PHOTO GALLERY: RECENT BLACKFACE CONTROVERSIES
(UPDATE: RedEye's own Kyra Kyles breaks down this whole Blackface hubbub a lot better than I ever could over here)
Hey Kaner, how's tricks?
Good stuff with the season so far, and ducking that whole incident earlier this fall.
Buddy, we gotta talk.
So today I'm doing my usual browse through the internets, and I stumble across a pic of you and Adam "I kinda look like Scott Stapp" Burish dressed as Pip and Dennis Rodman from this weekend.
C'mon son.
Have you-um..noticed the Richard M. Diculous amount of Blackface-related issues in the news recently?
It's not a good look, You've got a lot of people and kids looking up to you, and I refuse to believe that a #1 overall pick in one of the "Big 4" leagues with the media relations department of that caliber at your disposal is silly enough to believe that no one would have a problem with you doing some "extreme tanning".
It's interesting being a Black (feel free to sub in Latino/Woman/actual Penguin at your will) hockey fan sometimes. We don't see a lot of players that look like us, and we want more people out there to look up to out there on the ice. Stuff like this doesn't help.
(For the record, It's not that the actual act of having blackface on offends me, it
doesn't. But there's just something about a human being living in
modern society that thinks nothing twice of putting it or anything else like it on and then
looking around and saying, "What? What did I do wrong?". That really
gets at me. I forgive ignorance. Not knowing doesn't bother me.
You live in Chicago though, man. You go to work in an area with a large Black community. It's just not smart. )
I know we aren't supposed to talk about race in this country, so I'll get back to random posts and wit now, but before I do, let me just put it out there. I don't care what Charles Barkley said. If you're a pro athlete(and the future of a franchise, to boot), you've gotta be more careful.
Enjoy the rest of the season, and DETROIT SUCKS!







68 Comments
Stylin19 said:
I completely disagree with you on this one. Why is it ok for the Wayans brothers to make a movie where they are white females then? Isn't this a gross double standard. Kaner wasn't being offensive about it he was simply honoring one of the best basketball players Chicago has seen. He wasn't singing "Swing Low Sweet Chariot" or anything like that. Come on, get over it and have a sense of humor about Halloween.
ErnestWilkins said:
Read it again. At no point do I say that I'm mad, sad, bad, or glad about the incident. If anything, I'm mad he didn't go for the high-top haircut. My point was that as a sports star/role model, you have to be more careful with this kind of stuff.
Also: The White Chicks defense works about as well as the "I'm not racist! I have (insert #) of (insert minority) friends!" defense does. That movie was offensive to HUMANS, as a whole.
Hank said:
Alright guys Hank from the frat house here to add my 2 cents.
Black face is not funny/acceptable. Its not. The reason why black face is not acceptable is because of the history behind it. It was used in theater and film to "mostly" mock minorities. Using it to mock them with stereotypes/conventional charterers to try and put people down.
I do not think this is what Kane was meaning to do. But he should know the history behind it and the reasons why it is not acceptable to do it. I agree with Ernest that White Chicks is no defense. There is no history of black people wearing white makeup to hold down a minority. There is no history of "white face".
He didn't have to sing "Swing Low Sweet Chariot", his face said it all.
ThatGuy said:
Lighten up, Francis. Just watch the damn games and shut the hell up. Oh, and the "We don't see a lot of players that look like us" is a bunch of crap. If that's a valid reason for increased sensitivity on the part of pro athletes, they damn well better start policing the attitudes of NBA players a whole lot better, lest white folk stop watching and the dollars dry up. And maybe you should seek some counseling so you don't see a racist with a rope behind every tree.
ErnestWilkins said:
First off: I'm stealing "Lighten up, Francis". That's awesome.
Secondly: Re-read the post. I'm not scared of racists with ropes, I'm scared of franchise players for teams I like being dopes.
Lastly: Get out of here with that "NBA = all blacks" stuff. There are 24 players of African descent currently playing in the NHL or an affiliate. That's 24 out of..600+ players? C'mon son.
Also: Allen Iverson has never dressed up as Gordie Howe. 'Just saying.
ThatGuy said:
First off: Stealing might be a good journalistic strategy for you, since whatever it is that you're trying now isn't working so well.
Secondly: I never said you were scared of racists; only that you seem to see them everywhere. If the aspect of blackface that you feel is "wrong" has nothing to do with perceived racism, then you need some serious rewrite on that piece.
