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Chicago Cubs Live Game Thread: So long, Grumpy

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This is what I've been afraid of all along.

As you've probably heard by now, Milton Bradley was suspended by the Cubs for the rest of the season following a couple of incidents over the last few days.

No doubt, there are many people out there blaming the fans, the Cubs, and the media for Bradley's failure. In their eyes, everyone was out to get Bradley from the start, he was never given fair shake, and this is just more proof of the inherent idiocy and racism in Chicago sports fans.

Several weeks ago, LOHO did a podcast on Cubs fans and racism. Anticipating the "Milton deserves a second chance" and "How come fans don't get as down on Zambrano and Lilly for the same kind of thing!" arguments, I prepared the following. It's a history of Milton's time in professional baseball.

I in no way intend this to further dismantle Milton's already very tarnished reputation, but rather to make the point that, rather than being a victim, Milton is a person who has had far more chances in life than most of us simply because he can hit a baseball.

Let's take a look:

  •  April 1, 1999: While playing in Montreal's minor league system, Milton was suspended after he spit on an umpire following an ejection for charging the mound.

  • July 19, 2000: Milton's MLB debut with the Expos

  • July 31, 2001: Milton traded to Cleveland after one year with the big club

  • Sometime in 2002: Milton is  removed by police from a Cleveland Restaurant after he refuses to leave, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

  • During the 2003 season, Bradley has "run-ins" with Paul Lo Duca and Jason Giambi, and reportedly had baseball cards of them taped above his locker in Cleveland

  • During the 2003 season, Bradley reportedly tossed his helmet and bat in the direction of Bruce Froemming.

  • September/October, 2003: Milton is pulled from a game afteran altercation with manager Eric Wedge, stemming from Wedge's allegation that Milton failed to run out a pop-up.  

  • February, 2003: Bradley is sentenced to 3 days in jail for yelling at and then driving away from a police officer who was attempting to give him a ticket for speeding. 

  • March, 2004: Milton is barred from Indian's training camp after Wedge again pulls Milton aside and tells him he failed to run out a pop-up. While all sides state the exchange was not heated, the Indians claim the disrepect Milton showed to Wedge in front of his teammates was the last straw

  • While in LA (and I'm sorry I don't have dates for this stuff) Bradley reportedly hurled a bag of baseballs onto the field (not that big of a deal), called a black reporter an "uncle tom," called Jeff Kent "a racist," threw a water bottle back at a fan (who, to be fair, threw it at him first), and spent 3 days in an Ohio Jail for violating the terms of his probation.
  • Summer of 2005: The most disturbign allegations against Bradley stem from the police being called to his home on three separate occasions for domestic violence incidents in one summer, the final of which involved his pregnant wife running to the neighbors to call for help. When the police arrived. the found his wife with a fat lip, finger marks on her neck, and her cell phone smashed against the wall. You can mental gymnastics this one up all you want. But as someone who has spent years representing both domestic violence victims AND alleged batterers, I can tell you that this one is a slam dunk in any courtroom in the country. The fact that the police didn't arrest him means nothing more than the victim probably changed her mind about pressing charges. The fact that he's the once that filed for divorce means even less than that.
  • December 13, 2005: Milton is traded to Oakland, after spending less than a year in LA.
  • June 21, 2007: Bradley is DFAd by Oakland
  • June 29, 2007: While playing in San Diego, Milton is injured in a now infamous incident involving umpire Mike Winters.  Milton's first-base coach tears Milton's ACL while wrestling him to the ground.  Milton says Winters called him a racial slurs. Winters was suspended.
  • 2008: Milton signs with the Rangers
  • June 12 (ish), 2008: While playing against KC, Bradley attempts to get into the press box to confront announcer Ryan Lefebre, who Milton says was being unfair to him. Rangers GM Josh Daniels chases after Bradley and stops him, but not before police are called.  Later, Bradley breaks down in tears in the clubhouse in front of reporters. During this time, Bradley states that he wants reporters to talk to him ask him questions so that they can get to know "the real him." 
  • Winter, 2009: Bradley is signed by the Cubs. In the short time that he's been here, Bradley has: 1) been suspended (thought i agree this was BS), 2) the umps of being out to get him, 3) stated that he doesn't feel close to any of his Cubs teammates 4) gotten into an altercation with and kicked out of a game by Lou, 5) called the fans "racist," 6) derided his teammates for giving the press "politically correct" answers, and 7) complained about having to play day games.

 

The straw/s that finally broke the camel's back appear to be Bradley's refusal to answer the media's questions about his knee a day or so ago, coupled with an interview he gave with Bruce Miles (for my money the best sports reporter in this town), in which Bradley said the following about the Cubs:

"It's just not a positive environment. I need a stable, healthy, enjoyable environment. There's too many people everywhere in your face with a microphone asking the same questions repeatedly. Everything is just bashing you. You got out there and you play harder than anybody on the field and never get credit for it. It's just negativity.

"And you understand why they haven't won in 100 years here, because it's negative. It's what it is."

Asked whether he was talking about the fans, the media or even the Cubs organization, he replied: "It's everything. It's everybody."

However, he would not go so far as to say he regretted coming to Chicago.

