Derrick Rose dominates Wizards; hits game winner; lifts Bulls to 2 OT win

The Bulls may have required 2OT to beat the hapless Wizards, but they got the win.   Largely due to Derrick Rose's career high 37 points and first game winning shot [though it wasn't a buzzer beater].   Yeah, he took a lot of shots to get his points, and yeah he needs to improve his efficiency, but on a night where the Bulls needed a win, Derrick delivered in the clutch.

At 18-20, the Bulls aren't an elite team, but they do have plenty of margin for error to make the playoffs in the east if they have a really poor trip.   At this point, even two wins on the trip would put them in great position going forward when the schedule softens again afterwards.   That's right, prepare yourself for the worst on this road trip and when you're panicking remember that they can climb back out of the hole again.

As for the game, I only saw the two OT periods, so it's hard to give much of an analysis of the rest of the players and the rest of the game.  I can only comment on how important this was to the Bulls playoff hopes, and how happy I was to see Rose get the game winner monkey off his back. 

Hopefully a good sign for both those things going forward.


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  • It was nice to see Deng playing the 4 during those overtimes cause Tyrus and Gibson were invisible in this game....

    Now after watching that game would you still trade Kirk, Tyrus, Brad, etc. for Caron, Foye, or Haywood?

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Gibson wasn't invisible, but Thomas sure was. So was Pargo and Johnson for that matter. Time for some trades!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    You know what? You're right, we do need to make at least one trade. MrHappy, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you've been traded to the Phoenix Suns' fans for an old deflated basketball, one of Steve Nash's stitches, and a fish taco. We were thrilled when they agreed to the fish taco.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    The Bulls clearly need some bench depth. They are getting NOTHING from Thomas, Pargo and Johnson. I certainly John Paxson and Gar Forman make another Salmons and Miller type trade.

    Again, I wouldn't mind giving up Thomas, Johnson and even a 1st Round pick (#15 or lower) for Young and Haywood. That would give the Bulls plenty of bench depth to make some noise in the playoffs this year, as well as set them up for free-agency this summer.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why exactly are the Wizards "dying' to get rid of Haywood.

    He is a legitimate NBA center, who totally produces everytime that we see him. They have no other legitimate center.

    I would trade Thomas straight up for him, but not Noah.

    Salmons would work for the Bulls but not for the wizards unless they move Butler. Same with Deng and the Bulls aren't trading Deng for Haywood.

    that leaves Hinrich, but the Wizards are not looking to add contracts, so why do they take him, unless they lose Arena's contract permanently.

    If the Bulls make a move with the Wiz, and I don't believe that there are any discusions, they should try to include JaVale McGee, even though he is out with an injury.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Ever notice how some commenters make the same EXACT comments or trade proposals after EVERY Bulls game or blog post. I mean VERBATIM! I find that remarkable and puzzling at the same time.

    Bulls played a great game even though I had to listen to it online. Definitely fascinating stuff. Would have loved to see it play out on TV.

    I want to give some well-deserved props to VDN. He's got the Bulls playing inspired basketball and competing for 48 mins a game. They're not perfect but they're definitely improving and playing with more confidence, particularly Rose. I don't know if anyone's noticed but he's now avg. 19 ppg and 6 apg. About a month ago he was around 15 ppg / 5.2 apg and is now the team's leading scorer and playmaker. The loud calls for VDN's head and the subsequent adjustments he's made have really rallied and inspired the team as a whole. They're 8-3 since Kirk and Taj were put in the starting lineup which coincides with Tyrus' return from injury. Though Tyrus isn't playing with the same firepower he started back with, his energy and presence has had a positive effect on the team. We tear VDN down with relish when the Bulls are playing poorly. It's time he gets some props when they're playing well.

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    Calling out players and coming up with trade ideas is called FEEDBACK. Isn't that what fan blogs are for?

  • In reply to jamatokwu:

    I would make that deal but I doubt Wizards would. They are looking to deal but bigger guys like Jamison and Butler and crap guys like Mike James.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Derrick is still so young. And the Bulls by no means had the post player or great offensive plays to get him really good looks on some of his game winning attempts. Though he has missed some open one's no doubt. I don't know if he has the mentality to be the game winning shot guy all the time, but I do know he can be an offensive machine on many nights especially in the second half to get us to that situation. I wonder what Bosh's record is in game winning situations? I know D-Wade has shut the door on more people then a homeowner plagued by solicitors.