Lastly: Are we quibbling about numbers now? About 10% of NBA players are US-born whites, and that percentage gets smaller every year. By contrast, the number of NHL players of "African descent" (would that include descendants of PW Botha or Gary Player?) increases every year. And who are you calling "Son?"
Also: Allen Iverson may never have dressed up as Gordie Howe, and I couldn't care less if he did. But Stephon Marbury did a turn in whiteface, and unlike Kaner, did so for public viewing rather than as a costume at a private party. I will happily take Patrick Kane as an exemplar of my race. Would you say the same for Starbury?
jac39 said:
And would you say the same for Mike Danton?
Moron.
Chris Beyne said:
You are right AI never dressed up as gordie Howe, but Derron Williams did dress up as Cal Ripken. Full white face included. The whole thing should be a non issue.
jj122906 said:
Wow. You obviously give no thought to insulting others.
Yvette Quintanar said:
Did you see the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader who also did blackface for Halloween? How these people don't get their butts whooped at these parties is a mystery to me. They're all just laughing and giggling and encouraging them. Strange.
pannam1 said:
Its a stupid look but I think Halloween is the one time it is acceptable just because people do all kinds of stupid stuff on halloween. Its not like he was doing this on some random night just to be funny.
I found your statement rather odd:
"We don't see a lot of players that look like us, and we want more people out there to look up to out there on the ice. Stuff like this doesn't help."
Are you saying that if someone doesn't "look" like you, you can't "look up" to them or "support" them? Sounds like you need to rethink a few things as well.
Mike Burzawa said:
When I saw this picture, I got that uncomforable feeling just seeing it, like "Uh oh, here comes a controversy." They should know better.
Mike d said:
its a halloween costume. Anyway to claim racism people are all over it. The problem is that if the rolls were reversed no one would have a problem everyone would think its hilarious, "look at the black guy being a stiff white guy." My problem is the hypocrisy and in this modern era of tolerance everyone is looking to cry racism. Racism is the new Red.
Brian Moore said:
You know what's really offensive? Burish wearing a white jersey with red shorts. No self-respecting, black-face wearing, hockey-player-as-basketball player would screw up their costume like that.
Neal said:
First of all there is no history of whiteface. No history of blacks putting on white makeup to mock and belittle a minority its no where near the same thing. This coming from a south side Irish white guy. So you can knock off the Wayans brothers whitechicks defense right now Rich. Second of all if you read Ernest's blog you would of noticed he never calls Kane or Burish Racist and he goes after Kane in particular because hes a super star, a #1 overall draft pick, a franchise player, and a role model. Burish is not. Nothing against him but hes not Kane. And Third it doesn't matter if the didn't mean to offend they did. The simple act of putting that make up on is offensive no matter what day it is and no matter what the intent is. If they wanted to go as bulls put on a jersey put on the red shorts and Kane get a flattop haircut and Burish dye your hair pink we would of got the costume. Blackface is unacceptable and I think to many people have forgotten it.
Kate21B42 said:
Really? The fact of the matter is that it was HALLOWEEN!!!! They were dressing up as someone else. That is the entire point of Halloween. Did something change about that? No? OK then. Do people get labeled disrespectful when they put on an Obama mask for the holiday? Did they for Bush masks? Do people get offended when someone dresses up as Pocahontas? They are COSTUMES people! The point is to look like someone else and i think they look a lot like them. Good Job Boys! It was all in fun. I'm sure they were just having a good time and meant nothing but that. It's not fair that everyone goes after people in the public eye like this. Would a random guy showing up at a party stir up this must drama? Probably not at all. Lighten up people! I bet if you meet them on the streets of Chicago they are cool as hell. I'm sure you will all find something else tomorrow to complain about...
Helen said:
amen amen
jj122906 said:
Clearly you have no knowledge of the historical implications of blackface. Perhaps Burrish and Kane did not intend to offend anyone, but they should have thought about the possibility of offending someone before they made their choice. They should have stuck with the "Dumb & Dumber" costume Burrish wore with Toews the night before.
Rafter said:
jj122906, your post offended me, perhaps you did not intend to offend anyone, but you should have thought about the possibility of offending someone before you posted. What about the historical implications of cotton. Should all african americans be prevented from working with cotton because of its historical implications?
