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Yankees Covet Granderson, Cubs Won't Include Castro

The New York Yankees spent the better part of Monday at the Winter Meetings trying to acquire Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson, who is available because Detroit is looking to cut payroll. The proposed deal was a three team swap that also included the Arizona Diamondbacks. But as of Monday evening, it appears that the Yankees were having reservations about the amount of young talent that they would have to include in the swap to acquire Granderson.The Cubs are on...

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joeydafish said:

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That's fine with me if Hendry does not want to include Castro in any deal for Granderson, but we better see Castro in Wrigley field sometime in 2010 along with one or two more prospects. Let's get this "player development" show on the road so we can dump some more middling veterans (Fontenot, Hill, Baker...and yes possibly Theriot) so we can cut back on payroll and spend what is saved more wisely on positions that the farm system does not seem to be producing like front line pitchers and closers (Marmol is still open to debate). Hopefully this is Hendry's make or break season and he takes advantage of his final opportunity?

cc002600 said:

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Mike Cameron ?
Another guy with low BA/OBP and strikes out 150-160 time a year.
Thank goodness we don't have enough of those guys already.

Oh, goodie.

It's the same old garbage - Burnitz, Jacque Jones, Cliff Floyd, Bradley, Etc. (and these are just the outfielders) :-)

Cameron fits right in.
Let me make a crazy, bold prediction - Hendry sign this retread to 3 year deal, and then next offseason we will be desperate to dump his arse for the remaining 2 years. Sound familar ? (Miles, Bradley, Marquis, JJones, L Hawkins, Soriano, Fukudome)


What's the old expression ? The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over expecting different results.

clyder1 said:

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Now Curtis Granderson & Chone Figgins are both off the board as being signed or traded already, while idiot Hendry trys to clean up his prior blunders. Let's put 2010 on complete hold while Hendry tries to shovel his prior mess! RICKETTS, THIS IS NOT A GOOD START!!!
I can't wait another 101 years!

joeydafish said:

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Leave a comment...

joeydafish said:

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I did not say leave a comment, let me try again...HENDRY MUST GO.
There, better. Cameron? Just another player past his prime that can NOW play for the Cubs. For all we know Hendry may be working on
a trade of Milton Bradley for Milton Berle, doesn't matter to Hendry that Berle is dead, he'd be just another "stiff" in the outfield. Not that Cameron wouldn't be an improvement over last years centerfield merry-go-round but he certainly wouldn't be a big enough improvement to warrant throwing big bucks at him and keep another kid from the big leagues. Hendry has really created
a positon of leverage...for other GM's. And we have 2 or 3 more years of Hendry's contract? Now THAT'S the contract I hope gets eaten just to get rid of him.

cc002600 said:

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Not getting Granderson or Figgns doesn't bother me at all. Neither are worth the prospects and/or money it would have cost. Granderson is a platoon player and Figgins is defintely NOT worth 9M/yr for 4 years.

joeydafish said:

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Right you are cc002600, unfortunatley you're not the Cubs GM. The Cubs may have had the worst outfield in the Central division last year and it doesn't appear to be improving.

*dan bradley said:

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I'm gonna name my first born Kenny Lofton. Son or daughter.

George Bliss said:

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David Kaplan does it again with an impressive interview with Mr. Verdi. That was good listening my friend. I think Mr. Verdi was just as shocked as any writer out there. This is a lifetime story and David gets the very very best Guests.

PK88 said:

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Kap,

Give up the Halladay pipe dream. He has 10-5 rights, doesn't matter what the Cubs would offer the Jays because Halladay would have to accept a trade to the Cubs. That isn't going to happen.

joeydafish said:

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I agree. Really, what front line starting ace would want to play for the Cubs when the outfield is un-determined and shaky at bes, The closer is debatable, second base is open for tryouts, and the catcher doesn't have a grasp on his career?

IrishYeti said:

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Glad to see the retards are still posting comments around here. Mike Cameron is just like Jacque? That statement alone just sums it up

joeydafish said:

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I think the point any "retard" you're referring to is that Cameron would just be another post-prime outfielder, which is not a retarded point at all, not that Cameron IS JUST LIKE JACQUE JONES, of course he's better than Jacque-strap Jones. Either way, it's clear that Hendry has done a sub-par job of landing quality outfielders that would take care of an outfield spot for at least a few years and I mean both by producing runs and defending the positon. Soriano certainly can't defend left properly and Fukodome although a very good rightfielder is a bust as a run producer, Bradley is a suspect defender more suited as a DH, Edmonds although acquired past his prime was ironically the closet Hendry has come to getting an all around outfeilder that contributed both offsensively and defensively. The Jim Hendry search for outfielders is an on-going process that happens every spring. If he wasn't saddle with his own mistake in Soriano's contract he'd be looking for a left fieleder AGAIN as well as a centerfielder AAGIN.

joeydafish said:

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Allright, allright...so I didn't check my spelling, I suppose that makes me just another retard?