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    In reply to joeacook3:

    Great game for Derrick. He's really beginning to recognize when he's got to put this team on his back. I gotta say, I really hope he makes the all-star squad because he goes for 40+ in this game if he knows the refs have his back. I'm going look to see if Derrick's scoring becomes consistently higher in the 2nd game of back to backs the rest of the year.

    Bullet points on VDN

    1) it would be good to see pargo get a stretch of play in the 1st half in a back and forth game like this

    2) end of first OT he tried the misdirection play to get Miller at the top of the 3 pt arc, same play as against denver. they had it scouted and busted it up

    3) it took until OT for the Bulls to make an adjustment on Jamison. Luol covered him like a second jersey (if antoine goes to indochina...) and he got nada in OT

    Overall, he and the whole crew did a good job. This Wizards team has been a matchup nightmare for us for a long time and they usually hand us a loss no matter what the records are.

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    There has to be a positive trade for the Bulls out there somewhere.

    Bullet Points:

    - Tyrus Thomas needs to go.
    - James Johnson needs to go.
    - Jannero Pargo needs to go.

    The Bulls can't be effective in the playoffs or possibly even make the playoffs with Thomas, Johnson and Pargo giving this team NOTHING off the bench, unless you count their CHEERLEADING SKILLS.

    Let's go John Paxson. Make a trade already!!!

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    Future All-Stars?

    How could Derrick Rose not be selected to the All-Star, given the way he has been playing over the last month and a half? He deserves a spot on that team.

    I'm not sure Noah will get picked, but he is certainly playing at an All-Star level as well. I believe that was his 20th double-double of the season yesterday. That's outstanding. If he doesn't make it to the All-Star team, then he damn well better win the "Most-Improved Player" Award.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    i been said that....gilberts suspended and ray allen, allen iverson and vince carter dont deserve to be there.. rajon and derrick deserves to be there..and derrick deserves to start next to dwyane in dallas

  • Despite the need for 10 extra minutes for a victory, the Bulls are sharper and more fluid.

  • I know if the Bulls get rid of Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson and their #1 Pick for Brendan Haywood and Nick Young, they would be deeper off the bench and better off cap wise for 2010.

  • Did anybody see the Northwestern vs. Purdue game?

    My boy, E'Twaun Moore (24 points and 9-9 from the FT-line) looked good and so did Robbie Hummel (20 points) in defeat. Congrats Wildcats.

    More importantly, guess who was at the game tonight? That would be John Paxson, VP of Basketball Operations for the Chicago Bulls. That may just be a sign that he is scouting those two guys.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I was thinking the Bulls could trade down in the draft, say with Memphis, and pick up two late 1st round picks (the Nuggets and the Lakers picks, owned by Memphis) or early 2nd round picks and probably nab both those guys.

  • There is sense in getting rid of those guys. They aren't producing.

    If they could get Nick Young and Brendan Haywood for those guys, even if that means giving up their mid-1st Round pick to do it, I say go for it.

    That trades makes the Bulls deeper this season and allows them to go after a top free-agent in July.

    Haywood expires at the end of the year and Young is only making $2.7 I think. Getting rid of Ty Thomas, James Johnson and the #1 Pick gives the Bulls the ability to offer a MAX contract.

  • Doug you couldnt be more right there's no need to rush and trade them because the likely hood is that you ruin your cap space for the off-season and get the same crap in return. It might be impossible but if you could get an expiring contract for kirk that would do wonders for us in july.

  • In reply to FutureGM:

    Actually Doug couldn't be more wrong.

    He's letting his severe MAN-CRUSH for James Johnson fog up his mind. Tyrus Thomas, Jannero Pargo and James Johnson are NOT PRODUCING.

    Getting Haywood and Young for two or three of those guys WOULD NOT HURT the Bulls salary cap space for 2010.

    Granted, they would probably have to dump their 1st Round Pick too, but who cares, if it means the 5th seed. That pick would be in the low teens, if not the twenties.

    The Bulls can't expect to be successful in the playoffs or even make the playoffs with only 7 guys producing. They just can't, especially when the last two of the 7 are Salmons and Miller, who have been very inconsistent this year.

    The Bulls need to make a trade or trades!!!