JTO said:
I just don't see this as an example, even remotely, of blackface. Blackface was supposed to be a caricature of the stereotypical black person. In this case, he was dressing-up as a specific person. Who just happens to be black. Should Kane and Burish be aware that there are some who would see this as an insult to their race? Sure. Others might even see it as being an insult to the Bulls, who share a home with the Blackhawks.
As a person of Asian descent, I think there is something completely different between a person, on Halloween of all times, dressing-up as Jackie Chan or Lo Pan and tweaking the eyes a little, and a person running around in a leather aviator helmet with Coke-bottle glasses and fake buck-teeth, yelling, "Ruk you, Roundeye!" These costumes are definitely the former, not the latter.
However, the Blackhawks organization should be ready to respond to hyper-sensitive people out there who think the costumes were motivated by racist ideology and meant to demean any minority. And Kane should realize that this, again, can put him in a bad light.
Derek Walker said:
This is really making a mountain out of an ant hill, isn't it? It was Halloween, the one day people are justified to dress up, paint their skin, go drag, whatever. Kane obviously wasn't being malicious; he was imitating a dark-skinned basketball player as best he could. Yes, that means by donning "blackface." Only, this isn't so much blackface as much as it is a Halloween costume.
I saw a lot of folks dressed like that Hulk character this year. They had the Hulk hands, the Hulk haircuts and the Hulk torn threads. They also had the green (or gray) skin to match because, well, Hulk was of a different color. I also saw a ton of people dressed as zombies and vampires. Fine costumes in their own right, but each requiring white paint. Are these people in the wrong for painting their own skin, or does the sweeping rule of blackface only apply to white folks imitating black folks?
This is really, really a non-issue. I read Kyra's post, and I definitely agreed that blackface is wrong. In Kane's case, he was just completing a Halloween costume. In any other event, doing what he did would be uncool and foolish. But are we really only allowed to dress as people of our own race on a day known for dressing up? Or our own species?
Long post short, it was just Halloween. Just a costume. Let's try and take things for their actual worth and not personally.
jj122906 said:
I'm not sure how know what message Burrish & Kane intended to convey, but the Halloween excuse is not viable. Everyone should stop to consider whether or not they might be offending someone before they act or speak.
ag said:
I completely agree with you on black face. But what makes no sense is that no one seems to have a problem with an Indian head being worn on the uniform. That is the most offensive thing yet no one has a problem with it. What do we expect from someone who plays for the "Blackhawks" and plays with a scalped Indian head on their jersey? Isnt it just a natural progression that they like to "play" other races?
Stylin19 said:
You obviously have no idea what a "scalped" Indian head looks like because if you did you would know that this is not what is on the historic Blackhawks uniform. Scalping is a process of removing the hair and skin from the top of the head normally. So being as this is not what is on the front of the Blackhawks uniform it again has nothing to do with race. And most if not all Hawks players have the utmost respect for that logo and the rich history behind it. Most do not walk on the logo that is on the floor in the locker room and they do not leave their jerseys on the ground after games. You are the ignorant person for spouting off half truths without any backing behind them.
jj122906 said:
Have you ever asked a Native American how they feel about the use of "Indian Heads" in athletics? I doubt it.
Stylin19 said:
Have you ever asked an eagle how it feels to be used as a mascot in athletics? I doubt it. Same argument. Or how about a cowboy, or a patriot. Or a Canadian. They are all mascots. Why does it matter if they use the Indian head as their logo? How is it demeaning in any way? I don't understand. And I am part Native American.
There are certainly team names in sports that can be viewed as offensive, particularly towards Native Americans. The Atlanta Braves, the Cleveland Indians, and most glaringly the Washington Redskins (that, it should be noted, is the only one that is actually a racial slur) just to name a few. However, The Chicago Blackhawks by no means fall into this category. The Blackhawks are named in honor (key word there: honor) of one specific Native American, Chief Black Hawk of the Sauk nation. Actually, the naming is indirect as it is actually in reference to Frederic McLaughlin's (the first owner of the team) WWI machine gun battalion which was nicknamed the "Blackhawk Division" out of respect for Chief Black Hawk. Maybe you should get your facts straight, it's pretty obvious that not only do you have an inflated sense of self-worth and no actual idea what you're talking about. As I've observed from your comments on this page, anybody that reads your posts is dumber for having done so
Stylin19 said:
me?
