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No Chance the Cubs Spend the Spring in Florida

There are reports surfacing tonight that the Cubs have spoken with the city of Naples, FL about a possible move there as a new spring training home. Yes, the Cubs have met with Naples officials and they have toured the city as they consider all of their options for spring training.

However, there is virtually no chance that the Cubs will leave Arizona and the Cactus League for Florida and the Grapefruit League. The travel in Florida is much tougher with some of the cities much farther apart than the large group of teams that calls the Phoenix area home.

This is called negotiating folks, and as the Cubs look around it drives up the offers from the city of Mesa. And it will, in the end, make the deal that the Cubs agree to that much more lucrative. Look for the Cubs to develop a sort of "Disneyland" for spring training baseball in Arizona, with a hotel and restaurant complex located near the playing field and workout facilities at which the team will train.

When it is all finished, it will be a cash cow for the Cubs, who remain the #1 drawing team in the Cactus League. The new stadium will be larger than Ho Ho Kam, and it will be loaded with amenities that the Cubs currently don't have.

Yes, Naples would love to have the Cubs, but I just don't see it happening no matter what they offer. The Cubs and Arizona are a good match, and when Mesa finishes their proposal I see the Cubs staying right there.

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backslap said:

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Kap: Don't say no chance because there is one huge thing Florida has in its favor that Arizona does not and that is no state income tax. That means big $$$ and in essence thats what talks. Also although I love going to Arizona for spring training Florida makes more sense for the Cubs in allot of ways....Eastern time zone, much shorter flight to Chicago, spring weather that is more like Chicago summers (the knock on Arizona's dry climate is always brought up by baseball experts)and the Cubs have won nothing since training in Arizona so I say its time to start some new karma and try something different. Finally it would be a much more fun setting with the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals and the beach to look forward to every summer

ozzzie19 said:

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Yeah and Florida has one other thing Arizona doesn't have...rain. And lots of it. In the past few years you've seen quite a few teams migrate to the cactus from the grapefruit (Dodgers, Indians, Reds).

backslap said:

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The Dodgers, Indians, and Reds did not leave because of the rain in Florida. They left because they got a sweet deal in Arizona. If a Florida town blows the Cubs away with an offer its goodbye Cactus hello Grapefruit

KapStoney said:

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I agree will all but one aspect of your post. I think Mesa will lose the Cub to the Indian tribe on the 101 in Scottsdale. They're building a huge resort complex to go with their casino. Yes Kap the Disneyland of Cactus baseball with money to be had by all. Cubs stay in AZ

joeydafish said:

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This has to be the BURNING issue on all us Cubs fans minds...oh my God where is our multi-billion dollar beloved Cubs going to train all the Jim Hendry flunkies? Arizona or Florida? Cue the dramatic music and stay tuned for more episodes of "As The Cubs GM Turns Our Stomach". Today's episode brought to you by Soriano's 8 year contract and Bradley's FREE money. Next week's episode: Will Jaramillo reunite with his long last love Milton? Or will Hendry trade Milton to Baltimore for Rich Hill....?

*dan bradley said:

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Haha... Rich Hill.

TOM COTNER said:

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HAVING LIVED IN NAPLES, for 6+ years, and knowing that the population is already tripled in the winter from the summer due to the SNOWBIRDS from the north and CANADA, I can only imagine how much of a traffic jam would be created there if the CUBBIES came to town ??? Typically, an 11 mile drive from home to the work station took an hour in the winter, but with the CUBS there, I can't even fathom !!!

David Kaplan said:

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I still say no chance the Cubs move to Florida. The travel is much tougher than it is in Arizona and the Cubs have a huge following that might not make the trip to Naples with the regularity that they do in Mesa.

backslap said:

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The travel is not as bad as it once was in Florida considering 9 teams play within 1 1/2 hours of each other on the Gulf side of Florida (the Reds, Indians, Dodgers all trained on the other side of the state). Also its a slam dunk the Cubs fans would travel to Florida no question, they would travel to Catalina Island if the trained there like they once did. Also do not forget the Ricketts family owns homes in Florida.

azcubbie said:

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backslap, say what you want about the travel- it still is night and day compared to Arizona. What's worse is the weather and it is questionable whether the Cubs would travel as they do to Arizona.

The Cubs are #1 in Arizona for a reason. It would be sad to see them be 2nd (after Yankees), 3rd(Red Sox) or 4th(Phillies) fiddle in Florida which they surely would be.

