Stein: Bulls looking for shooter; expirings

Stein's article:

Chicago has been quietly looking for a shooter but craves additional
salary-cap space for its summer business more than it wants short-term
help, so the Bulls keep trying to land an expiring contract in exchange
for Kirk Hinrich or John Salmons. ...

Well no big surprises there.  It's hard to come up with good trade scenarios here.  What's interesting about this rumor though is that the Bulls reportedly could have moved Hinrich to Portland this summer for an expiring, but they choose not to. 

I'm not sure I buy into the idea that they changed their minds entirely just yet, nor am I positive the previously mentioned report is accurate, but if they changed their mind just like that it really shows a pretty terrible mistake in managerial thinking.

Hinrich to Portland for Steve Blake + Martell Webster [saves the Bulls about half of Hinrich's salary] or Travis Outlaw (saves all of his salary)

Mike Miller for Kirk Hinrich to the Wizards if they were interested [wouldn't think so, but you never know].

Maybe Korver + CJ Miles + one of their cheap guys for Hinrich [doubt jazz are interested because they take on more luxury tax money].

Jason Kapono + Royal Ivey for Hinrich [though Kapono isn't expiring, but it would save a little cap room next season].

Anthony Morrow + Vladamir Radmanovic + cash [to cover up salary difference] for Hinrich, like Kapono, Radman isn't expiring, but does save us some money next year, and it gives us matching rights on Morrow.

Would any of the above teams do any of those deals?   Would the Bulls do any of those deals?   Not really sure on either question.   The first deal is probably too good to be true for the Bulls. 

The second deal may depend on whether Washington can void Arenas or not.

The third deal seems unlikely because Utah tax on more luxury tax payments this season, but it could be cleared up with cash.

The fourth deal seems like it's simply pretty terrible for the Bulls.  They do save the final year of Hinrich's salary, but Kapono is a pretty steep drop off in talent.

The final deal doesn't seem to make a whole ton of sense for GS, but Hinrich is the type of guard who could complement Curry and Ellis because he could defend the two, but handle the PG offensively, setting up the offense and bringing the ball up the court, plus the extra salary isn't tons given they save on Radman next season and would likely not keep Morrow anyway.

Any other thoughts?

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  • I don't need to be Mark Stein to know this team needs another SG and/or a shooter. Afterall, I have been saying since they cut Derrick Byars.

    Personally, I would rather see them get a shooter (aka Nick Young...who is available), by trading Tyrus Thomas, Jannero Pargo or James Johnson instead of Kirk Hinrich and John Salmons.

    I say that because they need to worry about making the playoffs this season, before they concentrate on the unpredictable summer of 2010 and all the free-agents, who may or may not be available to them.

    A young SG, like Nick Young, and a veteran big, like Brendan Haywood, gets the Bulls into the 5th seed. No doubt about it.

    To Bulls: Nick Young, Brendan Haywood
    To Wizards: Ty Thomas, James Johnson, Aaron Gray and a #1 Pick

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yl383k6

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here's the big question--do you type out this same post every day, or do you cut and paste? It seems like cut and paste would be easier. Just curious.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    PS- I expect to see you propose this same idiotic trade 100-500 times between now and the trade deadline. And I want a link to the trade on ESPN or realgm every time. Also, please occasionally give me a listing of our roster showing what positions you have Young and Haywood slated at, because I forget. You better not disappoint me.

    Signed,

    VETERAN BIG AND YOUNG SG

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    I think your squirrel needs some cheese. Check.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    I still think the team that might want Hinrich or at least could be a nice fit for him is Oklahoma City.

    To Bulls: Eric Maynor and Etan Thomas
    To Thunder: Kirk Hinrich

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhpwegl

    OKC has hardly any veterans on their roster. Plus, it works out for Hinrich because he gets to play with Durant, Collison and Thabo on a winning team in BIG 12 country.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Huge fan or Eric Maynors, I bet so is OKC, they are not trading him. Maybe we should throw in Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson and nexts years #1.

    That might do the trick.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    I like how this is news. Team with terrible perimeter shooting seeks a shooter. That's like a fat guy seeking a cupcake.

    I like Nick Young, but don't see the Wiz moving him unless it is part of moving a big contract (Antawn or Butler). He may be a good youn 2 to pair with Rose.

    I think Kurt to Portland sounds good. He'd be a good fit for them. I assume that the would want Gray too so they could have more size with all the injuries.

