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Rumorpress.net: Deng + Noah for Bosh?

Per rumorpress.net:

In a shocking discovery, the Bulls and Raptors have engaged in talks
that would send Chris Bosh to the Bulls before Thursday's trade
deadline.  The Bulls would send Luol Deng and Joakim Noah to the
Raptors for Bosh.

I'd do it.   I know people are going to be all over the board, but you have to presume that Bosh is amenable to signing here if the trade goes down.  I'm sure he'd let the Bulls know otherwise.   It doesn't mean for sure that you get to sign Bosh this summer, but you can offer more money than other teams, so it's a virtual lock that you can sign him.

I'd much, much rather build around Rose/Bosh than Rose/Noah.   Rose/Bosh is an ideal pair to start a franchise with a great guard, a great big man.   Get one other all-star or near all-star level player and some role players, and you're a contender if Derrick Rose hits a high ceiling.

Also, by getting Bosh, the Bulls could operate "over" the cap which would allow them to use the MLE and bird rights to sign their own FAs meaning they could keep the rest of the team intact if they choose and add a MLE player.  

Granted, there are downsides to this move, but I think it's better to lock in one of the best players for sure with this type of trade rather than roll the dice if you have a choice.

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  • I like this deal because it also looks better for another free agent like LeBron or Wade (i know im dreaming big) to also come to Chicago when there are already 2 All Stars there now. But i would hate to have to give up Noah. Hes one of my favorite player cause he plays hard ALL THE TIME. something you cant say for half the players in this league. But id still do it.

  • Well you also can take into account that the Bulls may want to then keep Salmons to play small forward if that doesn't screw up their cap.

  • The Bulls need to pull the trigger if this rumor is legit!!!

  • This would be a strange/bad trade for the Bulls. You give up the chance to have Deng, Noah, AND Bosh. Bosh and Noah are perfect complements for each other. Add Deng and Rose to that mix and now you've got something. Rose + Hinrich + Salmons + Bosh + Miller? What do you do in 2010 and beyond ?!?! Unless this would signal the white flag and we have Rose + Bosh, Dump Hinrich and Salmons, and pray for Wade.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    If you have the option to get one of the "Big 3" by losing Noah and Deng.... you do it. You get more cap space and you have 2 All stars. If you move Hinrich, then you have enough cap space for two major free agents. Then add Camby or Haywood to replace Noah.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    You know what, as I think about this maybe you are right. Who knows maybe Salmons opts in and next year with Bosh and Rose we make a move for Melo. This whole, close, but yet so far away scenario completely sucks. Especially if Lebron gets paired with Amare or Wade.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    Doug makes some great points in his new podcast as to why salmons will opt out. I highly recommend listening to it.

    Here's his argument:

    With the new CBA, there's high potential of a lockout, meaning that Salmons would hit the market at age 32 instead of 30, lowering the value of this contract. Combine this with the imminence of a new CBA that reduces players salary, and it's inconceivable that he stays (unless he's falling head over heels for the city itself :P). He would have to play absolutely out of his mind for that one year, and even then it's hard to imagine he'd get anywhere near what he's going to get if he opts out.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    Is it legal to discuss with the agent/the player before the trade the percentage of whether he will resign during the summer? I am wondering if the Bulls will do it.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    Marc Stein just said the Rockets will decide to send T-Mac to the Bulls or Knicks by tomorrow evening...

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Do you know what the bulls are offering for T-Mac?

  • In reply to cuillini:

    I think it's Miller,Thomas and Salmons or Hinrich..

    That's not a bad move.. Though it scares me what will happen to our frontline considering Noah is out and Miller has been helping us out!!.. Don't tell me Chris Richard will play Centre!!! Lol

  • In reply to cuillini:

    Work this trade and the one with Boston. How about this for a Bull's Starting Five to end the season...

    D. Rose
    R. Allen
    J. Salmons
    T. Gibson
    C. Bosh

  • In reply to cuillini:

    It would be the best of times, and it would be the worst of times.

    While I can't wait to get rid of Luol Dung, and I would love to add Bosh now, I can't stand the thought of getting rid of Noah, he is actually my favorite Bull, and he would be perfect playing with Bosh.