No no not you Stylin19, sorry for the confusion. I'm lashing out at jj122906 because his head is so far up his own a** he actually knows the taste of his own stomach lining
Stylin19 said:
that's what I thought but I just wanted to check because it seems like we have the same view on the topic so I was slightly confused much like I was after reading anything written by jjl22906.
I don't get confused by reading anything written by jj122906, I just die a little bit inside
Stylin19 said:
Unfortunately this is a re-occurring trend when reading people's comments on blogs. You start to wonder how they can function with the daily tasks of life let alone use the internet.
I know what you mean. I'm not sure why I continue to torment myself by reading comments when it frequently just makes me so angry and quite frankly sad about the state of the human population. I guess I'm just a bit of a masochist....
Rafter said:
Your post offended me, please never post on anything ever again. How do you like that?
SkaterRich said:
Palin and simple this guy is a moron, don't you think Byfuglien would have kicked both their asses if it was offensive?
The fact thier skin was darker isn't "Black Face" it was a halloween costume and if blacks are offended by this then they need some thicker skin. Eddie Murphy and Dave Chappelle put white make-up on and ripped on white sterotypes and we all laughed, Kane and Burish dressed up and went to a HALLOWEEN PARTY!!!!
Harden up a little you wimps, if what Kane, Burish, Eddie or Dave did offended you then you need help. It's 2009 and traditional "Black Face" is never coming back so let the kids dress like their idols if they want.
SkaterRich said:
Oh and he directs us to read another black womans guide on how to avoid dressing in black face when she is clearly talking about doing it for movies, TV or a photo shoot. She says to avoid make-up to make yourself look like a person of color but this was HALLOWEEN, this guy should not even have a blog, he is a complete moron trying to get attention for a HALLOWEEN costume.
Grow up you loser and understand the points your trying to make yourself before accusing other people of being ignorant.
If it was wrong why do the sell Obama masks? Is it ok to sell them because he is half white? Because he was raised by whites? No it's OK because it's HALLOWEEN!!!!
jj122906 said:
Wow. You obviously do not give a second thought to possibly offending someone.
Stylin19 said:
This is not the historical "blackface." When it was done to mock African Americans they would embellish certain features to play of off stereotypes (bigger lips, a suit a size too small or big). This was not done and therefore just putting on makeup doesn't make it blackface. Know your history before throwing stuff out there. Kane wasn't doing it to "hold down" a minority. He was honoring another Chicago great. Why can't people get past race and accept a joke or in this case a costume. I think if we want to move past racism we need to stop acknowledging and exposing our differences. Why in 2009 is it unacceptable to dress as a black man? You can claim because of history but when does that excuse become mute? We need to accept our differences and not use them to say you can or can't do this because the color of your skin.
jude42 said:
this isn't really a big deal, but yeah, patrick kane is proving himself to be brainless. its just stupid of him, thats all.
Bandwagon Driver said:
Good thing you're perfect and we have you to pass judgement, Jude. Tell me what it's like to never have been 20 years old??...
(Idiot.)
Bandwagon Driver said:
I see your point, but people really get into Halloween. I could see someone dressing as Rodman, looking in the mirror and thinking, "How could i complete this costume?" In the end, they're humans too.
And if we want them to remain amicable to the media and people taking pictures of them, we can't bitch at them for every tiny thing that they do, especially if it doesn't particularly enrage us (because you've probably just pointed this out to ten people it DOES enrage).
Nate said:
Man, that's some serious message-board flame on the part of those wishing to defend Kane. Fact of the matter is, "if roles were reversed..." doesn't work because in your hypothetical, you're not reversing all of the roles. You're not willing to reverse which group has seen centuries of varying levels of oppression. So if you were to say to me, "what if it was a black person dressing up in white-face?" I would think that was wrong too, so long as the historical context were also reversed. If White people had been ridiculed, harrassed and enslaved for centuries and you started doing a White-face routine, that would be wrong.
Beyond that, he doesn't ever state that he's offended or hurt or that Patrick Kane is a racist, or any of those things people are accusing him of -- even though he may be entitled to do so. All he's doing is saying Kane, as a high-profile representative of a professional organization, needs to think about the crap he puts on for Halloween, because he's not some schlob off the street...he's friggin' Patrick Kane!