"No, I made the decision," he said. It is what it is."

Exactly.

It's everything, it's everybody. The whole world is out to get him: the umpire in Montreal, the cops in Cleveland, Jeff Kent in LA, Eric Wedge in Cleveland, the media in every city he's ever played in, Mike Winters, Cubs fans, his teammates, his ex-wife. Everyone is against Milton. He never had a chance.

I hear a lot of people say "His teammates have always said he's a great teammate." I kind of doubt that. I searched the internet high and low and really couldn't come up with a single incident of a teammate sticking up for Milton, unless you count the innocuous "he's a good guy, he needs to know that his teammates are behind him" when asked. And I haven't heard much from his teammates this year. Where are the former teammates telling the press what a great guy he is? Where are the CURRENT teammates telling the press to back off?

 I wasn't thrilled about the Cubs singing Milton Bradley, but once he was here, I was determined to give him a chance. And before you roll your eyes, I've written at least two diaries chastising the Chicago media for the way they've treated Milton. But I, like most of the fans, was done with him by the end of July. I'm sure many will call it racism. I call it everything listed above combined with a slow start and a tendency to blame everyone else for it.

And let's be clear. Racism in any form has no place Chicago or any other city. Do I believe it happened? Sure I do. Do I believe it happened often? No. Do I believe Milton's hanging on to the racism card for dear life in order to excuse yet another season in which his mouth ran him out of town? Absolutely.

Am I happy this happened? Of course not. Bradley is a fantastic hitter who adds a ton to our lineup. Was this foreseeable? I think it was. And I have no idea why no one in the Cubs organization prepared Milton for the pressure of playing in Chicago. At the very least, the guy could have had some sessions with a therapist or a PR guru.

I wish Milton Bradley the best, I really do. As much of a pain as it was to read his bellyaching in the paper day-after-day, it must be nothing compared to what it's like to live inside his head. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Cubs play on ESPN tonight. Carlos Zambrano vs. Adam Wainwright. First post-Milty lineup of the year to come.

UPDATE: here come the comments from the teammates:

"At the end of the day, he was provided a great opportunity to be part of a really great organization with a lot of really good guys," Dempster said. "It just didn't seem to make him happy- anything. Hopefully this is a little bit of a wake-up call for him and he'll realize how good of a gig you have. It probably became one of those things where you start saying things that you're putting the blame on everybody else.

"Sometimes you've just got to look in the mirror and realize that maybe the biggest part of the problem is yourself and (not) wanting to be here and play every day, and wanting to have some fun. it didn't seem like he wanted to have some fun, even from spring training.

"Hopefully this is something that can be good for his career and good for him as a person."

Hendry told Bradley in his hotel room he was suspended for the rest of the season. Bradley is unlikely to return in 2010.

Most of the players believed that Bradley was suspended for good reason.

"If a guy gets suspended, I'm sure he did something to deserve it," Lee said. "It's not something you see every day. I'm sure it's not an easy decision to make, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do."

Lee was friends with Bradley, but the two were not close off the field. Lee called it "a pretty serious situation" that could affect Bradley's career.

"If you're serious about wanting to continue your career- you don't want to finish the season suspended," he said. "My adevice would be to talk to the people you need to talk to and maybe apologize if that's what you need to do, or interpret what was going on for the situation that got you suspended."

Lee called Bradley after Bradley got into a confrontation with Lou Piniella at the Cell and was sent home from a game in June. But he doesn't expect to call him about the suspension.

"I had no problems with Milton personally," he said. "If he called me, I'd answer the phone. This is a different situation. I would let him reach out to me on this one. He's suspended for the season. There's not much I can do to help him on that one. I think if he needed to talk, I'd talk to him."

Ramirez was surprised, but defended Hendry for making the right decision.

"I've never seen that before," Ramirez said. "I've never seen a GM suspend a player for something he's been doing or something he said in the paper. But Jim (Hendry) has a point. if you don't want to be here, send him home."

Ramirez said he never got to know Bradley and they rarely spoke. He disputed Bradley's comment to the Daily Herald that there was constant "negativity" surrounding the organization.

"I don't think so," he said. "When you make the playoffs two years in a row, there's no negativity here. I've been here since '03 and we've been in the playoffs three times, so we're doing pretty good."

And as for the media negativity Bradley referred to?

"You've guys have got to do your job, and we have to do ours," he said. "If you don't want to talk to the media, don't talk. But if you do something good or something bad, the media is going to be there."

(snip)

Bradley told the Tribune in June he felt "isolated" in the clubhouse. Johnson, Dempster and others disputed that comment.

"From our standpoint, nobody was making an effort to isolate him from groups," Johnson said. "For the most part, that was his choice."

 

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JulieDiCaro said:

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I just had a Tweep tell me that there are a bunch of misstatements in this piece. I took all the information from MSM articles (ESPN, mostly, not Paul Sullivan). If people can show me what's incorrect, I'll fix it. I have no interest in spreading untruths about anyone.

thisyearcub said:

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I don't know if it's misstatements as much as there's just a lot of "reportedly," "allegedly" and "according tos."

Also, racism happening just one time, not often, should be enough.

