Bulls passed on Stoudemire last year and other trade rumors

Per KC Johnson:

The Bulls could've traded for Stoudemire last season, but opted not
to. He's certainly on their radar and discussions between now and the
Feb. 18 trade deadline will take place. However, to label him the
Bulls' top priority is overstating matters.

Mike Mcgraw adds:

In the same scenario last year, Phoenix was interested
in a package of Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha for Stoudemire but
also wanted multiple first-round picks, according to a league source,
and the Bulls passed.

A source confirmed the Bulls have had discussions with
the Lakers about Hinrich, most likely for Adam Morrison and Sasha
Vujacic, but nothing is imminent.

Salmons' contract is relatively low risk. He's owed
$6.7 million next season and has an option to terminate the final year
of his deal, so he might turn out to be an expiring contract anyway.

It's possible the Bulls could resurrect the potential
deal sending Salmons, Brad Miller and Jerome James to Houston for Tracy
McGrady and filler before the deadline.

By trading either guard before the deadline, the Bulls
could have around $20 million to spend on free agents this summer and
wouldn't have to sweat Salmons' decision of whether or not to opt out
of his contract.

So first, the Bulls passed on Amare for multiple 1sts, Tyrus and Thabo.   We would have also had to have moved Gooden in that deal to match salary, so you couldn't do the Noc/Gooden for Brad/Salmons swap anymore which Sacramento only did to save money on Gooden vs Miller.  We also wouldn't have Taj Gibson and James Johnson [Taj was acquired for Thabo, Johnson would have been the pick traded].

So now the Bulls roster would have been something like this:
Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Amare, Noah, Noc, minimum salary guys

If we could have kept Gordon and added him to the roster and used the MLE on a 3rd big man, that team would have be contender good.   Of course, at this point, Gordon was probably going to leave no matter what, so that may not be entirely feasible.

Even without Gordon, that team looks like it's just a couple pieces away from contending, and not star player type pieces, but role player type pieces.   If the Bulls turn their present situation into something better, I'll be fairly impressed.

As for the other trade rumors, who knows, I think trading those three guys for McGrady would hurt the team quite a bit this year unless the Bulls get a viable big man back to replace Miller.   They only have three big men who can play on the roster right now, and two of them are dealing with plantar fascitiis.  

The Hinrich deal also hurts the team in the short run, and has only a quasi-gain for the Bulls, I mean they're only saving about 3.5 million on the cap next year, so it doesn't open up that much room, and it would hurt the team this year and possibly make them less desirable in the summer due to a worse core. 

It does free up all the money in 2011, but we won't need the money freed up then, so that's only a quasi-gain from a financial planning perspective.


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  • I think hinrich is gonna be here until his contract runs out, just because the organization values him so much...just my opinion.

  • I think hinrich is gonna be here until his contract runs out, just because the organization values him so much...just my opinion.

  • Lots of juicy details. Very exciting to see the Bulls are looking reasonably aggressive in 2010 friendly trades. I would be a bit more excited about the Lakers deal if a higher percentage of the money coming back would be expiring. I don't mind it in theory--lose some talent, gain some cap, and at least bring back bench depth for this season--but I might want to hold out for something that is all or at least mostly expiring. And as strange as it sounds. the Bulls have a little leverage here with the Lakers. They are the ones who (sort of) "need" Kirk--there not just some team willing to take his deal.

  • The ONLY WAY the Bulls should trade Hinrich or Salmons is if they can get Chris Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I would trade Salmons for a pair of crusty boxers.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Wow i didnt know that the impact of trading kirk would be that low. I totally see Kirk as an important sixth or seventh man on a championchip team dedicated to defense. If we could just get a viable 1 option to complement derrick, loul and joakim this team isnt very far away from competing...I honestly think if you take lebron off the cavs our roster is better than theirs. I just hope Mr. James agrees in July.

  • From Steve Kyler of Hoopsworld:

    The Bulls And Hinrich: The Chicago Bulls have been linked to a number of trade scenarios from major transactions involving Chris Bosh and Amar'e Stoudemire to minor deals like the one triggered this week landing the Bulls Devin Brown for Aaron Gray.

    The Bulls have not been terrible in January, going 8-5 so far in the month including wins over Orlando, Boston, Phoenix, Houston and San Antonio. Talk of blowing up the team may be a bit premature as the Bulls currently sit in the eighth seed in the Eastern Conference playoff picture.

    The Bulls are shopping for deals and would likely make a deal to grab a marquee-level star like Bosh or Stoudemire, but they are not being as aggressive on the trade front as you might think.

    League sources said yesterday Chicago has some very attractive trade assets like the expiring contracts of Jerome James and Brad Miller, but are not offering 'great deals' in their talks with teams. Most of the Bulls' offers include one or the other - rarely both - and most offers have the Bulls getting more value than they send

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Well, whether buyers or sellers they be, I think we know the m.o. by now. We have several weeks. The Bulls are going to hold onto their chips but won't be afraid to cash them in at the very last minute as they have the last few deadlines. You can afford to be a bit shrewd at this stage.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    No way we gift wrap Kirk for the Lakers. This would kill any playoff chances as Sasha and Adam are not NBA players.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Great blog by Sam Smith on how good Kirk has been since he came back from his thumb injury.


