Latest info I got is that Brendan Haywood has been informed that he could be going to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas and James Johnson.This comes from a player my guy represents here in Europe and is close to Brendan.
Bulls targetting Brendan Haywood for Tyrus/Johnson?
Per a realgm user who's posted reliable information in the past:
Well Haywood is definitely the best player in this deal if it's true. This deal also begs for a followup deal involving Brad Miller. If you are left with a front court of Miller, Noah, and Haywood you basically have three centers and the only legit PF on the roster is Gibson.
It would certainly improve the team though as Haywood would give us more toughness and rebounding than we presently have and Tyrus / Johnson isn't doing much for us anyway.
The downside of course is that James Johnson is the only piece in the trade who's got some potential value next season as it's highly unlikely Haywood or Tyrus would return in a year. On the upside, clearing out Johnson's salary would save us over 1 million in cap room next season, and maybe that becomes fairly important when negotiating with a FA.
Of course, counter to that, if there is a sign and trade, a cheap rookie contract potential guy like Johnson might be at least somewhat desirable while not a lot else on the roster has any value whatsoever that teams doing a S&T would look for.
Overall, I think I like it. I loved Johnson's talent level coming out of college, but he hasn't been able to get into NBA condition. There were red flags about his conditioning pre-draft when he measured in as one of the highest percentage of body fat guys at the combine while he should have been under going the hardest training of his life.
While I still think Johnson has potential to become a quite good player in the league his work ethic screams that he won't reach his ceiling, so I'm okay letting him go even for cap room + some improvement this season.
It seems like a feasible deal for the Wizards as well. They get the only long term asset and get a chance to see if they like anything they see in Tyrus over the longhaul.
46 Comments
MrHappy said:
So, I'm not the only one thinking about Brendan Haywood on the Bulls then?
What do you know?
If I were Paxson, I would still go after Nick Young too. The Bulls could always do a draft day trade to clear cap space or a sign-and-trade in the summer to land a top star.
The FOCUS should be on the 5th Seed this season and nothing else.
To Bulls: Brendan Haywood, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire
To Wizards: Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson and Jannero Pargo
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yhk296v
* That's my personal favorite Bulls/Wizards trade idea.
Doug Thonus said:
Well if you take the original deal and give us Young for Pargo it's even better, but I doubt that happens.
WearShades said:
That was my thought as well. I don't know if the Wizards would even do the deal suggested in the article, but they certainly wouldn't add more to the deal for the Bulls. Too many times in fan trades the fan in question just doesn't consider what the other team would really think about the deal. This is a prime example.
Bigway said:
My biggest question mark with regard to this trade is why are the Wizards so determined to get rid of Haywood, since his contract expires after this season, and they have no other legitimate centers, at least proven healthy ones.
Really, this trade makes no sense for them, basketball wise or money wise.
Doug Thonus said:
It makes sense for them if they think James Johnson is a viable prospect. They get a viable prospect on a cheap deal for three years for a guy who's walking away in a few months while they're playing a dead season with no hope of the playoffs.
MrHappy said:
Since we are talking trade. Here's a different Marcus Camby trade idea.
To Bulls: Marcus Camby, Al Thornton and Mardy Collins
To Clippers: Tyrus Thomas, James Johnson and John Salmons
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf4puo6
I could live with that trade.
Doug Thonus said:
I could live with that too, though I'm surprised you'd want Al Thornton given your hatred of the Bulls getting more SFs.
sillyrussian said:
Just because its that time of year.
And because it would be the biggest trade in history.... but in all seriousness who would say no to this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykh2c9c
WearShades said:
The Bulls. I completely understand getting the mediocre to bad contracts off the books, but that's way too much for what amounts to Kevin Martin and cap space.
sillyrussian said:
Just because its that time of year.
And because it would be the biggest trade in history.... but in all seriousness who would say no to this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ykh2c9c
drob said:
Noah can play the 4 slot particularly if there is another post presence....I am a little wary of giving up on JJ so fast but if it gets a brute for the paint and considering how he is a tweener I guess I'd bite...Tyrus needs to go asap. Might even send him home if he cannot be traded this year...too clueless for too long. a hopeless case.
Doug Thonus said:
I think he'd play the 4 better with a jump shooting 5 than a post presence.