But the bottom line is, this just isn't a good fit. Period. Unfortunately, I doubt the Cubs will be getting much in return, if anything, when they unload a really good player. Too bad it couldn't work out, and hopefully this won't damage future things, a la what Torii Hunter did.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I put those in. The articles I took all those incidents from reported them as facts. And it was about 20 different media sources.

But I agree that the whole thing sucks all around. He's going to be radioactive and impossible to move after this.

Ed Nickow said:

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I tweeted about this ...

Bradley suspended / I say good riddance, Milton / Keep your big mouth shut

Here's one reply I got ...

Here you go. That boy should just up and play like good negro, right?

I thought we settled all this racism stuff on the podcast a couple of weeks ago.

I guess there will always be people who just don't get why some of us hate this guy.

... sigh ...

millertime said:

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I don't think it's a matter of racism as much as I think it's fans being stupid. Bradley is sort of a jerk sometimes, but we knew that coming in. And knowing that, the media and sports radio people went right after him all season long. I blame sports writers like Phil Rogers and Paul Sullivan, and fans who bitch and moan and never bother to look at what they're saying. It is complete bullshit when fans say that MB is overpaid and sucks, when he is only being paid $5 mil this year and leads the team in OBP.

For the record, I don't know why people hate this guy. But then, I'm not bothered when I see a player I feel is being harassed by media take a negative stance against fans. Wanting a player off the team because you think he should "just shut up!" just seems stupid to me.

Other than hitting .350 and crushing 30 HR there wasn't much else that Bradley could have done to get people to like him. Asking a guy to just shut up and only say things that you find acceptable, and to say the same old "I only care about winning and not money or anything else and I don't care when people boo me" is very selfish and unrealistic. I'd rather see a guy speak his mind. But screw it. The Mob got what they wanted. Lets trade Bradley, start Fuld, and get used to a long season of losing games next year.

Perkins said:

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Thank you. This is a much less abrasive summation of what I've been trying to say about this.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i really don't understand this point of view at all. a guy is an ass to the fans, the umps, and apparently his teammates from the moment he gets here, but when he gets run out of town, it's the fault of the fans and media. what the fuck ever.

what do you say about people like me? i defended him against the media and i still think he's a jackass. i didn't want him to leave, but i'm not sorry to see him go.

i just want one person defending him to admit that he has any culpability in this whatsoever. whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Perkins said:

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He is responsible for his actions, that's true.

The only thing I really take issue with is that he threw his teammates under the bus. That is straight up unacceptable. There's no excuse for doing that, and that alone warrants a suspension and a fine.

As to calling out the media and fans who have been going for his throat all season, I can understand that. I think it would have been more constructive of him to say something like, "People like Paul Sullivan, specifically Paul Sullivan, have been rooting for me to fail all season, and have been misrepresenting things I say and do all season. If I did my job as poorly as he did his, then I'd have been fired by now. And to all the fans who love booing...please just think about how you'd feel if I came to your offices and heckled you all through the day, saying you sucked at getting reports in on time and shit like that, and booed you right next to your desk. You probably wouldn't like it."

That said, after all that's gone down, I understand his saying most of what he did.

JulieDiCaro said:

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well, you and i have discussed this at length today, i don't think either of us is going to change anyone's mind.

mostly, i blame hendry for EVER thinking this would work and for giving him 3 backloaded years.

Perkins said:

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It's really unfortunate. The thing that worries me is that this whole debacle may sour prospective free agents from signing with the Cubs. Torii Hunter has already stated explicitly that he wouldn't accept a trade to the Cubs because of the fans, and while I think he's a very overrated player, it's disturbing to hear from any player.

Perkins said:

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Basically I agree that he has been abrasive and has said some bad things, but I also think it's unreasonable to expect players to sit there and take it when fans treat them like shit. All it does is empower the worst elements of a fanbase and show them that they bear no responsibility for their own actions.

Buying a ticket isn't a license to make a complete ass of oneself.

JulieDiCaro said:

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My problem with hism is that he always seems to think EVERYONE is treating him like shit. He's the guy who hears one or two idiots and tunes out all the other people pulling for him.

Dempster appears to say it started in ST, which jibes with what I've heard from someone else who is in the lockerrom on a daily basis.

Perkins said:

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I agree that he's a bit paranoid, but it's not like he wasn't getting booed on a daily basis. The converse is true in that it's hard to hear the people pulling for you when you hear the ones booing so loudly and the writers finding any reason to attack you.

This thing is a shit sandwich.

JulieDiCaro said:

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But that wasn't happening, really, until after the ASB. And I was out in RF on many occasions when EVERONE was yelling positive things at him, and he never even turned around. There was no way he could have NOT heard it. But he acts like he's entitled to the praise, and completely offended by the criticism (and no, I don't mean racism). Hell, until he called the fans racist, Soriano was getting booed worse than anyone.

millertime said:

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I admit, he causes his own problems, he's a grouch, and a jackass. But I don't think this would have escalated to where it got if people would have just left him alone and stopped making mountains out of molehills.