For my part, I would go a step past Mr. Wilkins here who's trying to be diplomatic about the whole affair and say that I, as a White man, think blackface is a terrible thing to let creep back into the realm of what is acceptable. Someone said earlier that racism is the new red, and I agree in that people seem to think that slight amounts of racist backslide are okay because they're fun. They're not fun. I'm sick of people throwing "jew" around because South Park did it. And if you don't think that's a slippery slope, you're absolutely wrong because intollerant is the easiest thing for anyone to be. So when you start making excuses for minor intollerance, people start crossing lines real quick.
P.S. I can't believe it's controversial to say black face is wrong. WTF, mate!
Joanna Pelletier said:
Ummmmm, I'd have another look at the history books again, because white people--and relatively every other ethnicity-- *were* enslaved for a number of centuries. The Gauls--the blonde haired, blue-eyed ancestors of the French--were one of the many Germanic tribes enslaved by the Romans, who were much darker (and still are somewhat) back in ancient times.
And if you really want to get technical, practically every other ethnic group--Hebrews, Aztecs, Incas, Native Americans, etc, etc--experienced the same thing at one point or another. Soooo saying that is about the same as saying that only 6 million people (and not 11 million, the actual number) died in the Holocaust. The missing 5 million people were priests, homosexuals, mentally ill people, anyone who resisted Hitler's regime, etc, etc.
If you're not understanding my point, I'm only trying to say that we are all in this together *tunes guitar for kumbaya*; that we all experience strife at one point or another, and that people are *probably* turning this into a bigger issue than it really is. Just sayin'...
Joanna Pelletier said:
And just to add (and clear the air a bit before someone jumps down my throat for one reason or another):
1. I used the Romans as an example because we're turning this into an issue of skin color.
2. This whole fiasco proves that we can't please everyone and or be 100 percent correct all the time; that relatively everything we do, no matter how harmless it may seem in our own minds, will offend another person. For example, as a Polish woman, I find it offensive that we give all the kudos to Christopher Columbus for doing absolutely nothing for this country, yet we ignore Kasimir Pulaski, a great Polish general who helped the Americans stomp the British during the Revolution. We can also chat about how some of my ancestors who weren't of Polish descent were degraded because of their heritage, denied jobs and housing because of their religious beliefs, and cast down for a number of centuries because of prejudices that go back centuries, perhaps even millenia. This is a part of my heritage and that of other people, which is also very roucus (hence the "we're all in this together").
The fact of the matter is that there is always going to be an "us" versus "them" (this isn't limited to ethnic groups) no matter how hard we try to abolish it, and it's a damned shame that something like that exists.
3. In essence, I'm just trying to say "let it go". This is neither good nor bad, and I'm just trying to say this as a *person*--not as a *white person* or as Ms. Suzie Knowitall.
Stylin19 said:
very nicely stated joanna
Nate said:
First of all, I would like to point out that I appreciate civility on the Internet because things tend to get childish fast, so way to keep things polite.
So I appreciate your point about all of us being oppressed at one time or another, but the plights of the groups you mentioned don't match with the plight we're discussing here. All of those ethnicities you mentioned were, indeed, unjustly treated, but that was thousands of years in the past. So far in the past, in fact, that none of us could be rightly offended by them even if we tried. Not so with Black Americans. This wound is still fresh and, as such, needs to be mended before we go around poking it. Case and point, my grandpa didn't remember the Romans enslaving the Gauls, but MAN you should have heard the vitriol he spouted about Black people. When a relative of yours remembers minstrelry fondly, it's not yet okay to start making light of it, and it's never our right to say "get over it".
Beyond that, our White heritage is so homogeneously blended by now that the vast majority of us could not trace our roots back to our immigration, let alone one of those periods of enslavement. So it's difficult for most of us to really understand the personal connection many Black people (and sympathetic people of all races) have to relatively recent symbols of bigotry like blackface.
One of the interesting ethnicities you bring up that has some parallel to the blackface debate is the Native Americans. They have every right in the world to be pissed off at any number of daily transgressions (see: the Cleveland Indians), but there aren't very many left so the chances that we, the privileged, will listen is pretty slim. Sorry, little aside there.
