What is it with baseball players and the Chicago Cubs having to overpay for them all? There has to be some explanation for it. I mean even if we don't sign them because it would cost us a lot, they sign for way less than it would have cost us. Henry Blanco - made 2.5 million/yr, therefore we do not resign him. Goes and signs for 750,000/yr. Milton Bradley gets 3 yrs 30 million... all other outfield possibilities get way less. Why do we seem to always make the bad signing lately? Ha... Soriano too.
I have been a Cub fan for 63 years - but I think it may be time to call it quits. Last years "eliminations/additions" - Derosa, Wood, Blanco, Miles, Bradley, Gregg - and this year I watch Grandeson get a way and Harden and possibly Reed Johnson and Jake Fox - and nothing but maybe a weak trade of Bradley - is too much for even the most die hard to take. If good players as great people with a will to win and success does not happen now - I will turn in my Cubs heart along with them. And yes - the Yankees continue to do it again - how sickening.
Let me get this straight . . . you've been a fan since 1946? A) With all you've been through, there's no way the last 12 months have pushed you over the edge, and B) On the minuscule chance that you're the problem, I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to resign from fandom. It's nothing personal, it's just that things have been going so well since you've come on board. :)
And do you know what they are? Both these guys managed to be league average pitchers for their careers. That makes them pretty good pitchers to slot in the #4 or #5 spot in the rotation. If the Cubs don't make a move, I'm guessing at least one of the starters isn't going to be worse than that.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion - even if you want to me to resign - I think cubbie julie says it correctly - it is not much fun to be a Cub fan right now. We were 0-4 last year and the Yankees were 4-4 - not to mention Abreu signing with Angels, and Phillies getting a major contribuition with their left fielder. But not trading an unknown shortstop who has never payed above AA and getting a first class citizen - defense minded CF - and a better hitter than anyone else on the Cub roster contribution wise in 2008 - get real. I am slo in favor of bringing back Derosa - signing a guy like Ben Sheets - trading a Wells/Gorzelany/Vitters and going after Halliday for the rotation - and yes - even trading back for Kerry Wood - because I know the Indians will eat some bucks.
To me, this is Hendry's biggest fault. He falls in love with young guys and refuses to give them up until their value is seriously diminished, OR he gets a mancrush on some player (coughBrianRobertscough) and spends YEARS trying to sign him, even when he's past his prime.
You're right, none of the moves from last offseason worked out very well. Hendry has undone all of the additions he made to the major league club, I think, with the exception of whatever Bradley deal he's working on now. But even with that and the injuries the team suffered through, this team was still better than the majority of the other teams the Cubs have fielded over the last . . . 63 years.
All that said, the handful of moves Hendry made last year weren't the reason the Cubs performed so poorly, and it's unlikely he'll be able to make very many moves this year to reverse that trend either. People hoping a guy like Granderson could transform the entire team into a winner are putting too much stock in the intangibles. They're called intangibles because there's no real proof that they affect the outcome of baseball games at all.
But don't resign. It won't help the Cubs. It could help your overall satisfaction, but I doubt you'll be able to stay away.
I agree for the most part, EXCEPT that if he hadn't traded DeRosa, we wouldn't have been stuck with Fontenot and Miles in the lineup every freakin' day when Aramis went down. That combination KILLED us.
That. Did. Suck. That's what people miss so often. Hendry didn't replace DeRosa w/ Bradley, he replaced him with Fontemiles. But how Fontenot and Miles turned out to be as bad as they were . . . ugh. That was magical.
Well... this is just no good. He should have held out and gotten the multi-year MAJOR LEAGUE contract HE DESERVED!!! I SAY WE ALL WALK OUT AND NOT WATCH BASEBALL! HEEYAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I agree that injuries were a factor - yet they are part of the game. Look at the Yankees - and maybe that is unfair - but ARod was out over a month - Wang the whole year - Matsui could only DH - Damon was out for a while - and sure they spent a ton - but they spent it wisely - on quality people as well and they started again. One does not have to spend it all like them - but keeping the good that you have and adding to it is what any GM is supposed to do. Grabow was the only good thing done last year And are we sure Wells will do it again or be another Rich Hill - who is a good guy but did not sustain performance. Hendry could not pull the trigger on Peavy - but Williams could? on Granderson but Ca$hman could? - or Harden for one year but the Rangers could? Who really wants Byrd instead of Reed Johnson? Let's go back and get talent with character - Sandberg - Sarge - Sutcliffe - and yeah even sometimes injured Scott Sanderson. What is the difference between Sanderson and Harden anyway - they are good guys to have on the club. You keep 12 pitchers anyway - what is wrong with 5 or 6 very good innings from Harden - or entrusting your 4th starter into someone like Rich Hart (gone) Sean Gallegher - gone - Rich Hill - gone - Todd Wellemeyer - Felix Pie gone all prospects held onto and then let go and what does one get in return? Tom Gorzelany? Why not take a shot at Toronto and get Halladay? At this point - attitude or not - you keep Bradley or yo eat the salry - you don't make another bad trade.
