Joe Johnson is the Bulls consolation prize?

I'm guessing this guy knows less than my left toe about what's going on with the Bulls, so I'm not going to read too much into it, but I still found it interesting that he says the Bulls consolation prize is rip off my testicles and force me to eat them.  By that, I mean, sign Joe Johnson.

the Bulls are cap-wise and win-foolish as they wait for the chance to lavish riches on an elite 2010 free agent. His name, according to folklore confirmed by a person with knowledge of the team's plans, is Chicago native Dwyane Wade. The consolation prize would be Joe Johnson -- the Bulls have specialized in consolation prizes since Jackson's dynasty was broken up.

Let's be clear.  Joe Johnson just rejected a 15 million dollar a year contract.  He's only marginally better than Ben Gordon, and he's better in ways that aren't real useful when he's playing next to Derrick Rose.   He's a fine player.  I like Joe Johnson.  I would want Joe Johnson on my team.  

I would not want Joe Johnson on my team for 6 million dollars per year more than Ben Gordon which is what we'll be doing after telling Gordon go go F himself when he wanted to sign for 6/54 and signing Joe Johnson for 5/75 or something similarly ridiculous next summer.

For all of his glorious height, the guy barely out rebounds Gordon and isn't a great defender either.  He works in isolation more so than just about any guard in the league, so those complaining Gordon went one on one too much ought to love Johnson [not really so much].

He scores less efficiently, but a bit more consistently which is a good thing.   Oh yeah, he's also three years older than Gordon, and he'll likely be Ray Allen by the end of his deal.   A guy who's still talented, but no team in their right mind would pay him as much as he's making if they had a mulligan on that choice.

I'm not trying to tell you Joe Johnson sucks.  He doesn't suck.  If I had one year, and I was starting a team from scratch and this was a draft then I would take Joe Johnson ahead of Ben Gordon.   However, that's not what's happening.   We'd have to pay him a crapload more money then we could have signed Gordon for, and we'd have to lock him up through a bunch of past his prime years.

Also, don't get me wrong, Joe Johnson would make this team much better.   The problem is, since the Bulls are too cheap to go into the luxury tax, he won't make them better by nearly enough to win a title.    You're not going to win a title with Deng making around 13 million a year, Johnson making 15, and then trying to fill out the rest of the roster with pieces.   Especially once Noah/rose require extensions.

If we sign Johnson, I'll get on the bandwagon to enjoy the improvement he brings and hope for the best, but it may be the nail in the coffin of the Bulls championship hopes for the next few seasons barring a drastic change in the Bulls spending policy [in which case, bring on Joe Johnson!]

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  • chad ford says a lot of things and most of them arent true.

  • I don't know if anybody saw NBA FASTBREAK last night, but Jamal Mashburn seems to think that DWADE is getting more and more disconncected with his teammates. In fact, he went on to say that he thinks DWADE is now leaning towards going to his hometown team, the Chicago Bulls, next summer. According to him, DWADE likes the Bulls' core of Rose, Deng and Noah.

    Ponder that for awhile.

    Maybe, all the talk DWADE is doing about the Heat organization and Pat Riley needing to step up is actually a built in excuse and/or an out for him to leave Miami. It makes sense, because it shifts the blame for his departure off his shoulders and onto that of the Miami Heat organization.

    Smart.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    2010 Chicago Bulls?

    PG - Rose, SG - Wade, SF - Deng, PF - Bosh, C - Noah

    Nice!!!

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    wake up happy, wake up!! dude...you were having another dream

  • In reply to djphillie:

    He is taking the Terrence Williams pills...It is making him drunk, lol

  • In reply to supercesto:

    What is James Johnson giving the Bulls? His bad play makes me want to drink. It makes perfect sense to move John Salmons to then bench, behind Luol Deng, and have TWILL as the starting SG with Hinrich backing him up.

    Like it or not, that trade makes sense.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Makes sense for the Bulls only. Not going to happen.

  • In reply to supercesto:

    Never mind that Paxson decided not to get into coaching and has made it clear that he's not interested in coaching or that he's taken on a new role in the organization because the daily grind of being a GM was taking its toll on him.

