Bulls set up for dud trading deadline?

Look, there's nothing less reliable than "basketball sources".   I've scared to post any rumors I hear these days simply for the fact that of all the rumors I've heard through inside sources, not one has actually ever taken place.    Most trade rumors are plants by agents, management, or players to try and get leverage in some way.   That being said, most of the teams the Bulls have been rumored to be talking to are likely out of the picture in terms of trades.

The Lakers don't want to give us expirings for Kirk, the Bulls don't want to trade him and take back salary.   No one else seems interested in Kirk.

The Blazers traded their two expirings for Camby, and though they say they still want to look at Tyrus, it's hard to imagine them doing so unless they give us some incredible package of young players on rookie deals to make up the salary [in which case the Bulls would need to desperately figure out how to shed salary to still have any FA room].

John Salmons appears untradeable which worries me more about his opt-in status though I still think he probably opts out for the simple reason that if there's a lockout, Salmons will be deciding between playing FA at 30 or 32, and negotiating under this CBA or the new CBA.   Still, he needs to think he can get 3 years 12 million or something similar in order to make it worth it.

The Bulls have had talks about McGrady with Houston, but that makes little sense given that every source says Houston won't take Salmons or Hinrich back.   What's the point then?   To give them good expirings for McGrady who may not even be able to play?   Right.

I have an extremely high degree of confidence that Tyrus Thomas is not a Bull when this trade deadline is over, but it's looking more and more to me like that's going to be the only move that comes out of it.   If so, the Bulls will be skating into 2010 FA hoping Salmons opts out in order to have max room, or giving up on the big three before FA even starts.

Here's to hoping the Bulls have more up their sleeve, and I look like a moron in 40 hours [or so] hours.

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  • PARGO WANTS TO BE TRADED...GOOD!!!

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64772/20100217/bulls_working_to_grant_pargos_trade_request/

    Send him on his way and go find a young SG to take his place.

    - Nick Young
    - Anthony Morrow
    - Sam Young
    - Jermaine Taylor
    - Wayne Ellington

    Whoever they can't get, I'm good with.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Ur obsession with Nick Young is uncanny.

  • In reply to adkhanz:

    You see other names on that list, right? If not OPEN YOUR EYES...goof.

    Nick Young is a decent player, who is on the trading block. That is why I'm including him in the discussion.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    yea..he just happens to be #1 on his list, that's all :-p

  • In reply to joebe:

    Yeah, Happy clearly suffers from a Nick Young fixation. He also seems to think that any of those teams would actually trade for Pargo. Either way he's being ridiculous.

  • In reply to joebe:

    I would really appreciate it, if Steve Kerr kept Amar'e Stoudemire out of Cleveland and Miami. So, here's what I propose, once again.

    To Bulls: David Lee and Darko Milicic
    To Suns: Luol Deng, Jordan Hill, Chris Duhon and a #1 Pick
    To Knicks: Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyrus Thomas

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yloqzwb

    I believe that trade could set off a positive domino effect for the Bulls. First, I think LBJ leaves Cleveland and goes to the Knicks. That opens the door for DWADE to leave Miami and come to the Bulls.

    BULLS LINEUP:

    PG - Rose
    SG - Wade
    SF - Salmons or Johnson
    PF - Lee
    C - Noah

    KNICKS LINEUP:

    PG - Robinson or Douglas
    SG - LBJ or ?
    SF - LBJ, Chandler or Galinari
    PF - Thomas
    C - Stoudemire

    Everyone is happy, especially Bulls and Knicks fans...haha.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bulls fans would not be happy losing to the knicks in the conf finals every year.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    You know who would put us over the top against that Knicks team? That's right...Nick Young!

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    Somebody get ALBA BERLIN on the phone and offer up Jannero Pargo for Derrick Byars...haha!!!

    I miss his effort and his 50% 3PT. Shooting.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    That wouldn't happen. WADE is a WINNER, unlike LBJ.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    That might be one of the stupidest things I ever heard

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Somebody somewhere pointed out that if NY pulls off the McGrady trade and doesn't re-sign him (which is a no-brainer), they'll have a ton of cap room next year, probably enough to sign two max guys. That being the case, there's a decent chance the Bulls could get shut out of the big F.A.'s altogether. So what happens then? Well, Rose becomes Walter Payton, a terrific, classy player on perpetually mediocre teams that have little chance of making significant strides because A) they're not bad enough to get high draft picks, and B) they're not good enough to have trade assets, or attract quality free agents. We should all probably prepare for them to be a .500 team for the next 7-10 years. Depressing...

