Is Noah a legit all-star candidate?

A lot has been made about Joakim Noah being left off the all-star ballot.   Clearly, Noah wasn't going to be voted in by fans regardless of his place on the ballot.   Shaq could be out for the season and draw more votes than any centers in the league this side of Yao Ming and Dwight Howard.   So ultimately, his place on the ballot is irrelevant.   However, does he deserve a trip to the all-star weekend?
Based on his present level of play; yes.   Noah is presently ranked 11th in PER among EC players with 200+ minutes, and he has the second highest PER of any center in the East.   He's leading the league in rebounding and has been one of the best shot blockers in the East as well.

He's been the clear leader of this Bulls team which, despite fan complaints, has exceeded expectations to start off the season.   People may look at his limitations, his potential, his ceiling, and say that Noah doesn't pass the smell test.   He wouldn't pass mine initially either.

However, when I look at the numbers, there's actually a fair case to be made for Noah.   In order to cement in his status as a legit contender for an all-star spot, he needs to do three things:

1) Play at a 20+ PER through the all-star game
- He needs the individual numbers to make him worthy

2) Have the Bulls play at a 48 win+ pace through the all star game and need to stay great defensively
- A defensive player needs to anchor a great defensive team and a winning team to be considered

3) Continue to be the best player on the Bulls
- You're not going to take the Bulls second best player without taking the best one first [at least most likely], so Noah has to be perceived as the best [or equal to the best] on the Bulls through that point

How likely is that group of three things?    I guess that's up to each individual to answer.   I do think the defense will remain excellent, but I don't know if the team record will.   I do think Noah will continue to play well, but can he keep a PER over 20?   I think Noah should remain among the best players on the team, so he might be perceived as an equal part of what they're doing.

All in all, I don't think he'll make it no matter what he does, but I think he could get some votes from the coaches. Ben Wallace has made the game several times with even less offense and similar numbers otherwise.


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  • I don't know about that, but I like how he is playing. If anything, he could be a coach's pick for the team. The guy who I think is a legit All-Star candidate is Luol Deng. Right now, his stats put him second behind LBJ as the best SF in the Eastern Conference.

  • Doug,

    I have a cap question for you.

    What's the policy on being able to keep their own free-agents? Can't they go over the cap to re-sign Salmons (if he opts out), Miller, Pargo, Gray and Hunter? I thought they could.

    So, if Salmons opts out, can they sign a max contract guy, say Dwyane Wade, then turn around and re-sign all their current free-agents, that I listed?

  • I wouldn't say that. He's playing pretty good. Of course, like Noah, he would mostl likely need to be a coach's pick.

  • I don't know if you answered this question before or not, but if Salmons opts out and they denounce Tyrus Thomas in order to give a max contract to Wade, how then do they fill out the remaining 7 roster spots?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They would have Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Johnson, Gibson and Wade under contract. They need 7 more guys.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Oops. I forgot about Noah. So, they would need to add 6 more guys. How do they do it?

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Step by step, explain to me how would the Bulls sign a max player, like Wade, and still have cap room to fill out the last 6 spots?

    Give me the additions and subtractions of that process, including their current guys, future draft picks and other free-agent signings. Thanks.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    If the cap is at $53.5 million...

    Staying: Rose, Hinrich, Deng, Noah, Johnson and Gibson

    Going: Thomas, Salmons, Miller, Pargo, James, Gray and Hunter

    Coming: A max contract player (Wade or Bosh per say for roughly $17 million), a few mininumum salary guys (roughly $5 million dollars worth), and a draft pick or two.

    That's possible, right?

  • In reply to MrHappy:


    Stephen Jackson just got traded.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    They may hurt the Bulls chances of getting Kelenna Azubuike. I always felt that he was the best back-up plan to DWADE.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Noah is clearly the second best center in the East. I view a guy like Bosh and Lopez as PF.

  • In reply to Newskoolbulls:

    Bosh is a PF, but I'm not sure about Lopez.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Can we please stop "denouncing" Tyrus. His fragile psyche cannot handle it.

  • In reply to MrHappy:

    Even as Noah's original and biggest Chicago fan, he is likely my favortie Bull, I am not sure that he is All-Star material.

    His style of play doesn't transfer to the All-Star game, and I think that factors into the All-Star selections once you get past the fan voting.

    If I am not mistaken, I think that Horace Grant made the game at least once, and it was like he wasn'nt even there, he barely played and no one cared.

    Regardless of his PER, as a baby double double guy(10-10, to 12-12)I don't see Noah or anyone else who plays like him making an All Star team.

    Arguing whether Noah deserves to be there based on merit is another debate altogether. He may well deserve to. However, a guy like Kendrik Perkins might deserve it over Noah, but no one really wants to see him on an All Star team either.

  • Explain cap holds again?

    They have 21.5 to spend - 17 for a max player = 4.5 left

    Do they spread that 4.5 to 6 guys?

  • How do they use 4.5 million for 6 players, including draft picks?

    21.5 to spend - 17 for a max player = 4.5 + 6 spots yet to fill...mmm


  • mid level exception, veterans exception? They are going to need more than the minimum to bring Asik over.

  • He a 7ft who plays a finesse game, he is def not a legit center.

  • Pretty much my point, did anyone(fans) really want to see him at the game. Plus Wallace was or had a much better reputation as a physical defender.

    Don't get me wrong, I love Noah and the way that he plays, I just don't see that style getting him to an AllStar game unless he gets his numbers into the 15 & 15 range, which even in my wildest dreams isn't happening.

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