    I don't like the idea of a full expiring for Kirk. I'd rather get a piece. Fan should feel lucky to get one big time FA this summer and a good piece may help the Bulls chances

  • In reply to edwardbuell:

    I think Nick Young is available.

    Just watching some of their games lately, he's not getting any minutes behind Randy Foye and Mike Miller. I don't think the Bulls would have to take on a bad contract to get him.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    Here's that trade on the RealGM TradeChecker.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5396991

    That's stats are almost identical.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    Do you have any ideas of your own? Probably not. Is the squirrel still running? Check.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why give up just 1 future #1 pick, lets make it every other year for the next decade. Can't miss this once in a lifetime opportunity to land Nick Young.

  • I've been a fan of the Mike Miller for Hinrich trade for awhile now. It is probably unlikely they want to take on the contract, but then it's somewhat hard to predict just what they're next move(s) will be.

  • I'm really torn on whether or not we should deal Hinrich. I think we can all agree that he's overpaid in the current market, and that Rose makes him expendable because Hinrich is more of a PG. At the same time, he's actually played pretty well at SG since he's been starting, he's the only guy on the roster that can capably play both guard positions, and he's probably our best defender (on the perimeter he may be our only real defender). If we deal him before the deadline, I fear that it will be a rough end to the season. In fact, I saw an interesting stat from Swirsky earlier this week--Bulls are 1-6 w/o Hinrich and opponents shoot 4% better from the field. Given, I think most of those games are against Western Conf teams, but it's interesting nonetheless. Our record w/ Hinrich starting has also been much better than w/ Salmons starting. So if we deal Hinrich, it could get ugly. This concerns me for purposes of attracting free agents, not because I have deluded myself into thinking that the Bulls are going anywhere this season.

    I also wonder whether losing Hinrich is the better move for future. Lets assume that Salmons opts out, we let Tyrus go, and we sign a max deal PF. If we deal Hinrich for an expiring, we would then need to use that money to get at least a SG, because we wouldn't have one on the roster (and unlike you Doug, I believe you need to have something more than a role player at SG no matter who else you have on the floor). That begs the question--will the SG (or other players) we get with Hinrich's salary be as valuable as Hinrich would be for the next two years? I almost say no, especially because we would likely need to give anyone decent a deal that extends beyond the 2011-12 season. Maybe there is a 2nd tier SG (read: someone other than Nick Young) that the Bulls have their eyes on, in which case this would make more sense. But otherwise, dealing Hinrich may leave the Bulls with cap space burning a hole in their pocket that they end up using on a less valuable guy with a longer contract.

    Thus, the main reason I see to deal Hinrich for an expiring is that they think Salmons is going to opt in and they can't find a taker for Salmons before the deadline. In that case, they don't really have a choice but to deal Hinrich for an expiring, to preserve the chance at landing a max guy.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    One thing no one seems to be talking about midst this Hinrich Man Love is that aside from the hypothetical FA Cap space signing next year, current players wont come cheap. Rose and Noah r gonna want to get paid$$$$. With the Cap to be around 55 M next year, we need to find a better cheaper Captain Klank.

  • The trade doesn't weaken the future. I'm sorry, if I offend you by trading off your MAN-CRUSH.

    There is NO GUARANTEE DWADE, Joe Johnson, Ama're, CB4, LJB, DLEE or any other free-agent is coming here.

    The Bulls need to worry about this season.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Making the playoffs this season is important for Derrick Rose's and Joakim Noah's development.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why doesn't Rory Shea have any ideas of his own? Can't the squirrel in his head come up with any? Get him some cheese and maybe he will.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Haha. See my 3 paragraph post above with actual logic. You have 1 idea that you re-post 3-4 times per day.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    Rory, you are a rare voice of reason, other than Doug. Mr Happy is a brick wall, and your head will lose, so why bother.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I would also keep an eye on Minnesota.

    They are CLEARLY trying to upgrade at the Small Forward position. As far as I heard, they tried to trade for Danny Granger, which failed, and there are rumors about them wanting Rudy Gay (that's a long shot).

    What if the Bulls offered up Luol Deng?

    To Bulls: Damien Wilkins (or Ryan Gomes) and Brian Cardinal
    To T-Wolves: Luol Deng

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yzq5u95

    It gives the T-Wolves a young core of:

    PG - Flynn, SG - Brewer, SF - Deng, PF - Love and Jefferson

    It gives James Johnson the SF position and the Bulls cap space for 2010.