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    BULLS go get Amare!!! If he leaves...FINE....just use his expiring contract. OR just keep him and draft a nice young SG like Xavier Henry. Rose,Hinrich,Deng,Amare,Noah is still a really good lineup. With the money you have left this summer sign a decent SG...Mike Miller,Anthony Marrow,keep Salmons, TMac possibly. Why risk the chance of striking out big on Bosh this summer when you have Amare for a bag of grapefruits!!!!! Bosh isnt even that much better then Amare.

    Rose,Hinrich
    TMac/Salmons/Mike Miller, Xavier Henry DRAFT PICK
    Deng, James Johnson
    Amare,Taj
    Noah, Cheap FA

    TOP 3 team in the East right there

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    In reply to charitystripe:

    Since we're playing free agent pickum...here some predictions

    Wade - stays in miami (like any intelligent brotha would)

    Lebron - going out on a limb and saying he joins wade in miami. My bladder does not like this scenario.

    Bosh - Chicago. Pretty please. I think he likes playing next to Rose, who's showed himself a better passer than I thought in the all star game. I was thinking new york but then there's...

    Joe Johnson - Knicks. All that cash, not enough free agents for the tops to go to ny. What'd biggie say? Mo money, mo problems. Might work next to Lee though.

    Amare - to Philly. I'm amazed phoenix hasn't pulled the trigger for iguodala yet. What is amare, like the 4th option in the suns offense?

    C'mon Doug whaddaya say? Whoever runs the table and gets all the FA picks right gets an interview at the berto center - or some of the shwag you picked up in florida. You game?

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    perfect derrick rose team ....

    derrick rose
    ray allen
    mike miller
    chris bosh
    tyson chandler ... head coach .... who ever likes pushing the ball lol it doesnt even matter what we think the bulls always never trade for a star anyway .. & signing one this summer seems like a stretch because we would need a good performance in the second round in order to get wade or boshs attention.. & us wanting to do a salary dump with players who mean something hinrich,tyrus or salmons for bums isnt goina help us get far....

    truthfully ..the trading deadline is it... and we only made one move...brown for gray... smh...joakim,loul,1st & tyrus for bosh n a contract... p.s we can move kirk & salmons later .. but we cant plan without a star anymore we have to plan with them.. two stars can win a chamionship & we only have one who needs to play with another to elevate his game...bring in bosh at whatever cost..

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    So maybe I'm missing something here, but what exactly do the Bulls gain by trading Miller, Thomas and James for McGrady? The salary cap relief is substantially equal, and Miller and Thomas are likely to provide more value on the court than McGrady this year. Count me in the category of not getting this (rumored) trade, unless they can dump Salmons/Hinrich in it too.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    THIS JUST IN:

    I guess Nate Robinson is getting traded to Boston.

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64779/20100217/celtics_acquire_nate_robinson/

    That leaves the Lakers and Rockets as the only two known
    destinations for Kirk Hinrich. It doesn't seem like the Lakers can afford him, nor does it seem like the Rockets want him.

    That's good news for Bulls fans who want Hinrich in Chicago.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    Here's my Top 10 Pargo and/or Johnson trades for the Bulls to make.

    Here's some Jannero Pargo trade ideas.

    1.)

    To Bulls: Kevin Ollie and Etan Thomas
    To OKC: Jannero Pargo and Jerome James

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhgr2zw

    2.)

    To Bulls: Mardy Collins and Al Thornton
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjllqa3

    3.)

    To Bulls: Rasual Butler
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk3ymtp

    4.)

    To Bulls: Nick Young
    To Wizards: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson)

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygrdltm

    5.)

    To Bulls: a late 1st Round Pick (Denver's or LA Lakers') and Sam Young
    To Grizzlies: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and CASH

    6.)

    To Bulls: Anthony Carter and Aaron Afflalo (or Joey Graham)
    To Nuggets: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson)

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygkovlk

    7.)