They currently sell out every game and boost the attendance of every opponent they have. They would never experience the same in Florida because of how spread out the League is.

agent222 said:

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Florida's deal may be attractive because of the no tax situation, BUT that deal would have to be SO many times better than anything Mesa, or, Gila River, could come up with, for the Cubs to move. The Cubs are one of the founders of the Cactus League, there are more teams for them to play exhibitions against that are closer in training base distance than in Florida, and, for the most part the weather is usually better. Less rain, more training, more.exhibitions. But it will all come down to money. However I still think Arizona will win, though Mesa may lose.

joeydafish said:

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What's paramount is the Cubs get to the World Series and the spring training location is only going to alter the profit/loss of the organiztion and that will be the deciding factor, money. Knowing how the Cubs allow Hendry to spend money foolishly it matters little to me and I would hope most Cubs fans where they train since MOST of us do not have the luxory of visiting the spring sites very often if at all and Hendry will continue to spend foolishly whether the profit be greater or smaller because of the spring training decision. Just another "non-story", similar to the hitting coach "non story". Neither the hitting coach nor the spring training site will get the Cubs any closer to a World Series title more than would an EXCELLENT general manager that had a solid, well laid out PLAN to getting to the World Series. Coming out of AZ or FL come March it's gonna be Hendry's boys on the field...again. It would be nice if the organization just "ate" the money owed Hendry as they did with plenty of players.

JobbaJibba said:

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Uhm.....who cares?

David Kaplan said:

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Jobba, considering how much cash is at stake it is a story. However, making a few moves to turn the team around is way bigger. How long til Milton is gone? By Thanksgiving? By X-Mas? Could it drag on as long as the Sosa fiasco did back in 2005 when it took until late January? Thoughts?

JobbaJibba said:

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My comment wasn't poking fun at your entry, it's more as to the fact that this shouldn't be much of a headline in general. I don't rip on everything you say...just the stuff like "The Cubs made a mistake by trading Jason Marquis"

joeydafish said:

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Cash makes it a story? I guess, more so to the local communities and regionS of AZ and Fl than to us Cubs fan base, no? I have to side more with JobbaJibba, I at least certainly care the least about the spring training move "threat" to AZ (like the Cubs will really move to FL...NO WAY)than the real issues plaguing this team like mediocrity and UNDERACHEIVING, UNDERPERFORMING, OVERPAID, CONTRACT SAFE players AND GM. Jaramillo got some press, spring training gets some press...yada, yada, yada, YAWN. We are in for a looooong offseason my friends. Come to think of it, Bradley for Rich Hill is sounding better and better every day...at least it would be....a story, after all there would be cash involved.

backslap said:

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Since I am bored today here ya go...
Average weather in March:
Naples, FL average high 84 low 57 rainfall for month 2.3 inches
Mesa, AZ average high 74 low 56 rainfall for month 1.2 inches
I still say it comes down to money and the weather, travel, etc are just bit pieces in this, so do not say no chance if the Florida offer blows them away

azcubbie said:

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Cash is king and the Rickett's just paid almost a billion dollars. There is no question they would make the most money in Mesa. Florida is a few businessmen looking to make a buck too.
If the organization has more money and better training facilities, they can compete better...that is if they pay the right guys, the right amount of money.

joeydafish said:

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If they had more money they would compete better?
I would have to say Hendry had more than enough money to have a more competative team than what has shown up latley.
Hendry could have another 50 million and I wouldn't lay odds of him achieving a more competative team. That's were I agee with you but only on paying the RIGHT people, and as of yet they do not have the right GM.

azcubbie said:

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Agreed on that point. I don't know the Ricketts or their need to get a quick return on their investment but I'd rather them worry a little less about a payroll or hinder a new GW if and when one comes in.

joeydafish said:

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GW? General Waster? That is Hendry. I do know what you mean.
Can you imagine IF a new GM is brought in how he/she would feel
about the bad contracts and the wasted payroll money left by Hendry? I'm tired of listening to General Managers, Managers and yes even sports writers/talk show hosts spewing how the players need to perform and be accountable...I'm looking for the GM to perform and be accountable as well and it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon for Hendry....Bradley??? EIGHT years for Soriano??? C'mon, if tha doesn't have "accountability" written all over it I don't know what would.

Steve Dale said:

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Hey Kap - enjoying your blog posts. Want to see more on the Blackhawks, myself....
But who is Ho Ho Kam anyway? Was the park named after a clown, a dessert, what??

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