    PG - Rose, SG - Hinrich, SF - Johnson/Salmons, PF - Gibson/Thomas, C- Noah

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here's why the Bulls should trade James Johnson?

    One, he sucks as a pro basketball player. Two, he messes up the balance on this team. They don't need three SF's and only one SG, who is really a PG. Three, there are a number of good free-agent SF's available this summer.

    - Kelenna Azubuike
    - Travis Outlaw
    - Hakim Warrick
    - Rasual Butler
    - Quentin Richardson

    James Johnson can and should be traded for a young SG.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    why wouldn't golden state pick up morrow next year? i hear good things about him, but i've never seen him play. is any good?

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Morrow is a good SG guard, who can knock down three's. I say G.S. keeps him.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They seem set with Curry and Ellis as their backcourt of the future, so maybe they don't want to pay Morrow what he'll command. Problem is, even if they move him, why for Hinrich? They already have two guards that size playing between positions?

  • In reply to muhammond:

    They need backups.

    Hinrich is an expensive back-up. No way that trade happens.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    How about Rudy Gay? Could we package Deng for him? If not, how about Salmons and Kirk? They could use a true PG next to Mayo. Conley isn't working. Gay is restricted so we could match salary if we fail to get top free agents.

    Good call out with the T-Pups. I think the best trade partners will be teams that know that nobody wants to sign with them. Teams that come to mind are Minnesota, Memphis, Milwaukee, and Charlotte. These are teams that can't give their space away. Productive players know their careers are over when they get there. Deng and Hinrich are players that won't cause a disturbance, they'll play hard, and they are locked up for a few years. Those contracts look bad now, but they'll look reasonable in a couple of years.

  • In reply to muhammond:

    Morrow seems to me to be a better, O.K. much better version of Pargo. Not saying we don't need one, but is he really a solution at shooting guard, I doubt it.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'm still on board for a Salmons to the Spurs for Mason and Finley deal. The Bulls could just waive Finley after the deal is finalized. Mason is a pretty good spot up shooter, and he could be signed on the cheap next season when the Bulls sign David Lee.

  • In reply to JimmyBulls:

    I definitely can see David Lee signing with the Bulls.

    I thought I read somewhere that Paxson liked him coming out of Florida, but they didn't have a draft pick that year to make a run at him. Also, Noah and Lee are good friends, so I'm sure Joakim will be recruiting him.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I don't see how David Lee and Noah make any sense together, they are essentially the same player, undersized rebounders who hustle their asses off and score opportunity buckets. Great guys to have, but 2 of them as starters, and earning $10 million each doesn't work.

  • In reply to BigWay:

    How is Noah under-sized? He's 6'11". Lee and Noah aren't the same player. Lee is a better scorer and would be better suited as a PF, not a Center, which is what Noah plays.

  • In reply to JimmyBulls:

    I hate to loose Tyrus but....

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yjcmv72

  • In reply to CPBuff22:

    any bull fan that says that is an idiot plain and simple. Tyrus 4 yrs in a bulls uni has been an utter disaster.

  • In reply to JimmyBulls:

    same Mason we used to have on our team?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We should have made a offer for Stephen Jackson when he wanted out of Golden State so bad. He's a risk, like Artest, but he's very intense and that's what we really need. He can take over a game with his size and strength. Bobcats are looking very good now that Gerald Wallace has a sidekick.
    Can somebody tell me what our management's plan was when we let Ben Gordon walk? Where are we supposed to be getting the points from? How badly would we be getting killed if Noah and Rose weren't doing so good? I've seen Salmons & Miller a lot while living in Sacramento and they are sure lacking motivation and having a crappy year!

  • In reply to smiley:

    They let BG walk because they feel they can buy a better more suited player at that position. They are going to try to get Joe Johnson or Dwayne Wade and both of those players play BG's position (and do are better)

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    We've dealt with the Kings a few times now. How about we make a offer to get Kevin Martin? He's back from injury and not meshing well with the Rookie of the Year, Reke Havoc Evans. I'm on their forums as well and they'll love to have Tyrus, they need some help and lack bigs. A change a scenery would do Tyrus some good! Even a big body like Aaron Gray with Tyrus Thomas, maybe also JJ would help them. Their 1-3 are pretty solid and they are getting little to nothing from Hawes their center.