IrishYeti said:

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"allright" is spelled with one "l"

IrishYeti said:

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But Mike Cameron does produce offensively and defensively.. He's not earth shattering offensively and those K numbers will make people get pissed, but his OBP is at or slightly above league average (which is impressive when your BA is around .250). His fielding, however, is outstanding. If you're at all interested, his UZR/150 (which is a pretty good fielding metric) was 4th in the entire MLB last season for CFers. That's pretty good for an old hack like him. His UZR/150 compared to all OFers, he was 14th. There are 30 teams with 3 OFers. So, that puts him above 76 other fielders. Still pretty good for a late 30s hack.

Let's go back to his offensive numbers. His lifetime OPS is .788. While that isn't remarkable, it's just above average. You don't get Mike Cameron because he's a great hitter. Don't make that mistake to think the Cubs are after that. They like his glove, which at his brittle old age, is still pretty good.

As far as Edmonds, when they acquired him in 2007, I wasn't happy about it. I was also a meathead and just figured he'd suck since I hated him as a Cardinal. Turns out, he was pretty good for the Cubs. Not outstanding, but I think they paid him 6 figures and he was worth a crapload more than that. His worth didn't stem from his fielding. His worth stemmed from the fact that he put up a .900+ OPS with the Cubs. His fielding was actually pretty bad. He was in the bottom half in the league in UZR/150. Now, I do recall hearing that the reason Edmonds made some of the ridiculous catches he made was because he would dog it as he chased the ball and be in the position to make those types of catches. It could also be that he didn't have too good of a range but he made those diving catches that were on highlight reels so "he must have been good".

Illini said:

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HUH?? Are you saying these two guys AREN'T similar? Let's take a look...
Career
Cameron - .250 AVG/.340 OBP/.448 SLG/.788 OPS
Jones - .277 AVG/.326 OBP/.448 SLG/.775 OPS

Comparative free agent seasons...
Cameron, 2009, age 36 - 149 G, 544 AB, 78 R, 136 H, 24 HR, 70 RBI, 156 K, .250/.342/.452/.795
Jones, 2005, age 30 - 142 G, 523 AB, 74 R, 130 H, 23 HR, 73 RBI, 120 K, .249/.319/.438/.757

Other than Cameron playing better defense, these two are almost the exact same player. Might as well bring Jones back...at least he's two years younger. Just because this is an anonymous blog, don't make off-base criticsms and use a word that was acceptable in 1970 to do it.

joeydafish said:

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Irishyeti makes some sense if he IS advocating the signing of Cameron, but I would only agree with that acquisiton if it's for one year, something I don't think Cameron would accept. You, Illini make some good comparisons and I commend you both for your dilligence
(God, I hope I spelled THAT right) and points well taken. With that said what are the chances we all agree that it's sad the Cubs are even in the position of STILL searching outfielders? Last year we had a bad outfielder in left returning this year, a good right fielder in centerfield returning this year to rightfield and complete headcase in rightfield that now MUST be traded for some other teams baggage. Can't really say that Hendry is earning is keep can we? Illini has at least pointed out that Jones and Cameron are at least in the same SPACIOUS ballpark.

cc002600 said:

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Mr. Retard, The cubs got Edmonds in the middle of 2008, not 2007. But what do I know ?

Signing Cameron would be just stupid. Do we really need another strikeout machine ? Its just another band-aid in a long line of them (Jones, Burnitz, Fuk, Bradley, Floyd).

And if the cubs are just "getting him for defense", how about this crazy thought ? You have maybe the best DEFENSIVE CF in the league already on your roster. (Fuld). If all you want is defense, why not just play him ? I would be more than happy to see that instead of Cameron.

IrishYeti said:

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You're going to bitch at me for saying 07 instead of 08?

SAMMY BALLGAME FULD is the best defensive CF in the game? Wow. Just WOW. There's no reasoning with you.

joeydafish said:

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I'm pretty sure he said MAYBE and in the the LEAGUE, not the GAME. And I think the point is better to have Fuld and his at least very good defense than have Cameron, his very good defense and another bad contract.
I can't blame him for assuming IF Hendry signs Cameron it will be for longer than one year and that's bad.

*IAN said:

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Yeti, why are you trying to bring common sense to a place that doesn't want to hear it?

Illini said:

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Sounds like we all agree the Cubs have issues. I don't think Cameron is the answer, especially for whatever money he'll command (and I think these types of things will continue unless baseball creates some sort of salary cap...seriously, Figgins at $9M per for four years??). I think the lineup still has way too many strikeout guys lingering to be able to add another one in Cameron.
And IAN, you're correct...no common sense here. It IS Kap's blog, of course. Did you expect otherwise? :)

cc002600 said:

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so you're telling me Fuld is not an excellent defensive CF' er ?
Maybe he's not the best, but he's certainly way above average, comparable to almighty 37 year old Mike Cameron (defensively).

And I just figured since everyone else is a retard, except you, (according to you) I just figured that you couldn't possibly make a mistake. But alas, there it was !!!