    To Bulls: Wayne Ellington and Mark Blount
    To T-Wolves: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and Jerome James

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylkczr2

    8.)

    To Bulls: Terrence Williams
    To Nets: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and future considerations

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh7ozx2

    9.)

    To Bulls: Kelenna Azubuike
    To Warriors: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjvhvfj

    10.)

    To Bulls: Anthony Morrow and Devean George (or CJ Watson)
    To Warriors: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and CASH

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg2a6r7

    I would take any of those deals, right now.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    Here are some Jannero Pargo and/or James Johnson trade ideas.

    1.)

    To Bulls: Kevin Ollie and Etan Thomas
    To OKC: Jannero Pargo and Jerome James

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhgr2zw

    2.)

    To Bulls: Mardy Collins and Al Thornton
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjllqa3

    3.)

    To Bulls: Rasual Butler
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yk3ymtp

    4.)

    To Bulls: Nick Young
    To Wizards: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson)

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygrdltm

    5.)

    To Bulls: a late 1st Round Pick (Denver's or LA Lakers') and Sam Young
    To Grizzlies: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and CASH

    6.)

    To Bulls: Anthony Carter and Aaron Afflalo (or Joey Graham)
    To Nuggets: Jannero Pargo

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygkovlk

    7.)

    To Bulls: Wayne Ellington and Mark Blount
    To T-Wolves: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and Jerome James

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylkczr2

    8.)

    To Bulls: Terrence Williams
    To Nets: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and future considerations

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh7ozx2

    9.)

    To Bulls: Kelenna Azubuike
    To Warriors: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjvhvfj

    10.)

    To Bulls: Anthony Morrow and Devean George (or CJ Watson)
    To Warriors: Jannero Pargo (or James Johnson) and CASH

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yg2a6r7

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Its not so much the decent or caliber of players or so much the list of others besides Nick Young, but rather how many times Nick Young appears with "MR Happy" living happily redundant post after post.

  • In reply to adkhanz:

    I'm hearing that the Memphis Grizzlies want to add a perimeter scorer and get rid of one of their three 1st Round Picks. Maybe, the Bulls should give them a call.

    To Memphis: Jannero Pargo
    To Bulls: a late 1st Round Pick

    Is it possible? Who knows?

  • In reply to adkhanz:

    It sounds like Rodger Mason Jr wants out of San Antonio and SA is willing to accomodate him. Especially if we end up moving Kirk, getting Rodger to play the 2 for us would be pretty sweet.

    Salmons is a wierd cat though. Logically, opting out is his best news, but if I were the GM I'm not sure I'd be comfortable counting on it. He just looks wrong this year, even when he has good games. He's constantly fumbling the ball and looking a half beat off from everyone else on the floor.

  • Doug - Quick question. Have you heard anything about TMac? I mean Grover keeps saying that he's ready to play and that he'll have TMac run through any drills that teams want to see him do. I can't see Grover pushing that hard for one of his clients if he doesn't feel that he's ready. Keep up the great work.

  • Im just gonna sit back and watch the show now....

    I wonder if David West is available....Maybe not since the Hornets are under the tax now..and even if we were gonna get him, it probably wouldve been in the Devin Brown trade.

  • Maybe Chris Bosh wakes up today and decides he wants to play for the Chicago Bulls.

    Wouldn't this be nice?

    To Bulls: Chris Bosh and Sonny Weems
    To Raptors: David West, John Salmons and two #1 Picks
    To Hornets: Tyrus Thomas and Jannero Pargo

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5474160

    Everybody would be so happy, especially Bulls fans...haha!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    McGrady CAN play. He had no problems when on the floor in Houston. If they were to trade Salmons and Hinrich, so be it!!! What is the complaint? This season really don't matter, its about the summer.

  • In reply to Houston:

    Hincrap deserve to be Kaptain Klank, lord of the make belief defense somewhere else.

    As far as trades are concerned, go get Stoudamire! Paired with Rose, we r more likely to attract a Big FA agent this summer. Else, he becomes a major attraction for FA to go to Miami. Then, we end up paying 5 billion for Joe Johnson.

