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One day after answering no to the question, "Are the Cubs still in it?", they decided they wanted to change their answer and pretend like they are. I'm going to need another 14 in a row to start believing even after last night's 9-4 win over the Nationals.

"I think everybody in the clubhouse, we still believe we're in it," Harden said. "Nobody's down. We don't believe we're out of it. You've got to go with that mindset. We've got to win some games. You can't get too ahead of yourself and start thinking we've got to win however many in a row.

"Just plan on winning every series, I think we'd be in pretty good position at the end of the season."

I think Rich Harden has been huffing spray paint. And Milty had another good game. I'm wondering which reporter asked him this question:


Bradley was asked if he felt "love" from the home crowd.

"I feel love for me," he said. "I love me. That's all. I look in the mirror. I go out there and play. I feel the love from my teammates, the love from the coaching staff and from myself. I go out there and just try to do things."


And the Muppets made a reappearance:


Bradley reintroduced his so-called "Muppet conversation" after the homer, making hand gestures like a talking hand-sock puppet. Piniella coined the term last week in San Diego when Bradley made the gesture after a home run to a fan who had been heckling him.

Bradley said he was just making a generic statement to all booing fans, not anyone in particular.

"That's what I do," he said. "People always have something to say. Keep talking. It ain't stopping nothing. 'What are you trying to prove?' I'm not proving anything but you're an idiot."


I have to give Milty credit for facing the reporters before the game to discuss his comments from Tuesday night:

Told that some in the media and public were construing his comments to mean he has been the victim of racial abuse, Bradley said, ironically: "America doesn't believe in racism."

Bradley, a black man, was asked if he was talking about "hatred" in terms of baseball performance or "hatred" of a personal kind.

"I'm talking about hatred, period," he said. "I'm talking about when I go to eat at a restaurant, I've got to listen to the waiters badmouthing me at another table, sitting in a restaurant, that's what I'm talking about. Everything.

"All I'm saying is I just pray the game is nine innings so I can be out there the least amount of time as possible and go home."


There are also quotes from Lou and Soriano in that article, go ahead and read the whole thing.  Beyond hearing from Lou and Soriano, I think we've all been dying to know what Reed Johnson would say about the situation. Luckily for all of us, Reed weighs in on the situation while trying not to offend anyone:

The thing about Chicago is it's a really fair town. If you play hard and play the game the right way and you come up short, obviously, there will be disappointment but people will respect you for playing hard. The way we've played lately, I can understand why people are upset and have started to boo. People ask me about playing in Chicago, and they say, "If you don't play well, you're going to get booed." At the same time, if you're the right type of player, you're harder on yourself than any fan will ever be on you.

I was booing myself when I was 0-for-10. They didn't start booing until I was 0-for-15 or 0-for-20. They gave me five or 10 at-bats to figure things out. The fans here give you an honest chance.


Back to the Fonz, who convinced team management to hold off on the MRI until September 10. Does no one in the front office have a spine?

Soriano plans to have an MRI exam on the Cubs' next day off, Sept. 10, unless the knee gets significantly worse before then, and he could seek a cortisone shot to get through the last few weeks of the season.


''I want to play because the team needs me,'' Soriano said, ''and I want to play for my fans and my team. I played with this for four months. We have [38] games left -- why can't I play the rest of the way?''


Finally, a federal appeals court has ruled that federal agents had no right to seize the results of the 2003 anonymous drug tests. That makes Ted Lilly happy:


"You say, 'Why don't they release the names of everyone?' " Lilly said. "In the first place, no one's name was going to be released. How about we just stop there and get it over with and start talking about the year Tim Lincecum's having, instead of this stuff?"

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"You know what the scary thing is? That I could be [on it]," he said. "I shouldn't be, but I thought about how that would be, to have to defend yourself if you really were [on it]. That would be a nightmare."


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Doc said:

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I just got done reading some stuff over at ACB (who now seem to be at war with LOHO...ok)...apparently I'm a Milton supporter now.