Well, Julie, don't know if you've looked at the schedule, but I laughed (again: maniacal laugh) when I saw what happens in May. Cubs play Rangers during interleague. My birthday weekend, coincidentally.
31 Comments
millertime said:
Maybe we'll trade Milton Bradley to the Rangers for Rich Harden?
It's Gonna Happen!
flyball said:
again,
Dear Cubs,
Thanks for everything, but a little good news would be appreciated.
Love,
Flyball
JulieDiCaro said:
I would settle for news that Hendry is doing ANYTHING other than hanging out at the buffet.
Proggy said:
I don't even think the Cubs can even afford him there anymore.
JulieDiCaro said:
heh.
hello, love.
JulieDiCaro said:
How can we come up with $4 million for Grabow but not $7.5 for Rich? AAAAARRRGGGHHHHHH!
flyball said:
because Grabow took 4 of the 7.5 million
summerguy said:
I'm curious as to how someone managed to take a picture of him in the bathroom.
Edelweiss said:
One of his team mates takes lots of pictures of the Cubs players in various stages of undress, often without their knowledge.
summerguy said:
What is it with baseball players and the Chicago Cubs having to overpay for them all? There has to be some explanation for it. I mean even if we don't sign them because it would cost us a lot, they sign for way less than it would have cost us. Henry Blanco - made 2.5 million/yr, therefore we do not resign him. Goes and signs for 750,000/yr. Milton Bradley gets 3 yrs 30 million... all other outfield possibilities get way less. Why do we seem to always make the bad signing lately? Ha... Soriano too.
cubsforever said:
I have been a Cub fan for 63 years - but I think it may be time to call it quits. Last years "eliminations/additions" - Derosa, Wood, Blanco, Miles, Bradley, Gregg - and this year I watch Grandeson get a way and Harden and possibly Reed Johnson and Jake Fox - and nothing but maybe a weak trade of Bradley - is too much for even the most die hard to take. If good players as great people with a will to win and success does not happen now - I will turn in my Cubs heart along with them. And yes - the Yankees continue to do it again - how sickening.
AndCounting said:
Let me get this straight . . . you've been a fan since 1946? A) With all you've been through, there's no way the last 12 months have pushed you over the edge, and B) On the minuscule chance that you're the problem, I'm gonna go ahead and ask you to resign from fandom. It's nothing personal, it's just that things have been going so well since you've come on board. :)
JulieDiCaro said:
It's definitely not fun to be a Cubs fan right now. Not fun at all.
On top of leaving us with a shitty team, they're letting all the scenary walk away!
Death2FlyingThings said:
Jason Marquis is still available!
JulieDiCaro said:
Ha! Tim from Aisle424 said it best: "Marquis is French for 'Traschel.'"
FrankS said:
And do you know what they are? Both these guys managed to be league average pitchers for their careers. That makes them pretty good pitchers to slot in the #4 or #5 spot in the rotation. If the Cubs don't make a move, I'm guessing at least one of the starters isn't going to be worse than that.
cubsforever said:
Everyone's entitled to an opinion - even if you want to me to resign - I think cubbie julie says it correctly - it is not much fun to be a Cub fan right now. We were 0-4 last year and the Yankees were 4-4 - not to mention Abreu signing with Angels, and Phillies getting a major contribuition with their left fielder. But not trading an unknown shortstop who has never payed above AA and getting a first class citizen - defense minded CF - and a better hitter than anyone else on the Cub roster contribution wise in 2008 - get real. I am slo in favor of bringing back Derosa - signing a guy like Ben Sheets - trading a Wells/Gorzelany/Vitters and going after Halliday for the rotation - and yes - even trading back for Kerry Wood - because I know the Indians will eat some bucks.