  • In reply to smiley:

    Sign me up! Any trade of Tyrus that nets back a consistent player that can play at a star type level we need to jump all over.

  • In reply to smiley:

    i still think we're gonna end up with T-mac at the deadline, just my opinion.

    But one thing i would do is see if we can get one of memphis' late first round picks for Salmons, similar to what we did with thabo last year...

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The Bulls are looking for a shooter...bring back Derrick Byars.

    He had 21 points the other day for AlbaBerlin.

    :)

  • In reply to pinkizdead:

    Here's why the Bulls should not worry about this season.

    No one, with 1 brain cell can tell me that even if they make the playoffs, they have any chance of winning a series, let alone the championship. Its important to understand where you are in the pecking order of the NBA. Clearly, the Bulls are no where near an elite team. Therefore, making the playoffs this year is ireelevant. Period. Any trades or transactions should be fully focused on freeing up cash.

    This team is not going to win the championship. End of discussion. Therefore, they need to position themselves for the future. Its EXTREMELY important they move Salmons...as Ive stated since prior to the beginning of the season, he's not good..based on his play, that player option is going to look very good at the end of this year. If John Salmons accepts that option and that ultimately hinders our ability to sign a FA, I will lose it...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    The right trade could give the Bulls the 5th seed in the East and a solid chance at the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    They shouldn't just focus on the summer.

  • OKC has alot of parts in place. They only need a key veteran to take them deep into the playoffs.

    Hinrich could be that veteran.

    Kevin Ollie works instead of Eric Maynor, but the Bulls would need to get one of OKC's two 1st Round picks, at least in my opinion.

  • Hinrich to Portland for Steve Blake + Martell Webster [saves the Bulls about half of Hinrich's salary] or Travis Outlaw (saves all of his salary)

    Doubt they do this because they already have Miller complaining about minutes.

    Mike Miller for Kirk Hinrich to the Wizards if they were interested [wouldn't think so, but you never know].

    Mike Miller is finished.

    Maybe Korver + CJ Miles + one of their cheap guys for Hinrich [doubt jazz are interested because they take on more luxury tax money].

    Jazz are about to deal Brewer so they can save more money. Doubt they would want Kirk.

    Jason Kapono + Royal Ivey for Hinrich [though Kapono isn't expiring, but it would save a little cap room next season].

    The Sixers dealt for Kapono because they had no 3pt shooting at all so I doubt they give him up.

    Anthony Morrow + Vladamir Radmanovic + cash [to cover up salary difference] for Hinrich, like Kapono, Radman isn't expiring, but does save us some money next year, and it gives us matching rights on Morrow.

    Vlad is dumb as rocks and Morrow is Nellies favorite.

  • I think Golden State wants to keep Morrow. Kelenna Azubuike could have been a nice trade target, but unfortunately he got hurt.

  • It's Kirk, not Kurt.

    If the Bulls hang on to him, that doesn't mean they can't get a Max player and still extend Noah and Rose down the line.

  • I think Kurt could be a valuable piece to a contender. I just think that the best piece for the Bulls moving forward is a wing with a better 3 point shot. I like Webster, but Amy wing that can knock down an open 3 would be nice. What about Pargo to the Raps for Antoine Wright?

  • I think one does try to make the playoffs this year with an IMPROVED team (that means trades) in order to make this a reasonable FA destination. otherwise why would someone sign to play on this team? the improvements need to happen now or the Bulls will end up with FA dregs and no hope of getting someone really good.

  • Only if that "we" includes this message board. I don't see the Bulls (i.e. Reinsdorf) doing that, do you?

  • I'm hearing a lot of reports that Gay and Mayo don't get along. I also get the impression that Gay has no intention of staying in Memphis. The Grizzlies took a chance on Iverson and Randolph, so I think Deng isn't a big stretch. He's productive, he is signed, and he won't cause friction with Mayo or management. They aren't in the Lebron sweepstakes and they don't want to risk getting outbid for Gay. This is a way to get talent without having to beg someone to play for you by overpaying and giving a blue guitar as a gift.

  • Dang it! Why not play James Johnson as the third guard whenever Hinrich or Salmons is down with an injury or the flu??

    James Johnson played point guard in High School so he DOES have ballhandling skills and he CAN shoot the 3 but he needs playing time to blossom like Noah and Tyrus and Taj.

