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Report: Sox, Pads, Angels Talking Three Way Deal Involving Konerko, Gonzalez, and Prospects

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SoxNet.net has learned that the Chicago White Sox have had preliminary discussions with the Anaheim Angels and San Diego Padres on a potential 3 way deal which would involve Paul Konerko, Adrian Gonzalez, and Angel and White Sox prospects. 

SoxNet.net is not aware of the specifics of the trade (ie, names of prospects and exact details as to how many prospects, etc) but the discussions are built on the Sox sending Konerko and prospects in-return for Adrian Gonzalez.  The Angels would receive Konerko with the Padres receiving a combination of Sox and Angel prospects.

We want to re-iterate that our sources, which we consider to be very reliable, have inidcated that the teams have had preliminary discussions. In no way, shape or form, are we reporting this as a done deal or a close to done deal.

 

SN's Jason Gage Speculates on the trade:

Why the Sox Do it?

A deal which would land Adrian Gonzalez, without giving up Alexei Ramirez, Gordon Beckham, Gavin Floyd, or John Danks would have to be looked at as a major coup for Sox GM Ken Williams. Gonzalez, 27, would provide the Sox with a proven MVP candidate and their best offensive player since Frank Thomas' prime. A deal involving Konerko and prospects for Gonzalez would leave the club with holes, but by moving Konerko, the club would have most of the financial resources it needs to fill its remaining holes (OF, DH, and RHP). Combine Gonzalez with a healthy Quentin, Beckham, and arguably the best rotation in baseball and you are talking about a team with the core parts to not only contend for the World Series, but win it.

 

How Much Would it Cost? 

While SoxNet has only heard Konerko's name being mentioned on the Sox side, it is safe to presume that the prospects the Sox would be sending would be a combination of the club's top prospects, as well as potentially a prospect or two from the Angels. The Padres demands would obviously start at phenom Gordon Beckham, but Ken Williams has given every indication that Beckham is off limits, so it is safe to assume that the Padres would be picking from a group of the Sox top prospects: Tyler Flowers (C), Dan Hudson (RHP), Jordan Danks (OF), Dayan Viciedo (3B/1B/DH), and Brent Morel (3B).

 

Flowers and Hudson would make perfect sense for the Padres, who are believed to be interested in a package of major league ready top prospects and/or up-and-coming young major leaguers. Both are knocking on the major league door and are widely considered to be amongst the league's best prospects at their respected positions. After Flowers and Hudson, the Padres would likely ask for Jordan Danks, but many believe Danks is close to untouchable due his relationship with John Danks (brother), combined with the fact that Danks would fill a major long-term need for the club (potential top of the order hitter and premium defensive OF'er). If push came to shove, I personally would put Danks in the package, but the Sox might try to sell the Padres on a combination of Brent Morel, Dayan Viciedo and a package of other minor leaguer's, which could potentially include an Angel prospect or two.

 

Alternative Options:

While my possibilities above focused on top prospects going to the Padres, the Sox could also put together packages which include a young, proven starter (Danks/Floyd) and/or a young, proven shortstop (Alexei Ramirez). I personally would be less interested in a package involving such players, however, the possibilities definitely exist.

 

Final Take:

While this deal is not imminent, it is clear that the Sox not only have a need for Adrian Gonzalez (impact, left handed hitting, middle of the order bat), but also the pieces to obtain Gonzalez. What the ultimate package would be is un-clear, but most of the theoretical packages would provide the Sox with the middle of the order bat that could put the club over the top.

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Jason Gage said:

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We want to reiterate that this is what we are hearing as of this AM. Preliminary Discussions going on between the three teams, no deal imminent.

Mario Scalise said:

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Also remember that GMs, especially Williams, are always talking and discussing deals. Just because there is a discussion doesn't mean a deal is close or a deal will get done. Still interesting.

Jason Gage said:

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We will have an updated story in the next hour commenting on our take of the supposed deal and some speculation on our part as to some of the players the Padres would be interested in.

JimH. said:

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Actually a Konerko for Gary Matthews Jr. deal makes sense. Since GMJ has one more yr. on his contract than Konerko, it would make sense for the Angels to throw a prospect or two to the White Sox. Which, of course, could then be flipped to San Diego.

It does not surprise me that the White Sox are trying to figure out a way to get Adrian Gonzalez. Rongey has confirmed the White Sox have long had an interest and my guy in the press box has said the White Sox love him.