JulieDiCaro said:
To me, this is Hendry's biggest fault. He falls in love with young guys and refuses to give them up until their value is seriously diminished, OR he gets a mancrush on some player (coughBrianRobertscough) and spends YEARS trying to sign him, even when he's past his prime.
AndCounting said:
You're right, none of the moves from last offseason worked out very well. Hendry has undone all of the additions he made to the major league club, I think, with the exception of whatever Bradley deal he's working on now. But even with that and the injuries the team suffered through, this team was still better than the majority of the other teams the Cubs have fielded over the last . . . 63 years.
All that said, the handful of moves Hendry made last year weren't the reason the Cubs performed so poorly, and it's unlikely he'll be able to make very many moves this year to reverse that trend either. People hoping a guy like Granderson could transform the entire team into a winner are putting too much stock in the intangibles. They're called intangibles because there's no real proof that they affect the outcome of baseball games at all.
But don't resign. It won't help the Cubs. It could help your overall satisfaction, but I doubt you'll be able to stay away.
JulieDiCaro said:
I agree for the most part, EXCEPT that if he hadn't traded DeRosa, we wouldn't have been stuck with Fontenot and Miles in the lineup every freakin' day when Aramis went down. That combination KILLED us.
AndCounting said:
That. Did. Suck. That's what people miss so often. Hendry didn't replace DeRosa w/ Bradley, he replaced him with Fontemiles. But how Fontenot and Miles turned out to be as bad as they were . . . ugh. That was magical.
JulieDiCaro said:
EXACTLY. This has been my point all season. I was never comparing DeRosa to Bradley--I was longing for DeRosa instead of Miles/Fontenot.
GAH.
Edelweiss said:
Actually, DeRosa was replaced with Miles. Fontenot was already there.
JulieDiCaro said:
I know that. I mean as a starting 2nd baseman he was replaced with a platoon of Fontenot and Miles.
Death2FlyingThings said:
It's always fun to be a Cubs fan. Why give up on these brilliant conversations?
JulieDiCaro said:
The last thing we have ever claimed was to be brilliant.
summerguy said:
Well... this is just no good. He should have held out and gotten the multi-year MAJOR LEAGUE contract HE DESERVED!!! I SAY WE ALL WALK OUT AND NOT WATCH BASEBALL! HEEYAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/mariners-sign-corey-patterson.html
summerguy said:
just kidding... Korey sucks hard. But the longer he continues to somehow stay employed in the MLB, the funnier it gets.
JulieDiCaro said:
and the more chance there is Hendry will give him a multi-year contract.
cubsforever said:
I agree that injuries were a factor - yet they are part of the game. Look at the Yankees - and maybe that is unfair - but ARod was out over a month - Wang the whole year - Matsui could only DH - Damon was out for a while - and sure they spent a ton - but they spent it wisely - on quality people as well and they started again. One does not have to spend it all like them - but keeping the good that you have and adding to it is what any GM is supposed to do. Grabow was the only good thing done last year And are we sure Wells will do it again or be another Rich Hill - who is a good guy but did not sustain performance. Hendry could not pull the trigger on Peavy - but Williams could? on Granderson but Ca$hman could? - or Harden for one year but the Rangers could? Who really wants Byrd instead of Reed Johnson? Let's go back and get talent with character - Sandberg - Sarge - Sutcliffe - and yeah even sometimes injured Scott Sanderson. What is the difference between Sanderson and Harden anyway - they are good guys to have on the club. You keep 12 pitchers anyway - what is wrong with 5 or 6 very good innings from Harden - or entrusting your 4th starter into someone like Rich Hart (gone) Sean Gallegher - gone - Rich Hill - gone - Todd Wellemeyer - Felix Pie gone all prospects held onto and then let go and what does one get in return? Tom Gorzelany? Why not take a shot at Toronto and get Halladay? At this point - attitude or not - you keep Bradley or yo eat the salry - you don't make another bad trade.
lotus said:
Well, Julie, don't know if you've looked at the schedule, but I laughed (again: maniacal laugh) when I saw what happens in May. Cubs play Rangers during interleague. My birthday weekend, coincidentally.
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