    Pargo should not be the third guard option. VDN's rotations are too mechanical and predictable. Try playing James Johnson at big guard and you'll be surprised if he turns into a poor man's LeBron sooner than the playoffs.

  • Doug, you are correct, no way OKC wants to pay Hinrich. Plus they probably think that Maynor is the better player, as do I.

  • I would in a heartbeat, but you are right, the Bulls wouldn't let the thought cross their tiny little minds.

  • Deal doesn't make any sense for the Spurs, they just broke the bank for Jefferson, and salmons has apparently proved that he is a 3 and not a 2.

  • Your gut reaction is probably correct, however, you won't be puking next season when Johnson gets Derrick Rose to the All Star game.

    Johnson doesn't get us over the hump, or near it for that matter, but it makes us a much better team and much more fun to watch, and much more professional.

  • Ditto, absolutely. Deng would be best, Salmons moves back to the 3, Johnson gets some run, and Martin starts at 2 with Hinrich back to the 3rd guard.

    We would simply be a much better team with that rotation.

  • Maybe they think that Deng will end up being cheaper than Gay would be to keep.

  • To answer your question Kukoc_7, because James Johnson is ONLY a SF.

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    Actually, I like Deng for Morrow, Azubuike and maybe claxton. Gives the bulls tons of flexibility. Maybe we get a SG going forward.

    We can sell deng on his rebounding since golden state's worst in the league. If nelly had the chance to put deng and maggette on the court together I think he'd take it.

  • i might just be on crack but this three team deal worked on espn's trade machine

    Bulls get
    Bosh PF
    Evans PF

    76ers get
    Hinrich
    Deng

    Raptors get
    Igudola
    Green
    THomas

    im on crack arent i? lol

  • In reply to FutureGM:

    I love the idea of the Bulls trading for Bosh, but I don't think that idea works for Philly. They need a PG, which they would get in Hinrich, but who is going to play SG for them? You just traded away Iguodala and Green.

    If the Bulls want Bosh via trade, they better work something out with Toronto and New Orleans.

    To Bulls: Chris Bosh and Sonny Weems
    To Raptors: David West, John Salmons and #1 Picks
    To Hornets: Tyrus Thomas and Jannero Pargo

    That is a much better trade idea.

    It gives everyone what they need, assuming Bosh wants out.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I think you might be on to something but i cant beleive the hornets would be that thrilled to have pargo back...if so why would they ever let him go? i would say we would have to give up kirk or deng but like i said your on to something

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    maybe we can trade for Gordon, we already know he play with Rose.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    The Ben Gordon ship has sailed on by. Let it go people.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    Bosh>Amare...I agree, but not by much. I think Amare and Boozer are probably most likely to come here with Bosh last. We have some connections with Boozer and Amare with all the trade rumors from last year...and i just see Bosh going to Miami or staying put. I would still trade for Amare...Noah,Rose,and Amare would give us the best chance to go after Wade.

  • In reply to ZombieKevie:

    From what Chad Ford says....he thinks its probably 50% chance that Amare gets traded by the deadline so thats where im coming from. Tonight is a big game since were going against Phoenix. Hopefully Deng,Tyrus,Salmons,Hinrich all play well.

  • This is the trade the Bulls need to make...Hinrich,Tyrus and next Years 1st Rounder FOR Kevin Martin and a fill in. Its pretty much a swap with money between Kirk and Martin plus you get rid of Tyrus. The 1st rounder is a throw in because the Bulls should be a solid team next year. Leaving that pick to be like in the 20's. Then this summer...forget about Wade and Bron, go after Amare,Bosh or Boozer.

    Rose, Pargo
    KMart, cheap FA or Draft Pick (Xavier Henry,Avery Bradley)
    Deng,James Johnson
    (Amare,Bosh,Boozer),Taj Gibson
    Noah, Cheap FA (Brendan Hayward)or Draft pick (Cole Aldrich,Monroe,Brackins,Pittman,Cousins)

    That team is a top 3 in the East and its young.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Assuming the Bulls make the playoffs, I think it would be better for them to trade down, say with Memphis, and get their bottom two 1st Rounds picks (Denver's and LAL's).