JulieDiCaro said:

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hard to have a one-sided war.

Doc said:

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Good point. I

Doc said:

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um...what happened to the rest of my comment?

:(

Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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I ate it... and it tasted like Count Chocula.

thisyearcub said:

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Follow me, Doc, follow me to freedom!

Sad thing is, if this team were winning, I doubt none of this would be bandied about much. Winning cures everything. Except STDs, of course.

Doc said:

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I still would want Bradley on this team...even if this team was doing well.

I'm afraid that will never change.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I love how no one is able to have a different opinion without being an idiot, a lemming, or so stupid that it's hilarious.

Jesus, people's opinions are subjective. It is possible for reasonable people to disagree.

gravedigger said:

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Opinions are subjective, but when you have facts to back up your claim, and the other side doesn't...

The real point here is, why is there such a visceral reaction towards Bradley? Because he's overpaid (he's not)? Because he hasn't been productive (he has)? Because he says he feels hated by fans (he is)? Shit, I do not understand the reaction of most fans towards him -- including our posts here telling him to "Shut the hell up," when for most of the season his "antics" weren't any worse than some of the other characters we've had (and loved, see Zambrano) on this team.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Right, and my facts are that so far this season he's accused the umps, the fans, and his teammates of not liking him. This annoys me.

I didn't say I don't think he has it in him to be a good player, I know what he's capable of. I'm just sick of reading his comments calling out the fans every time I open up the paper. I don't think he's doing himself any favors. Then he seems confused about why peoploe don't like him.

gravedigger said:

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He did get a raw deal from umps earlier this year. The fans have been particularly hard on him this year. Sure, maybe he should STFU about it, but even when he goes on media silence, he's criticized for that. Like I said yesterday, he can't do right even when he does nothing at all. It is totally ludicrous.

thisyearcub said:

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Yeps.

flyball said:

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after the first few things though he seemed to calm down, go out, play baseball, and I think it was working

and then the team tanked, and everything (not just in regards to the fans and Bradley) fell apart

JulieDiCaro said:

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I never criticized him for not talking. I think that's exactly what he should do.

gravedigger said:

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You didn't, but the media did.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Fine--but i'm talking about me.

gravedigger said:

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WTF, I typed out a long response to this, refreshed, and it didn't post. This is the second time. It is starting to piss me off.

gravedigger said:

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Now part of it posted. Weird.

Umbra said:

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He never accused his teammates of not liking him. He said that Derrek Lee was not the kind of person that he felt comfortable talking to about his difficult transition to Chicago.

When Jay Cutler said that Devin Hester was not the kind of receiver who goes up to make catches, I thought we all agreed that that was not a bash on Hester, it was just Cutler acknowledging the fact that Hester is a certain kind of receiver, a certain kind of tool.

I think that Milton Bradley thinks that Derrek Lee is a nice man and good ballplayer, but that he wouldn't be a good guy to talk to about these issues.

Let's ask a few more questions.
1. Do the fans like Milton Bradley?

A. No. No they do not.

2. If the fans do not like Milton Bradley, should he say this or acknowledge it?

A. This depends. If they did not like him because he wasn't playing well, I would hope MB would ignore it and tough it out so that when we was playing well, they would like him.

But if the fans didn't like him because of different or unfair reasons, it would be a good idea to show that unfairness.

Here is what I fear: Milton Bradley will be run out of town not because he didn't produce, but because Cubs fans hate him. The Cubs will be a worse team next year without him.

Not only that, but it would set a bad precedent. Would Soriano be the next victim of the media-led mob? Would Zambrano? Would the Cubs be able to attract talented players to Chicago if Chicago got the reputation that it was difficult for people to play there? Rumor has it that that's what kept Torii Hunter away.

kiwibob said:

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All the talk is about Bradley "being run out of town"
How does that happen given his contract... are you suggesting he will have been hounded into walking away from it?
And what would you estimate of Cubs fans hating Bradley be in %age terms?

