll gladly take a Charlotte pick a few years out, especially if it's unprotected. The only thing better than a lucky #1 draft pick is....another one.

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Worst part of the Pax era folks is gone.

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Cptn Kirk forever folks.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    lmao it was now or never .. hes qoina stay til the end .... p.s why does he play so hard & aggressive before the deadline but plays flat most games n jus try to play alil d ? this is yr 2 he does that

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    B.J. Armstrong (former Bulls player) is Henderson's agent. He also represents Rose.

    Makes me wonder.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    It shouldn't.

  • In reply to WearShades:

    The Bulls could be trading for Kobe Bryant and Mr Happpy would be complaining that Gasol wasn't part of the deal.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Doug-

    I've had a hard time following ALL the rumors, but does it also appear, at least now, that they may end up with some draft picks as well? To your point, we'll end up with the cap room, some decent core players and some picks for the future...sounds great to me.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If Hinrich is being traded, they better hurry

    Trade deadline less than 3 hours away

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Extremely happy about the Salmons trade. As long as we finish the season with Rose and Noah and the ability to pay 2 max FA...I dont see how the future doesnt look extremely brighter for our chicago bulls. I've read a few posts related to them "giving up" on this season. First off, I dont see it that way at all..lets be honest, DRose is the reason we are winning, quite frankly anyone and everyone else is expendable for the right price. Also, make no mistake about it, this team IS NOT a Championship contender...in the NBA, either you are or you arent...I dont want to make the playoffs as a 6/7/8 every year...dont waste me time. The opportunity exsists to change this franchise and they have to at least TRY. If things dont work out this summer, at least they gave it a shot...this is the Chicago Bulls...Championships or bust...dont be satisfied just making the playoffs.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    no because were really missin a six man... we need a bench and felton wudd be nice but i doubt it..unless other pieces was put in ..bulls jus want a expirin for some mins this season & a future pick

  • I forget about Stephen Graham, who makes $825,497.

  • Bulls to Phoenix and Toronto: Deng, Noah, and Hinrich. Pick two out of the three for either Amar'e or Bosh. Comes with a free draft pick and a signed LuvaBulls poster. You have one hour to think about it. Ready...GO!

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Chicago comes out well in any of those (excellent core to which DWade or JoeJ can be added), while it's more than Phoenix or Toronto will get in the summer. Although if the Bulls were to move Deng, Harrington would have been more appealing than...Flip Murray.

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Its the greatest day ever. Tyrus and Tyson on the same team wow, talk about underachievers.

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Larry Brown will turn on Tyrus real fast trust me, sure Larry always said he would have drafted Tyrus if he had the pick in NY but he doesnt know how lazy he is.

  • In reply to Davidmon5:

    Sorry Mr. Happy JJ is not going anywhere. I hope you can deal with that.

  • In reply to CN71:

    I don't know about that. The Bulls do have 4 Small Forwards now, if you include Warrick in that discussion.

    Another trade might be coming.

  • So who is next?

    Will it be Jannero Pargo, James Johnson, Kirk Hinrich or Brad Miller?

    Any bets?

  • At least they got some guys who can play in return for Salmons.

    I was really worried that the Bulls wanted to cash in on this season.

    PLAYOFFS!!!

  • BYE...haha.

  • Pargo needs to be traded, right?

  • Doug, where does this leave the Bulls cap-wise? By my math, after all these moves, the Bulls are on the hook for 32 million next year, with a projected cap of 52-54 million.

    That would leave 20-22M in cap room. What will a max guy be owed in year one? 16.5M is the number I've heard. So if we do get one, it looks like we'll have 4-6M for the rest of the roster. Do we have a MLE?

    Can you let the fans know where the Bulls stand at this point?

  • wow i actually like this trade. I think Bulls will get even better with these pieces they have without Tyrus and Salmons.
    Look Guys...

    Hakim Warrick he can get into the post up moves when Tyrus Thomas likes to go only for jump shots and they are pretty much same height. I bet Warrick will prove to Bulls what he can do in the court.

    Altough Flip Murray is smaller than Salmons, omg bulls finally have 3pts shooter!!

    so to me, this is a better move than they were before. Now i cant wait Hinrich to go somewhere please!

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    what do you think Doug?

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    UPDATE:

    Jannero Pargo could be traded shortly.

    Ric Bucher thinks the Bulls are getting ready to move Pargo with the additions of Acie Law and Flip Murray.

    Makes sense.

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    Steve Kyler of Hoopsword wrote that Flip Murray could be bought out by the Bulls.

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    THIS JUST IN:

    The Knicks are getting Tracy McGrady.