Bigway said:
At this point Tyrus for Haywood is a steal for us and a no brainer no matter what happens in the off season. Haywood is a keeper long term if he can be signed after the major free agents. He basically takes Millers slot.
Noah can play limited minutes as the backup 4 when Haywood plays 5, especially against second units.
It clearly makes our rebounding and interior defense better. I cannot be any worse than the production that we have been getting at the 4, especially off the bench.
Doug Thonus said:
At Haywood's age, it's unlikely he's a long term anything for the Bulls, and it's also unlikely the Bulls are the top bidder after dealing with other FAs.
ManOnNeptune said:
Id rather go after Marcus Camby. This way we trade tyrus to the other conference so we only see him twice a year.....
But i don't wanna give up on JJ yet.
Doug Thonus said:
How often we see Tyrus isn't really a matter of concern for me. Are you really worried that Tyrus kills you if you see him four times a year.
Alex said:
Does the trainee Paxson have a plan for the future? Is No-Shot Noah so badly hurt that the Paxson has to get a replacement for him. Why would they get rid of a 1st round rookie so quickly? Maybe Johnson is lazy like Noah?
There is something really wrong with these Bulls. Dumping Tyrus is understandable because Vinnie can't handle him and it appears that he can't get a 1st round rookie into shape either.
Sadly Noah has never been in shape long enough to play a hole season! Is No-Shot Noah fragile like Deng, big people with foot ailments is quite common! Is Noah done for the year or is he hurt and too tired to play a whole year for the first time for Paxson and his Laff-A-Bulls?
Bigway said:
Maybe Alex is lazy like Mr Happy, that is why the both simply post the exact same thing everytime.
Justin said:
I've been seeing this comment lately about Noah being lazy or having a loser's attitude.. and maybe I'm missing something, but I just strongly disagree with that sentiment. If anything, he's the most passionate and energetic player on the roster, and I've seen his work ethic help him turn into a top 10 center in the league in a fairly short amount of time.. so please, explain to me where this notion is coming from?
If we get Haywood, I don't know how he fits next to Joakim. Neither of those guys are backup centers. They will both want significant minutes. If anything, this trade is strictly made to clear up more cap space. And no, I don't see those two playing alongside each other much. Miller works fairly well with Noah because he can step out and hit the three, and he's an excellent passer. Haywood, however.. cannot.
Doug Thonus said:
I don't see them working that well together either. I guess you could use a big lineup occasionally and make it work, but it's tough to play two big men with no range though I suppose that's not too different from Tyrus/Noah since you don't want Tyrus shooting the jumper.
WearShades said:
It's really just one or two guys who seem to think Noah is lazy. Ignore them.
Doug Thonus said:
It's only one guy I can think of.
Alex said:
Hey WearShades
In the 2 1/2 seasons that No-Shot Noah has been with the Bulls, he has played less 3/4 of a season! In the first 2 years, he was not "in NBA shape" until the last 1/4 of the second year. Lazy = Noah!
This year No-Shot Noah came to camp in shape for the "first time" but he is still a weakling because strong athletic forwards and centers push him around as if this Florida Fairy was on roller skates!
The fact are easy to see if you look, try focusing on Noah under the rim and you will see that he is still a weakling!
Will Noah get stronger and better? Hopefully? Will he put in the hard work to get stronger? Maybe? It took him almost 2 years to get in running shape.
Noah is a role player and he is far from being an All-Star. Let's hope he continues to work out and that the Bulls get a real post up forward and/or center that has real offensive skills!
Is Noah fragile like Deng, if he is Pax will give him a long expensive contract!
Sports2 said:
I don't see why this begs for a follow up trade of Miller. What it tells me if it goes down is maybe the Bulls are worried Noah is out for a while.
Doug Thonus said:
I suppose that's another way to look at it.
JimmyBulls said:
I think the deal is very interesting from the Bulls perspective. They would get a space eating defensive presence that Noah is just not strong enough to be at this point in his career. I don't care too much about the players that would be going to Washington. Tyrus is a dumb basketball player, and JJ will not be able to play is normal position here, making him a wasted prospect on this Bulls roster. There is no downside for the Bulls, but I don't know why the Wizards would even entertain this trade. They would almost certainly have to pull another trade to make their roster make sense.