It sounds like you're pretty proud of your Polish heritage (rock on, my Jewish side came from Poland), which is great. Polish people have been ungraciously treated for a long time now, which you point out. I don't think the solution, though, is to tell you to get over it. I don't think the solution is to perpetuate hurtful instances of anti-Polish history, either. In fact, I think the solution would be for all of us to abhor bigotry no matter who it's perpetrated against. It just seems morally lazy to say, "Well, life sucks for all of us but I'm sick of hearing your particular brand of bitching so just let it go," especially when the wound is so fresh.
Joanie said:
I don't want to glorify 'White Chicks' by any means (or anything even remotely related to the Wayans bros), but blackface is historically a horribly racist 'costume', if you will. Blackface was used for mockery and to institute absurdly offensive stereotypes of black people. 'White Chicks' could definitely also be perceived as racist, by not nearly to the same degree. It's a terrible movie and isn't worth discussing anyway.
It really doesn't matter where you stand on that debate. Point is, Patrick Kane, really? You're an idiot.
Ted Gruber said:
Wow people have nothing better to write about then Halloween costumes huh?
For god sakes it's Halloween. There's plenty of other more important things that people can worry about instead of this picture.
It's a Halloween picture big deal and they wanted to be those guys?
I was Teen Wolf for Halloween so do I get pointed at for making fun of Michael J Fox?
Give me a break man and choose something better to blog about.
Outsanity said:
If people are trying to bring back the whole blackface "fad", why not just bring back a 2009 Amos & Andy?
Ok, here's my problem with everything I've read / heard about this topic: I think we can all agree that blackface i, horrible, atrocious, and unacceptable. However, and this is really the key point here, THIS IS NOT BLACKFACE!!!!!!!!! Blackface is offensive because a) studios refused to hire African-American actors for roles, and b) it was literally faces painted midnight black with gigantic bright-red lips as actors portrayed malicious caricatures of black people. This, however, is 2 people who used make-up to darken their skin (to a very natural-looking shade, not completely black) in order to portray 2 specific African-American Chicago legends for a Halloween costume. Major league difference - calling the 2 the same is about on par with reacting the same to the use of the n-word as you would to the word black in describing a person of African descent.
If you cannot make that distinction, then you are both an idiot and quite frankly what is wrong with America today. That observation is directed not at the author of this article, who is not calling the costumes racist but pointing out the potential for controversy, but rather commenters (specifically jjl22906) who get up in arms about anything that they can spin as racist / sexist / fill-in-the-category-ist. News flash: racism is still very much alive and kicking; there are still plenty of people committing racist asks and saying racist things. Every time you blow up about something as benign as this, you're missing someone who's ACTUALLY being a racist and letting him / her get away with it. So, not only are you being an idiot, but your being a detriment to the very cause you were trying to champion. That, good sir, makes you a massive pile of fail.
Nate said:
I don't think anyone's making the one-to-one association that you're implying. I'm pretty sure we all acknowledge that they didn't wear these costumes to mock anyone. But that doesn't change the fact that they're using a technique that was pretty recently used to demean a pretty large, already-disenfranchised group of people. If you can't see why that's hurtful then you're not exercising your empathy very well. Sure, they're just being ignorant of the past and that's forgivable, but that doesn't mean they're not doing anything wrong.
No, they are not doing anything wrong because they are NOT using a technique that was used to demean African-Americans. My point isn't that it's ok to use blackface if it's in a non-insulting or ignorant-of-the-past manner, my point is that this is not blackface, period. Blackface is something very specific - it involved actors painting their faces midnight black (i.e. very obviously not a natural, realistic skin tone color) with huge, bright-red lips and usually the rest of the body, particularly the hands, was visibly and noticeably left unpainted (thus still white). Calling the make-up that Kane and Burish used blackface is akin to claiming that children getting their faces painted at a carnival is mocking Native American war paint. If you can't see why there's a gigantic difference then you're not exercising your common sense very well
mutley said:
You've got a lot of people and kids looking up to you, and I refuse to believe that a #1 overall pick in one of the "Big 4" leagues with the media relations department of that caliber at your disposal is silly enough to believe that no one would have a problem with you doing some "extreme tanning".
Why would anyone have to worry about completing a Halloween costume? You can't be Pippen or Rodman and be white..that would just look stupid. They aren't making fun of anyone. My God, its freakin' sad that the PC police are now dissecting Halloween and ruining that holiday too. I guess I better be careful what Thanksgiving cards I buy this year...as I want to make sure I don't offend Pilgrims and God forbid I tell anyone "Merry Christmas". Holidays are becoming less fun by the minute due to the infestation of Politicaly Correct knee jerk simpletons.