I don't have a problem with fans like you, you generally make rational opinions about players. From the start you called MB an ass, and it turned out you were right. He is an ass. So good for you. I don't have problems with people who don't like him, I have problems with people (not you) who seem to turn a blind eye to any good thing he does on the field, and places all the blame on MB. I haven't read or seen anything from Milton Bradley that makes me want him off the Cubs.

So yeah, he has culpability. It takes two to tango, and Bradley has provided plenty of ammunition. But like I said earlier, I feel that unless Bradley OPSed something ridiculous, fans were still going to get on his case for "being that overpaid selfish free agent mistake". Bottom line is that fans wanted a scapegoat, and now they have one. So yeah, I blame other forces more than I blame Bradley.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Good for me? Do you think I'm enjoying this? Because I'm not enjoying my team having to eat $25 million because they mangled managing a player who we will now have a hell of a time moving. I would have hoped they'd have learned their lesson after Sammy.

If you will recall, I also said about 1,000 times that I hoped I was wrong, because I knew people were going to come back and claim that I got my way or that I was happy or something. I'm not.

I also think it's rewriting history to say that they fans were on him from the start. I'm sure some were. I know certain writers were. But I didn't really see the fans turning on him until around the ASB. When he got suspended in April (May?) I remember being amazed that so many fans were on his side. Not because he was wrong, but because I figured it wouldn't take much for them to turn on him.

When they finally gave up on him, it wasn't because of his performance on the field as much as because of his comments to the media. I really do believe that if he'd just kept his mouth shut, the fans would have forgotted about all the stupid things he said once he started hitting.

But, in true Milton fashion, he can't just be happy that people are cheering for him, he has to make some sort of "oh sure, NOW you like me" thing out of it. you can say the fans never gave him a chance, but you also have to say that, after a certain point, he wasn't going to give the fans a chance, either.

millertime said:

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Fans were on Bradley once he started slumping and the team tanked late May. It didn't take much for fans to turn on him.

I don't think you're happy you're right, I was just trying to acknowledge that I was wrong about Bradley being able to fit in. I didn't think things would get so sour this season.

I can't say enough that I realize Milton is a jerk and has a combative nature. Yeah, it sucks that he never seems happy. But so what? There are plenty of other players on the team to root for. I just don't understand why people get so upset about it. I didn't find his interview offensive.

JulieDiCaro said:

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But they were on Lee, too. And Gregg. It wasn't focused on him. That's my point.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i'm not upset about that. i do get upset about this idea of "groupthink" amongst Cub fans, like we're all part of some giant, mouth-breathing organism incapable of rational thought. when i think of 'cubs fans,' i think of the people here, and the people at acb, and the guys at the old '1060 west.' and i am bothered by the constant reference to cubs fans as "stupid." because what it comes out sounding like is "people who are disagree with me are stupid."

Perkins said:

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I look at it this way: people such as we, who will waste time blogging about the Cubs, are probably a cut above the average fan in terms of knowledge of and interest in the game. Read the comments on the Cubs' website or after articles in the Trib or Sun-Times, and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The idea that people on BTI still know more than most Cubs fans is utterly terrifying to me, and yet I don't doubt it. That's why some of us take shots at Cubs fans. On the whole, Cubs fans probably aren't much worse than fans of any other team, but we have to deal with them more often.

millertime said:

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I don't think all people who disagree with me are stupid at all. I just think that some arguments are stupid. Also Irish. Oh those Irish!

Perkins said:

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Yeah, the Irish are wankers.

JulieDiCaro said:

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eh. i'll admit that something about Bradley offends my midwestern sense of politeness and decorum (AGAIN, NOT ABOUT RACISM). I just don't think it's how professional adults in any field should conduct themselves. I prefer my players to be more like Derrek Lee or Eric Karros or Ryne Sandberg before he went batshit crazy and started getting tossed from every game.

But I realize that this is just me.

Perkins said:

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I just think everyone has a breaking point, and if someone stood at my office and heckled me all day, then I'd probably lash out at some point as well.

JulieDiCaro said:

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again, i don't believe that was what was going on. i was at a lot of games and i never saw that.

secondly, before it was the fans it was the umpires and then his teammates and not feeling "comfortable" and all that crap.

he's just a miserable person.

millertime said:

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We agree on something! Bradley blaming the umps was bad and wrong! It was Badong!

oog of ulams said:

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If you don't want the Cubs to suck butt next year, ya really SHOULD be sorry to see him go.

thisyearcub said:

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Don't forget about trading Z!

Also, your second paragraph is right on, my friend.

Ed Nickow said:

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Still stuck in my mind is the game on August 26th. This was just when the racism charges had hit the fan, and the day after Bradley went 4-for-4.

Fans cheered when he was introduced. Then he hit a 2-run homerun which (as I recall) gave the Cubs the lead.

The fans in right field were cheering, they were leaning over the basket to show their appreciation.

Bradley ignored them ... he just played catch with Fukudome waiting for the inning to start.

He complains when fans don't cheer, then ignores them when they do. It has nothing to do with "only say[ing] things that [fans] find acceptable."

It has to do with being as asshole.

Fans get pissed at Soriano for playing poorly. I think he should have been DL'd because of his sore knee. But he didn't blame the fans for the sore knee. He plays when he's hurt - I think that's a mistake but still, he doesn't look for excuses.