  • I hate how people are saying it was a buzzer beater. It wasnt. He hit our last shot but it wasnt at the buzzer.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Let's just call it a game-winner.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:


    Is James Johnson better than Nick Young? No.

    Is Jannero Pargo better than Nick Young? No.

    Is Tyrus Thomas better than Brendan Haywood? No.

    That would be an excellant trade for the Bulls to make.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    On top of that, getting Nick Young (or some other young SG) would give the Bulls some depth at that position just in case they can't get DWADE or Joe Johnson in July.

    I could live with Hinrich and Young at SG.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    After acquiring Nick Young, let's trade for OJ Mayo and bring in Daniel Hackett as FA. Then, bring TIm Floyd to replace VDN.

  • In reply to boogernights:


    However, I'm just looking at what the Bulls need to win this year. They need a SG and a veteran PF. Washington is a good place to look for both.

    Young and Haywood would make the Bulls deeper and better this year and still give them enough cap space to land a top free-agent in the summer.

    Don't Bulls fans, on here, want them to make the playoffs this year? It's going to be hard to do that when they are getting ZERO production from Johnson, Pargo and Thomas.

    A trade of some sort needs to be made. Getting Nick Young and Brendan Hayood would be a quality trade for the Bulls, if they could pull it off.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    we dont have a bad team so why does mr happy always wanna blow it up?...i dont know..we have a second round team and a 5th or 6th seed type of team..derrick,loul and joakim have been playing big this season and honestly all are exceeding or at the level we thought and wish they would be at.except derrick but he been found his game for a while now and has been tearing it up forever lately..bright spots now..taj, hinrich's new found jumpshot or just out of his routinely long ass slumps and salmons finally being put in a position to win(6th man sf/sg combo).. vinny does need to go at the end of the season but let him stay til the end just dont feel sorry for him he should still go..but honestly doug rose,bosh,noah and deng would make us a contending team with a good coach and deep team..chris bosh may cost alot..but honestly if we can get him to team with our trio core and potiential second round team already and it would make us have strong 4 and with defense,shooting,and heart surrounding them as a supporting cast with a light it up 6thman we can be in the championships honestly..we dont need wade to sell tickets..we dont need lebron to try to dance and get attention like a baby..we need a fit,we need a team..tell me the amount of rings lebron,wade and all the top players have.. probably a total of what 2 or 1..its embrassing how everyone says we need market guy when we need team and depth and a strong core..and rose,bosh,noah and deng make a hell of a core..he's our top priority and wade and lebron shouldnt even be talked about with us..truthfully...they make all star teams..not championship ones..period..besides the one year wade won it with a top miami team...bosh isnt as impactful as lebron and wade..but he isnt no second fiddle player and we all know put his 23 & 11 into our team and we would probably contend for the top 2 seeds..

    sg-defends best player and 3point shooter(pietrus,battier,ariza etc

    barbosa(2010 free agent?)
    2010 free agent(??)
    2010 free agent(??)
    omer asik
    2010 free agent(??)
    2010 free agent(??)

    byron scott (or if a better coach gets loose go after them but take best available / best fit)- head coach ... there you go 2010

  • James Johnson is not better than Nick Young. And he certainly won't be better than him next season either.

    I want the Bulls to win now and down the line. They need a SG and a veteran PF this year and cap space for next year.

    That trade gives them both.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    doug its ok he just doesnt like him..jj can be better than nick..he isnt that talented and far ahead

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Umm my trade above is PERFECT! It gives the team DEPTH. Right now the blazers need some guys who can fill in for their injured guys and im pretty sure tyrus would be nice for them down the stretch. And they have 4 point guards! They gotta cut somebody loose!!! Bayless would be a nice back up to rose too.

    As for the Nets, they said everyone is available except Brook Lopez, so why not see if you can snag Yi and CD-R. Ever since yi has come off that injury he has become a BEAST!! If we acquired those guys we could go big or small. Maybe we could have Rose,deng,Yi,Noah, and Boone or Miller on the court at the same time. Even if they don't perform well, they won't be back next year aways cause i think they have team options i believe....but anyways THIS TRADE WILL GO DOWN AT THE DEADLINE GUARANTEE!!!! POW!!

  • I agree.

    However, I want them in the the playoffs this year. They are getting ZERO or LIMITTED production from Johnson, Pargo and Thomas.