Neal said:
"you can't be Pippen or Rodman and be white..that would just look stupid"
yea way more stupid than allowing yourself to be photographed walking around in blackface...
daddio said:
I guess if you quit walking around looking to be offended, you wouldn't have anything to write about. Don't say it doesn't bother you because if it didn't you wouldn't have written about it.
Yup, just keep stirring the pot, then ask, "why?" It's amazing how folks like you judge "intent" of others when in by you have't a clue of the intent of Patrick Kane and Adam Burish.
It is a bit of a coincidence that you highlighted - as other whiners did - Patrick Kane, the superstar highly marketed youngster of the Chicago Blackhawks and not Adam Burish, a 4th liner, grinding, mix-it-up player. Just a coincidence.
You're the walking epitome of the decline of modern journalism.
ErnestWilkins said:
I'll take these in order.
1: Did you read this all the way through? "For the record, It's not that the actual act of having blackface on offends me, it doesn't."
2: No one's judging intent. I'm judging stupid vs. not-stupid decisions.
3: It's not a coincidence at all. The #1 overall pick and one of the poster boys for a franchise should get more attention to 4th liner. Especially a #1 pick who just finished getting out of an issue.
4: "You're the walking epitome of the decline of modern journalism." That title's WAYYY too big for lil' old me. I think the internet should win, but it's a pleasure to be nominated! That's a pretty big honor. Wow. I'll have to call my mom.
quiet fire said:
The recent incident occurring on Halloween Night involving the Chicago Blackhawks Adam Burish and Patrick Kane dressing in a 'blackface' portrayal of former Bulls greats Dennis Rodman and Scotty Pippen is a sad, disgusting and unfortunate affair. I don't pretend to know Burish and Kanes' motives or intentions for what they did. Thier actions may have been meant to honor or acknowledge thier basketball counterparts, but like all or most things racial, it blew up in thier faces. (Pun intended)
quiet fire said:
It's sad that these two fine young men, who are blessed with a wealth of atheleticism and ability are lacking in a basic, fundamental knowledge and sensitivity of racial and historical issues. But in defense of these youngsters, most Americans are lacking in these areas.(See Mike Kiley of the Tribune)
quiet fire said:
Any portrayal of an African-American in 'blackface' is disgusting. The reasons for it epitomize the racial intolerance of the overwhelming, vast majority of White People in general and White Americans in particular. America is a basicly racist nation, because most of our White Brothers and Sisters are not just racist, but sick with racism.
quiet fire said:
Unlike a lot of websites, the bloggers on this particular page appear to be very enlightened despite the fact that there are the usual number of ignorant,unsophisticated and unintelligle respondants. This is not meant as a put down, I'm just stating facts. Some of thier comments dsturb me, but I'm willing to ignore these people, because most of them can't help themselves and don't know any better.
quiet fire said:
Joanna Pelletier, you are obviously an intelligent woman. Your command of facts, figures, history and your insightful comments on the mistreatment of White People and other ethnic groups is impressive. Initially, I was very apprehensive about engaging you in any debate or discussion on any subject matter, because your obviously more educated than I am.
quiet fire said:
Joanna, it does not take a PhD. to see your glaring inconsistencies.' I'm ready to jump down your throat for one reason or another.' For example, as a Black Man I find it offensive that you made the statement 'were turning this into an issue of skin color.' while you bend over backwards to insult the cultures of Black and Italian People, while recognizing the great accomplishments of the great Polish-American General Kasamir Pulaski.
Joanna Pelletier said:
Hold the phone: I am *not* bending over backwards to insult Black and Italian people, nor am I apathetic toward bad things happening to people who did not deserve it. All I am trying to say is that everyone is/was repressed at one point in their lives/ ancestral history.
Before you judge me and call me a racist, sir, know a few things about me:
1. I love people of all ethnicities, or as many people still unfortunately say, "races". The word "race" essentially means "species", and the last time I checked, there was only one race, and that is the human race. Does my denouncement of the word "race" to separate people still make me a racist, quiet fire?