Zambrano stuggles, throws tantrums, is lazy, etc. Fans get upset. He doesn't blame the fans - he (belatedly) admits he's making mistakes.

Bradley fails to keep track of the number of outs in an inning and says he just wanted to give a gift to the fans. He acts like it's not a big deal.

I say, good riddance.

millertime said:

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Bradley didn't complain that fans don't cheer, he complained that he got booed all the time. I get that he's an asshole for not acknowledging the fans, but so what? So what if he just plays catch with Fukudome? He's not Ernie Banks. By the time that August game happened, he'd already been harassed from the end of May on. If people just ignored him, and didn't make such a big deal of it, there's no reason that Bradley can't have two productive years.

And plenty of fans want Zambrano and Soriano traded/released. Zambrano and Soriano are just less vocal than Bradley. Which is the right way to handle it, but is it really such a horrible thing that Bradley speaks his mind? Does it really ruin the game that much?

Also, I really think the "throwing the ball into the crowd with 1 out" thing is overblown. Yes, it's a stupid play. But it's just an error. No different than when Theriot throws a ball away, just easier to prevent. Bradley's not the first to do it, and probably not the last.

JulieDiCaro said:

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it's a stupid thing to speak your mind if what your mind thinks is stupid.

millertime said:

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Never stupid to speak your mind, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with your arguement and find your argument stupid. If someone tells me we need to use torture to interrogate prisoners, I think that is a stupid idea. Saying that if don't use torture the terrorists win is a stupid way to support such an argument.

JulieDiCaro said:

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he has the right to speak his mind, but i also have the right at a) laugh at and b) dispute what he says. if he says he was being heckled non-stop by fans every time he was out there, i also have the right to say that i was there for a lot of games and that wasn't true.

JulieDiCaro said:

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maybe this is what bothers me. people take what he says as being 100% true. i don't think he's all that credible in a lot of what he says. not that i think he intentionally lies, but i think he has a bizarre world view.

as i said before, i would feel differently if it were derrek lee or soriano saying this. but bradley has cried wolf so many times just about everywhere he's been, that i have a hard time believing him all the time.

millertime said:

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Don't look now, but did we just fix the first amendment debate? Or did we do that last week?

Either way this is the most accomplished social problems blog ever.

JulieDiCaro said:

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agreed. we rock.

millertime said:

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When do we get our Emmy/Grammy/Osccar?

JulieDiCaro said:

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right after they're done giving one to jon cryer.

thisyearcub said:

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Thing is, Derrek Lee has echoed his comments, at least on the racism.

Perkins said:

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I'll say that I really don't understand why the organization would make him talk to the media. It's like making an alcoholic work in a liquor store.

JulieDiCaro said:

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no, that would be the case if he LIKED the media. this is like making someone allergic to liquor work in a liquor store.

Perkins said:

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lol, I just meant that he had a problem with it. I don't think alcoholics like alcohol...I don't think they really have a choice.

JulieDiCaro said:

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right, but i think alcoholics crave alchohol around them. bradley, as far as i can tell, does not crave the media. therefore, my simile is more apt.

:P

millertime said:

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Unless they're Irsih. Then they're alcoholics by choice. At least from the data I specifically collected only on St. Patrick's day supports this.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Lineup:
fukudome
scales
lee
ramirez
hufflepuff
soto
fontenot
blanco
Z

come on, Z. you need a good start.

JulieDiCaro said:

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jon miller is an odd color of orange.

Perkins said:

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More or less orange than Kaplan?

JulieDiCaro said:

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i haven't seen kaplan lately.

miller is sort of a burnt pumpkin color. it's extremely disturbing.

JulieDiCaro said:

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why does wainright have that stupid beard? he used to be so cute.

millertime said:

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John Cryer wins best supporting actor for comedy? Bullshit! He was last on my list of nominations!

JulieDiCaro said:

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you're watching the EMMY's, Einstein. what did you expect?

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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If we can't win tonight, I hope at least one Cardinal gets hurt.

JulieDiCaro said:

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no wonder Cubs fans have a reputation for being such assholes.

millertime said:

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Hmmm. Indeed.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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If I can't have it, no one will!

thisyearcub said:

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"Look at all these rumors, surroundin' me everyday..."

Fargo said:

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I am in total agreement with Bradley's suspension. It's been coming for a long time. Your list of transgressions is of no surprise to anyone. For the record-Franklin's mustache is much more of a porn star mustache than Wainwright's.

millertime said:

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Alec Baldwin wins best actor in a comedy. I'm down with that.

millertime said:

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Boo, now its time for reality television. The only show that should win anything is top chef.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Who is nominated? Mike Rowe should win everything reality-based.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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Idol, Dancing with the Stars, Amazing Race, Project Runway, Top Chef and maybe something else. And I'm not sure who won.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Booo. What about "Dirty Jobs?"

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I think it's only for competition reality shows.

