Chris Rock on Michael Vick and dogfighting. Rock's rant on the Jay Leno Show cost him a lead in an upcoming movie on the life of Richard Pryor. Jennifer Pryor's widow (Pryor's widow) was not amused.
Rock comments included, "What the hell did Michael Vick do? Pit Bulls ain't even real dogs! Dogs have never been good to black people!"
Out of context some, and he did mean to be funny....but really. Pryor's widow, Jennifer, was outraged saying. "For your information, Chris, what Michael Vick did was to torture,
drown, electrocute and murder dogs all for fun and for profit! He went
to prison for felony animal cruelty! That's what he did! . . . These
types of comments only encourage abuse and misunderstanding of this
breed, as well as actual dog-fighting. Clearly this part of your latest
stand-up routine would not make Richard laugh!"
I can't find a video of Rock on Leno's show, but check this out and watch for yourself, though he was more harsh on pit bulls and even less harsh on Vick with Leno..
17 Comments
Angela said:
Chris Rock, like most comedians, think everything is a joke. I am thrilled that Richard Pryor's widow wasn't laughing and took a zero tolerance stance. It is unfortunate that too many people have Chris Rock's ill-informed opinion about pit bulls. Until we can overcome this type of apathetic ignorance concerning this magnificent animal it will continue to be the target of malicious intent and BSL. It is so unfortunate that a dog that will lay down its life for its person, the most definitive display of unconditional love, has become so demonized. BLESS THE BULLIES!
Steve Dale said:
I agree Angela - I happened to be watching the Leno show when he uttered his original statement....I know he says stuff to shock....but I though he went too far, and sadly Leno (who I think a lot of) didn't even flinch and went along with him, even chucking.
louann said:
Hi, Steve - we might not agree on CM, but you are on target with this article re: Chris Rock. I didn't see Leno's show, but I can tell Chris Rock went too far with his comments. You'd think Leno would be aware of studies linking animal abuse to domestic violence - and apparently he didn't object to what CR said! Too bad Jay didn't speak up or at least keep a straight face.
Steve Dale said:
We certainly do agree....
On Cesar - ok listening to him yesterday on the radio...Question, my dog is upset when the windshield wipers go on in the way. His reply, it's your fault, he's watching to - so be calm assertive.
My comment WHAT??????????????
Listener, dog afraid and barks at letter carrier. His answer, exercise the dog.
MY comment: WHHHHATTTTTT? Ok, you are afraid of spiders. So, now go run a marathon and come back. We will present you with spiders and you will be cured.
louann said:
Like I said, I agree with you re: Chris Rock. Re your comments on Millan (LOL, since you brought it up!): First off, no one should expect to train their dogs by listening to the radio. It's like any other generic radio/TV advice - relationship, financial, legal, etc. -you'd get on the radio/TV/dvd. The little bits of "dog training advice" should serve as starting point for the dog owner's face-to-face conversations with a real live dog trainer. If I'm not mistaken, CM always advises consulting with a vet first, to rule out any health problems that might cause behavior issues BEFORE starting any training program. Second, exercise does seem to cure a lot of ills - stress,depression,and hyperactivity, for example - in dogs and in people. I'm just sayin'!
Steve Dale said:
Sadly, CM doesn't always say consult with a vet first (I wish he did, and was among those who pressured to say it at all). Now, sometimes he does say it. Second, these weren't dog training questions - but advice on the radio may not solve problems, per se...but should make sense. You cave to admit - these are 'unusual' answers. I DO agree, actually, with some of what CM says - including that we live in a nation of under-exercised animals. But his answers tend to be all the same. Exercise has nothing to do with whether he/she barks at the mail carrier. You attitude in the car has nothing to do with a dog barking at the windshield wipers. I heard his answers with my own ears. Not sure how you can defend those 'unusual' replies.
louann said:
OK...you turned this into a Cesar Millan discussion when all I said in the beginning was that you and I don't agree on CM, but we DO agree on Chris Rock being insensitive.
This dog training stuff...YMMV! I don't need to defend anything.
Steve Dale said:
ok - now you're speaking another language - what is YMMV?
No - you don't need to defend anything....and I didn't mean to offend you. But his explanations on air were strange, admit it or not. In any case, we certainly agree about what Chris Rock said. Thanks for checking out the blog....when we agree or when we don't - equally as appreciated.
louann said:
YMMV - "your mileage may vary." Just one of those handy little internet acronyms, definitely meant in a friendly way. No offense taken.
bcluvr said:
you are mistaken, Milan does not advise anything but what HE does. And then, you have to look at the phrase " Don't try this at home" flashing on the screen,while some uneducated pig shows people all of the WRONG and DANGEROUS ways to 'handle' a dog. I use 'handle' because Milan is not a Trainer. That would imply that he actually 'teaches' something. All he does is put the fear of all the gods into the dogs he comes into contact with,so that they totally shut down and freeze. And this, Milan calls calm and submisive. No, it is far from calm. His handling methods go beyond the 'dark ages' and on the other side, there is scientific proof that operant conditioning works very well, and lasts much longer than the 'seemingly' really fast results CM gets.
And still he has to 'dominate'. How stupid. He is a male shovenist Pig too. His subtle put downs about women rarely are even noticed, especially by those women who are too busy watching him torture dogs, with his big biceps and cute little ass.
