Governor Quinn met with me on Monday to discuss my dispute over the constitutionality of numerous line items in the Capital Bill.
In my last blog entry, I asked the question, Did Pat Quinn lie with his hand on the Bible?
The answer is:
Governor Quinn met with me on Monday to discuss my dispute over the constitutionality of numerous line items in the Capital Bill.
In my last blog entry, I asked the question, Did Pat Quinn lie with his hand on the Bible?
The answer is:
Definitely not, which is very good news.
First of all, I'm a big fan of his, and continue to be so, so I would not have been happy if the answer was the opposite.
Secondly, it's good for the State of Illinois that we have an honest governor.
I attended the Bill Signing ceremony, which took place at Marshall High School, on the West Side of Chicago at the corner of Kedzie (3200 West) and Adams (200 South). I sat in the third row, second seat from center, with the other VIP's (elected officials and journalists), in the large auditorium that has two balconies. It just so happens that my mother attended Marshall High, between 65 and 70 years ago. Mother was born in 1926, and this was a Jewish neighborhood, back in the early 1940's.
After the ceremony, I attended the "Press Availability" news conference, but as a legitimate, bona fide journalist for Godless in Chicago, not as a social activist. This is what I'm referring to in the headline when I say that the Governor met with me to discuss my concerns regarding the Capital Bill. It was not a private meeting. We met at a press conference, with many important journalists from throughout Illinois listening in to our discussion. We also spoke to exchange pleasantries, both after the ceremony in the auditorium, and after the news conference.
The rules are very clear cut at a "Press Availability" news conference. If you are a journalist with official press credentials, you can attend and ask the speaker what his position is on an issue or why he has made certain decisions. If you are a social activist who seeks to engage in debate or offer one's own position on the issues, get out! You don't belong there. That's not what a "Press Availability" news conference is for.
I always follow the rules. That's why I get to attend the big news conferences, and have been able to do so for three decades.
Reporters compete with each other for the Governor's attention. The protocol is to let the Big Boys, the reporters for the TV stations, major radio stations and daily newspapers, get their questions in, first. Then, the secondary market reporters, like me, get to jump in.
When I succeeded in getting the Governor's attention, I asked him the following, carefully planned and crafted question:
"Please explain to my readers (of Godless in Chicago -- Pat and I have known each other for decades and he knows that I write here) why you did not line-item veto any of the numerous provisions that constitute tax dollar donations to houses of worship, parochial schools and ministries. It's particularly puzzling to me because we met last year, in the parking lot of the Capitol, where you told me that you agreed with me that the million tax dollars that Rod promised Pilgrim Baptist Church is unconstitutional. This Bill is Pilgrim Baptist on steroids."
Pat's response was, "If the appropriation is for a secular purpose, then it's OK. If they are doing secular work, then it's OK."
That's a reasonable response, and it means that, as far as he was concerned, he was acting in a manner that was consistent with his oath. I accept his answer.
Of course, I strongly disagree with him as to whether or not the appropriations that I'm challenging are for a secular purpose, but also, the State Constitution categorically prohibits grants of money to houses of worship, parochial schools and ministries, regardless of whether their work is secular or sectarian. That's because there truly is no meaningful way of separating their secular work from their sectarian work.
My attorney, Green Party candidate for Governor Richard Whitney (I am a member of the Green Party), and I are busy going through every single line item in the 996-page Bill. I've made it through the first 200 pages and I've got 796 pages to go. We will ask a "neutral" third party, an Illinois state court judge, to decide who's right.
However, it doesn't change the fact that Pat Quinn is a good guy, and continues to be a good guy. I just disagree with him on this matter. We'll see what the courts say.
The Moline Dispatch and Rock Island Argus today published a story about the challenge by Rob Sherman Advocacy to the unconstitutional line items in the Capital Bill. The story is entitled Group protests state funds going to churches, parochial schools. Thanks, QC-online (Quad Cities online), for your coverage of this issue.
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3 Comments
lykorian said:
rob, you dropped the ball on this one. there's no reason that you should "accept" gov. quinn's response -- it was complete nonsense.
i know you are still in the process of reviewing the details of the bill, but i pulled this from another blog: "Christian Love Missionary Baptist Church will get $250,000, Bethel Lutheran Church will get $200,000, Haven of Rest Missionary Baptist Church will get $400,000, Mt. Vernon Baptist Church will get $200,000 to upgrade its kitchen and Our Lady of Peace in Chicago will get $45,000 to improve accessibility." i don't see how any of those expenditures can be considered secular, unless you're a double-talking politician who's trying to take the heat off himself.
don't waste your time or mine telling me pat quinn is a "good guy" -- just keep pressing him for his clearly unconstitutional budget moves.
Rob Sherman said:
Every one of those is on my list. In fact, I just got off the phone with Dan Hynes office. He's the State Comptoller, the guy who issues the checks. He's been very cooperative in refusing to pay any money to Pilgrim Baptist.
I notified Dan's personal secretary, who is very familiar with the Pilgrim Baptist fiasco, that my lawsuit will be filed next week, so take your time on paying out any grants that may come in from houses of worship, parochial schools or ministries, between now and then. After all, it's not like Dan is swimming in more money than he knows what to do with. She said that Dan may call me back, today, if he has a moment, but they've gotten the message.
As for Pat, that's his story and he's sticking to it. That's OK. That's politics. At least he had a justification, even if it was a really weak one, rather than, "I know it's unconstitutional but I'm going to do it, anyway." He also was man enough to allow me to attend his news conference (they could have kept me out if they wanted to), permit me to ask my question (he could have refused to call on me), actually provide an answer, and provide a reasonable explanation for his actions, regardless of how weak that reasonable answer was.
I have my court option that I'll be exercising, very soon. Meanwhile, there will surely be other occasions where I will be interfacing with Pat, so it's important to maintain good relations.
One thing that I think I do well is disagreeing without being disagreeable. There will be other issues. Pat will remember that I treated him well on Monday (such as when I want to attend his future news conferences), just as he has treated me very well for many years.
lykorian said:
thanks for the follow-up. glad to hear you are on top of it and not rolling over on it after quinn's response. personally, i've been immensely frustrated with illinois politics (don't even get me started on chicago), so hearing our elected (and non-elected!) officials blatantly lie to cover themselves just sets me off. you're right about maintaining civil relations. hopefully it pays dividends going forward.
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