JulieDiCaro said:

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no wonder the emmys are so stupid.

millertime said:

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That survivor host guy won best host for reality show over the Top Chef people.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i don't GET Top Chef. I've tried watching it several times, and I LOVE food shows. But it just doesn't do it for me.

millertime said:

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Zambrano isn't looking to bad.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I find it very telling that so many of his teammates agree with the suspension. That tells me that there was a lot more going on in the clubhouse than any of us knew.

Fargo said:

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Exactly-there wasn't anyone who said that he was being mistreated or misunderstood. Even Pinella didn't try to cover for him either like he had in the past.

Ed Nickow said:

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Obviously, Lee and Ramirez are racists ...

millertime said:

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Ramirez fights chickens. That man is of poor moral fiber and is not to be trusted.

JulieDiCaro said:

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not to mention unfair. he's much bigger than the chickens.

millertime said:

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If a man wants to fight a chicken, he can fight a chicken.

Fargo said:

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I really can't stand listening to Jon Miller...

millertime said:

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Cubs got the lead? Sweet.

millertime said:

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Dr. Horrible was on the Emmy's! Soooo Coooool!

JulieDiCaro said:

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Brendan Ryan looks like he does civil war reenactments on the weekends.

Fargo said:

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I had him mixed up with Franklin-Ryan has a porn star 'stache.

millertime said:

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North or South?

JulieDiCaro said:

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hard to tell. . . no muttonchops, so i'm going with north.

JulieDiCaro said:

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So happy that Z is having a great game. I (heart) Z.

millertime said:

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I like Zambrano too! Cubbiejulie, I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship.

What I'm saying is lets go thwart some Nazis.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i also enjoy friendship! and Nazis!

oh wait. . .that wasn't right, was it?

JulieDiCaro said:

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ankiel and jon miller use the same self-tanner.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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Maybe they apply it to each other.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I really wish Andres Blanco could hit. Of course, if that were the case, he wouldn't be with the Cubs in the first place.

summerguy said:

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Did he not hit a huge double earlier?

summerguy said:

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Although... that has been few and far between.

millertime said:

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Flight of the Conchords is up for an award, best original music and lyrics.

Ugh, academy awards with hugh jackson or whatever his name is won.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I don't usually fall for cute, but the little Asian girl on the Microsoft commercials is adorable.

millertime said:

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The song always makes me think of Gob from Arrested Development.

millertime said:

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Blanco with the rare error.

millertime said:

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Scales!

millertime said:

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Now they're doing Drama on the Emmys. If NCIS wins a single thing, I will turn it off. Forever.

millertime said:

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Darn I wanted Aaron Paul to win a supporting actor award for Breaking Bad.

millertime said:

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Instead some guy from Lost won.

canopygrl said:

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How can you not like NCIS? I could understand not loving it, but it is not that bad of a show....There has got to be far worse on the tube

millertime said:

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It's a fine show, just not my type.

canopygrl said:

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I'm being judgmental only because my SO has it on right now. I've become hooked. And Monk too!

millertime said:

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I got hooked on bones. That's the closest I've come to the forensic crime fighting.

canopygrl said:

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mmmm haven't seen that one yet, will have to check it out. CSI all the Law n Orders and Psych also on my DVR list. OOOH can't forget Burn Notice!

millertime said:

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Burn Notice kicks ass, I've loved that show from the beginning.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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This seems like a great idea... bringing in Gregg to face Pujols. Nothing could go wrong here.

canopygrl said:

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How did that work out?

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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He apparently got him out. No runs, anyway.

millertime said:

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Now this actress from 24 won best supporting actress. What is this world coming too?

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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She's lesbian! She deserved it!

JulieDiCaro said:

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Cherry Jones is awesome. I saw her onstage in "Doubt." She was amazing.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I've always liked her, too. I would've loved to have seen her in Doubt.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I always enjoy how more famous people get more applause for dying.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I was mad they didn't end with Paul Newman, until I remembered that Walter Cronkite died. Now I'm back to the Cubs game.

JulieDiCaro said:

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That guys is soooooo taguchi.

millertime said:

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I was waiting for someone to mention that.

millertime said:

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Surprise surprise, madmen is getting some recognition. I still haven't watched it yet.

millertime said:

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Glenn Close wins best actress in a drama series.

millertime said:

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Why hasn't Always Sunny been up for anything? Or Bones? Or Dollhouse?

I must have bad taste in TV.

JulieDiCaro said:

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or Torchwood?!?!?!

millertime said:

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I have not seen it. How good is it? Is it "The Wire" good?

JulieDiCaro said:

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it's definitely the first 6 episodes of Twin Peaks good. i only saw this season, it was only 5 episodes, but it was beyond ROCK, if you like sci fi.

millertime said:

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wtf is Gregg still in for?

summerguy said:

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to give the Cards a 3rd straight dramatic win.

summerguy said:

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Where the hell has that pitch been all year Gregg?

millertime said:

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"Oh by the way guys, I can throw this totally awesome breaking pitch. Huh. Guess I forgot to put that on my resume".

JulieDiCaro said:

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what say you now?

millertime said:

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So, I might have exaggerated on my resume just a tad. Turns out, I don't actually have any pitches that a 5 year old couldn't hit.

summerguy said:

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.... and its gone.

millertime said:

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Bryan Cranston wins best dramatic actor for Breaking Bad. Sweet!