    If this deal is even remotely in the works, the Bulls should find a third team to sweeten the pot for the Raps while allowing the Bulls to keep Noah. Use Tyrus, HInrich and Salmons as bait for the third team to offer someone off equal value to Noah for the Raps.

    All of this being said, if this deal is on the table, the Bulls should accept it in a Chicago minute.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    Doug, who(in the hell) is rumorpress.net?! I might buy this rumor/story if other outlets CBS, Yahoo, ESPN followed suit/substantiated this. Do you buy it?

    I think the value of Joakim Noah is very real, but with even a 20 or 30% chance his career is hampered by plantar fasciitis I would be afraid that would limit his value where otherwise I might buy he and Luol could be a viable component for somebody's excellent player.

    But Chris Bosh? Why would Toronto trade perhaps one of the top five or six players in the league for two good(Luol)to very good(Joakim) players??

    Did Bosh indicate he was not going to resign with Toronto/wanted out? Everything I've heard has been to the contrary. He just said he was happy with his team's play, and wouldn't be unhappy if they didn't add a player before the deadline?? I really have a hard time buying this rumor? What do you think?

  • In reply to SamS:

    A Bulls insider on the forums at realgm that called Wallace trade, Salmons and Miller trade, Both Jalen Rose trades, Gordon and Deng being drafted. and alot more

  • In reply to SamS:

    Bulls are offering Tyrus, Miller, and Jerome James for T-Mac but they say its not for certain. Rockets don't have any interest in Kirk either.

    The article is up on Espn and KC johnson has a nice piece recently posted in the Chicago Tribune..

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    This move gains us exactly zero cap space since all three of those guys are expiring contracts, so whats the point

  • In reply to SamS:

    rose + bosh = the bulls are thefront runner to sign either wade or lebron

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    I agree. But I wonder if D. Wade will come to Chicago if Miami picks up Stoudemire by the trade deadline?

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    I would love this trade but we would need to do other moves since we would lose so many minutes. However, a lineup of:

    Rose
    Kirk
    Salmons
    Bosh
    Miller

    isnt bad but it could be better. We could do the TT for Harrington trade and have

    Rose
    Kirk
    Harrington
    Bosh
    Miller

    Im just not sure about the team after this trade.

    Doug, what do you think our other moves would be if we did this trade. We would have to bring in more players to score and start.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Doug,

    Dont you think this trade leaves us very vulnerable to a fatal hit to our team if Bosh decides not to return in the offseason. What do you think the risk is?

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    As much as I love Noah, I would do this in a heartbeat. I might even ruin my poker face by saying yes too quickly. I see this as the same as Minnesota asking for Al Jefferson in the Kevin Garnett trade from a couple years ago. While Boston initially hesitated, they knew the stakes were too high to not to complete it. Al was a fan favorite and a very promising big man. But after trading for Ray Allen, they knew that getting Garnett was their best chance at taking a shot at a title which they immediately won. I see bringing in Bosh as taking the same necessary gamble.

    Big risk, big reward. I've said it on this blog before. I'd rather take a calculated risk and fail spectacularly because a FA decided to test the market than timidly maintain mediocrity. There's no excuse for not doing everything in your power to try and bring a championship contending team to the city. Acting boldly pairs up two All-Stars with the chance to attract a third. If a big time free agent like Bosh can't see what a great opportunity that is, then he was never gonna sign with you to begin with!!

    Plus, I don't understand why people say they need assurances that someone like Bosh, Amar'e or Boozer would resign with them before they can trade for them. That's nonsense! You want THEM to take a risk and commit to YOU before YOU take a risk and commit to THEM?? What sense does it make for you to even ask that of someone? I want the opportunity to bring them here FIRST then have the privilege to convince them to stay. That's like asking a woman to marry you BEFORE you commit to courting her. Why would anyone agree to that? I'd much rather be in the driver seat. That's why Cleveland, Miami and Toronto have a much better chance of keeping their superstars than the rest of the league of stealing them away.