This would be a prototypical KW type of deal. One thing though. San Diego has no pressing reason to trade Gonzalez right now. Maybe toward the trade deadline but not necessarily now. But we all know KW is like a wolverine pursuing players he likes.

Jason Gage said:

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The Padres have talked with Gonzalez and I'm not privy of the talks, but the speculation around baseball has been that Gonzalez will go before spring training as the pieces the club gets from him will be key to the rebuilding process and they ultimately figure the sooner they can do it, the better.

The Sox will have very little interest in GMJ. GMJ has told the Angels he'll never play from him again and the feeling around the Anaheim area is that the Angels will ultimately release him if they can't move him.

And if the Angels moved him, they would have to pick up 90% of his contract.

JimH. said:

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Hmmm, well, if KW can unload a $12M salary and pick up Gonzalez in return while only giving up prospects then he's a genius.

JimH. said:

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Not to mention the White Sox rarely if ever send $$ in a trade. No matter how much the Angels like Konerko I don't see how and why they'd assume a big salary like that. Plus give up a prospect or two.

In my mind there would most assuredly have to be some type of contract coming back from LAA. Yes the Angels have $$ coming off the books in Vlad and Lackey but still.

Again if KW can get rid of Konerko's contract and get Gonzalez for prospects he is a genius.

Jason Gage said:

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I think the Angels have an interest in Konerko, how much, who knows. The question is how far the trade goes.

The key is prelim talks. This deal could clearly expand to include Linebrink or other players with the club potentially getting back a GMJ, cash, and prospects. Or it could be Konerko and cash for someone like Brandon Wood which ultimately allows the Sox to still save money this year (Gonzalez and the cash send is still cheaper than Konerko's contract) while not having to deal a Jordan Danks, etc.

Ultimately there are a whole lot of "ifs" in the trade scenario but the overall puzzle makes sense.

Sox have a major need for Gonzalez and they have the pieces the Pads would be interested in.

winstonchill29 said:

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Make the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Before Anaheim comes out of their coma and realizes how screwed up this thing would be for them!

Jason Gage said:

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It is important to note that Konerko has 10/5 rights, but I would fully expect him to accept a deal to the Angels.

He was close to signing with them in the 2005 off-season and they are a contender on the west coast, so it would be something Paulie would easily sign-off on.

Jason Gage said:

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Another person is indicating that he's hearing that Sox deal would be centered around Konerko, Hudson, and a young centerfielder (presumably Jordan Danks).

This is not from our source, rather another person on the web indicating they've heard similar info.

JimH. said:

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Makes sense, in terms of pieces the White Sox would have to give up. Everyone got a good look at Jordan Danks in the AFL so I can see teams clamoring to get him.

Brett T said:

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The Angels have coveted Konerko for years. They were heavily trying to woo him to sign with them after the 05 season. If Kenny can make this deal and not trade any starting pitching or Beckham this would be absolutley a steal. Gonzalez is only 26 and he'd be our answer to Morneau and Miguel Cabrera.

Phillips said:

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Sorry guys, hate to burst this rumor bubble but I've talked with people inside the Padres organization and they're laughing at this rumor. Any deal for Gonzalez would have to involve Beckham to even start a discussion. Adrian is under contract cheaply for two more years and - despite what people around the league are speculating - they have no immediate plans to move him because he's inexpensive AND valuable.

It's not a situation like Jake Peavy where half the team's payroll is locked up in him. They are currently where they want to be payroll-wise and Gonzalez's deal is only taking up $5.5 million next year.

There's no way he's going to Chicago for the prospects you listed. Not even close. Beckham AND Chicago's top prospects would be needed to even get talks going.

Jason Gage said:

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You might very well be right. I do know that the deal was discussed by the Padres MLB.com beat reporter (http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091117&content_id=7676012&vkey=news_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd) and he didn't shoot down the deal.

Ultimately I don't know if the Pads will trade him right away or not, but that doesn't stop teams from having initial discussions with the Padres.

It has also been reported in multiple places that the Pads have listened to offers for Gonzalez and he was pretty close to getting dealt at the trade deadline this past July.

Nothing is impossible. Talks happen and no deal is imminent, but that doesn't make it impossible or even unrealistic.