    ESPN's Marc Stein reporting that Knicks-Kings-Rockets have a deal that would land Tracy McGrady in New York

  • Thanks, as long as bulls play the way they are playing now, im okay with this season. Just cant wait to see next year!

  • TMAC to New York...

    They will be able to offer 2 Max contracts....uh oh

  • I'm going to buck convention, and say I would have rather had Harrington then a conditional pick years from now(along with take out the garbage "players" Murray 39% and Acie Law stiff who will be out of the league after this year). If people think Harrington's value wouldn't have been that great as a third scorer with D-Rose and Deng and also as a double team buster for Derrick to let him star in this year's playoffs, and greater attract F.A.'s then so be it. I though getting a first rounder for Tyrus meant This year not something years away. Jesus.

    So they dumped Salmons, got a little something in Warrick who we may still not even get, and didn't get a 2010 first round draft pick for Tyrus as I was under the impression that's what people were talking about. If people thought it was not this years I wish to hell they would have mentioned it. If people are satisfied with this deadline deal. Whatever. God I thought we were getting Harrington to go with Rose and Deng's scoring. At least this year's first rounder for Tyrus to use ourselves or as a bargaining chip. Is nobody disappointed/surprised that the First rounder for Tyrus was not a 2010 pick?

  • In reply to SamS:

    No to mention trading away the next two year's second rounders. It just gets better and better. Not.

  • With New York clearing enough cap space to land two MAX players by getting rid of Jared Jeffries contract, I wonder if the Bulls will follow suit and try to unload Luol Deng.

    To Bulls: Darko Milicic, Damien Wilkins and a draft pick
    To T-Wolves: Luol Deng and CASH

    Both teams are in Minnesota right now.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    That might be the worst trade ever.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    THIS JUST IN:

    The Bulls and Bucks also traded draft picks.

    The Chicago Bulls traded John Salmons to the Milwaukee Bucks for Joe Alexander and Hakim Warrick.

    In addition, Chicago traded the Bulls

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    In reply to MrHappy:

    If we got shafted this hard on the picks the Bulls must be planning to keep Warrick around long term somehow.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Insane as always, Luol Dung will be used as trade bait in a sign and trade for the second max player this summer, perhaps Bosh, after we sign Lebron or Wade.

  • thats fine, even if they have 2 max contracts next year, i bet none of Big players wont go to NY unless they are willing to get more money instead of winning a championship. I bet they will choose Chicago Bulls along with Rose!!! You guys just wait and see, its going happen !

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    well i think amare & david lee are their prizes anyway but if they can make one more move somehow & bring rubio .. then a twam of rubio chandler galo amare & lee would be nice and tough in the east .. & i know mcgrady wont be the same but who knows.. cuz we all dont really.. he wont be a.i like thouqh ...

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    What's the word on Jannero Pargo? He can't be staying, right?

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    In order to get 2 top free agents, how much money do the bulls needs at least? and do they have enough money to offer at this momeny?

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    I am talking about with Hinrich playing next year for bulls. Could you answer this question Doug?

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    In reply to kjs3143:

    Not so sure that all these expirings are just for max FA room. This is because I don't think the Deng + Noah (or please god gibson) for Bosh is completely dead. It's an offseason possibility right? If so, Warrick might be auditioning.

  • In reply to kjs3143:

    Can we get a final hour Pargo and Johnson trade please?

    To Bulls: Rasual Butler
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk3ymtp

    Let's free up some more GARBAGE and wasted money off the Bulls bench!!!

  • I diagree.

    I call these trades a DRAW for this season and a win for next season.

  • David Lee will got for $10 or $11 million.

    DROSE, DWADE and DLEE...that's a good direction.

    Expirings for Luol Deng needs to happen quickly!!!

  • so with 10mins left until it becmes 2pm. anything new doug?

  • I am not sure that Tyrus is better than Warrick, at least for this Bulls team.

    tyrus is an absolute zero, actually a negative on offense. From what I have seen of Warrick, he hustles all the time and can put the ball in the hole within the concept of the teams offense.

    Thomas was all show, no substance, Warrick while certainly not a "potential" star should fit in nicely with Taj as a rotation player at PF.

  • I want no part of Harrington, he is a career NBA bum.

    Why trade one bad attitude for another, Harrington(a Tim Thomas clone) would have disrupted the Bulls team Chemistry which is actually pretty good this year since we got rid of our selfish player(s)(Gordon, and now Thomas)

  • IF Dung is part of a sign and trade for Bosh or any other max type free agent then we will almost certainly be able to structure the rest of that deal to maintain our cap space and sign another max type free agent outright.

    I think that this is the Bulls plan(i.e., flexibility) going into this summer.

  • so this is it?

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