2. This a response you might expect, but I still think it's valid. I have friends who are Hispanic, Black, biracial, Asian, Middle Eastern, and White. My doctor is black, and I find bell hooks, Nikki Giovanni, Sarah Jones, India Arie, and other black women leaders/ entrepreneurs inspirational. I look up to them and have the utmost respect for them because they are symbols of strength and forward progression, not racist REGRESSION. Does my admiration for these women not count because I am white?
3. I take insult to you associating me with the people who are responsible for slavery and native genocide, quiet fire, especially because my ancestors came to this country in the early 1900s, well after all of that had gone down. The same thing goes for a lot of white Americans. Are you telling me that the blood is still on our hands even though our ancestors had nothing to do with slavery and genocide? Are the descendants of post-1860 immigrants still murderers and bigots because of their complexions?
4. I am a Catholic, and boy, is that one fun to defend. People still think it is okay to single out the Catholic Church as the only religious organization where sexual abuse is common--it isn't--and don't even bother to educate themselves about the Church's constant attempt to improve itself and bring those people to justice.This is extremely hurtful, primarily because my religion is the center of my action for peace, but also because these comments come from a society that claims to be tolerant. I invite you and any other readers to google "Protecting God's Children". Does my religion make me a racist, or is it the color of my skin that makes me racist?
5. The reason I made the statement about "moving on" is because I am an example of it. I was emotionally abused for one reason or another for a good portion of my life and the only way I could heal, move forward, and be successful was to confront my demons and attempt to let those things go. I remember those people and things every day, but the thing I try to tell myself in any situation is to "give other people a chance", because I know it isn't right to shut every single person off for the actions of a few people. I can't comprehend or empathize with 300 years of oppression and genocide, but I can empathize with the deep, intense pain associated with emotional abuse. It isn't fun, but we either choose to stay where we are or move on and make ourselves into stronger people. If it's any consolation, I apologize for offending you if I have. Am I still a racist?
6. You're talking to someone who actively works with kids in underprivileged communities, Invisible Children, and other efforts to eliminate oppression in the United States and Africa. I chose to become a part of these efforts because a) I believe in equal rights and advantages for all. period. b) I don't believe in standing idly by and c) I believe in moving forward and ethnic unification through good works and lovingkindness. Even though I volunteer with people in these demographics, am I still a latent, benign, and apathetic racist?
7. Question: wasn't the point of the Civil Rights Movement and Affirmative Action to delineate oppression and bring equal rights to women, black people, and people who were otherwise marinalized because they were not White Anglo-Saxon Protestant Males? Wasn't it a movement toward ethnic unification? Because if it was, recent events have made it quite clear that we haven't moved past Jim Crow. I think that if we actually want to move forward, then communal peace/ confrontation of past demons is the way to begin healing the wounds. Am I still a racist even if I want to meet people halfway and help heal wounds?
This whole matter is a two way street, and it seems that the problem is that people from both sides are refusing to meet one another in the middle.
I don't know if this made any difference in your eyes, quiet fire, but I really hope it does. Then again, it seems that whatever I say is wrong and racist, primarily because I am white, and probably even more so now because I told you I'm Catholic. So, I'm going to do the following:
I believe in amends, so I am going to walk out into the of my metaphorical traffic-ridden street and extend my hand to you, quiet fire. Even if you choose not to extend your hand to me, I am going to respect you as a human being who is reserved to his own thoughts, emotions, experiences, and feelings. In either respect, I wish you health, happiness, wealth, and the best of luck in your life.
Stylin19 said:
Very very nicely stated. I especially like the part about moving forward together. Its something we all need to do because every person no matter skin color, religion, gender, age or sexual orientation, we have all dealt with some kind of injustice. Yes, as a white middle class man, I may have not dealt with the same amount but lets stop pointing out our differences and like Joanna says unite. Again very nicely put Joanna.
quiet fire said:
If your not understanding my point,I'm only trying to say that when educated people like yourself advocate a 'benign neglect' point of view it makes you look uneducated and racist. This is neither good or ...
quiet fire said:
I apologize to you personally Joanna Pelletier and any other White Person I may have offended with my comments, but White People can never repay Native-Americans and African-Americans for the unspeakable crimes against humanity we have suffered and continue to suffer at thier behest. May the love of God heal our wounded souls. Love, Quiet Fire.
quiet fire said:
That Guy sounds like an educated fool. That Guy should be called by his real name. 'Grand Wizard' or is it 'Frankenberry' with that big head of yours. I'd rather be Starberry than Frankenberry.
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