  • In reply to Houston:

    I would be shocked if Salmons or Hinrich are traded by the deadline. When you have bad assets, you have to trade them asap and not try to hold out for the best deal. The Lakers seem unwilling to take on Hinrich's deal, and I don't see anyone lining up to take a struggling Salmons off the Bulls hands. Those guys are playing to poorly for anyone to have real interest in them.

    If a team steps up in the last minute to take either player. I think it would almost have to be a Western conference team. I just can't see a team in the East doing the Bulls a favor just so they can try to get a major upgrade in the off season. That's why it's best to dump guys asap, and not try to be cute with the situation.

  • In reply to Houston:

    Houston - AGREED! I'd pull the trigger on him. what do we have to lose?

  • In reply to Houston:

    Since Pargo wants out and Johnson isn't good, how about this trade?

    To Bulls: Mardy Collins and Al Thornton
    To Clippers: Jannero Pargo and James Johnson

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjllqa3

    Those two guys would help bring more depth to the Bulls bench.

    * The Bulls could also trade Pargo and Johnson for Butler.

    That saves money and brings depth.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Somebdoy has to take the trade machine away from Mr. Happy.

  • In reply to Houston:

    I still think it's premature.

    1) We don't know for sure that we've heard about all the team's trade talks. I figure it's a safe bet that we haven't.

    2) Hinrich to LA hasn't been pronounced dead. One team may blink. A third team could be found.

    3) We've been associated with several teams over the last few weeks, and only a handful can truly be ruled out, like Portland and maybe now Boston.

    4) If anything, yesterday's news shows that the Bulls are being increasingly aggressive when it comes to trying to make a big splash.

    5) The Bulls m.o. has been last minute trade deadline deals---they weigh their options and strike late. It's not tomorrow yet.

    I fully acknowledge that there are clues that things aren't working out right. Things may not work out right. I'm just suggesting it's too soon to assume they haven't or that something unexpected won't pop up.

  • In reply to Houston:

    Here's another good idea.

    To Bulls: Kevin Ollie and Etan Thomas
    To OKC: Jannero Pargo and Jerome James

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhgr2zw

    It gives the Bulls another veteran BIG and PG.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    kevin ollie? ...really?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I remember last year several news outlets had Amare all but traded to the Bulls for a package involving Tyrus Thomas. Every year it's the same crap. The Bulls went how many years without an All-Star? They are just not big time players/F.A. wheeler dealers. That Bosh rumor from one obscure site. Please. If we get a mid First Rounder for Tyrus honestly I'll be pleasantly surprised even at that. As Doug says I hope the Bulls prove people wrong, and do something good. Doubt it.

  • In reply to Houston:

    I think it would make a lot of sense to go after Amare, sense the Suns seem willing to trade him for a bag of balls. If Salmons can't be traded or opts in, at least the Bulls would have Amare's bird rights.

    The Suns are entertaining less than stellar offers from the Heat and Cavs. So a package of Miller, Thomas, Johnson a 2 first for Amare and Lopez should be more than enough to land Amare. I have my doubts about Amare, but I think he would feed on the Eastern conference.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Houston....that is the point, I dont think Houston will take Salmons and Hinrich or it'd be done imo

  • I didn't trade Johnson in that trade. I traded Pargo and James. And by the way, Etan Thomas can still rebound and play defense and Ollie is a veteran PG, with experience.

    What are Pargo and James giving this team? NADA!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    And you think we need Ollie because he's going to do so much more than Pargo? Or is it because you'd like us to set a league record of who can have the most 40 yr old pg's on a team?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    TRACY MCGRADY is washed up!!!! Do not trade for this untrustworthy no heart of a player!!! If you have to make these trades to get under the cap, trade our descent players and get something in return. Again... these big name free agents are not coming to the bulls. I mean the bulls dont even know who their coach is going to be next season. And I really can see Bosh going to Miami next year if they dont get Amare. So he is our only option as far as a big name goes. Maybe Joe Johnson but Atlanta has the potential to keep advancing deeper into the playoffs for at least the next few years so why would he leave that. I just cant see it happening. I hope the bulls are not stupid and trade for sorry T-MAC who lied to them ten years ago.

  • James Johnson can't play basketball...sad but true. I know you wanted to start him ahead of Taj, that would have gotten Vinny fired...lol.