    I get that it would seem like a let down to only land Johnson after all this wriggling, but Johnson would improve the team, and it's important to have back up plans. If anything, it's interesting that Bulls fans emphasize Johnson as consolation over the real lead, Wade as first target.

    For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the Bulls will go all out to sign James, Wade and Bosh before Johnson, but I can't see any reason to say no to Johnson if those dreams don't come true.

  • In reply to supercesto:

    I dont understand the love for Bosh, what has this guy done in this league to deserve such cred? He cant lead teams to victories and he is ok with losing as long as his numbers are there. If this guy is the free agent we get we are screwed. I rather get Amare who is used to winning and who would look amazing next to Noah. Amare plays with passion something Bosh knows nothing about. As for Joe Johnson I dont think he is worth the max and he on this team wont be able to get us anywhere.

  • In reply to djphillie:

    Who remembers when I said John Paxson should take over for VDN, if he gets fired?

    Apparently, Phil Jackson thinks like me.

    http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/63446/20091216/jackson_tried_to_push_paxson_into_coaching/

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Apparently you didnt read the part where Paxson says he doesnt like to coach, its not him. Puck Phil Jackson anyway, he should never talk about us. He should worry about his $lut girlfriends team.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    The point is out there. Jackson, as well as myself, think Paxson could be a head coach. My point was, Reinsdorf should put Paxson in that role, so he can be held accoutable for the team he put together. Let him see up close and personal what he has and what changes he needs to make.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why should Paxson be faulted for moves he didn't even make. He got screwed by Reinsdorf as Paxson didn't want Wallace and he wanted to sign Gordon to 9/54

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Chris Bosh has played in 11 playoff games in 6 years in the league, does anyone see that as a problem? He is not a leader, he is not vocal and he is not the physical big we need.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Totally disagree.

    Bosh is a leader. Just listen to him speak and watch how he plays. He's not the problem in Toronto. It's his supporting cast and coaches.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    bosh hasnt been in situations where winning a lot is possible. name one of his teams that you believe should have gone further than they did. i dont think you can. and its weird you cite amare as a preferred big since bosh is a much better rebounder than amare. also, amare has never not had an all-star on his team, while bosh is still waiting for his first partnership with an all-star. getting bosh would be awesome.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Any chance we could get Jordan out of retirement?

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    NEW ROOKIE RANKINGS:

    Taj Gibson #9...way to go!!!

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkXV_ehVhXZ0w0i.jFTnvie8vLYF?slug=nba_com-rookie.rankings-20091216&prov=nba_com&type=lgns

    Where's James Johnson? Shouldn't he be doing that, not Taj?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If James Johnson got the playing time Taj gets...maybe.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Correction he is not a physical big and we dont need that.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Bosh is a 25 and 10 guy. The Bulls need that.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    The difference between Ben Gordon and Joe Johnson is also the chance to get LeBron, Wade, Bosh, etc. I mean, if you knew beforehand that you weren't going to get one of those guys, then yeah, keeping Gordon makes sense. But if someone said you have to pay $6 million a year more for the chance to swap Gordon for LeBron, well, that's a different question.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    LBJ will not leave Cleveland because he has unfinished buisness there unless he wins this year. I can see him doing a 3 yr extension and if he cant win in Cleveland he will than leave in 2013-2014. As for Wade why would he leave South Beach for the bitter cold of gangland Chicago (sorry folks lmao). Only ones who will be on the move is Bosh, Amare, JJ, and Boozer. Out of those guys Amare is the guy I want.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Don't forget about no state income tax in florida. Wade is going to Chicago. Bosh will probably join Wade in Miami. I see Amare going to NY and Boozer to NJ where he will be overpaid. Realistically, i think Bulls will end up with Joe Johnson, and be stuck in mediocrity and bad contracts. Genius on the part of Rein$dorf.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    BTW state income tax in illinois is 3%. sure, it's a substantial sum if we're talking millions, but honestly if those kind of economics were the only issue, the $$$ advantages for going to a large market would far outshadow those points. The NO State income tax thing counts, but not as much as some seem to think IMO

  • In reply to Seth:

    Yea, I was adding another reason to what newskoolbulls wrote. I don't think its the sole factor. It does play an important factor though, cuz players always want to keep more of their money, as much as they can. They already pay huge federal taxes, and other things like agent fees.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    The state income tax arguement is over-rated. These guys make so much money (on and off the court), tax doesn't matter.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    I also think there is a good chance that Noah will leave the Bulls. Either on his own or through a Bulls screw up.