Umbra said:

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I mean he gets traded during this offseason and the Cubs eat the contract.

We can debate the semantics of 'hate' and 'Cubs fans' all we want. Judging by this thread?

MB Haterz:
Doc
Julie

MB Apologists:
Me
GD
Matt
Flyball(?)

So...33%?

kiwibob said:

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You can slot me in the apologists camp... although he needs training to deal with press... he takes every little thing to heart... so imagine what he does with the big stuff

JulieDiCaro said:

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See, I feel like I understand a bit where he's coming from. It's always hard to put yourself out there in a new situation. God knows I've gone through phases where I took every criticism of me on any blog very VERY personally. But if you're going to put yourself out there in any profession: a pro athlete, a blogger, a writer, whatever, you have to learn to take the good with the bad. And I'm not talking about racism--that's in a whole other category entirely.

I think he lets the fans who don't like him get inside his head. He has to learn to laugh at it and move on.

JulieDiCaro said:

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And no, I'm not comparing bloggers to pro athletes.

gravedigger said:

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Well, I do think you're a pro blogger.

Umbra said:

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I think he has done this. What was that "America doesn't believe in racism." line all about, then?

JulieDiCaro said:

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I am absolutely DYING to talk to Milton to find out what the real story with him is.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Hey--you guys are all forgetting the posts I wrote calling out the media for treating him unfairly. I don't hate him; I DO think he's an immature person who has a rather large chip on his shoulder.

millertime said:

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Doood I totally defended MB yesterday. Twice.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Give me a break. Look at how long it took us to run Corey Patterson out of town.

gravedigger said:

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Yeah, but Korey sucked at baseball.

Doc said:

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Bradley was initially treated like any other player who got off to a poor start in chicago...he just didn't handle that treatment as well as every other player in the history of sports in this city.

Is he overpaid...I think he is. Has he been productive? Not for what he was paid to do.

Umbra said:

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I think he was treated very differently. I seem to remember people talking about how he was a clubhouse cancer, how he beat his wife, how he had anger management problems with a radio broadcaster.

When people are against his signing from the start, I don't think his getting booed has much to do with his performance. When he plays well (and he has ever since the ASG), he still gets booed, so this again has little to do with his performance.

gravedigger said:

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Exactly my point.

JulieDiCaro said:

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But see, this is my problem. He does get treated differently. But he's treated differently because he's had problems everywhere he's been. Either with the fans, his teammates, the media, his wife, the police, whatever. You can make excuses for how every single incident wasn't his fault, but after a while, it starts to get a bit ridiculous. He's admitted he knew he was going to be held to a different standard, and he STILL couldn't help himself.

Just. Stop. Talking.

thisyearcub said:

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But as GD said yesterday, he can't win. If he does stop talking, then it turns into something else. We already saw that earlier this year.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I talked about allegations of him beating his wife, and I'm not for it. I also said I was putting all that behind and giving him a chance. I've defended him when I thought he needed it and I've called him out when I didn't like what he did or said.

I'm not a hater.

What people who don't go to Wrigley a lot don't understand (and what he doesn't understand) is that he's not getting booed more than anyone else. Soriano is!

flyball said:

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I'll be honest Zambrano's antics are wearing thin on me

when the team wins almost anything is fogiven, in '04 when stories about the Red Sox drinking shots of Jack Daniels emerged everyone loved it while they were winning, hated it while they were losing, and then loved it again when they rebounded against the Yankees, Kevin Millar went from favorite to trash and back in about 8 days

Doc said:

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Actually, I'm really having a hard time not turning against Zambrano. I don't have much further to go before I jump on the "Trade Z" bandwagon. I'd like to give him next season to straighten things out. But that might be the last straw...if he has 7 wins around the all star break next year...that's it.

gravedigger said:

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Z can take a dump on the mound if he puts the team in a position to win games. That's all I care about.