  • Assumption/implication there is, after we sign Stoudamire, we unload Miller, Deng, Hincrap at/by start of FA time. We at least make it more desirable to be in Chicago....maybe pull a "bait and switch tactic"....(lure Wade by Stoudamire, next sign Bosh, etc.)...of course keeping Bosh from going to Miami is a whole other ball game..

  • can we sweeten the deal and throw in Benny the Bull too!

  • Doug is right, get real people. Too bad that we didn't sign Gordon, so we would have had 4 guys that nobody wants as our "core"

  • Obviously, Bulls fans would rather see Salmons moved than Hinrich, who despite his being overpaid, has real value to the Bulls winning games, and would continue to do so going forward.

  • Unfortunately, reality bites, and the reality is that the Bulls have overated and overpaid their players pretty much since Jordan and Pippen left.

    It does seem that in this NBA economy the Bulls are stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place and nothing will happen unless the Bulls bite the Bullet and give someone away for nothing.

    As for Salmons, the way that he has regressed this season, next years $6 million might be the last NBA money he will ever see, especially if there is a lock out.

  • one piece at a time...
    -->Hincrap for Vudajac (net of 4mil) for now....then hope to find suiter at seasons end

    --> Isn't Miller coming of the books after this season?

    --> Deng with Thomas as sweetner - 3 way deal, but has to be worked out, Take back expiring contract, and money considerations, give up draft choices, etc.

    The other problem, remains is the impact of continuing paying coaches who do not coach the Bulls. (Skiles, Vinny, new coach).
    Couple that with salary cap (~54 mil) with respect to economy, market, no player value adjustment per today's standards and we have ourselves the 801 pound gorilla!

  • They don't have to get Amar'e, they just have to block Amar'e from getting him.

  • listen folks... the bulls management are obviously trying to get under the cap which means trying to trade Hinrich which I do hate for them to do or Salmonds which I am sure we all can live with and any other players they can whose contract is expiring. As far as Tyrus, I'm sure the bulls are trying to trade him but they want to get the best trade value for him because he is a restricted free agent which means if the bulls do keep him past the deadline for the rest of the season, then they can either keep him or renouce his rights and let him walk. So whoever tries to get Thomas, they are going to have to give up something. I mean lets face it Tyrus does have issues but this guy has a lot of talent so why not get something for him cause after all this guy is somewhat helping the team and he was a lottery pick a few years ago. And that's what these other teams know which is why they are trying to get Tyrus for nothing. So don't be so quick to try to run Tyrus out of town.

  • Excuse me.

    The John Paxson should BLOCK Miami and Cleveland from getting Amar'e, especially if he wants Wade on his team come July. That has to be Paxson's intentions.

  • THIS JUST IN:

    According to reports, the Bulls are out of the Tracy McGrady sweepstakes!!!

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/64791/20100217/bulls_out_of_t_mac_hunt/

  • Im ok with Amare going to Maimi because then our shot at Bosh just got a whole lot better. He would have to choose between NY,Chicago and Toronto...NY is terrible,Toronto is a solid team but thats it and if he comes to Chicago we could be a possibly Championship contender. So i would think he would come to Chicago. If Amare goes to Cleveland...then the Bulls have to go against the Heat in acquiring Bosh...and i dont really like our chances in that case. Bosh and Wade have been friends for years and played in All Star games,Olympics etc... But tomorrow afternoon if the Bulls dont have anything on the table...I would offer Phoenix a last second offer of Brad Miler,Tyrus Thomas and a 1st round draft pick to steal him away from Cleveland and Miami. That way you still have a major piece thats about of your puzzle. Rose,Noah,Deng,Amare,Hinrich,Taj...have a good draft and sign a decent SG or something and your looking good.

  • ...and the Bulls are entering the Amare Stoudemire picture, according to the Wjorawski(i know i spelled it wrong) at Y!

  • SALMONS IS GETTING TRADED TONIGHT!! The team told him to stay at the hotel and he won't play tonight vs Knicks....Wow

  • Hope we get someone young for salmons, who can run and gun with rose!

  • Manonneptune r u serous!!!! WOOOOOO HOOO!!!!!! GO GET HIM!!!!

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