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CTA riders: Students not a class act

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Here is today's "Going Public" column. I added feedback to the bottom of the column. Please post your comments below.

Michelle Jones of Irving Park has learned an important lesson from her morning bus ride: Commuting with students can be a pain.

Jones, 47, said her commute on the No. 80-Irving Park bus to the Brown Line was a "dream"--until September, when school started.

Jones said she now deals with students who "hog the middle of the CTA bus, refusing to move for anyone and barely letting anyone else by" or students who "cram into the back-door stairwell ... [like] a game of Twister gone wrong." ...

Jones isn't alone. Jane Gleason of Lakeview wrote to "Going Public" to complain about her former commute on the No. 152-Addison bus to the Addison Blue Line stop.

"Any commuter trying to get on the 152 west of the Red Line stop will often have to wait as anywhere from one to six buses--packed to the brim with students--fly by you while you patiently stand at your bus stop, Chicago Card in the air," Gleason, 23, wrote. "When I say that the buses are packed, I mean it. Not only are there kids in every seat and packed in the aisles, but they are packed so tight that they are squeezed up against the front door and the windshield."

About 93,000 Chicago Public Schools students, including elementary, high school and charter students, have CTA student fare cards, CPS spokeswoman Monique Bond said. Bond said she hasn't received any complaints about CPS students on CTA buses.
Some riders don't mind commuting with these students. Anne Wagemaker of Logan Square said she rides the No. 82-Kimball-Homan bus and two trains, packed with students, before 7 a.m. on weekdays.

"While the afternoon rambunctiousness of these same students might cause other riders to become annoyed, I am constantly impressed with these kids. Making an hour-long trip long before 7 a.m. to get to high school?" Wagemaker, 27, wrote. "They obviously have a serious stake in their education and future. I'm happy to share my morning with these lovely young people."

Too hot or cool for the CTA?
"GP" has received a few complaints about the temperature of CTA buses. The CTA said buses have electronically controlled heating and air conditioning systems programmed to maintain a consistent temperature.

Buses are automatically programmed to keep the inside temperature at about 72 degrees, via air conditioning in the summer, and about 68 degrees, via the heating system, in the winter. If there is a problem with a bus getting too hot or too cold, maintenance personnel are assigned to handle repairs. The CTA encourages riders to contact them at 1-888-YOUR-CTA if they notice a temperature problem.

Here is some feedback regarding the column.

Shawn J. Mayberry wrote: "Although I know student riders can be annoying, but with the recent events that have been taking place amongst our youth I think that it is pertinent that our youth interacts with various people. And we've seen what happens when bystanders are silent. See something inappropriate say something."
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A 48-year-old Edgewater man wrote: "I was reading your Oct 27, 2009, article on commuting with students as I used to commute also with students on the CTA's No. 92 Foster bus. I found the commute interesting as far as the things the students say and what some of the males carry in their pockets!"
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Peter Wiggin wrote: "I can't believe your most recent article about student commuters. I'm a freshman in high school, and I take a train and a bus to school every day. None of my friends 'hog the middle of the CTA bus, refusing to move for anyone and barely letting anyone else by,' but I can guarantee that if they did, they would be met with scorn from the other kids.

And so what if poor Jane Gleason waits while bus after bus passes her by packed with kids? We are paying citizens with the same rights as her. If six buses full of old men passed her by, I doubt she would complain to RedEye about them.

Of course, there are rude young children out there in Chicago. There are also rude adults who refuse to yield their seats for anyone. Riding with any of those people is 'a pain.' The way you grouped all children together was unfair. Would you grow up a bit?"
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Carly Pearline, 25, of Lakeview wrote:
"My reaction to the article 'Rider: Students not a class act' about the abundance of students on the No. 80 Irving Park and No. 152 Addison bus was that of shock and disgust.

I read the article just minutes ago and am writing this as I ride on the No. 80 Irving Park bus headed west from Lakeview. Yes, there are a swarm of high school kids around me, yes they are filling up the bus -- but they are going to school!

To get an education! How do these 'complainers' propose these kids get to school everyday? And was it really so long ago that they themselves were 14, 15, 16, awake WAY earlier than they would like to be but trucking along, awkwardly socializing, making their way to and through high school?

My advice to the adults complaining about their oh-so-difficult morning bus rides, get over it! Deal with it!

We're adults with options, choices and supposed maturity. If these students are such a burden to you I suggest you choose a different mode of transportation in the morning; let them make their way."

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James Reyes said:

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School is mandatory in most cases,so they may not be attending for noble reasons.Regardless,students should show common courtesy.

Michelle E. Jones said:

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Thank you James. That's all I personally was saying. The buses that pass my stop everyday are not full. They are half full. Do I mind riding the bus with students? No. Even the very loud ones are often amusing. Do I mind being left at a bus stop while bus, after, 1/2 full bus passes me by? Uh... yes. When did common courtesy become too much to ask for from another human being, student or otherwise? Understandable, these students have a place to be, and regardless of what type of reduced fare they pay, they have every right to ride the bus like everyone else, with emphasis on "Like... everyone... else" But they don't have the right to block the front and back doors while socializing with their BFF's. They do not have the right to stay seated gossiping amongst themselves when an elderly or differently abled person needs a seat in the priority seating section. They definitely do not have the right to cram into the front section of the bus blocking the driver's view of the mirrors. These students may think that socializing in this manner is ok, but some of their behavior can be potentially detrimental to their own well being. If I read a story in the paper soon that one of these kids has fallen off the back of a bus because of the way they choose to cram the doorways, I won't be surprised. Saddened, but not surprised.

I take the form of transportation that is my best option to get to and from where I need to be and I should not have to alter my plans because students are allowed to be rude on public transportation.

Zach Mayer said:

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I think you're all missing the point. What Jane and others are trying to say, is that either CPS needs to provide bussing for the kids, or CTA needs to provide additional buses on routes on which students frequent. Of course those paying customers have a right for a seat on the bus, but the CTA needs to account for this spike in traffic as they do when they run express buses during the Cubs games.

James Reyes said:

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Zach,so rude or thoughtless students can continue make it impossible to board half empty buses ,you want the broke C.T.A. or the broke school system to provide more buses?

jode said:

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I know I am getting my licks in late and its not really the cta but pace I ride with students but really can't they just get on and sit down? whats with the fight to stand on either doorway?
And god the packs take up as much room as an extra person
I just step on as many toes as I can on my way out.

sg said:

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when do you take the bus? When i leave for school there is barely anyone on the bus for a good 20 blocks (Narragansett-Blue Line).

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