JulieDiCaro said:

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He's wearing thin on me, too. I completely agree.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I love Z. It's just, like Milty, I'm sick of reading his stupid comments in the paper every day.

flyball said:

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I'm confused, I don't dislike Bradley, I dislike the way the team as a whole as played, and I think that that poor performance (of the team, not of Bradley) and the initial onslaught of stories of reported troubles on past teams has contributed to the fans never really coming around to him this season

if he was playing just like now, but the team was 4 games up I think he'd be cheered

maybe I use too many double negatives?

gravedigger said:

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Ha they loved my comments though.

gravedigger said:

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''I want to play because the team needs me,'' Soriano said, ''and I want to play for my fans and my team. I played with this for four months. We have [38] games left -- why can't I play the rest of the way?''

Uh, the reason, sir, is that the injury has likely been the reason you've been playing for absolute shit this year. So, if you go take care of that, someone who actually has a chance at being decent can play.

JulieDiCaro said:

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also, i'm not sure that his fans or his team want hinm to play. just get better and come back stronger next season.

Doc said:

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It kinda pisses me off that some of these players are so blind that they can't see that playing with injuries like this actually hurts the team.

It's either that, or they are lying and don't give a rat's ass about the team.

kiwibob said:

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kiwibob said:

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Actually I was saying amen to GD there... but I have unfrortunately become drunk

thisyearcub said:

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I'd like to see video of Reed Johnson booing himself. That's funny.

Doc said:

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I'm sure Milton would call him a racist for doing that too.

flyball said:

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agreed

JulieDiCaro said:

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Carl, I can't believe you left out the news about Matt Murton being DFA-ed.

Maybe Hendry will bring him back and we can use all our Beaker photos again.

kiwibob said:

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Dear Julie... I vote you schedule an end of season podcast extravaganza show where we can all release our pent up frustration and walk away cleansed... and ready for the glory that is next year....
And yes... I'm drunk... sorry

kiwibob said:

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And I want to ring in... and be asked the usual insightful questions... "What time is it?" and "What's the weather like?"... The answers are at my fingertips and I'll flush the toilet too so we can check out the coriolis effect thing and see which way the water goes...

kiwibob said:

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Obviously at this stage I should be going to bed but, like Carl's porch kitty I have foolishly stayed out and nibbled the catnip that is life

kiwibob said:

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Uh oh... I'm going to feel like a tool when I wake up aren't I?

flyball said:

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Carl Heartscubs Gierhan said:

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You're endearing yourself to us a little more with each post.

kiwibob said:

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That sounds like you are merely encouraging me into further inanity....
And in some ways it makes me feel loved...
Tank you Carl. Thank you LOHO...
yermebestmate.......

gravedigger said:

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This is awesome.

kiwibob said:

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What's awesome is the life of Sidney Frank....
That man should get a medal.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Frank

I wouldn't be here talking bollocks right now if it hadn't been for that man

kiwibob said:

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I wrote this about him earlier today before going out and spreading the word

http://notesfromthebartender.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/heroes-sidney-frank/

gravedigger said:

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Ah, now you've got me wiki-surfing, one of my favorite online activities that doesn't involve porn or calling Kaplan names on his blog.

kiwibob said:

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The man should have a statue up somehwre...

Taryn Nickow said:

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It would be my dream
To see Murton back in blue,
19 on his back.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Ed, if that is in fact your real name, how many aliases do you have?

Ed Nickow said:

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Heh ... when Taryn told me she posted a comment I wondered if you'd make note of her last name.

She is my youngest daughter and our Blackhawks haiku blogger at Chicago Sports In Haiku. She is a real person and writes her own haiku.

Don't let her icon fool you - she is a Cubs fan through and through.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Oh--LOL! Don't you have a different name for the White Sox Haiku? I thought you just forgot to log in under your Cubs moniker.

Ed Nickow said:

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My brother Dan is the White Sox haiku blogger. I once posted a comment here with his login - he can't access Movable Type at work, so I posted something for him on our blog and to switch before commenting here.