JulieDiCaro said:

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i will consider this a belated award for his portryal of Tim Whatley.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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What kind of a gift is a label maker, anyway?

JulieDiCaro said:

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it wasn't just a label maker! it was a baby label-maker junior!

JulieDiCaro said:

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if you aren't on Twitter, you should be, just for the sheer joy of following Ochocinco. he just accidentally tweeted his phone number, followed by a tweet saying "people, please don't call. i'm on a minute plan and i'm out of weekend minutes!"

i love him so much.

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Madmen wins best drama.

JulieDiCaro said:

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For some reason I just thought of that "dirty talk" diary we had last year, and i remembered jon miller saying "pie has been camped out under molina's balls all night," and i just about died laughing.

millertime said:

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Aaron Miles really doesn't want to hit over .200, does he?

I'm so sick of other teams having walk off wins against the Cubs.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I have to admit that Miles' play has been far more disrespectful than anything Bradley has done all season.

summerguy said:

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well... lets see if Heilman can finish what Gregg started.

Umbra said:

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Not you DeRosa. Not you.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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The psycho killer who escaped on a field trip has been captured.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i was kind of starting to pull for the guy.

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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Really... what do you expect when you take psycho killers on field trips?

JulieDiCaro said:

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just the fact that he was able to convince them to TAKE him on field trips is impressive.

how would you like that job? "your roll here at Shadey Acres will include cleaning the bedpans, taking convicted killers and field trips, and some light typing. do you have any questions?"

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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"Do I have to buy the uniform?"

summerguy said:

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that reminds me of the scene in "Rat Race" where Whoopi Goldberg stumbles onto the bus full of mental patients.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Now I feel like watching "The Dream Team."

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I don't think this one's going to have a happy ending for us.

Doc said:

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Damn. I'm gone all weekend, and my dream came true...no more Milton.

Now we need to pull out this game. Holliday is a cheater.

Umbra said:

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Interference! FREE BASEBALL BECAUSE THE CARDS CHEATED.

Umbra said:

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Shootout in Dallas, Jones just scored. 31-30 Cowboys.

Doc said:

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The Cubs should build a new stadium that big.

Umbra said:

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Welcome to Mammon Field!

Umbra said:

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We can make T-Shirts! And coffee mugs! And blankets! And sunglasses! And umbrellas! And credit cards! All of them emblazoned with 'Mammon Field'.

Umbra said:

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The New York Football Giants are in FG range with 13 seconds left!

Umbra said:

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You might want to consider picking up Mario Manningham for your fantasy team.

WOOOOOOOOOO HOME RUN JAKE FOX!!!

summerguy said:

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Question: Why hasn't Fox been starting since Soriano AND Bradley are done?

JulieDiCaro said:

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because he can't do anything but hit baseballs.

Jimmy Greenfield said:

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1. Brilliant breakdown.

2. overjoyed to see Uncle Milty go.

3. Anyone who thinks the Cubs are better off with Uncle Milty than without him is batshit crazy.

4. One mistake up above Julie: I'm pretty sure Uncle Milty was wrestled down by a coach on his own team, the umpire wasn't the one who touched him.

5. Yes, batshit crazy.

JulieDiCaro said:

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right--i need to fix that. i've just been too tied up in the cubs' magnificent play tonight to bother.

Doc said:

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You should go over to ACB...

They are still completely in denial about Uncle Milty's faults, blaming all of this on the media and the fans (they had a roll, but are not a majority of the problems here).

That site has lost all credibility since Milty's shit hit the fan months ago.

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Hey, everyone's entitled to their batshit crazy ideas.

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Unfortunately, they turned a rather good blog into a joke over the last couple months. You are right they are entitled to their opinions, but it is a bit pathetic how they keep blaming the people who read their blog (cub fans) for Milton's demise. And by 'they', I pretty much just mean Maddog.

FrankS said:

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No, it isn't just MB21/Maddog. I left there in either March or April because I grew tired of all the animosity toward Cub fans. It got old reading about how smart the ACB regulars were and how stupid every other Cub fan is in comparision.

Umbra said:

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Isn't it important to think of who he will be replaced with?

Jimmy Greenfield said:

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Not. At. All.

Doc said:

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As I've said before...

We have a replacement already, and he currently plays center field.

The Cubs should look for a center fielder that could possibly hit leadoff.

JulieDiCaro said:

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????

Who are you talking about? Fuld?

Pfffft. Remember how much you liked Fontenot last year? Fuld will go the same way next season. I want a real CFer.

Doc said:

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no...k-fuk.

Doc said:

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To clarify my comments...

Fukudome should be moved back to right field and the cubs should then look for a veteran center fielder the might be able to be an effective leadoff hitter.

Jimmy Greenfield said:

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Look, there are people currently breathing on this earth. I'll take one of those people before I'd take Uncle Milty. I'd go with a two-man outfield. I'd go with Dave Kingman. It doesn't matter. Let him bring his misery elsewhere.

JulieDiCaro said:

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*snort*

hee hee hee

Doc said:

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Dear Jake Fox,

Please learn to play some defense. You don't have to be great, just competent. Just learn how to play some defense somewhere. Hey, learning to play right field might be a good idea. I hear there is an opening out there right now.