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    If this deal goes down, the Bulls would still have to dump Hinrich, Salmons and Tyrus in order to have the cap space to sign Lebron or Wade. Not saying that I wouldn't do just that, I absolutely would, but we still have to find takers for Hinrich's contract and Salmons as well.

    An awful lot of IF's

  • In reply to SamS:

    I want to say no but at the end of the day to shed Dengs 51 mil remaining I have to say yes.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Amen

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    I don't agree with the thinking that Deng's contract is awful. I ask anyone who is in that camp, what would Deng get as a FA this summer? I'm sure it would be more than 5/51. Probably 6/80.

    I forget which Blog site had this info, but statistically Deng is the 6th best defender in the entire NBA this year. He also has some of the best +/- stats on our team.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    I love this trade. I just wish there was another outlet or leak talking about it.

    Though, I guess most of the Bulls trades over the years don't get leaked to outlets like ESPN.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Really we are taking time discussing a rumor from rumorpress.net this seems like a complete waste of time. When, but more likely if, this is reported somewhere else I will be more inclined to believe it. To be honest it doesn't make a ton of sense for the Raptors.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    why are people complainin .. if toronto said no then i"ll even add this years first to get chris bosh.. noah is replaceable with a trade or sign ..camby or chandler..

    then i would trade for mike miller or ray allen.. hell i"ll throw tyrus into the deal with toronto..
    u have to build around stars n not get one later.. noah and deng probably hit their ceilings..rose w bosh and a kevin martin or ray allen n deep team w a godlod coach makes us contend easily..deng cant be a third option.. n noah shouldnt be untouchable for a allstar.. please bring in bosh at any cost..

    noah,deng,tyrus or first for chris bosh and a bad contract..marcus banks..

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    This would be a horrible move! Why trade away 2 of our best pieces for Bosh when you can possibly get him this summer!

    AND WHY THE HECK ARENT WE GOING AFTER AMARE RIGHT NOW! He is just as good as Bosh and you only have to give up Miller +Tyrus and a draft pick to get him!!!!

  • In reply to SamS:

    this is a good deal just because even if you dont attract wade or bron bron you can still snag Lee away from the NYK. who has a better offensive game then Noah replacing one Gator with a Gator chomp chomp

  • In reply to cleimann:

    In the real NBA(not Mike D'Antoni's KNicks world)Lee and Bosh play the same position, Power forward.

  • In reply to SamS:

    I don't see why Toronto would want this deal, Noah yes, Dungs contract, no. Maybe they just want somebody who won't complain about collecting his millions in Canada.

  • In reply to nucahx:

    Jannero Pargo is on the block too?!? I like jannero even though hes not doing much...

    THINGS ARE STARTING TO HEAT UP!!!!!!

  • In reply to kbar17:

    if you can make this trade, you do it in a heartbeat. It's a huge risk to let him hit the open market, and we get to get rid of deng's contract. Do you really love the current core so much that you would risk a perpetual mediocrity to maintain it. as much as I love noah, it's time for a change. I hope fans haven't fallen in love with scrappy-skiles era basketball-- I for one, want to be a good team again. That doesn't have to outwork their opponent every night, that isn't painful to watch one quarter without fail because our long twos aren't falling (Deng's favorite shot). Please let this be true.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Also keep in mind that Deng will look worse and worse as a third and forth option. He isn't dynamic enough to make an impact on the court without being involved in the offense. If we did get a top player, Deng would be lost for an entire game instead of just the 4th quarter. He needs touches to be effective.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    as hard as it is to give up Noah getting rid of Dung is even more important than getting Bosh.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    Deng is frustrating at times, but he's productive. I think we, as Bulls fans, tend to see a lot of the negative in him and forget about the positive. I would hate to lose Noah. But this trade would be exciting nonetheless. I wish so badly that it was Deng/Salmons/Johnson/1st for Bosh or something like that.. but that's too good to be true.

  • In reply to kbar17:

    I'll believe it when I see it....

  • In reply to nucahx:

    You sign Lebron, or Wade or Joe Johnson this summer,

    If none of those guys come this summer, you hoard cap space for the summer of 2011 and go after Carmelo anthony, either way you fill in the blanks and start winning championships, or competing with Lebron.

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