I'm much more careful, now.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Aahhh. I thought you had like 50-different internet aliases.

Doc said:

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Are we in first place yet? It's almost September.

gravedigger said:

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No, but we're close.

Ed Nickow said:

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Second place ... that's close to first, right?

millertime said:

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Yes, we're in first place.

thisyearcub said:

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Here's the thing. Cubs fans are getting a bad rap right now. From the beer-tossing dumbass to the racism going on in the bleachers, it sucks. I've witnessed the racism firsthand, but I've also witnessed a lot of great fans cheering their team on. Unfortunately, the cheers don't stick with you as much as when someone calls you a monkey. So while Lou is right, that kind of stuff should be tuned out, I can understand how it's hard to, especially in this day and age.

Not all Cubs fans are racists. But it's there. Hell, even Derrek Lee acknowledged it earlier this year. The question is, how do you get it to stop?
Also, this is my favorite quote from Bradley, when asked if he regretted signing with the Cubs:

"I don't regret anything. I regret that there are idiots in the world. That's what I regret."

Milton=awesome

kiwibob said:

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I've never had a problem with what MB says.... I have a problem with how it's interpreted. But politicians spend hours on media training and how to minimise the ability for media to mis-interpret whether its deiberate or not...
Milton needs a media trainer to give him strategies to deal with the media demand that he feed the one way narrative they have already mapped out for him.

kiwibob said:

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Hey... that actually sounds coherent... horray for me

JulieDiCaro said:

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Drunk kiwibob = fun morning.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I agree with all of that. Except the part about Milton being awesome. I think he's just okay.

JulieDiCaro said:

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My kitty came home!

kiwibob said:

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Hooray!
The always do eventually...

gravedigger said:

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I told you not to worry. They like to go on adventures, but they usually come back.

JulieDiCaro said:

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She didn't COME home--someone found her hiding under her bushes.

Of course, she was close enough that she could TOTALLY hear me calling her and just ignored me.

Brat.

gravedigger said:

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Oh. Haha, she hates you. That's so cute -- why I love cats. It never matters how much you love your cat, they always like to remind you that they merely tolerate you.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Oh yeah? Well when I went over there she jumped into my arms and started purring and rubbing her face all over me.

So there.

gravedigger said:

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Dont expect it to last. :)

Karen said:

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Oh, I am so happy for you. I have been wondering if you found her...does she look like she's had a nice little one night stand?

JulieDiCaro said:

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She was hiding under someone's bushes the whole time, so I'm not sure if she encountered any other kitties while she was out.

MN Pat said:

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Hurrah! And if she did have a kitty date hopefully she practiced safe carousing ...

Ed Nickow said:

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Bradley should just shut up. I was at the game yesterday, and when the lineup was announced more people booed Soriano (I was among them - where is Sam Fuld?) than they did Bradley.

We cheered for his home run, and he made mocking hand gestures at the crowd. Fans in the right field bleachers were cheering as he took his position after the home run. He ignored them, playing catch with Kosuke and refusing to turn around to acknowledge the fans.

JulieDiCaro said:

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This is what I've seen as well.

thisyearcub said:

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It might be a case of too little, too late. Should be interesting to see what the offseason holds for MB

JulieDiCaro said:

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But see, I've seen that from early on in the season. Have you been to a game at Wrigley this season, Matt?

thisyearcub said:

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Washington was pretty much like Wrigley, minus the ivy. But cubsfan2323 over at ACB was at the game Tues. in right field and he heard a bunch of stuff as well, wrote about it.

It happens. I promise.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I will admit that this is hard for me to believe. It's not that I doubt you or anyone else who says they've heard it, but I just can't imagine it happening. Or that other fans would just sit there and let it happen--I know I wouldn't. Or that SECURITY would let it happen.

I just can't wrap my head around it.

thisyearcub said:

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It's not just heard it, it's witnessed it firsthand.