All my love,
Doc

JulieDiCaro said:

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YAY!!!!!!

We won a game!!!!!

Doc said:

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cool. See...the Cubs get rid of Bradley...and then they win.

I figure they will win the division now.

AndCounting said:

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I second (or third or whatever number we're on) your Milton thoughts. I think it's really important to separate some of the issues in play.

1) Racism is bad and inexcusable. It also has very little to do with the Milton conversation, since Bradley accused Cub fans only of hating him (which they do). Paul Sullivan added the accusations of racism just to be helpful. I know this is a whole separate argument (that i hope never to have again). But I don't think anyone (including Bradley) would consider the racism media maelstrom a contributing factor to Milton's play on the field, nor does anyone truly believe race has anything to do with the opinions of 99.99% of Cubs fans' views of MB. Racists are to blame for racism.

2) A lot of Cub fans took their frustrations out on Milton after the free-fall from first place into a double-digit deficit behind the Cardinals. That was pretty ill-informed, considering that Milton's stats during that stretch were pretty much the best of any Cub. Other fans have been merciless all year. Fans are to blame for their mistakes, not Milton's.

3) The Chicago sports media has been an embarrassment this year with the way they have handled the Milton Bradley situation. The media is to blame for bad journalism.

4) The Cubs have underperformed dismally. Bradley has been part of that, no question. But his numbers on the whole aren't shockingly bad. Yeah, his RBI total is shameful. And it seems like he's just trying too hard in clutch situations. But you can't blame the Cubs' performance on Bradley. He's been a small part of the baseball problem. The argument that his off-field distractions have hurt the team is weak. If people expect Bradley to ignore the booing and the bad press, the rest of the Cubs should be able to ignore the Bradley distractions. There are a LOT of Cubs to blame for the bad baseball.

5) Bradley does have severe issues, and none of the negative things listed above excuse them. Racist fans didn't follow Milton Bradley to Chicago, they have been camped out here in small numbers for some time. The vindictive media members have long been a Chicago fixture. Reactionary, overly emotional fans . . . Milton had to know there were a few of us. The century of losing baseball? Yeah, I'm guessing Milton knew about that, too. This is the crap Milton has to deal with. So Milton HAS TO DEAL with it. He is defined not by the circumstances surrounding him, but by the way he responds to it. I really didn't care about anything he said until his latest interview.

By calling Chicago, Wrigley, and the Cubs organization all parts of a negative environment, Milton crossed the line. Not with me, not with the media, but with his employer. I don't care who you work for: if you speak out to a newspaper and call out your bosses, co-workers, and customers for being losers, your ass is gonna be fired, plain and simple.

I can't defend Milton for saying that. He has the right to his opinion, but airing it the way he did was stupid. In the end, though, I don't harbor ill will toward the guy. He just came into a situation he couldn't handle, and a lot of people took advantage of his weakness to sell some papers and vent their frustrations. It's over, and I'm ready to move on.

Whoever he plays for next year, if he comes back to Wrigley, I'll pay to see it, and I'll cheer for him. Just because . . . hell, sometimes it's nice to be gracious.

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well said, tweep.

AndCounting said:

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Gracias.

Proggy said:

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Well not that it matters but hey, I was on the Bradley bandwagon from the beginning. I fought tooth and nail to defend him, fought with Julie and doc and a bunch of others, pretty much ignored this blog because of it and you know what?

I was wrong.

Granted, I don't think Bradley was treated well by the media and the fans and I still think some of the hysteria over things he did prior to the past few weeks was well...exactly that, hysteria, but that doesn't excuse his decision to burn the fucker down.

I wish him well wherever he lands and hope he gets himself figured out, but he's gotta go.


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I've said this before, as well.

I really wished that this would have worked out with Bradley...and I wished I would have been wrong about how this would have turned out. And honestly, I never thought things would have become this bad with Bradley. I really thought that it wouldn't have become so bad that people like Progs, a strong supporter of Bradley, would have actually have to post something like that.

This team really needed him to be good and to be a good teammate. It really is too bad.

And it's too bad that ticket prices will have to go up next year to pay him to play for another team (or, at least sit on his ass inside his mansion, since I can't think of a team that would actually take a chance on him right now).

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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It's too bad Al Davis doesn't own an MLB franchise.

FrankS said:

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Maybe the Cubs should have hired a full time psychologist or psychiatrist to work with him on his people issues. It seems like his first reaction to stress is to lash out at someone.

AndCounting said:

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That was the Cubs' biggest need last offseason: a team shrink, not a left-handed power bat. Bringing Milton in only increased that need.

JulieDiCaro said:

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i've accumulated a number of snappy motivational phrases from Twitter. I'd be happy to shout them at the Cubs players next season for a minimal salary.

JulieDiCaro said:

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that's what i said. i think he's just completely incapable of handling stress. a lot of people are like that, he just has to do it in the spotlight, which really sucks if you have issues.

i hope he finds some measure of peace in his life.

JulieDiCaro said:

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thanks for this.

i don't care about being right, i just care that the whole thing was so freaking AVOIDABLE.

GAH.

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