    I'd take E'Twaun Moore, assuming he goes pro, and possibly Gani Lawal. That would be a solid draft.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I could also see John Paxson going after Robbie Hummel. He's a cross between Mike Miller and Jason Kapono.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I wonder what shooter with a reasonable contract or expiring is out there? As for this summer I just hope the Bulls don't spend the money just to spend it. If Wade, Bosh, or Stoudemire won't come to Chicago there aren't a lot of guys out there I'd want to go max contract for. Also, with Derrick, Noah, Deng, and Taj(minus the foul trouble and injury) you have an excellent player and some good young talent. Maybe Johnson will be decent too(?!) So do you trade away Hinrich for a free up, and also watch a losing slide get you into a deep draft lottery? Last year's Evan Turner will be this year's Alec Burks - Colorado(though he's not as good as Turner, but will be a very good SG in the league). But like Turner, rather then get drafted at 13-25 he may wait until next year to see his stock rise to Lottoville. Of course if they do hit the jackpot with 2010 FA's a draft pick will probably be the last thing on their minds.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Since Dwyane Wade is coming to the Chicago Bulls next year anyway, the Bulls should just go get him at the trade-deadline.

    To Bulls: Dwayne Wade and Dorell Wright
    To Heat: Kevin Martin, Kirk Hinrich, James Johnson and #1 Picks
    To Kings: John Salmons, Mario Chalmers and Daequan Cook

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5399157

    It's not that bad. Everyone on that list has an unpredictable future with their current teams anyway and the stats are close.

    Of course, Miami probably won't trade DWADE, unless he says, "I'm going back home to Chicago."

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here's the new lineups:

    CHICAGO BULLS:

    PG - Rose, SG - Wade, SF - Deng, PF - Gibson (Bosh in July), C - Noah

    MIAMI HEAT:

    PG - Hinrich, SG - Martin, SF - QRICH/JOHNSON, PF - Beasley, C - O'Neal

    SACRAMENTO KINGS:

    PG - Evans/Chalmers, SG - Evans/Salmons, SF - Casspi/Noc, PF - Thompson, C - Hawes

    How about it? It's wishful thinking, I know. I was just having fun.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Like you said the only way the Heat trade Wade is if he says Im going to Chicago...and I highly doubt that is what he is going to do. If Im the Bulls Im going after either Kevin Martin or Amare. Do the Hinrich,Tyrus,2011 1st rounder for Martin or do a Deng,Tyrus,2011 1st rounder for Amare. If you lose Deng your alright because you can still find a quality SF anywhere. Your lineup would look like this going into 2010.

    Rose,Hinrich
    (Wade),Hinrich
    Cheap FA or Draft pick,James Johnson
    Amare,Taj
    Noah,Cheap FA or Draft pick

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The Kings don't need Tyrus Thomas. They already have Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes in their front-court. And with Dallas offering up Josh Howard for Kevin Martin, I can't see how they would go for Kirk Hinrich instead.

    I imagine the Bulls will only go for a inexpensive SG, like Nick Young out of Washington, in a trade, until they fully know Wade and Johnson are off the market.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The NBA is about having stars...and what better to have Noah,Amare and Rose trying to bring in Wade.It would be hard to say no to that team, his hometown and the money. Taj,James Johnson and Hinrich plus our 2010 draft pick should all be decent backups for a team like that.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    Bosh > Amar'e.

    And Bosh is more available than Amar'e. I would think.

  • Don't worry, the Bulls are going after DWade, not Joe Johnson.

  • The problem Miami has is all it's best players (Wade, O'Neal, Richardson and Haslem) are older and/or free-agents. The only exception might be Michael Beasley, but he is very inconsistent.

    The Bulls CLEARLY have the better core group.

  • Both you guys are trying to make James Johnson into something he is not. He's a SF, that's it. Granted, he shows sperts of athleticism, but he's not light enough to play SG or big enough to play PF.

    Unless the Bulls trade Deng, the best thing they could do for Johnson's development is trade him to a young team (Minnesota, New Jersey or Washington, if they have a FIRE SALE?), who needs a SF.

  • He is an assists getter. A guy who can really run the offense well and who can knock down the open J. The Thunder got him because they dont trust Westbrook down the stretch.

  • Let's say Gay walks this summer. Are their any realistic options at SF that are better than Deng and that Memphis can afford this summer? I think a front line of Randolph, Deng, and Gasol is very solid.

  • bring in amare and mike miller...do w.e deal besides moving rose and noah..

  • if we fail to land other FA's, then Joe Johnson it maybe for what ever price.....realizing that we let BG walk without replacement and a year later got a taller BG in Joe Johnson for a much more steeper price. Guess you cant teach height!

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