    The Bulls need to strengthen their bench this year, while still creating cap space for July and free-agency.

    My trade idea does that with Washington does that. So, does my trade idea with the Clippers. Of course, I would LOVE to see my trade idea with Toronto and New Orleans go down, so they land Chris Bosh.

    Either way, the Bulls need to make trades.

  • Nick Young does not suck. Your boy, James Johnson, sucks. He nothing but a male CHEERLEADER sitting on the Bulls bench.

    Nick Young has had some nice games in the NBA, including last year against the Bulls.

    Stop kissing your boy's ASS and take a look at what the Bulls needs are. They need a SG and a veteran PF.

  • PF - Gibson/Miller
    C - Noah/Haywood

    That's a deep and productive front-line, especially considering Ty Thomas and James Johnson SUCK as basketball players.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Futhermore, the draft is not loaded. It is heavy in big-man, but once you get past the top 16 picks, I'm not sure what is there.

  • I agree Hinrich is probably the better player, but Young can still play basketball. He's had some pretty nice games in the NBA.

    This upcoming draft and the free-agent market is not Shooting Guard heavy, unless the Bulls find themselves in the LOTTERY, God forbid.

    Assuming they can't land Wade or Johnson, I would rather have a Hinrich and Young combination at SG, then Hinrich and Pargo. Salmons is a SF.

  • I wonder who John Paxson was more impressed with last night, E'Twaun Moore or Robbie Hummel?

    E'Twaun Moore is instant offense. At one stretch he scored 12 points in a row for Purdue, including two AND-1's to tie the game. I would take this kid over Pargo, right now.


    I really don't get Doug's love affair and/or CRUSH with James Johnson. How he could want him on the Bulls over Nick Young is beyond me?

    Just to do a little comparision, Nick Young his rookie year (22 years old) had 26 games where he scored in double-figures, including a game where he put 27 points on Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.

    Now, Doug's CRUSH, James Johnson, so far during his rookie year (22 years old) has had 2 games where he has scored in double-figures. Not coincidentally, he got into double-figures during GARBAGE TIME, where the both those games where already decided.

    The player that SUCKS is Doug's CRUSH, not Nick Young.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Your love affair with Nick Young is even more assinine than the NERF boy's over at DBagabull's love affair with Ben Gordon, at least he can start for a crappy team, or 2.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Doug why are you even entertaining Mr. Happy, he is obviously not listening to one thing you have said. He just keeps repeating the same things.

    Mr. Happy- Haywood and Nick Young suck, Doug isn't saying that because of his man crush, please stop wasting everyone's time, you didn't even adjust your trades after people shut it down.

    And just stop saying it makes more cap space for next year when it is a FACT that it doesn't!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Thomas is obviously not panning out, but Johnson is a little used rookie and Pargo shouldn't even see the floor unless we have injuries.

    Deng and Hinrich are this team's main problems, they are making all of the money. And I disagree on Deng, he still sucks.

  • I just heard a rumor that both Nick Young and Haywood slapped a restraining order on Mr. Happy. They are worried he's stalking them.

  • In reply to rorypshea:

    You heard wrong.

    The rumor is Doug Thonus asked James Johnson to be his Valentine...haha. He's got a serious MAN-CRUSH oh him and/or love affair going, if he thinks James Johnson is a better basketball player than Nick Young.

  • In reply to rorypshea:


    The Bulls thought that John Salmons could replace BG7 at SG. They also picked James Johnson thinking he could back-up Luol Deng.

    Those two things have been proven wrong.

    Now that VDN has seen the light moved John Salmons to the bench to back-up Luol Deng and moved Kirk Hinrich into the starting lineup to be the starting SG, that leaves the Bulls with an unbalanced roster.

    The Bulls essentially have three SF's (Deng, Salmons and Johnson) and only one SG (Hinrich, who is undersized). That's a problem.

    It would be so much better for their success and roster balance, if they could trade Doug's MAN-CRUSH, James Johnson, for a younger SG, who could back up Hinrich and actually produce off the bench.

    I don't care if it's Nick Young, Terrence Williams, CDR, Jermaine Taylor, Wayne Ellington, Sam Young, Chase Budinger, Mardy Collins or somebody I haven't thought of yet.