    -He hates losing
    -He doesn't like Chicago weather - remember he commented on how everything was dead in chi compared to Florida.
    -Yesterday's comment about playing for the Lakers.

    Good chance he could bolt on his own.

  • In reply to charitystripe:

    I think Noah likes it in Chicago. Plus, he'll enjoy the winning after the Bulls get Wade and Bosh next year.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Lol, Wade + Bosh?
    What are you on? Bulls don't have money for that and even if they did, they wouldn't have enough to pay Noah next season.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    I think it's funny that a rumor would say that Wade apparently "likes Chicago's core of Deng, Rose, and Noah" and would place him here at 2010, yet at the same time, we'd probaby have to dump deng for an expiring to sign him to a max deal (since I feel like the chances of getting someone to take Hinrich for an expiring given his contract and cap considerations are pretty thin at this point).

    It's sad that the cavs, even after signing lebron to a max deal, would have a better chance money wise of pulling this off than we would.

    My gut says it would take some kind of miracle in the same league as the #1 pick in the draft for us to get any of these guys next year. Hope is a mechanism by which the NBA acquires $$$ from fans of bad franchises.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    They don't have to dump Deng. They could dump Hinrich and Salmons and then create room to sign both Wade and Bosh.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Why not?

    To OKC: Kirk Hinrich
    To Bulls: Etan Thomas and one of their back-up PG's.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They don't even have enough cap room for one max guy right now

  • In reply to djphillie:

    That dream could become a reality, if John Paxson and Gar Forman do their job. Wade and Bosh both have Chicago connections. So, it's not like they won't look at the Bulls' next summer. My hope is, the Bulls trade for Bosh and then sign Wade away from the Heat.

  • In reply to djphillie:

    Right now it is a dream. However, it's not like it can't become a reality. The possibility is there, if Paxson and Forman play their cards right.

  • Chicago is a great situation for Bosh. He might actually feel the same way. I don't know if people have caught this or not, but Chris Bosh is constantly wearing either a White Sox game cap or a Cubs designer cap. You can check his youtube videos or the recent highlight videos he did for NBA.com to see what I mean.

    Afterall, why wouldn't he want to play in Chicago? It's a great city and the young core is better. Not too mention, the WGN TV package, where he can get free national exposure for nearly 40 games has to be enticing.

    Chicago will definitely be in play for Chris Bosh's services come next summer.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    I'm still holding out hope for this trade.

    http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5326780

    To Bulls: Chris Bosh
    To Raptors: David West, John Salmons and a #1 Pick
    To Hornets: Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James and CASH

    It would be great, if the Bulls' management could pull it off.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    HUH?? Exactly why would anyone other than the Bulls agree to this?

  • so RPK, what if we get CB4? would we win 60+ games?

  • i do believe in dreams! that is my dream. I would rather hope, key word hope, to get wade and CB4! imagine that!

  • I don't know.

    It is possible that Wade is using the words he is, so he can create an escape without shouldering the blame from Heat fans.

  • Well there's also the theory that Lebron and Wade have clause were they automatically get 100 million from Nike just for doing endorsements

  • They won't have max unless cap is at least 53 million which is pretty risky to bet on considering ticket revenue is down 7.4 percent

  • You might as well just trade for Rip if your going to get Johnson

  • Why would Joe Johnson leave an Atlanta team that is really experience away from getting to the NBA Finals to join a team that may not win 35 games this season. That would be a big gamble for Chicago anyway. Also in regards to MrHappy's trade proposal that includes Salmons going to Toronto, it wouldnt happen baecause a few years ago Salmons personally refused a trade to Toronto. He probably would do so again.

  • Joe Johnson is not worth 10+ wins a season. I am still laughing at him turning down 15 mil a season. If Joe Johnson is the best we can do, then let's look at 2011 cuz 2010 is already over.

  • Why, when comments get taken down or don't get posted?

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