Phillips said:

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Justin,
I know you guys are just reporting what you're hearing so I'm not here to blast you or anything, just give you some other information. The Padres were trying to trade Gonzalez at the deadline when they still had Peavy's contract clogging up the books. That isn't the case anymore, plus Brian Giles' ridiculous deal is gone too. Right now their opening day payroll would be lower than the $40 million they mandated and they've got more than enough guys to fill the 40-man roster.

If they send Gonzalez it will be because someone knocks them over with a trade, not because they have to get rid of him for financial reasons. In July they were looking to dump salary, that's just simply not the case anymore.

If he gets dealt it will likely come near the trade deadline in 2010 unless the Sox offer Beckham along with most of the other guys you mentioned. They won't do that, so this won't happen. I'm just giving you what I've heard from friends I have who work with the Padres.

Jason Gage said:

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I think this is good discussion. I think the key is would the Pads get a great offer. Boston is clearly going to make a run at him, the White Sox clearly have a need for Gonzalez as do a handful of other teams that have the potential resources to land him (including the Mets).

The big question is what the Padres GM sees in his long-term future. What added benefit would Gonzalez be to the club over the next year? Would it be better to fill 4 holes with 1 player and give time for those guys to get better or are the Pads better served waiting another year before getting those prospects and not starting the development for another year.

I believe the case could be made to acquire those guys now and continue on with the rebuilding process. I understand that there are PR consequences to everything though and the Pads are clearly hurting in that department but with or without Adrian the club is going to be bad next year and If I were running the show I'd think long and hard about any trade that netted me 4 potential starters which filled serious organizational holes (CF/SP/C), a couple of which I'm sure would have borderline All Star potential.

Just my 2 cents though and good discussion :)

Jason Gage said:

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I will say something with 100% certainty, well 99.9% certainty.

IF the Pads must have Beckham in the deal than no deal will ever get done.

Jason Gage said:

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And I'd understand 100% why the Pads would insist on Beckham and why the Sox would insist on not putting him into the deal.

If that were the case, I'd put Boston as the massive favorites, especially given Hoyer's familiarity with the farm system. Bucholz is a nice haul and than there are the other power arms they have in their system.

JimH. said:

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The White Sox wouldn't trade Beckham even up for Gonzalez. They like Gonzalez (who wouldn't?) but they love Beckham.

Regardless, it is clear to me the White Sox are trying to move some $$. I have felt the past few years they have their eyes on Conor Jackson of the Dbacks, who is supposedly getting back to 100% after his nasty illness. He would be an outstanding fit. However, making the pieces fit is an entirely different story.

Jason Gage said:

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Does the media indicate that the Sox have interest in Figgins, etc. Absolutely. This really isn't much different than that, with the exception we are indicating that the three teams had a preliminary discussion on a potential trade. The discussion most likely occured at the GM Meetings and odds are it wasn't going to go anywhere (given all of the variables).

NadaSurf2009 said:

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To the writer that stated the Sox couldn't land A Gonzalez without Beckham in the deal.
The Sox could EASILY land AG, but it would cost Flowers, Jordan Danks and Hudson or Viciedo thrown in there somewhere.
Hopefully, the Sox won't make a deal like this.
1B is the easiest position to find a slugger and the always-cash-strapped Sox don't need to keep overpaying at that position.

Jason Gage said:

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Welcome aboard Nada. I don't know if the Sox could easily acquire Gonzalez for that package but I think it would be a very nice starting point.

The question is whether the move ultimately makes sense for the White Sox as there would be serious budget implications in moving 3 of a handful of top prospects you have which could be producing at the major league level beginning as early as this April (for cheap).

jrobin1434 said:

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Jason, here is an interesting question for you...If not AGon, then who? Obviously, he wants a left handed hitter, and he more than likely wants Konerkos contract off the books this year, so give me a trade possobility where you think it makes sense.

Jason Gage said:

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Unfortunately the more realistic option is we see someone like a Jim Thome sign a 1yr 2-5M deal with the club to be there DH.

But Kenny will be spending the next month or two trying to trade his higher priced guys so he can have the flexibility to replace them with a couple solid players because ultimately that is what we need, more good players.

A star would be great, but I'll take one or two solid players at the right price and remember that Beckham, Ramirez, Quentin, and Rios all should have better seasons in 2010 than they did in 2009.

Chicago Sox Fan since Birth! said:

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Some Pads fan sites are now actively discussing the Pads moving AGon at some point. See link below:

http://www.friarhood.com/voice-of-the-fan/koke-korner/105-its-just-a-matter-of-time.html

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