    I just know that before the trade-deadline passes, the Bulls need to add another SG to their roster and get rid of one of their SF's, preferrably Doug's MAN-CRUSH, James Johnson.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    first of all....not every roster move will pan out..gordon wasnt scoring 40 points a night people..we dont miss his scoring..we miss his outside ability.. deng picked up gordons scoring and rose has raised his level..gordon isnt a allstar people..we only miss his range and name for a tradable package..second of all...terrance williams cant play for a 3 win team with injuries,chase budinger isnt leaving houston,cdr is complainin about his role and isnt a star to do so and wouldnt fit next to rose because him and loul cant play together,& jermaine taylor and mardy collins? honestly?

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    oh and third of all..the bulls got better than what you think your only pointing out the negatives like l.a and boston doesnt have any..loul is playing better than we thought,joakim is playing better than we couldve imagined,taj was a perfect steal that saved our draft,rose didnt get injuried badly,loul is healthy,we set oursleves up for 2010 or any changes,we played resilant and hard under a enexperienced coach and we weather a tough sched..we lost games we shoulve won and we played better than our record actually proud of them now

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I have acknowledged the good things too. I have mentioned plenty of times how well Rose, Deng and Noah are playing. I have also pointed out the Gibson has been a pleasant surprise.

    That being said, the Bulls are still under .500 and barely holding onto the 8th spot in the Eastern Conference.

    Now, as MEDIOCRE as the Eastern Conference is, 5-12, if the Bulls would just make a few TWEAKS to the roster (add a SG and a veteran big), then I can easily see them grabbing the 5th seed.

    That would be a nice improvement from the last year when they got the 7th seed.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    I like the thought of trading with NJ. I just don't think it would be CDR, but TWILL. He doesn't seem happy there.

    Outside of that, I'm beginning to think that Washington and possibly the Clippers might be the Bulls best trade partners.

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    The Bulls don't have a TRUE Shooting Guard on the roster. On the otherhand, they have three Small Forwards. That's not a good thing.

    They need to get rid of a Small Forward (James Johnson) and add a younger Shooting Guard. That would balance out their roster better.

    For examle:

    SG - Hinrich/Young
    SF - Deng/Salmons

    That would be better then extending Hinrich's minutes and playing Salmons out of position.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Also, Terrence Williams can play. Last I checked, he's averaging 8ppg for New Jersey among other things. That's more than I can say for James Johnson.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Dude, shut the **** up. Jesus Christ you're annoying.

  • Bulls Get:
    Jerryd Bayless (or steve blake)
    Yi Jianlian
    Josh Boone
    Chris Douglas Roberts

    Blazers Get:
    Tyrus Thomas

    Nets Get:
    John Salmons
    Jannero Pargo
    Aaron Gray

  • In reply to joeacook3:

    tat wouldnt ever happend..if we ever get a chance at bayless for tyrus it wouldve been done..blazers wouldnt wanna trade or include bayless if it brought them amare..they got extremly high hopes for him..but if we ever did draft him he has to be a sixth man or part of a package for bosh..but cdr is a bad fit because loul and cdr both have limited range

  • In reply to Yunqn:

    trade for not draft*

  • How sad that the high hopes for Tyrus Thomas in summer are totally gone in winter.

    As for James Johnson, he's a bit disappointing. But if we remember the awkward Noah of 3 years ago let's at least give James Johnson 2 seasons to develop.

  • Doug you are absolutely right, despite Johnson pretty much being a useless waste product so far, I would not trade him straight up for Nick Young, with or without considering the salary cap consequences.

  • I would have to disagree with you the Haywood is a center that we don't need. Miller will be gone next season, and we will need another solid center.

    Haywood finally seems to be coming into his own, he is better than Miller, especially going forward.

    Additionally Noah, is undersized to be a true full time center. Haywodd could play against the true centers in the league and Noah could slide over to the power forward slot.

    Regardless, who we add this offseason, we still need a nice 3 man rotation at the 4 and 5. Haywood would seem to be a nice addition, and not an overly expensive one.

    thomas for Haywood straight up, get'er done, Doug.

  • Doug, that might be a bit harsh, but I don't blame you, Mr. Happy must be getting to you.

    Judging by the results so far, Hinrich doesn't really suck at SG, at least so far. The Bulls have played far better since he became a starter, and so has Hinrich.

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