I can't speak for others, but as far as my situation, the guy was about five rows down. I said something to the effect of "Dude, give it a rest." Did I want to go down there and punch him in the face? Sure. But I didn't because I was with a girl and didn't really feel like subjecting her to fights and getting thrown out.

And there was no security there. I think they were just happy people were filling up the stands.

I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around this, but I've read, heard and seen too many things to make me call Milton a liar on this. Maybe you just didn't sit in the right area. It's like I said, not all Cubs fans are idiots/racists. But it's out there and there's history (Dusty, Derrek Lee, Jacque Jones, Torii Hunter) as well.

millertime said:

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I think the problem is that when he has shut up, he's still gotten heckled by the media. From the moment he was signed, people viewed him as "Some guy to replace DeRosa". DeRosa was a popular player, also a player who not a lot was expected out of. Nobody expected DeRosa to be a premier offensive player, so if DeRosa went 0-4, who cares? If DeRosa had a good game at the plate, people loved him.

Suddenly big bad MB, this angry black man who beats his wife, assaults fans, and goes after announcers comes into town with his big money contract. Instantly fans expected nothing less than an MVP caliber season. He had sports writers just begging for him to blow up at an umpire, a fan, anyone, because that was the story with MB. If MB played at a level where most fans and sports writers appreciated him on their team, he would have to OPS 1.000. Which would mean we would be getting an incredible discount only paying him $10 mil a year.

So, in this already hostile enviroment, Bradley could do 3 things. He could quietly not say anything to the media and stay away from the spotlight. He tried this and the media went after him. He could talk to the media and give the same BS cliche answers that athletes are supposed to give. Or he could speak his mind. He chose option 3. If more fans would actually look at the numbers he's put up for this team, and realize that sometimes even good players have bad seasons, this wouldn't be an issue.

JulieDiCaro said:

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I don't think the fans are, overall, as stupid as some people would like to think. I hated to see DeRosa go, but I reconized it as a sound baseball decision.

He didn't try staying out of the spotlight for long. It took about two weeks for him to get suspended and start bitching about the umpires being out to get him. That's not exactly keeping a low profile. Even Lou told him to shut the hell up.

And you know what? I'm sick of being accused of being predisposed not to like him because he's a "big, angry black man." Unlike everyone else here, I've gone to bat for many "big angry black men" in court when no one else would. I've kept a lot of big, angry black men out of jail.

I would say the same thing about Brian Giles beating his GF if Hendry wanted to bring him here. It has nothing to do with race.

I don't like the way Milton comports himself in public. Speaking out about racism is one thing, but constantly bitching to the media about not feeling loved, feeling "uncomfortable," feeling like all the umps are out to get you, feeling like you have no one to talk to, is more akin to ARod complaining about Jeter not being his best friend anymore or politicians bearing their souls about what prostitutes they've slept with.

It's distasteful to me.

And you know what else? Plenty of fans HAVE looked at his numbers. He gets cheered every time he runs out to RF. He gets cheered a LOT during games. If he wants to focus on the stray asshole or two, that's on him. Hell, Soriano is getting booed a lot more than Milty is, and so is Aaron Miles.

Umbra said:

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So they hate Milton for being a bastard with no manners, and not a dook of an idea how to comport himself public-wise, O my sister.

Why is it that the stray asshole or two always seems to write for the Sun-Times or Tribune?

thisyearcub said:

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Well said.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Very rainy today. I am extremely dubious about getting this game in.

gravedigger said:

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Probably for the best.

JulieDiCaro said:

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Damn--Doc just beat me out as LOHO's representative in ACB's douche-off.

I was really stumping for it this year.

gravedigger said:

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That makes me afraid, because with the exception of the MB stuff, I've been agreeing with him a lot lately.

Umbra said:

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There's always next year. I think you could get out ahead of the competition by dedicating a few posts to Vitters refusing to answer repeated inquiries about his being a child molester.

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