I wish he would go back to wherever he came from and just run for president. Then he can really dominate and bring everyone into a calm and submisive state of being.
louann said:
bcluvr: No, I am not mistaken. Don't watch Cesar Millan's show or read about him if it angers you so much. Use the methods that work for YOU, and let the rest of us decide for ourselves what's best for our dogs. I DON'T agree with what you've said in your post, but I'm sure there are others who do.
bcluvr said:
Do you honestly claim to be arrogant as to think I 'care' whether or not You or anyone else agrees with what I posted. Do you think I am attempting to win a popularity contest here? Your opinion of what I think, and what I 'know', matter as much to me as the dogs did to Vick and far less than Rock's 'daughters' EVER will.
Operant conditioning is not a 'method' or technique, you brain dead moron. It is a law of the universe. It is how learning occurrs along with classical conditining, (which means through association, because I know your little brain has yet to know what 'learning' is and/or why,how, when, where it takes place.
Of course you can do whatever you wish to any animal you want, just don't do it around me, and you will be safe,and so will I be, out of prison and not labled a killler, over someone as wilfully ignorant you are.
You bet there are those "out there" that would agree with me. You don't see anyone else disagreeing with me besides yourself, do you? That should be one clear sign for you to go by, if you need more, I will allow you to attempt to use your brain along with those fingers of yours, and search for topics on the 'dominance theory' and 'learning theory'. But be careful, you may find a lot of stuff that 'you' do not 'agree' with, but science will show proof of being absolute.
What you do in your house, away from myself and others who may or may not agree with me, does not matter at all. Now, if I witness it?
You may have more than you ever bargained for. Just keep on 'sneaking' like the slime you are and advocate for, and be careful not to get caught. Learn from Vick and Rock's misakes if you are going to stand up for them.
Post all you want, what I ignore will eventually go away, one way or another and I am not putting a 'check' in the box, so that I will be alerted to any more posts on this subject. It is done. Stick a fork in it.
louann said:
(shoulder shrug)...fine...sorry you got so upset...hope you're o.k.
Steve Dale said:
Interesting what you say about Cesar Millan putting down women...Hadn't thought about it - but you might be very right about that.
louann said:
(Last post) See you around, Steve. I'm posting to the wrong group.
selwyn marock said:
Definitely below the belt,what next Chris jokes about the Holocaust?Maybe you should offer the takings from your next movie to a pitbull shelter,Michael Vick made reparations.
smarock10@yahoo.com
bcluvr said:
A big respectful kiss blown in the direction of Mrs. Pryor.
Personally, there are many other people who would play the part much better with or without these comments. I really never cared for this guy nor have I ever even chuckled at anything he has ever said or done. This particular video shows me exactly why I have never had a 'positive' feeling about Mr. Rock.
As humans, and supposedly the most intelligent of the 'Animal Kingdom', at this point in time, we should be far beyond where we are in our treatment of other animals. Yes, humans are animals, we are mammals. Although people like Chris Rock make us look more like vegtables or minerals, where brains are concerned. Not to mention care and compassion for something other than 'ourselves'.
I hope I never meet your daughters. one of them may get the Micheal Vick Treatment, something far worse than rape. Torture, over and over again and then eventual death. That is what Rock is saying here, he says Rape his dog, which by the way, the ASPCA should have already been to his home and taken any sign of life other than human out of his house by now, but leave 'my' daughters alone? NO, if your dog has to endure the crime of Tyson, than your daughters can take on the role of Vicks Victims.
It is not a matter of 'what kind of animal' this person inflicted the horrific crimes onto. It is the fact that a person 'could' actually do these things and not look back. Vick should have gotten far worse than prison, and trust, Karma is a bitch, he will get his before it is over. How can a person do these things to any living being? He has no remorse. He is sorry he got caught, and he is not the first, last or only person to inflict such sufferng onto another. People as a whole are very violent animals, savage with no remorse or sympathy. Rock and Vick is are just one example of why. And all of this for the support of a person, just because he is the same color. Had it been a caucasion who had done what Vick did, I am sure Mr. Rock would view that the same way as he did Sarah Palin and her slaughtering of Moose and not to mention Wolves, or he would not have even acknowledged the act or the 'white' person doing anything at all. In fact, he probably would have never heard of it happening if the person doing it were of some other ethnic orgin.
We can judge a country's morals by the way it treats other animals and the U.S. is not looking very good right now.
Sometimes it is a really good thing, when comments like these are made on video or in interview, somewhere not close to me. I am afraid of what I would be capable of doing after losing control and having Rock, or Vick, or anyone making these statements, right in front of me. In my 'right' mind, I would certainly know that it would do no good and give only more attention to that which needs to be ignored or re-directed. However, stepping out of the 'right' mind and being able to lay my hands on someone who had just made statements such as these, to an audience, on television, and then again on this video, I fear I would be in prison and one dead, 'would be', 'wanna be Richard Pryor', would be filling an urn or gravesight, ending at least one idiot's bloodline from the gene pool and causing as much suffering as possible to him and his precious daughters, who are no more important to me than any of those dogs were.
Until one has truly loved another animal, the soul remains unawakened.
Now I must go find some positive energy and rest knowing that all who put out such negative energy as Rock and Vick, will soon attract what they are putting out. Losing the part in the movie was just the beginning for Rock,and a short prison term has not even begun Vick's payback yet.
Sorry guys but these are universal 'laws' and you cannot run or hire a decent lawyer to get yourself out of these laws. They know where you live and they are coming straight on for you.
It would be unfortunate for Vick to substain an injury to the neck or back, paralyzing him from the neck down. Then, leave him alone in a house full of all kinds of hungry Carnivores or even Omnivores. Let them naw on that fat head for a little while,then he could watch his own leg get torn away from his body, by maybe even,a pit bull? Yes, unfortunate indeed.
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