A deal that would send JJ and Tyrus to the Wizards for Haywood and McGuire works for me.
Doug Thonus said:
The Wizards roster doesn't need to make sense this year, they aren't going to make the playoffs, they're having tons of internal turmoil. Getting a prospect for a guy who's gone next season makes sense for them.
Newskoolbulls said:
I really think he is going to end up in Portland if they agree to take back a bad contract like Stevetson or James.
Dpauley23 said:
Portlands only offering Martell Webster who has contract around 3 years 12 million if I'm not mistaken. Tyrus+JJ is the better offer
Doug Thonus said:
Guess it depends on what you think of Webster on a 4 million per year deal.
borg said:
It probably should be noted that Haywood and Thomas average the same amount of rebounds per minute for their careers. Even this year, Haywood is averaging just 1 more board per minute than Tyrus. Thomas' blocks per minute rate is the better of the two as well.
Perhaps Thomas can no longer co-exist with Vinny but I think those who believe Haywood is some significant upgrade are mistaken. Then again, maybe he'll be one of Vinny's veteran pets and get PT.
Bigway said:
Just another reason why stats/minute are useless/meaningless, especially career ones.
Haywood is the vastly superior perfomer, and a legitmate 7 foot center, something we need badly, despite how much I love Noahs game.
turdburglar said:
Man, Doug- seems your JJ mancrush is fading FAAAST.
Doug Thonus said:
I liked Johnson's skills a lot coming into the league, but he hasn't put in the work. There's no reason to be blind to that fact just because I think he has a lot of talent.
If he can't work hard enough to get in shape then he can't stay, it's that simple.
Alex said:
Tell us Doug,
Why isn't Johnson in NBA shape? Is he following in No-Shot Noah foot steps? Will it take Johnson 2 more years like Noah to get into NBA shape.
Don't you think that Pax, Vinnie, assistant coaches & trainers would push the rookie to work hard???????
Bigway said:
Unless, we make a trade for Lebron, Wade or Bosh at the deadline I don't see Miller going anywhere, we need his cap space relief.
I suppose if he is part of a bigger deal that brings back an even bigger expiring contract it might make some sense, McGrady, Allen, e.t.c.
Doug Thonus said:
I think if Miller goes it will be part of a deal to get a larger expiring as you mention.
Manny said:
Ok Tyrus is a butt head. If your going to trade him I can see why. But to trade James Johnson.. You have to be kidding. Tyrus may be a star just not in Chicago. But I believe James Johnson will be a star and he is not a butt head.. So why give up both for Brendan Haywood... come on. Trade Tyrus for Haywood straight up. Haywood is not a star and he won't be. If we trade James Johnson, I'm calling it now Chicago will regret it....Don't do it.
Doug Thonus said:
Johnson needs to commit himself to the game to become a quality player. He's only been in the league for half a year, so that could happen, but I can understand why the Bulls are willing to part with him.
adkhaz said:
Albiet the current outburst from Tyrus, he remains one of my favorite players to watch on the Bulls. He brings energy and toughness that the Bulls soarly need. He will blossom, given consistent minutes. This is just a side show to say so later when he does become a star, we can say, "Tyrus was head case so we had to trade him"...sad to c.
Doug Thonus said:
Tyrus is a head case. He might turn it around, but the stories about him being a dick aren't fabricated.
avtar said:
imagine if we had chosen tyreke evans and gibson with our picks in stead of JJ and gibson. hindsight is always 20/20.
Doug Thonus said:
Tyreke Evans was drafted #4. We took Johnson at #16.
CN71 said:
Has Alex watched a Bulls game since '07?
grish said:
Why would the Wiz do this when they have Andray Blatche? Blatche and TT are very similar minus the jumpers.
csharp3410 said:
Imagine if we picked Blair and Gibson...we would have a great rookie duo. Probably dont need both of them but its never a bad thing to grab some trade pieces.
If this Haywood trade goes down....I would love to see the Bulls follow it up with a Miller + Hinrich for Ray Allen and his expiring contract. We would still be good enough to make it to the playoffs and make a push and then in the summer we will have even more money.
Rose,Pargo
Ray Allen,Devin Brown
Deng,Salmons
Taj,Richard
Noah,Haywood
We would have about 25+ mil in cap space if Salmons ends up leaving.
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