  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bulls did not say no to Stoudemire...The Suns changed their minds. Alvin Gentry became the coach and didnt want to trade STAT.The Bulls had the offer on the table waiting...Suns said no. Bulls would do that trade in a heartbeat. And they still should. Just because we played a couple good games doesnt mean we are set. We need to trade for Stat using Salmons or Hinrich or Deng. Once you get their salaries out of here...then the Bulls have even more money for the summer of 2010. The Bulls have a bunch of role players/pieces that we should trade for Stars. Stars get you places not role players.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Here's an honest question for everyone to ponder.

    "Could Kirk Hinrich be the Joe Dumars to Derrick Rose's Isiah Thomas?"

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Kirk to me is a great bench player or trading piece. I dont see him as a starting 2 guard. Our backcourt is tiny.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    There seems to be alot of PF's or BIGS available in this upcoming draft, assuming alot of under-classmen go pro.

    If that is the case, I could see the Bulls targeting Dwayne Wade in free-agency and then drafting a PF, like Patrick Patterson, Gani Lawal or Craig Brackins.

    Just looking at the past, it's not like the Bulls need a superstar at PF or C to win an NBA championship.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Over the last like 20 years...you almost needed to have a star PF or star Center to make it anywhere in this league. Jordan and Pip and Isiah and Joe were like the only teams to make it to the championship with out a very good bigman. Detroit had like 4 all stars on their team when they won it last (Billups,Hamilton,Wallace and B Wallace. In years past...its all been about ,Kareem,Shaq,Duncan,Hakeem,Ewing,Gasol,Garnett and even PF's like Kemp,Barkley,Malone just a name a few. And most of those teams had a excellent PG or SG to go with them. Shaq,Penny...Shaq,Kobe..Shaq,Wade..Duncan,Parker...Hakeem,Clyde...KG,Pierce,Allen...Magic,Kareem....Payton,Kemp...Stockton,Malone. The Bulls could do that if they can land another bigman to pair next to Rose.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The Bulls didn't have a star PF and they won 6 titles. Granted, they are the exception to the rule, but it is possible to do, if they were to land a star SG, like Wade.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    wade & rose would be great..but thats only if we had a three point shooting pf and sf.. other than that..you gotta look at the other bulls team for what it was...a perfect fit...each piece went with each other..and people never realized how dominat at most times were our defense..people at like kobe is a good defender..you could nearly double or triple all his stats and film to get to micheals game..it was fit/talent..not big guy or little guy..talent/fit.. three point shooter/slasher..passing point/scoring big..coach who can control a team/players who dont feel bigger than life..its about fit/talent..

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Does anybody think this trade could happen?

    To Bulls: Travis Outlaw and Juwan Howard
    To Blazers: Tyrus Thomas

    With the Blazers losing both their Centers to injury, I'm thinking they could play Aldridge at Center and Thomas at PF. The Bulls have obviously demoted Ty Thomas to the bench, so getting some more bench depth and expiring contracts could be a good thing.

    It's just a thought.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    How did you know that the Bulls refused to trade for Garnett? We all know McHale was out to help the Celtics.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Bulls turned it down from what i remember. We as Bulls fans need to stop over valueing our players. Hinrich is solid yes...but he isnt a keeper. NO WAY. The only keepers on this team is Noah and Rose. I would trade anybody else. Look at the Celtics...They have 3 great players and a bunch of role players. Rondo has immerged greatly since playing with those All Star players. If im the Bulls, I would try to pattern my team after them. Get a couple stars and surround with role players/cheap FA's and draft picks.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    The 2010 free-agency bonanza is UNPREDICTABLE.

    There is no guarantee the Bulls will land Wade, Johnson, Bosh, Amar'e or LBJ to name a few. Unless they can get Chris Bosh in a trade, there is no need to MESS UP a run at the playoffs this season.

    Afterall, they could get rid of Ty Thomas, James Johnson and their #1 Pick and be right there for a max free-agent. I would rather see them do that in the summer, then throw this season away by trading two guys (Hinrich and Salmons) that are helping them win this year.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    the bulls never did pass on stoudemire..there was a coaching change and gentry said he wanted to give it a shot with those pieces and run again..the bulls said it was ok once the deal was put off because amare then came out and said he wanted a max contract..but the way everything is playing out..amare is our best 2010 option...unless we win 55 games or w.e..bosh,wade and lebron are reaches unless we make a big change after the season by removing long term contracts then convincing one to convince the other to come and play with rose and noah...i would do w.e it takes to get amare right now because his contract is an expiring anyway..and if rose keeps up the jersey sells and we win 55 or more and sneak into the second round..lebron isnt at all a reach at all anymore.. and wade might wanna play for us more than us wanting him..

  • Do you know that for a fact? I think Kevin McHale might have wanted to deal with Boston, if you know what I mean.

    Kirk, not Kurt, is a keeper, unless the Bulls can get Chris Bosh by trading him.

  • Meh, at this point he's a glue guy, and one who can have a solid offensive night while very rarely having the guy he's guarding explode on him. And he guards the best of them, so that's something.

    Overpaid for what he does? Sure, but less so each year, and he's done more in the past and likely will in the future.

    If the Bulls do trade him, they'd better have a plan to replace his defense.

    I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't live out his contract, but it wouldn't shock me if he lived out his career here, either. If he does make it through this contract, it's pretty clear he won't be a major piece in any team's run. He might see this as his best shot at contributing to a winner as a role player.

  • Hell no! Hinrich should never be compared to a HOFer!

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