IrishYeti said:

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Would you accept UZR/150 numbers if I posted them? Or will you discredit them to "some obscure stat"?

*IAN said:

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Just so you know, cc002600, Mike Cameron IS a better defensive (and, obviously, offensive) CF than Sam Fuld. Fuld's only played very limited ball in two years and you think he's better than one of the top defensive CFs in the game today?

C'mon, man.

cc002600 said:

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Ian, You're missing the overall point.

I'm tired of the cubs signing aging journeyman outfielders, like a Cameron, for millions and millions. How's that been working for us ? Yes, Cameron is a very good defensive OF, but offensively, he's a strikeout machine, with low BA/OBP. He won't help that much.

So does it make sense to go out and spend $6-$8M on a guy like that, who is WELL past his prime ? How many times have we seen it ?

So my original point was that if we're interested in good defense in CF, which is fine, than why not just put Fuld out there for $500K ? It's the stupidiy of signing guys like Cameron that now has this team in the finanacial bind that we're in. Just look at how many bad contracts we have that Hendry would give ANYTHING to get rid of. (soriano, Bradley, Fuk, etc)...and we were lucky enough to find a sucker to take Miles, albeit at the cost of Jake Fox. Come on. How many times do we have to keep banging our head against the wall before we figure out this is not a good idea ?

And please don't tell me there is a HUGE difference between Cameron and Fuld, defensively. They are both very good. Fuld has no track record in the majors, so there are no stats to compare, but please, you don't need stats to see this guy can go get the ball in the OF.

joeydafish said:

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CC002600, hard to argue with you, and I won't because I couldn't agree more. We're talking Mike Cameron for crying out loud, although an improvement over last years "situation" he is far from the do all end all solution. Isn't anybody out ther just sick and tired of the same old broken record Hendry plays year after year in his hell-bent pursuit of the ultimate outfield solution? It's about time he puts up or shuts up and show us the result of his own ballyhooed farm system. Play Fuld, save some money and keep it on hand for a possible deal at the deadline. But Hendry has to go for the "Star" quality player of the day, whoever it may be....at the onset of the season without giving somebody like Fuld half a chance to prove himself. It would make more sense, especially in 2010 with play-off expectations somewhat diminished because of 2009 "meltdown" Hendry created to let a kid or two show what he has and then see how far in the race we are at the trading deadline to make pick up a player that you can't even anticipate needing at the beginning of the year. Besides with Soriano in left wer're better off emphasizing defense in center and sacrificing some power numbers. It's not Fuld's (or us fan's) fault Hendry dropped the ball with Fukodome and his dissapointing production, now he feels pressured into making up run production from the centerfield position? What a mess.

cc002600 said:

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Joey,
I could not agree more.

I find it interesting how everyone just assumes a guy like Fuld or Fox will never be anything but a bench player, and yet, they are never afforded the opportunity to show what they can do on a regular basis, and possibly develop into a decent player. How do you know if you never give them the chance ?

Look at Theriot. He was nothing special in the minors, but for whatever reason, Piniella decided to give him a chance, and now's he developed into a pretty good player. Look at Randy Wells, same thing. It happens.

So instead of giving someone a real chance, Hendry always wants to bring in the "proven" commodity, in his mind, even though almost every time he does that, we're ready to run that guy out of town 2 months into the season, because we all know he's terrible.

You know, there's a reason this franchise hasn't won in a 100 years. It's the same old, same old.

Kap, do you like Cameron ?

joeydafish said:

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cc002600, not sure if everyone, but Hendry sure seems to dismiss the minor leaguers out of hand unless they too like some of the free agents he has signed are of the much heralded "can't miss" variety (Patterson, Patterson, Prior) while the likes of the Theriots are left to advancement by default because Hendry was unable to acquire a Tejada-like shortstop. I wonder if Mark Grace although no Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Mark Texiara still a very good, worthwhile, productive first baseman would have gotten a chance if Hendry was the GM at the time because Grace wasn't a hi draft pick or considered "5 tool" like Patterson. I will however give Hendry some credit for going with Soto at catcher in 2007 (end of the season) and 2008, that seemed to be one of Hendry better, logical and more "GM-like" decisions. I can't blame him for Soto's dissapointing year (or work ethics???). Other than Soto I don't see much opportunity given to young position players. If it wasn't for Pinella wanting to go with Theriot at short Hendry probably would have re-acquired Baker's lap dog Niefe Perez!!!

joeydafish said:

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I'm not saying I think DRAFTING Prior was a mistake, just that it takes THAT kind of young player to move up the ranks while players of lesser but good enough talent languish even though there are obvious spots open on the big league club for them to at least prove themselves...or not. The formula that Hendry and even most of his predecessors employ doesn't seem to be working. Dallas Green came pretty close but doesn't seem to get nearly as much credit for his "success" as Hendry does. And Green is the one that acquired a Hall Of Fameer in Sandberg!

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